Elikal, you are just in boob denial. Rather than fear the boobs you should submit like the rest of the male population. Now go get your loin cloth and do your chores!
I know you mean it in the fun way. But the reality is grim and often not funny at all.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
We already know we are the far superior gender. We can make men do as we please by just revealing parts of our skin. You are all doomed to be ruled by boobs FOREVER!! Mwahahah!!
Tell that the many raped women who "ruled men" with their naked skin.
Excuse me? Tell that to who? Myself? When I was raped as a child, I was fully clothed thank you. Whether or not we show our skin has nothing to do with a creaton raping a woman. For that to be used as a justification of rape, is excusing the perp not endorsing self control.
We already know we are the far superior gender. We can make men do as we please by just revealing parts of our skin. You are all doomed to be ruled by boobs FOREVER!! Mwahahah!!
Tell that the many raped women who "ruled men" with their naked skin.
Excuse me? Tell that to who? Myself? When I was raped as a child, I was fully clothed thank you. Whether or not we show our skin has nothing to do with a creaton raping a woman. For that to be used as a justification of rape, is excusing the perp not endorsing self control.
Yeah, he has managed to blame women for being raped.
We already know we are the far superior gender. We can make men do as we please by just revealing parts of our skin. You are all doomed to be ruled by boobs FOREVER!! Mwahahah!!
Tell that the many raped women who "ruled men" with their naked skin.
Excuse me? Tell that to who? Myself? When I was raped as a child, I was fully clothed thank you. Whether or not we show our skin has nothing to do with a creaton raping a woman. For that to be used as a justification of rape, is excusing the perp not endorsing self control.
I never said that.
But even so you should be aware of a society which treats women like objects. Running around in scantly dressed costumes just reinforces men to give into their stone age cavemen doings. People should not toy with sexuality. It creates an atmosphere were bad things can be at the end.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Excuse me? Tell that to who? Myself? When I was raped as a child, I was fully clothed thank you. Whether or not we show our skin has nothing to do with a creaton raping a woman. For that to be used as a justification of rape, is excusing the perp not endorsing self control.
I never said that.
But even so you should be aware of a society which treats women like objects. Running around in scantly dressed costumes just reinforces men to give into their stone age cavemen doings. People should not toy with sexuality. It creates an atmosphere were bad things can be at the end.
Oh, sweet Jesus.
"Did you she what she was wearing? She was asking for it!"
So as long as i keep the wife in my house and covered in public i can beat her and be a gentleman? Common for most of the era of gentleman.
Or is it that women are free to do what they want and you as a male telling women how they should behave and what they should be willing to wear isn't sexist?
Sorry but you are presenting yourself to not only as a sexist but as presumptuous. By stating you know how others should present themselves better than they do, you assume superior value than that person.
Now if there was a obscenity issue, the legal system would address it and you might be right; however, there is not.
Maybe you should step off that high horse and look into why you think you know what is best for others. Dictating to women how they should appear is gentleman like? Sounds more like sexism to me.
"I feel it is up to a gentleman to come and speak up." That is sexist. I am happy you speak for the females of the world. "This is so primitive of you guys." was there a mirror in front of you while you typed this?
"What would your mother say if she found you guys sinking so low as to cheer and gaze at women dressed in underwear in public" . Good point because mothers are always right, Right? Oh what would my great grandmother say about black people (US)? Because you know she always right when it comes to judging peoples, cultures, and values.
Didn't you know that in many cultures the face/eyes/arms are "over-sexualized material" and are not to be shown. I mean get off yourself. Should we use that cultural measure? Or is your's somehow superior?
"... we all have our desires. But dragging it into the public..." Shit ladies you here that? Sorry no more short or sleeveless tops, i don't even want to see the outline of your legs, if the mass of your breast is perceivable, or if i can find anything about your body that i find attractive your gonna have to hide it because you just can't be "dragging it into the public".
Its always the same, x group/person thinks they know better. Listen unless you are stealing from someone or directly hurting them, shove off. You have no place in tell others what is right and wrong, unless they ask, are hurting someone, or you personally know them. Stop trying to protect people from themselves, as if you know better.
Oh ps women could walk around naked and it wouldn't hurt anything, the concept of covering oneself to HIDE their body is "so primitive of you guys." This usage of clothing, is a throw back to lawless days where women had limited rights and rape was not as much rape as taking yourself a new wife, or just having fun. Where people didn't protect other people because they were human, you needed a tribe or family and often both for protection. Of course the real usage of clothing started with I am cold.
What we see now is, women no longer have to live in fear (sure there are bad people out there, but they don't care if you have cloths on or not) and, at least in the US, a world where men no longer need to make arbitrary rules to control the lives and behaviors of females, for their own good; because they are fully capable of doing so without YOUR [males] help.
Also what is a "kid", how old are they, what should they be doing or not doing?
Well for one they are having sex at 14-18 years of age. It makes sense they are suppose to be having sex then. Historically, biologically, etc. So it goes to show these poor things [kids] are hardwired to engage in sexual acts are interested in sexual acts. Its just so funny how that works, i mean "Why do games, which are also for children, have to show such over-sexualized material?" Who would have thunk it, maybe because many of them are sexual beings. Oh and, "Do we have no sense for the protection of kids" Protect children from who, oh that is right, themselves . . . . this seems to be a common theme with you.
You can help guide "Kids" to be responsible and caring humans, to make good choices, but protecting them from the REALITIES of the world, seems more like misleading them than protecting them. Furthermore, who are you to tell others how to acculturate their children?
The words elitist and presumptuous comes to mind, no offense they are used a buzz words. But they actually mean something.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Excuse me? Tell that to who? Myself? When I was raped as a child, I was fully clothed thank you. Whether or not we show our skin has nothing to do with a creaton raping a woman. For that to be used as a justification of rape, is excusing the perp not endorsing self control.
I never said that.
But even so you should be aware of a society which treats women like objects. Running around in scantly dressed costumes just reinforces men to give into their stone age cavemen doings. People should not toy with sexuality. It creates an atmosphere were bad things can be at the end.
Oh, sweet Jesus.
"Did you she what she was wearing? She was asking for it!"
You twist around what I say to suit your purpose. I did not say that, so stop putting it in my mouth.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Excuse me? Tell that to who? Myself? When I was raped as a child, I was fully clothed thank you. Whether or not we show our skin has nothing to do with a creaton raping a woman. For that to be used as a justification of rape, is excusing the perp not endorsing self control.
I never said that.
But even so you should be aware of a society which treats women like objects. Running around in scantly dressed costumes just reinforces men to give into their stone age cavemen doings. People should not toy with sexuality. It creates an atmosphere were bad things can be at the end.
Oh, sweet Jesus.
"Did you she what she was wearing? She was asking for it!"
You twist around what I say to suit your purpose. I did not say that, so stop putting it in my mouth.
No, you really are saying that. You are saying it is women's fault for being scantily clad that rapes happen.
We already know we are the far superior gender. We can make men do as we please by just revealing parts of our skin. You are all doomed to be ruled by boobs FOREVER!! Mwahahah!!
Tell that the many raped women who "ruled men" with their naked skin.
Excuse me? Tell that to who? Myself? When I was raped as a child, I was fully clothed thank you. Whether or not we show our skin has nothing to do with a creaton raping a woman. For that to be used as a justification of rape, is excusing the perp not endorsing self control.
I never said that.
But even so you should be aware of a society which treats women like objects. Running around in scantly dressed costumes just reinforces men to give into their stone age cavemen doings. People should not toy with sexuality. It creates an atmosphere were bad things can be at the end.
I don;t care if I run around naked, that gives no man the signal that a woman wants to be raped. That is ridiculous that you even attempt to use that as a justification for raping a woman. Men need to utilize self control. They are in control of their own actions, and responsible for their own actions. That is utter BULLSHIT that you would even attempt to say thatmen should not be able to control themselves in the presense of a naked woman. Do you even realize how ridiculous the premise that a woman is responsible for a mans actions by her attire even is?!
So as long as i keep the wife in my house and covered in public i can beat her and be a gentleman? Common for most of the era of gentleman.
Or is it that women are free to do what they want and you as a male telling women how they should behave and what they should be willing to wear isn't sexist?
Sorry but you are presenting yourself to not only as a sexist but as presumptuous. By stating you know how others should present themselves better than they do, you assume superior value than that person.
Now if there was a obscenity issue, the legal system would address it and you might be right; however, there is not.
Maybe you should step off that high horse and look into why you think you know what is best for others. Dictating to women how they should appear is gentleman like? Sounds more like sexism to me.
"I feel it is up to a gentleman to come and speak up." That is sexist. I happy you speak for the females of the world. "This is so primitive of you guys." was there a mirror in front of you while you typed this?
"What would your mother say if she found you guys sinking so low as to cheer and gaze at women dressed in underwear in public" . Good point because mothers are always right, Right? Oh what would my great grandmother say about black people (US)? Because you know she always right when it comes to judging peoples, cultures, and values.
Didn't you know that in many cultures the face/eyes/arms are "over-sexualized material" and are not to be shown. I mean get off yourself. Should we use that cultural measure? Or is your's somehow superior?
"... we all have our desires. But dragging it into the public..." Shit ladies you here that? Sorry no more short or sleeveless tops, i don't even want to see the outline of your legs, if the mass of your breast is perceivable, or if i can find anything about your body that i find attractive your gonna have to hide it because you just can't be "dragging it into the public".
Its always the same, x group/person thinks they know better. Listen unless you are stealing from someone or directly hurting them, shove off. You have no place in tell others what is right and wrong, unless they ask, are hurting someone, or you personally know them. Stop trying to protect people from themselves, as if you know better.
Oh ps women could walk around naked and it wouldn't hurt anything, the concept of covering oneself to HIDE their body is "so primitive of you guys." This usage of clothing, is a throw back to lawless days where women had limited rights and rape was not as much rape as taking yourself a new wife, or just having fun. Where people didn't protect other people because they were human, you needed a tribe or family and often both for protection. Of course the real usage of clothing started with I am cold.
What we see now is, women no longer have to live in fear (sure there are bad people out there, but they don't care if you have cloths on or not) and, at least in the US, a world where men no longer need to make arbitrary rules to control the lives and behaviors of females, for their own good; because they are fully capable of doing so without YOUR [males] help.
Also what is a "kid", how old are they, what should they be doing or not doing?
Well for one they are having sex at 14-18 years of age. It makes sense they are suppose to be having sex then. Historically, biologically, etc. So it goes to show these poor things [kids] are hardwired to engage in sexual acts are interested in sexual acts. Its just so funny how that works, i mean "Why do games, which are also for children, have to show such over-sexualized material?" Who would have thunk it, maybe because many of them are sexual beings. Oh and, "Do we have no sense for the protection of kids" Protect children from who, oh that is right, themselves . . . . this seems to be a common theme with you.
You can help guide "Kids" to be responsible and caring humans, to make good choices, but protecting them from the REALITIES of the world, seems more like misleading them than protecting them. Furthermore, who are you to tell others how to acculturate their children?
The words elitist and presumptuous comes to mind, no offense they are used a buzz words. But they actually mean something.
Thats absurd. How do you conclude because I don't want a sexualized public that I condone violence against women in private? Thats ridiculous and by the way extremely rude.
Your entire text is full of assumptions and accusations which hold zero ground, simply because it moves you out of your comfort zone and forces your to reflect. An expected reaction, and proof of the validity of this post.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
We already know we are the far superior gender. We can make men do as we please by just revealing parts of our skin. You are all doomed to be ruled by boobs FOREVER!! Mwahahah!!
Tell that the many raped women who "ruled men" with their naked skin.
Excuse me? Tell that to who? Myself? When I was raped as a child, I was fully clothed thank you. Whether or not we show our skin has nothing to do with a creaton raping a woman. For that to be used as a justification of rape, is excusing the perp not endorsing self control.
I never said that.
But even so you should be aware of a society which treats women like objects. Running around in scantly dressed costumes just reinforces men to give into their stone age cavemen doings. People should not toy with sexuality. It creates an atmosphere were bad things can be at the end.
I don;t care if I run around naked, that gives no man the signal that a woman wants to be raped. That is ridiculous that you even attempt to use that as a justification for raping a woman. Men need to utilize self control. They are in control of their own actions, and responsible for their own actions. That is utter BULLSHIT that you would even attempt to say thatmen should not be able to control themselves in the presense of a naked woman. Do you even realize how ridiculous the premise that a woman is responsible for a mans actions by her attire even is?!
Moral values are the same for men and women. I don't run around in underwear in the streets and I don't want anyone else to do that, male or female. Period. Anything else you read into my sayings is in YOUR mind, not mine.
People have to keep their naked flesh where others chose to see it, not where they are forced. Such an oversexed civilzation will just degenerate. That's my opinion, take it or leave it.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Thats absurd. How do you conclude because I don't want a sexualized public that I condone violence against women in private? Thats ridiculous and by the way extremely rude.
Your entire text is full of assumptions and accusations which hold zero ground, simply because it moves you out of your comfort zone and forces your to reflect. An expected reaction, and proof of the validity of this post.
I disagree. I think his post shows your bias well and clear. It just puts an exclamation point to it.
In many native tribes men, women, and children ran naked and free, as a content society without european stipulations that clothing was required to exercise self control. Some of these tribes still exist, and in modern society there are nude beaches, and nude communities where everywone runs around naked without the worry of what others may think.
Quit trying to force your religious values upon the general population. Not every religion existing today even has nudity as " shameful". By assuming that everyone believes the way you do, you are attempting to force your religious values upon the general population, who not all happens to agree with your assertation of nudity being a " bad" thing.
Thats absurd. How do you conclude because I don't want a sexualized public that I condone violence against women in private? Thats ridiculous and by the way extremely rude.
Your entire text is full of assumptions and accusations which hold zero ground, simply because it moves you out of your comfort zone and forces your to reflect. An expected reaction, and proof of the validity of this post.
I disagree. I think his post shows your bias well and clear. It just puts an exclamation point to it.
Ok. It just makes no sense for me to reply to someone who thinks I am a bad culprit. Thanks for the dabate.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I don;t care if I run around naked, that gives no man the signal that a woman wants to be raped. That is ridiculous that you even attempt to use that as a justification for raping a woman. Men need to utilize self control. They are in control of their own actions, and responsible for their own actions. That is utter BULLSHIT that you would even attempt to say thatmen should not be able to control themselves in the presense of a naked woman. Do you even realize how ridiculous the premise that a woman is responsible for a mans actions by her attire even is?!
Moral values are the same for men and women. I don't run around in underwear in the streets and I don't want anyone else to do that, male or female. Period. Anything else you read into my sayings is in YOUR mind, not mine.
People have to keep their naked flesh where others chose to see it, not where they are forced. Such an oversexed civilzation will just degenerate. That's my opinion, take it or leave it.
Yet, men walk around with their shirt off all the time. Is civilization degenerating because men don't wear shirts sometimes? Or do you accept the double standard as normal?
We already know we are the far superior gender. We can make men do as we please by just revealing parts of our skin. You are all doomed to be ruled by boobs FOREVER!! Mwahahah!!
Tell that the many raped women who "ruled men" with their naked skin.
Excuse me? Tell that to who? Myself? When I was raped as a child, I was fully clothed thank you. Whether or not we show our skin has nothing to do with a creaton raping a woman. For that to be used as a justification of rape, is excusing the perp not endorsing self control.
I never said that.
But even so you should be aware of a society which treats women like objects. Running around in scantly dressed costumes just reinforces men to give into their stone age cavemen doings. People should not toy with sexuality. It creates an atmosphere were bad things can be at the end.
I don;t care if I run around naked, that gives no man the signal that a woman wants to be raped. That is ridiculous that you even attempt to use that as a justification for raping a woman. Men need to utilize self control. They are in control of their own actions, and responsible for their own actions. That is utter BULLSHIT that you would even attempt to say thatmen should not be able to control themselves in the presense of a naked woman. Do you even realize how ridiculous the premise that a woman is responsible for a mans actions by her attire even is?!
Devil read my post in this tread and tell me what you think, i spent some time on the concepts.
But your 100% right here, why would you even relate rape with clothing? Its so illogical.
Some people just don't understand the natural value that all humans have and what it is to be prejudice agianst another group/people/culture.
(facitious IN BAD TASTE comment FOLLOWING)
I know if a women was ever naked in front of me, like in a store. I would have to unzip my pants right there and go for it, because i lack the ability to be responcible and control my actions being a male.
(End)
But no really the argument that it is her fault, is so sexist and old it honestly is more upsetting then if those underwear clad blizzcon ladies were humping poles and whatever they saw. AT least that would be their choice and not used as a justification of rape/abuse/ or bad behavior.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
In many native tribes men, women, and children ran naked and free, as a content society without european stipulations that clothing was required to exercise self control. Some of these triebs still exist, and in modern society there are nude beaches, and nude communities where everywone runs around naked without the worry of what others may think.
Quit trying to force your religious values upon the general population. Not every religion existing today even has nudity as " shameful". By assuming that everyone believes the way you do, you are attempting to force your religious values upon the general population, who not all happens to agree with your assertation of nudity being a " bad" thing.
I am sorry, do you really want us to live like some heathen tribals? o.0
I can not share the idealization of some "romantic simple, rural life" of a "mystic ideal past". Life back then was brutal, usually short and full of misery.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I don;t care if I run around naked, that gives no man the signal that a woman wants to be raped. That is ridiculous that you even attempt to use that as a justification for raping a woman. Men need to utilize self control. They are in control of their own actions, and responsible for their own actions. That is utter BULLSHIT that you would even attempt to say thatmen should not be able to control themselves in the presense of a naked woman. Do you even realize how ridiculous the premise that a woman is responsible for a mans actions by her attire even is?!
Moral values are the same for men and women. I don't run around in underwear in the streets and I don't want anyone else to do that, male or female. Period. Anything else you read into my sayings is in YOUR mind, not mine.
People have to keep their naked flesh where others chose to see it, not where they are forced. Such an oversexed civilzation will just degenerate. That's my opinion, take it or leave it.
Yet, men walk around with their shirt off all the time. Is civilization degenerating because men don't wear shirts sometimes? Or do you accept the double standard as normal?
I do not.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
We already know we are the far superior gender. We can make men do as we please by just revealing parts of our skin. You are all doomed to be ruled by boobs FOREVER!! Mwahahah!!
Quite true. I'm still visualizing through the Xena constume.
Thats absurd. How do you conclude because I don't want a sexualized public that I condone violence against women in private? Thats ridiculous and by the way extremely rude.
Your entire text is full of assumptions and accusations which hold zero ground, simply because it moves you out of your comfort zone and forces your to reflect. An expected reaction, and proof of the validity of this post.
I disagree. I think his post shows your bias well and clear. It just puts an exclamation point to it.
Ok. It just makes no sense for me to reply to someone who thinks I am a bad culprit. Thanks for the dabate.
So mmorpg shouldn't reply to you?
"I find it outrageous that a website which claim to be decend like MMORPG.com has an entire so called "news" article about nothing but the depiction of women in underwear!"
Do those women have the right to reply to you, blizzard, or the people that took the pictures?
Discussion are what need to occur when there are disagreements, some people don't wish to discuss with others and just make statement and listen to concurent thought, they are called closed minded.
Don't be closed minded, challenge yourself and your thoughts here, this is not the first time you have doen this Elikal. You have posted this exact same thing once before if i remember correctly. Question yourself as to what you are saying and thinking.
It appears to me that you care and feel like you are doing a good thing,. Your heart is in the write place, but your ideas and values are not. There is no such thing as over sexualization of a society and you can not dictate morals. There is the break down of families, but that is of a different cause.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
I don;t care if I run around naked, that gives no man the signal that a woman wants to be raped. That is ridiculous that you even attempt to use that as a justification for raping a woman. Men need to utilize self control. They are in control of their own actions, and responsible for their own actions. That is utter BULLSHIT that you would even attempt to say thatmen should not be able to control themselves in the presense of a naked woman. Do you even realize how ridiculous the premise that a woman is responsible for a mans actions by her attire even is?!
Moral values are the same for men and women. I don't run around in underwear in the streets and I don't want anyone else to do that, male or female. Period. Anything else you read into my sayings is in YOUR mind, not mine.
People have to keep their naked flesh where others chose to see it, not where they are forced. Such an oversexed civilzation will just degenerate. That's my opinion, take it or leave it.
Yet, men walk around with their shirt off all the time. Is civilization degenerating because men don't wear shirts sometimes? Or do you accept the double standard as normal?
I do not.
Then you are saying that men with their shirts off are contributing to the degeneration of civilization. At least I am starting to understand how radical your views are in an overall sense. If you believe things like this, of course some pictures of some girls wearing costumes is going to bother you.
In many native tribes men, women, and children ran naked and free, as a content society without european stipulations that clothing was required to exercise self control. Some of these triebs still exist, and in modern society there are nude beaches, and nude communities where everywone runs around naked without the worry of what others may think.
Quit trying to force your religious values upon the general population. Not every religion existing today even has nudity as " shameful". By assuming that everyone believes the way you do, you are attempting to force your religious values upon the general population, who not all happens to agree with your assertation of nudity being a " bad" thing.
I am sorry, do you really want us to live like some heathen tribals? o.0
I can not share the idealization of some "romantic simple, rural life" of a "mystic ideal past". Life back then was brutal, usually short and full of misery.
" Heathen tribals"? " back then?" You do realize that native tribes still exist peacefully as they have through the ages don't you? I still have my own family living on reservations. Is this offensive to you and do you consider these children "Heathen"?
Thanks for sharing your opinion on this subject Elikal, but as you can see it's just that, your opinion.
People will continue to do as they please with their bodies because that is what they choose, its called freedom last time i checked.
i guess you can continue with your crusade but it won't get anywhere and people will continue to do whatever makes them happy.
I can not change the world. And apparently not people. But I feel I need to speak up when something troubles my conscience. I say what I think, then people follow or disagree. But I felt it was the obligation to my code of honor to speak up, despite the expected harrasment and anger for disturbing people's complacency.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Thanks for sharing your opinion on this subject Elikal, but as you can see it's just that, your opinion.
People will continue to do as they please with their bodies because that is what they choose, its called freedom last time i checked.
i guess you can continue with your crusade but it won't get anywhere and people will continue to do whatever makes them happy.
I can not change the world. And apparently not people. But I feel I need to speak up when something troubles my conscience. I say what I think, then people follow or disagree. But I felt it was the obligation to my code of honor to speak up, despite the expected harrasment and anger for disturbing people's complacency.
That is an honorable thing to do, and this topic is not addressed much so its a fun one to get different views from.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
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I know you mean it in the fun way. But the reality is grim and often not funny at all.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Excuse me? Tell that to who? Myself? When I was raped as a child, I was fully clothed thank you. Whether or not we show our skin has nothing to do with a creaton raping a woman. For that to be used as a justification of rape, is excusing the perp not endorsing self control.
Yeah, he has managed to blame women for being raped.
I never said that.
But even so you should be aware of a society which treats women like objects. Running around in scantly dressed costumes just reinforces men to give into their stone age cavemen doings. People should not toy with sexuality. It creates an atmosphere were bad things can be at the end.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Oh, sweet Jesus.
"Did you she what she was wearing? She was asking for it!"
All "Quotes"' are from Elikal,
So as long as i keep the wife in my house and covered in public i can beat her and be a gentleman? Common for most of the era of gentleman.
Or is it that women are free to do what they want and you as a male telling women how they should behave and what they should be willing to wear isn't sexist?
Sorry but you are presenting yourself to not only as a sexist but as presumptuous. By stating you know how others should present themselves better than they do, you assume superior value than that person.
Now if there was a obscenity issue, the legal system would address it and you might be right; however, there is not.
Maybe you should step off that high horse and look into why you think you know what is best for others. Dictating to women how they should appear is gentleman like? Sounds more like sexism to me.
"I feel it is up to a gentleman to come and speak up." That is sexist. I am happy you speak for the females of the world. "This is so primitive of you guys." was there a mirror in front of you while you typed this?
"What would your mother say if she found you guys sinking so low as to cheer and gaze at women dressed in underwear in public" . Good point because mothers are always right, Right? Oh what would my great grandmother say about black people (US)? Because you know she always right when it comes to judging peoples, cultures, and values.
Didn't you know that in many cultures the face/eyes/arms are "over-sexualized material" and are not to be shown. I mean get off yourself. Should we use that cultural measure? Or is your's somehow superior?
"... we all have our desires. But dragging it into the public..." Shit ladies you here that? Sorry no more short or sleeveless tops, i don't even want to see the outline of your legs, if the mass of your breast is perceivable, or if i can find anything about your body that i find attractive your gonna have to hide it because you just can't be "dragging it into the public".
Its always the same, x group/person thinks they know better. Listen unless you are stealing from someone or directly hurting them, shove off. You have no place in tell others what is right and wrong, unless they ask, are hurting someone, or you personally know them. Stop trying to protect people from themselves, as if you know better.
Oh ps women could walk around naked and it wouldn't hurt anything, the concept of covering oneself to HIDE their body is "so primitive of you guys." This usage of clothing, is a throw back to lawless days where women had limited rights and rape was not as much rape as taking yourself a new wife, or just having fun. Where people didn't protect other people because they were human, you needed a tribe or family and often both for protection. Of course the real usage of clothing started with I am cold.
What we see now is, women no longer have to live in fear (sure there are bad people out there, but they don't care if you have cloths on or not) and, at least in the US, a world where men no longer need to make arbitrary rules to control the lives and behaviors of females, for their own good; because they are fully capable of doing so without YOUR [males] help.
Also what is a "kid", how old are they, what should they be doing or not doing?
Well for one they are having sex at 14-18 years of age. It makes sense they are suppose to be having sex then. Historically, biologically, etc. So it goes to show these poor things [kids] are hardwired to engage in sexual acts are interested in sexual acts. Its just so funny how that works, i mean "Why do games, which are also for children, have to show such over-sexualized material?" Who would have thunk it, maybe because many of them are sexual beings. Oh and, "Do we have no sense for the protection of kids" Protect children from who, oh that is right, themselves . . . . this seems to be a common theme with you.
You can help guide "Kids" to be responsible and caring humans, to make good choices, but protecting them from the REALITIES of the world, seems more like misleading them than protecting them. Furthermore, who are you to tell others how to acculturate their children?
The words elitist and presumptuous comes to mind, no offense they are used a buzz words. But they actually mean something.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
You twist around what I say to suit your purpose. I did not say that, so stop putting it in my mouth.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
No, you really are saying that. You are saying it is women's fault for being scantily clad that rapes happen.
I don;t care if I run around naked, that gives no man the signal that a woman wants to be raped. That is ridiculous that you even attempt to use that as a justification for raping a woman. Men need to utilize self control. They are in control of their own actions, and responsible for their own actions. That is utter BULLSHIT that you would even attempt to say thatmen should not be able to control themselves in the presense of a naked woman. Do you even realize how ridiculous the premise that a woman is responsible for a mans actions by her attire even is?!
Thats absurd. How do you conclude because I don't want a sexualized public that I condone violence against women in private? Thats ridiculous and by the way extremely rude.
Your entire text is full of assumptions and accusations which hold zero ground, simply because it moves you out of your comfort zone and forces your to reflect. An expected reaction, and proof of the validity of this post.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Moral values are the same for men and women. I don't run around in underwear in the streets and I don't want anyone else to do that, male or female. Period. Anything else you read into my sayings is in YOUR mind, not mine.
People have to keep their naked flesh where others chose to see it, not where they are forced. Such an oversexed civilzation will just degenerate. That's my opinion, take it or leave it.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I disagree. I think his post shows your bias well and clear. It just puts an exclamation point to it.
In many native tribes men, women, and children ran naked and free, as a content society without european stipulations that clothing was required to exercise self control. Some of these tribes still exist, and in modern society there are nude beaches, and nude communities where everywone runs around naked without the worry of what others may think.
Quit trying to force your religious values upon the general population. Not every religion existing today even has nudity as " shameful". By assuming that everyone believes the way you do, you are attempting to force your religious values upon the general population, who not all happens to agree with your assertation of nudity being a " bad" thing.
Ok. It just makes no sense for me to reply to someone who thinks I am a bad culprit. Thanks for the dabate.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Yet, men walk around with their shirt off all the time. Is civilization degenerating because men don't wear shirts sometimes? Or do you accept the double standard as normal?
Devil read my post in this tread and tell me what you think, i spent some time on the concepts.
But your 100% right here, why would you even relate rape with clothing? Its so illogical.
Some people just don't understand the natural value that all humans have and what it is to be prejudice agianst another group/people/culture.
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I know if a women was ever naked in front of me, like in a store. I would have to unzip my pants right there and go for it, because i lack the ability to be responcible and control my actions being a male.
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But no really the argument that it is her fault, is so sexist and old it honestly is more upsetting then if those underwear clad blizzcon ladies were humping poles and whatever they saw. AT least that would be their choice and not used as a justification of rape/abuse/ or bad behavior.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
I am sorry, do you really want us to live like some heathen tribals? o.0
I can not share the idealization of some "romantic simple, rural life" of a "mystic ideal past". Life back then was brutal, usually short and full of misery.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I do not.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Thanks for sharing your opinion on this subject Elikal, but as you can see it's just that, your opinion.
People will continue to do as they please with their bodies because that is what they choose, its called freedom last time i checked.
i guess you can continue with your crusade but it won't get anywhere and people will continue to do whatever makes them happy.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
Quite true. I'm still visualizing through the Xena constume.
So mmorpg shouldn't reply to you?
"I find it outrageous that a website which claim to be decend like MMORPG.com has an entire so called "news" article about nothing but the depiction of women in underwear!"
Do those women have the right to reply to you, blizzard, or the people that took the pictures?
Discussion are what need to occur when there are disagreements, some people don't wish to discuss with others and just make statement and listen to concurent thought, they are called closed minded.
Don't be closed minded, challenge yourself and your thoughts here, this is not the first time you have doen this Elikal. You have posted this exact same thing once before if i remember correctly. Question yourself as to what you are saying and thinking.
It appears to me that you care and feel like you are doing a good thing,. Your heart is in the write place, but your ideas and values are not. There is no such thing as over sexualization of a society and you can not dictate morals. There is the break down of families, but that is of a different cause.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Then you are saying that men with their shirts off are contributing to the degeneration of civilization. At least I am starting to understand how radical your views are in an overall sense. If you believe things like this, of course some pictures of some girls wearing costumes is going to bother you.
" Heathen tribals"? " back then?" You do realize that native tribes still exist peacefully as they have through the ages don't you? I still have my own family living on reservations. Is this offensive to you and do you consider these children "Heathen"?
I can not change the world. And apparently not people. But I feel I need to speak up when something troubles my conscience. I say what I think, then people follow or disagree. But I felt it was the obligation to my code of honor to speak up, despite the expected harrasment and anger for disturbing people's complacency.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
That is an honorable thing to do, and this topic is not addressed much so its a fun one to get different views from.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine