All I can say is that I'm glad I canceled my pre-order and I honestly hope that this game fails. Yes, the game failing will be rather devastating to the S-E fans and fans of the game, but companies need to learn to create quality products and consumers need to learn to buy quality products.
I understand with 'technology items' and, in our case here, mmorpgs it can be a difficult prospect but the burden really is on the consumer to do as much homework as possible before making a decision. No matter how interesting something looks a potential buyer, a player, needs to look at it and decide for themselves if the company is providing them enough information to base a decision and if the company is ultimately reputable. Developers and Publishers of mmorpgs have received a nearly criminal pass for many years and by and large mmorpg players have been stupid enough or cynical enough to keep buying ultimately flawed products.
Again, this game needs to fail so that companies can actually see there are serious consequences to creating a bad title and players need to learn that they don't have to simply choose between all of the options on the table, sometimes it's just better to not play and wait. This game failing will not destroy the mmorpg market, if anything it's failure can only hope to make the market a better place for all involved.
As consumers we also have to find the reputable sources to get our information from.... I don't consider SC a reputable site which most of this OP's posts seem to come from then half the people who post stroke him for it.
Funny, since SE published their own damn game. Next argument?
Got me there.
Even then though, it has to come down to not devoting more time-money to it for certain reasons they would probably never admit to. Most likely outside investors, which is apparently the major issue here anyway, so it stands to say they didn't even make this game with their own scrilla. Same thing happened with AoC.
Didn't happen with MO, but that still ended up very poorly.
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Nope I am too, I never said SE was the only one failing at minimum standard, you did put words in my mouth, I said MMO MARKET. You may have all the degrees you want but we all deserve the same ... quality products. MMO market rarely have some playable games at launch and most of them are incomplete and soon to be patched. Why people dont react more about this crap i dont know but if FF14 falls it might make a statement to the industry (lets hope).
Hell if I know how that's gonna happen. Basically these games need more time, and time = money, and publishers are in control of that. Something about them not making all their money back in box sales, and thusly they immediately shift the development team around to where they make maximum profits post-launch.
If you want a really good MMO with a future that sees more funding pumped into development, look towards self-published developers, but still expect total crap because those are usually amatuers (indy). Besides CCP that is, but even then you'll find people arguing over their capability.
Money aint always the issue, SE had money and failed. There is also knowledge of the market, platforms (wich should be the best to develop the product), time (as in choosing the right time to get a mmo out) and competence of the dev (putting new designers in when u need dev as in MO situation). Money can fix some problems but money alone is just ... paper.
Nope I am too, I never said SE was the only one failing at minimum standard, you did put words in my mouth, I said MMO MARKET. You may have all the degrees you want but we all deserve the same ... quality products. MMO market rarely have some playable games at launch and most of them are incomplete and soon to be patched. Why people dont react more about this crap i dont know but if FF14 falls it might make a statement to the industry (lets hope).
Hell if I know how that's gonna happen. Basically these games need more time, and time = money, and publishers are in control of that. Something about them not making all their money back in box sales, and thusly they immediately shift the development team around to where they make maximum profits post-launch.
If you want a really good MMO with a future that sees more funding pumped into development, look towards self-published developers, but still expect total crap because those are usually amatuers (indy). Besides CCP that is, but even then you'll find people arguing over their capability.
Money aint always the issue, SE had money and failed. There is also knowledge of the market, platforms (wich should be the best to develop the product), time (as in choosing the right time to get a mmo out) and competence of the dev (putting new designers in when u need dev as in MO situation). Money can fix some problems but money alone is just ... paper.
I tend to agree here, money is not allways the issue ...
(Not to derail the thread) but look at the budget for STOR. Money is no issue there and we're still not sure if it'll be a good product.
Money is *always* the issue. It's what they make games with, it's *why* they make games. You think investors, banks and CEOs do this for "art"?
I am very interested on how SW:ToR's huge investment is going to alter the future of the genre when it comes to finding a source of it. They are literally throwing money at it in ways that would make any game developer cream themselves. It very well may be the only launch that's full of more content than any predecessor, but is that enough thse days?
Companies like EA and NCsoft are well knwon for the "cut and run", where they chalk up bad investments as a fluke and walk entirely from it without any second pause as to how they can try to make more capital back from it. Makes zero sense to me, but then again, maybe shame > investment.
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Nope I am too, I never said SE was the only one failing at minimum standard, you did put words in my mouth, I said MMO MARKET. You may have all the degrees you want but we all deserve the same ... quality products. MMO market rarely have some playable games at launch and most of them are incomplete and soon to be patched. Why people dont react more about this crap i dont know but if FF14 falls it might make a statement to the industry (lets hope).
Hell if I know how that's gonna happen. Basically these games need more time, and time = money, and publishers are in control of that. Something about them not making all their money back in box sales, and thusly they immediately shift the development team around to where they make maximum profits post-launch.
If you want a really good MMO with a future that sees more funding pumped into development, look towards self-published developers, but still expect total crap because those are usually amatuers (indy). Besides CCP that is, but even then you'll find people arguing over their capability.
Money aint always the issue, SE had money and failed. There is also knowledge of the market, platforms (wich should be the best to develop the product), time (as in choosing the right time to get a mmo out) and competence of the dev (putting new designers in when u need dev as in MO situation). Money can fix some problems but money alone is just ... paper.
I tend to agree here, money is not allways the issue ...
(Not to derail the thread) but look at the budget for STOR. Money is no issue there and we're still not sure if it'll be a good product.
Money is *always* the issue. It's what they make games with, it's *why* they make games. You think investors, banks and CEOs do this for "art"?
I am very interested on how SW:ToR's huge investment is going to alter the future of the genre when it comes to finding a source of it. They are literally throwing money at it in ways that would make any game developer cream themselves. It very well may be the only launch that's full of more content than any predecessor, but is that enough thse days?
Companies like EA and NCsoft are well knwon for the "cut and run", where they chalk up bad investments as a fluke and walk entirely from it without any second pause as to how they can try to make more capital back from it. Makes zero sense to me, but then again, maybe shame > investment.
Yes they want profits but we are talking about developement / investment, not revenues. If they have a good developement / investment revenues will come. Why do they make the stupid decision to launch even if its unfinished? To make 2 $ ? Sure but they will only make 2 $ and loose all reputation they might have. If they wait and get a real product online they might get 10$ and lots of 2$ futhermore. So even if you think money is the issue, they dont take the good money decisions, so finally they fail.
My point is even if the money factor is solved, other factors can make a game fail.
I'm never buying another Final Fantasy title again. 12 was average, 13 was garbage, 14 is a collosal failure. Never will I see the days of FFIX again. Elder Scrolls and Fallout are taking Final Fantasy's position which kills me inside. Now as I sit here, playing Fallout New Vegas, Cataclysm, Black Ops, Crysis 2, the real titles. Ah look Final Fantasy 15 releasing soon. I won't buy it and will then read the IGN and Gamespot review, oh look another failure from square enix.
This is honestly how I feel, Square Enix does not produce AAA quality anymore. It's pretty much milking from it's former sucess and glory. They also won't give me a KH3, CMON SQUARE, I don't want PSP side garbage. KH will die eventually as well. Sad I loved KH more then FF.
Expected too much ?? I wanted a game ... I got scraps. Sometimes people really dont know what is a minimum standard in MMO market...
Whoa now!
If you have paid attention to every launched game since about 2003 (at least) you would know the standard is to release total crap and have it be palatable after a year+ of patches. THAT is the minimum standard. Before that, people just dealt with whatever the game offered because the genre was fresh and had that new car smell. Now people expect more after playing games like WoW, that hit it's peak years after launch, and has that moment set as an example for how other games need to be right out of the gate. (I apologise for using WoW as a reference, honestly)
Am I the only one that's been paying attention to this or what?
Which is exactly why people should stop listening to the buzz marketing, stop buying unfinished products and start demanding that the game is ready and complete at release.
It's weird that so many people read alot of review before buying some things, but just dive straight in blind-folded when it comes to MMO's.
So... a CEO panders to a group of angry "investors and analysts" promising them improved performance, and saying any loss in expected revenue is unacceptable!
This is news, quick Video Game Journalism reproduce this story on all of your sites. The public must know!! Never before in the history of investor relations has this happened (except at really the majority of all investor conferences all over the world for the past two years). Thank god Video Game Journalists with all their professionalism are on the ball, and ready to break this never before equaled story of the century!! Way to break out of the days of Nintendo Power, and Brady Guides into the gritty world of financial analysis I'm sure you are qualified after all you wrote a story last week about the deep cultural impact of Duke Nukem and that was worthy of a Pulitzer if ever a news story was (as is just about anything Sankaku complex or any of the other online video game JOURNALISM sites have to offer).
Well geeze don't I feel stupid sitting here in a party all day getting lancer to 20, and my pugilist to 34. Guess I should break the news to the rest of the server that the game is going offline tomorrow. Big news indeed, thank you peanut gallery as always your valuable insight into the world of MMO design is greatly appreciated. I look forward to do the day each of you develop your own multi-million subscriber AAA mmo I'm sure it will be just top notch, because you sure as hell know what you are talking about.
This has to be the best example of either a change in the way the MMO market looks at games. DDO, LOTR, Champions Online etc going free to play, APB going down the tube etc. Or that no amount of polish will make a game that has made some awful gameplay choices will work. Even as someone that played for a day and couldn't be bothered to go back since I have to admit the levels of polish on the game is blinding. Sadly though the quest system is awful seems I goto a talking rock to pick up one quest at a time, I have no idea about my class or crafting and combat seems to be mashing the 1 key everytime the timer stops? All in all not an enjoyable gaming experience and not one I will look to go back to.
Though it should be taken as a warning to all those that have invested heavily in foreth coming MMOs. The market may not be as heavilthy as Blizzard would make it seem. Lets just hope that with Christmas being soon upon us it will see an improvement.
So... a CEO panders to a group of angry "investors and analysts" promising them improved performance, and saying any loss in expected revenue is unacceptable!
This is news, quick Video Game Journalism reproduce this story on all of your sites. The public must know!! Never before in the history of investor relations has this happened (except at really the majority of all investor conferences all over the world for the past two years). Thank god Video Game Journalists with all their professionalism are on the ball, and ready to break this never before equaled story of the century!! Way to break out of the days of Nintendo Power, and Brady Guides into the gritty world of financial analysis I'm sure you are qualified after all you wrote a story last week about the deep cultural impact of Duke Nukem and that was worthy of a Pulitzer if ever a news story was (as is just about anything Sankaku complex or any of the other online video game JOURNALISM sites have to offer).
Well geeze don't I feel stupid sitting here in a party all day getting lancer to 20, and my pugilist to 34. Guess I should break the news to the rest of the server that the game is going offline tomorrow. Big news indeed, thank you peanut gallery as always your valuable insight into the world of MMO design is greatly appreciated. I look forward to do the day each of you develop your own multi-million subscriber AAA mmo I'm sure it will be just top notch, because you sure as hell know what you are talking about.
You've got brown on you.
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So... a CEO panders to a group of angry "investors and analysts" promising them improved performance, and saying any loss in expected revenue is unacceptable!
This is news, quick Video Game Journalism reproduce this story on all of your sites. The public must know!! Never before in the history of investor relations has this happened (except at really the majority of all investor conferences all over the world for the past two years). Thank god Video Game Journalists with all their professionalism are on the ball, and ready to break this never before equaled story of the century!! Way to break out of the days of Nintendo Power, and Brady Guides into the gritty world of financial analysis I'm sure you are qualified after all you wrote a story last week about the deep cultural impact of Duke Nukem and that was worthy of a Pulitzer if ever a news story was (as is just about anything Sankaku complex or any of the other online video game JOURNALISM sites have to offer).
Well geeze don't I feel stupid sitting here in a party all day getting lancer to 20, and my pugilist to 34. Guess I should break the news to the rest of the server that the game is going offline tomorrow. Big news indeed, thank you peanut gallery as always your valuable insight into the world of MMO design is greatly appreciated. I look forward to do the day each of you develop your own multi-million subscriber AAA mmo I'm sure it will be just top notch, because you sure as hell know what you are talking about.
Yeah man your insight is valued as well... *sigh* If you enjoy killing stuff non stop for hours upon hours for 1 more level, for a meaningless purpose, with nothing to look forward too, and only relying on promises of patch fixes, I feel sorry for you.
See I'm smarter, I got to about level 15 Gladiator and Pug, and then left and canceled because I knew the game was slow boring and broken. It was BARELY playable. I'll wait and see how it pans out. Sure the patch may or may not fix things. If it does i'll come back with everyone else and get some enjoyment again. Any bet they will make leveling easier and make it appel to the masses. Boy won't that be a slap in the face for you.
Blindly defending the game, come on now. I'm bored of WoW and EVE as well but why defend this garbage of a game. I'm having a ball playing Fallout New Vegas and Dead Rising 2, Black Ops soon. I even played Runes of Magic for the first time. Also went outside to the mall and bought some shirts, had some lunch, met 2 girls my age having some fun. While you kill stuff for 1 more Pug level. Hows that for sarcasm?
So... a CEO panders to a group of angry "investors and analysts" promising them improved performance, and saying any loss in expected revenue is unacceptable!
This is news, quick Video Game Journalism reproduce this story on all of your sites. The public must know!! Never before in the history of investor relations has this happened (except at really the majority of all investor conferences all over the world for the past two years). Thank god Video Game Journalists with all their professionalism are on the ball, and ready to break this never before equaled story of the century!! Way to break out of the days of Nintendo Power, and Brady Guides into the gritty world of financial analysis I'm sure you are qualified after all you wrote a story last week about the deep cultural impact of Duke Nukem and that was worthy of a Pulitzer if ever a news story was (as is just about anything Sankaku complex or any of the other online video game JOURNALISM sites have to offer).
Well geeze don't I feel stupid sitting here in a party all day getting lancer to 20, and my pugilist to 34. Guess I should break the news to the rest of the server that the game is going offline tomorrow. Big news indeed, thank you peanut gallery as always your valuable insight into the world of MMO design is greatly appreciated. I look forward to do the day each of you develop your own multi-million subscriber AAA mmo I'm sure it will be just top notch, because you sure as hell know what you are talking about.
Yeah I know ... we should only post positives about this game.
I haven't read the whole thread yet, but I'm going to say that this is from Sankaku, and Sankaku isn't exactly a reliable source for news. This would be like me reporting some news from the Onion.
edit: I read through it. The usual dick swinging is going on, but as for the OP... unless you can find a different source than Sankaku, I really have nothing to say. It could be true, in which case, I wouldn't be surprised, and it could be total bullshit coming from Sankaku.
Yeah I know ... we should only post positives about this game.
It's not fair. NOT FAIR I TELZ YOU!
Don't feed the trolls man. You see people with 3-4 thousand posts in a year or 2 and you can see certain individuals have issues with self control. The information in these threads doesn't hurt them personally at all so let them go spastic and get it out of their system. It will either get deleted or they get warned/banned. Either way, who cares.
As far as the chart and the numbers... The chart is exactly what it says it is. The numbers are a chart of the players on the servers as charted over the data points given. They don't represent subs because the game is still in the free time and there are no subs. I'm sure when the sub numbers are given it will be a whole other interesting set of numbers to mull over.
The chart is official and the CEO information is from the Yahoo headlines link. Claiming either of those are "bad sources" is ridiculous.
As someone already mentioned there are a ton of sites releasing the same information from the same sources including Kotaku etc.
Think of some other way to deflect facts you don't like. That one doesn't work LoL
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Don't feed the trolls man. You see people with 3-4 thousand posts in a year or 2 and you can see certain individuals have issues with self control.
Now I *know* that was aimed at me.
Riddle me this - how many games have I staked a vendetta against? How many charts and bits of news coverage have I dug up with the sole intent of attacking a game I felt I wasted money on?
None, that's because I have enough self control to let mistakes like that go. When a game I spent money on sucks I add to discussions as to why I feel it does, but I don't make thread after thread in the hopes that someone out in the void will agree with me and acompany me as I wage war on the makers. Self control is about not taking things that far, learn it.
I should copy/paste this in the MO section, half a dozen posters there just need to get over it already.
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The chart is official and the CEO information is from the Yahoo headlines link. Claiming either of those are "bad sources" is ridiculous.
As someone already mentioned there are a ton of sites releasing the same information from the same sources including Kotaku etc.
Think of some other way to deflect facts you don't like. That one doesn't work LoL
If you've bothered to read a single one of my posts in regards to FFXIV you'd know I'm not trying to deflect anything. I openly critize the game, so get off your hater high horse, and don't be so quick to attack. The only source you linked, which is in Japanese (mind you not too many people around here read Japanese), is incromprehensible characters to me. Why don't you link the article from Kotaku or a different source where your readers may have some clue wtf they are looking at. Shrugs, maybe it's just me, but when I can't read what I'm looking at, I become slightly skeptical.
The chart is official and the CEO information is from the Yahoo headlines link. Claiming either of those are "bad sources" is ridiculous.
As someone already mentioned there are a ton of sites releasing the same information from the same sources including Kotaku etc.
Think of some other way to deflect facts you don't like. That one doesn't work LoL
If you've bothered to read a single one of my posts in regards to FFXIV you'd know I'm not trying to deflect anything. I openly critize the game, so get off your hater high horse, and don't be so quick to attack. The only source you linked, which is in Japanese (mind you not too many people around here read Japanese), is incromprehensible characters to me. Why don't you link the article from Kotaku or a different source where your readers may have some clue wtf they are looking at. Shrugs, maybe it's just me, but when I can't read what I'm looking at, I become slightly skeptical.
Why don't you go back and read the thread you claim you read but really didn't, and you'll see where I posted links to the article from Yahoo Japan in both it's original Japanese and its google translated form.
In fact, I'll even help ya do that small task. Post #45.
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" Undercooked MMO Final Fantasy XIV was the talking point of Square Enix's six-month money report yesterday. President Yoichi Wada was pressed hard by analysts wanting to know what on earth was going on.
"We're quickly working on reforms," he told them during a conference call (according to an IGN translation of a Japanese transcript).
"We'd like to put our full power into regaining trust."
Since the launch of the Collector's Edition on 21st September and the launch of the Standard Edition on 30th September, Final Fantasy XIV has sold 630,000 copies around the world. Most of those were shifted in Europe (230,000 copies), with the US second (210,000 copies) and Japan last (190,000 copies).
Note that sales were counted up to 30th September 2010.
To boost future sales, Square Enix has a partnership with Chinese online operator Shanda Games poised. That's a "first step", according Square Enix's money report.
There's also a PS3 version of Final Fantasy XIV in the pipeline for March 2011. However, with ongoing PC problems that date may be subject to change. "
The chart is official and the CEO information is from the Yahoo headlines link. Claiming either of those are "bad sources" is ridiculous.
As someone already mentioned there are a ton of sites releasing the same information from the same sources including Kotaku etc.
Think of some other way to deflect facts you don't like. That one doesn't work LoL
If you've bothered to read a single one of my posts in regards to FFXIV you'd know I'm not trying to deflect anything. I openly critize the game, so get off your hater high horse, and don't be so quick to attack. The only source you linked, which is in Japanese (mind you not too many people around here read Japanese), is incromprehensible characters to me. Why don't you link the article from Kotaku or a different source where your readers may have some clue wtf they are looking at. Shrugs, maybe it's just me, but when I can't read what I'm looking at, I become slightly skeptical.
Why don't you go back and read the thread you claim you read but really didn't, and you'll see where I posted links to the article from Yahoo Japan in both it's original Japanese and its google translated form.
I more or less browsed through it as the majority of what I was reading was the typical, "The game is crap." Then someone would say, "No U!" So, I apologize for missing that. I found it on a different forum.
Anyways, I'm actually surprised SE would admit to failure. At least they know the situation they've put themselves in. The decision to release early has yet again bit another MMO developer in the ass. They are probably putting their hopes in the PS3 version, but by that point they will have some serious competition. Let's not fool ourselves; the "miracle patch" coming this month and continued next month are not going to be "miracle patches." They'll fix what should have been fixed in beta.
If you can't get people to play your game during free-time, then there is a serious problem. They have a rocky road going forward.
I did feel they rushed FFXIV outta the gate rather fast I mean from the day it launched from the Day of the FIRST Beta test it was rather quick.
I had a feeling they'd get themselves in trouble though since even their updating process was slower than a 28.8k Dial Up connection.
Not to mention the fact that it took them til Open Beta to reinitialize the textures to a more aesthetically pleasing type, by then they had Passed 4 CB Phases.
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Got me there.
Even then though, it has to come down to not devoting more time-money to it for certain reasons they would probably never admit to. Most likely outside investors, which is apparently the major issue here anyway, so it stands to say they didn't even make this game with their own scrilla. Same thing happened with AoC.
Didn't happen with MO, but that still ended up very poorly.
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Money aint always the issue, SE had money and failed. There is also knowledge of the market, platforms (wich should be the best to develop the product), time (as in choosing the right time to get a mmo out) and competence of the dev (putting new designers in when u need dev as in MO situation). Money can fix some problems but money alone is just ... paper.
I tend to agree here, money is not allways the issue ...
(Not to derail the thread) but look at the budget for STOR. Money is no issue there and we're still not sure if it'll be a good product.
Money is *always* the issue. It's what they make games with, it's *why* they make games. You think investors, banks and CEOs do this for "art"?
I am very interested on how SW:ToR's huge investment is going to alter the future of the genre when it comes to finding a source of it. They are literally throwing money at it in ways that would make any game developer cream themselves. It very well may be the only launch that's full of more content than any predecessor, but is that enough thse days?
Companies like EA and NCsoft are well knwon for the "cut and run", where they chalk up bad investments as a fluke and walk entirely from it without any second pause as to how they can try to make more capital back from it. Makes zero sense to me, but then again, maybe shame > investment.
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Agreed.
"Ridiculous"
Not, Re-Diculous.... You can't Re-do... Diculous....
"Its Diculous, all over again!"
Yes they want profits but we are talking about developement / investment, not revenues. If they have a good developement / investment revenues will come. Why do they make the stupid decision to launch even if its unfinished? To make 2 $ ? Sure but they will only make 2 $ and loose all reputation they might have. If they wait and get a real product online they might get 10$ and lots of 2$ futhermore. So even if you think money is the issue, they dont take the good money decisions, so finally they fail.
My point is even if the money factor is solved, other factors can make a game fail.
Thank you, my life just got a lot better.
I'm never buying another Final Fantasy title again. 12 was average, 13 was garbage, 14 is a collosal failure. Never will I see the days of FFIX again. Elder Scrolls and Fallout are taking Final Fantasy's position which kills me inside. Now as I sit here, playing Fallout New Vegas, Cataclysm, Black Ops, Crysis 2, the real titles. Ah look Final Fantasy 15 releasing soon. I won't buy it and will then read the IGN and Gamespot review, oh look another failure from square enix.
This is honestly how I feel, Square Enix does not produce AAA quality anymore. It's pretty much milking from it's former sucess and glory. They also won't give me a KH3, CMON SQUARE, I don't want PSP side garbage. KH will die eventually as well. Sad I loved KH more then FF.
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Which is exactly why people should stop listening to the buzz marketing, stop buying unfinished products and start demanding that the game is ready and complete at release.
It's weird that so many people read alot of review before buying some things, but just dive straight in blind-folded when it comes to MMO's.
So... a CEO panders to a group of angry "investors and analysts" promising them improved performance, and saying any loss in expected revenue is unacceptable!
This is news, quick Video Game Journalism reproduce this story on all of your sites. The public must know!! Never before in the history of investor relations has this happened (except at really the majority of all investor conferences all over the world for the past two years). Thank god Video Game Journalists with all their professionalism are on the ball, and ready to break this never before equaled story of the century!! Way to break out of the days of Nintendo Power, and Brady Guides into the gritty world of financial analysis I'm sure you are qualified after all you wrote a story last week about the deep cultural impact of Duke Nukem and that was worthy of a Pulitzer if ever a news story was (as is just about anything Sankaku complex or any of the other online video game JOURNALISM sites have to offer).
Well geeze don't I feel stupid sitting here in a party all day getting lancer to 20, and my pugilist to 34. Guess I should break the news to the rest of the server that the game is going offline tomorrow. Big news indeed, thank you peanut gallery as always your valuable insight into the world of MMO design is greatly appreciated. I look forward to do the day each of you develop your own multi-million subscriber AAA mmo I'm sure it will be just top notch, because you sure as hell know what you are talking about.
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This has to be the best example of either a change in the way the MMO market looks at games. DDO, LOTR, Champions Online etc going free to play, APB going down the tube etc. Or that no amount of polish will make a game that has made some awful gameplay choices will work. Even as someone that played for a day and couldn't be bothered to go back since I have to admit the levels of polish on the game is blinding. Sadly though the quest system is awful seems I goto a talking rock to pick up one quest at a time, I have no idea about my class or crafting and combat seems to be mashing the 1 key everytime the timer stops? All in all not an enjoyable gaming experience and not one I will look to go back to.
Though it should be taken as a warning to all those that have invested heavily in foreth coming MMOs. The market may not be as heavilthy as Blizzard would make it seem. Lets just hope that with Christmas being soon upon us it will see an improvement.
You've got brown on you.
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-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
Yeah man your insight is valued as well... *sigh* If you enjoy killing stuff non stop for hours upon hours for 1 more level, for a meaningless purpose, with nothing to look forward too, and only relying on promises of patch fixes, I feel sorry for you.
See I'm smarter, I got to about level 15 Gladiator and Pug, and then left and canceled because I knew the game was slow boring and broken. It was BARELY playable. I'll wait and see how it pans out. Sure the patch may or may not fix things. If it does i'll come back with everyone else and get some enjoyment again. Any bet they will make leveling easier and make it appel to the masses. Boy won't that be a slap in the face for you.
Blindly defending the game, come on now. I'm bored of WoW and EVE as well but why defend this garbage of a game. I'm having a ball playing Fallout New Vegas and Dead Rising 2, Black Ops soon. I even played Runes of Magic for the first time. Also went outside to the mall and bought some shirts, had some lunch, met 2 girls my age having some fun. While you kill stuff for 1 more Pug level. Hows that for sarcasm?
Yeah I know ... we should only post positives about this game.
It's not fair. NOT FAIR I TELZ YOU!
I haven't read the whole thread yet, but I'm going to say that this is from Sankaku, and Sankaku isn't exactly a reliable source for news. This would be like me reporting some news from the Onion.
edit: I read through it. The usual dick swinging is going on, but as for the OP... unless you can find a different source than Sankaku, I really have nothing to say. It could be true, in which case, I wouldn't be surprised, and it could be total bullshit coming from Sankaku.
Don't feed the trolls man. You see people with 3-4 thousand posts in a year or 2 and you can see certain individuals have issues with self control. The information in these threads doesn't hurt them personally at all so let them go spastic and get it out of their system. It will either get deleted or they get warned/banned. Either way, who cares.
As far as the chart and the numbers... The chart is exactly what it says it is. The numbers are a chart of the players on the servers as charted over the data points given. They don't represent subs because the game is still in the free time and there are no subs. I'm sure when the sub numbers are given it will be a whole other interesting set of numbers to mull over.
The chart is official and the CEO information is from the Yahoo headlines link. Claiming either of those are "bad sources" is ridiculous.
As someone already mentioned there are a ton of sites releasing the same information from the same sources including Kotaku etc.
Think of some other way to deflect facts you don't like. That one doesn't work LoL
"I'm not cheap I'm incredibly subconsciously financially optimized"
"The worst part of censorship is ------------------"
Now I *know* that was aimed at me.
Riddle me this - how many games have I staked a vendetta against? How many charts and bits of news coverage have I dug up with the sole intent of attacking a game I felt I wasted money on?
None, that's because I have enough self control to let mistakes like that go. When a game I spent money on sucks I add to discussions as to why I feel it does, but I don't make thread after thread in the hopes that someone out in the void will agree with me and acompany me as I wage war on the makers. Self control is about not taking things that far, learn it.
I should copy/paste this in the MO section, half a dozen posters there just need to get over it already.
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If you've bothered to read a single one of my posts in regards to FFXIV you'd know I'm not trying to deflect anything. I openly critize the game, so get off your hater high horse, and don't be so quick to attack. The only source you linked, which is in Japanese (mind you not too many people around here read Japanese), is incromprehensible characters to me. Why don't you link the article from Kotaku or a different source where your readers may have some clue wtf they are looking at. Shrugs, maybe it's just me, but when I can't read what I'm looking at, I become slightly skeptical.
Why don't you go back and read the thread you claim you read but really didn't, and you'll see where I posted links to the article from Yahoo Japan in both it's original Japanese and its google translated form.
In fact, I'll even help ya do that small task. Post #45.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
An interesting read here - here from Eurogamer.
" Undercooked MMO Final Fantasy XIV was the talking point of Square Enix's six-month money report yesterday. President Yoichi Wada was pressed hard by analysts wanting to know what on earth was going on.
"We're quickly working on reforms," he told them during a conference call (according to an IGN translation of a Japanese transcript).
"We'd like to put our full power into regaining trust."
Since the launch of the Collector's Edition on 21st September and the launch of the Standard Edition on 30th September, Final Fantasy XIV has sold 630,000 copies around the world. Most of those were shifted in Europe (230,000 copies), with the US second (210,000 copies) and Japan last (190,000 copies).
Note that sales were counted up to 30th September 2010.
To boost future sales, Square Enix has a partnership with Chinese online operator Shanda Games poised. That's a "first step", according Square Enix's money report.
There's also a PS3 version of Final Fantasy XIV in the pipeline for March 2011. However, with ongoing PC problems that date may be subject to change. "
I more or less browsed through it as the majority of what I was reading was the typical, "The game is crap." Then someone would say, "No U!" So, I apologize for missing that. I found it on a different forum.
Anyways, I'm actually surprised SE would admit to failure. At least they know the situation they've put themselves in. The decision to release early has yet again bit another MMO developer in the ass. They are probably putting their hopes in the PS3 version, but by that point they will have some serious competition. Let's not fool ourselves; the "miracle patch" coming this month and continued next month are not going to be "miracle patches." They'll fix what should have been fixed in beta.
If you can't get people to play your game during free-time, then there is a serious problem. They have a rocky road going forward.
edit: Why so snarky?
@Murugan: Fanboy rage!
I did feel they rushed FFXIV outta the gate rather fast I mean from the day it launched from the Day of the FIRST Beta test it was rather quick.
I had a feeling they'd get themselves in trouble though since even their updating process was slower than a 28.8k Dial Up connection.
Not to mention the fact that it took them til Open Beta to reinitialize the textures to a more aesthetically pleasing type, by then they had Passed 4 CB Phases.
Ah SE you've fooled us once!