The OP kind of makes me laugh here... he gets all up in arms about the Warzone PvP, and then cites that he'll be playing GW2 or RIFT. He also goes on to say there will be no open world PvP in TOR.
TOR will have open world PvP and Warzones. The open world PvP will not be instanced like the Mists in GW2 -- that actually has nothing to do with an actual open world. So we have 5v5 and instanced PvP in the Mists for GW2, or we have 8v8 and open world PvP for TOR. Between the two it sounds like he'd actually be looking more towards TOR to get his PvP fix but he's so blindsided by wanting to dislike TOR he just can't see it.
Then we have more people come in to agree with him, again citing no open world PvP for TOR... its like the blind leading the blind.
The OP kind of makes me laugh here... he gets all up in arms about the Warzone PvP, and then cites that he'll be playing GW2 or RIFT. He also goes on to say there will be no open world PvP in TOR.
TOR will have open world PvP and Warzones. The open world PvP will not be instanced like the Mists in GW2 -- that actually has nothing to do with an actual open world. So we have 5v5 and instanced PvP in the Mists for GW2, or we have 8v8 and open world PvP for TOR. Between the two it sounds like he'd actually be looking more towards TOR to get his PvP fix but he's so blindsided by wanting to dislike TOR he just can't see it.
Then we have more people come in to agree with him, again citing no open world PvP for TOR... its like the blind leading the blind.
so freakin true.
these anti TOR trolls are becoming worse than the anti WoW people, and the game isn't even out yet.
The OP kind of makes me laugh here... he gets all up in arms about the Warzone PvP, and then cites that he'll be playing GW2 or RIFT. He also goes on to say there will be no open world PvP in TOR.
TOR will have open world PvP and Warzones. The open world PvP will not be instanced like the Mists in GW2 -- that actually has nothing to do with an actual open world. So we have 5v5 and instanced PvP in the Mists for GW2, or we have 8v8 and open world PvP for TOR. Between the two it sounds like he'd actually be looking more towards TOR to get his PvP fix but he's so blindsided by wanting to dislike TOR he just can't see it.
Then we have more people come in to agree with him, again citing no open world PvP for TOR... its like the blind leading the blind.
so freakin true.
these anti TOR trolls are becoming worse than the anti WoW people, and the game isn't even out yet.
The OP kind of makes me laugh here... he gets all up in arms about the Warzone PvP, and then cites that he'll be playing GW2 or RIFT. He also goes on to say there will be no open world PvP in TOR.
TOR will have open world PvP and Warzones. The open world PvP will not be instanced like the Mists in GW2 -- that actually has nothing to do with an actual open world. So we have 5v5 and instanced PvP in the Mists for GW2, or we have 8v8 and open world PvP for TOR. Between the two it sounds like he'd actually be looking more towards TOR to get his PvP fix but he's so blindsided by wanting to dislike TOR he just can't see it.
Then we have more people come in to agree with him, again citing no open world PvP for TOR... its like the blind leading the blind.
Silly Maskedweasel ,everyone knows the burden of proof is on Bioware.Anet does not have to prove anything because they are benevolent Gods who would never make mistakes and anyone who doe snto beleive so must be purged fromt his world!!!!
I think he was just uninformed and went in a wrong way about asking for more information. I suspect the OP is the same guy as the one that posted the exact same question on the official forums (See Keithianw's link), and in that thread he apologized for the way he posted and thanked for the information links and dev quotes that people provided him with.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Some of us like competitive pvp, the only way of ensuring that is to have equal numbers. Open pvp is nice don't get me wrong, but it is usually a numbers game.
I seriously don't know what is wrong with some of you people...
if you don't like Warzones, don't fucking play in the warzones, stick to the open world pvp.
If you don't like that, then skip it all together and stick to the story.
And if you don't like the story, you can skip most of that as well, and still level to end game.
No one expects you to like every single aspect of the game, that's just not going to happen, and they're not even trying. They are putting in a variety of styles of gameplay so that a largeer number of people can pick and choose how they'd like to play the game.
Why is that so hard for some of you idiots to understand?
Really!? Really another I am going to play GW2 thread?
I guess I just don't get how people can be so upset about a game that's not out yet.
You don't have to have a game release in order to have information about the mechanics, the world, the gameplay, the pvp, etc. The interviews, blogs, podcasts telling us about how the game is going to be is enough.
No you don't, but you obviously aren't listening when they describe their game. It leads me to believe you're buying into what you read on forums, rather than actual details released on the game. For starters you say all they have is BG PVP, which isn't exactly true, not according to Bioware anyway. Second you say their worlds are linear with no exploration, which again is not true when compared to the information Bioware has released as well as blogs written by those who have played the game.
The misinformed are usually really bad at gaming anyways. If they can't keep on the points they are making on forums by doing their own fact checking, then they will fail in any game. These are usually the same folks that ask you ingame what food is for? or can't figure out how to get better gear as they level and wear stuff 15 levels below their level, or send duel requests to people 20 levels above their own and cry when they get owned.
TOR will have open world PvP and Warzones. The open world PvP will not be instanced like the Mists in GW2 -- that actually has nothing to do with an actual open world. So we have 5v5 and instanced PvP in the Mists for GW2, or we have 8v8 and open world PvP for TOR. Between the two it sounds like he'd actually be looking more towards TOR to get his PvP fix but he's so blindsided by wanting to dislike TOR he just can't see it.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
TOR will have open world PvP and Warzones. The open world PvP will not be instanced like the Mists in GW2 -- that actually has nothing to do with an actual open world. So we have 5v5 and instanced PvP in the Mists for GW2, or we have 8v8 and open world PvP for TOR. Between the two it sounds like he'd actually be looking more towards TOR to get his PvP fix but he's so blindsided by wanting to dislike TOR he just can't see it.
Mists are not instanced.
I take it by saying "instanced" he meant "zoned" and Mists is that.
I don't even know where to begin but this kills the game for me. 8v8's? Battlegrounds type PVP instead of open world? No thanks. I can't believe this is "Bioware's vision" as far as PVP is concerned. Everytime I read an article regarding SWTOR and the mechanics, almost every single one has turned me off more and more about the game.
Have fun with the multiplayer death matches in SWTOR guys. I think I'm going to go with Guild Wars 2 and Rift.
Bioware really needs to just stick with single-player RPG's.
Agreed. It's really sad to see MMORPGs moving backwards year by year.
The number of people playing together gets smaller and smaller, the game mechanics focus more on the solo player, more on instancing and a linear story.
It's insane, I can't believe they call these games MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER still. They should have had Mythic working on this game from the start, then maybe the PvP wouldn't be so limited and WoWified.
I am so sick to death of DIKU EQ styled MMOs, that get more and more simplified after each iteration. Would it hurt to make something NEW for once, instead of the 10th rehash of WoW/EQ? How come from 1997-2003 we had dozens of innovative and different games, yet for the past 7 years the ONLY innovation is coming from small companies?
I don't even know where to begin but this kills the game for me. 8v8's? Battlegrounds type PVP instead of open world? No thanks. I can't believe this is "Bioware's vision" as far as PVP is concerned. Everytime I read an article regarding SWTOR and the mechanics, almost every single one has turned me off more and more about the game.
Have fun with the multiplayer death matches in SWTOR guys. I think I'm going to go with Guild Wars 2 and Rift.
Bioware really needs to just stick with single-player RPG's.
Agreed. It's really sad to see MMORPGs moving backwards year by year.
The number of people playing together gets smaller and smaller, the game mechanics focus more on the solo player, more on instancing and a linear story.
It's insane, I can't believe they call these games MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER still. They should have had Mythic working on this game from the start, then maybe the PvP wouldn't be so limited and WoWified.
I'm not sure what the problem is. They are offering multiple play styles. That is what the majority of people want, a play style for their liking, mood and time of day. In just about every MMO I have played as of late, finding groups and raids both in PVE and PVP has not been an issue. There are more then enough folks out there like me who prefer grouping where I think this is a mute point.
Also, as you chose to ignore this entire thread, the PVP looks hardly limited. If anything they are making it more interesting compared to some of the PVP that is out there and I'll be curious to see the world PVP if that really materializes.
I don't even know where to begin but this kills the game for me. 8v8's? Battlegrounds type PVP instead of open world? No thanks. I can't believe this is "Bioware's vision" as far as PVP is concerned. Everytime I read an article regarding SWTOR and the mechanics, almost every single one has turned me off more and more about the game.
Have fun with the multiplayer death matches in SWTOR guys. I think I'm going to go with Guild Wars 2 and Rift.
Bioware really needs to just stick with single-player RPG's.
Agreed. It's really sad to see MMORPGs moving backwards year by year.
The number of people playing together gets smaller and smaller, the game mechanics focus more on the solo player, more on instancing and a linear story.
It's insane, I can't believe they call these games MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER still. They should have had Mythic working on this game from the start, then maybe the PvP wouldn't be so limited and WoWified.
I'm not sure what the problem is. They are offering multiple play styles. That is what the majority of people want, a play style for their liking, mood and time of day. In just about every MMO I have played as of late, finding groups and raids both in PVE and PVP has not been an issue. There are more then enough folks out there like me who prefer grouping where I think this is a mute point.
Also, as you chose to ignore this entire thread, the PVP looks hardly limited. If anything they are making it more interesting compared to some of the PVP that is out there and I'll be curious to see the world PVP if that really materializes.
8v8 battlegrounds will never be interesting. Sorry. I could play League of Legends if I wanted something that small scale. No they are not offering multiple play styles, they're offering a single player game for casual gamers, and WoW mechanics hoping to attract some of those folks. The game is so small scale and limited they aren't offering anything for people that like wide open worlds or MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER games.
I don't even know where to begin but this kills the game for me. 8v8's? Battlegrounds type PVP instead of open world? No thanks. I can't believe this is "Bioware's vision" as far as PVP is concerned. Everytime I read an article regarding SWTOR and the mechanics, almost every single one has turned me off more and more about the game.
Agreed. It's really sad to see MMORPGs moving backwards year by year.
The number of people playing together gets smaller and smaller, the game mechanics focus more on the solo player, more on instancing and a linear story.
It's insane, I can't believe they call these games MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER still. They should have had Mythic working on this game from the start, then maybe the PvP wouldn't be so limited and WoWified.
I am so sick to death of DIKU EQ styled MMOs, that get more and more simplified after each iteration. Would it hurt to make something NEW for once, instead of the 10th rehash of WoW/EQ? How come from 1997-2003 we had dozens of innovative and different games, yet for the past 7 years the ONLY innovation is coming from small companies?
I think you missed the part where the OP got the information he was looking for and found out that there will be open world PvP and wide, open worlds in SW:TOR.
I copied it to here, just as a reminder:
Originally posted by joejccva
Thanks guys. I got the confirmed info I was looking for. Appreciate your responses (well most of them lol).
Thanks! Oh and sorry for making it seem like I was hating.
Regarding innovation, sure, I give you that MMORPG development has been pretty stale in the period 2006-2010 compared with the period before. However, the period 2011-2012 shows enough of that with games like GW2, TERA, Rift, TSW, Firefall, and WoD, and personally I find the deepened storytelling quest mechanics that BW is implementing in SW:TOR an innovation in itself as well.
Sure, if you're a sandbox lover, then you'll only find WoD of the upcoming MMO games to your liking. But that doesn't mean that there isn't enough innovation to be found in the other upcoming MMORPG games, even if those games and innovations aren't to your liking.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
did you truly believe that after they came up with a space tunnel shooter pvp was going to be anything more than a capture the flag scenario?
i understand your apprehension, but the fact is, as moaky pointed out, this sort of stuff was to be expected.
this is how it goes:
bioware releases a video or an "idea" and you go up in arms at it simplicity, shallowness and dumbness.
you are explained that "there isn't enough information about the feature to warrant your complaint".
then more information is released, and, what do you know, just confirms what you suspected or expected.
then you are told "this is not a friggin sandbox game".
so my recommendation to you: expect the most simple-minded, easy, instantly- gratifying, instant-action, features you can think of, so when more information on the game is released, instead of being disappointed, you'll feel a pleasing sense of having been proven right.
I don't even know where to begin but this kills the game for me. 8v8's? Battlegrounds type PVP instead of open world? No thanks. I can't believe this is "Bioware's vision" as far as PVP is concerned. Everytime I read an article regarding SWTOR and the mechanics, almost every single one has turned me off more and more about the game.
Have fun with the multiplayer death matches in SWTOR guys. I think I'm going to go with Guild Wars 2 and Rift.
Bioware really needs to just stick with single-player RPG's.
true that, Massively multiplayer online game? then massively multilayer pvp must be included, not a silly 8v8 death match..... thank god im not planning on getting this game.
waiting for gw2 and blade & soul
In which guild wars you will have small groups (4v4s), medium groups (8v8s), guild groups (not sure on size), open world, and other things.
Unless they only told a few trolls on these forums, bioware said there will be open world pvp in certain places. I would venture to guess that we will see PvP servers, where anywhere but "cities" is pvp open.
I know, I know. You wish to just talk badly about the game and look quite ignorant. That's cool, But you shouldn't really try to make the game out worse then it is. Afterall, wow is proving no one really enjoys open world pvp.
Wow they release a video of an 8vs8 pvp zone and you guys really do go nuts. The speculations galore. The biggest and persistant is somehow when they release info. that somehow this is the only thing on this subject they have. Started with story. Then VO then single player now PVP. Let them get all the information out before you jump to conclusions.
To be frank, i've been happy with everything that came out. because i didn't expect a sandbox game as it was never stated as such.
"so my recommendation to you: expect the most simple-minded, easy, instantly- gratifying, instant-action, features you can think of, so when more information on the game is released, instead of being disappointed, you'll feel a pleasing sense of having been proven right."
That statement just made me laugh. Okay think whatever you want. But we will see on release.
BW is not known for making a sandbox game so i'm not sure what ever made anyone think it would be. Second they are story driven with companions that interact in the story and most of their games run off of the Dungeons and dragons ruleset. at least until recently.
I can understand speculation but please leave the jabs such as the one i quoted above out. Your on purposely trying to make the fans mad at you to start something.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Not to be a downer but for the past few months this game has been letting me down. It for sure in my book isn't one that will be worth standing in line on release day for. I probably wont touch this game till several good reviews from players come out. And the sad part is i was looking forward to it.
My feelings exactly... It's looking to be a SW's version of WoW.. so lame..
bioware releases a video or an "idea" and you go up in arms at it simplicity, shallowness and dumbness.
you are explained that "there isn't enough information about the feature to warrant your complaint".
then more information is released, and, what do you know, just confirms what you suspected or expected.
then you are told "this is not a friggin sandbox game".
so my recommendation to you: expect the most simple-minded, easy, instantly- gratifying, instant-action, features you can think of, so when more information on the game is released, instead of being disappointed, you'll feel a pleasing sense of having been proven right.
I guess there's some point anywhere here (besides smugness) where you're going to state that they're lying when it comes to open world PvP?
Besides that, I think you (purposely?) missed the other posts of the OP in the thread where he announces that he found the information he was looking for, and thanked people providing the information, namely that there will be wide, open worlds and open world pvp, besides Warzones?
So, you just used the OP's comments while ignoring his follow up posts, just to make this 'prediction' how you will be right?
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
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Get rid of competitive ladder style pvp and Raids and mmo communities would be a hundred times better.
Push Small group Co-op play like WARs PQs instead of raids and leave out pvp entirely in pve focused games and we would have a perfect world scenario.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
Im rolling on a PVE server. I play EvE for my Pvp fix. No game could touch EvE in that area.
Why would i want second rate pvp in my Pve focused epic storyline mmo?
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
The OP kind of makes me laugh here... he gets all up in arms about the Warzone PvP, and then cites that he'll be playing GW2 or RIFT. He also goes on to say there will be no open world PvP in TOR.
TOR will have open world PvP and Warzones. The open world PvP will not be instanced like the Mists in GW2 -- that actually has nothing to do with an actual open world. So we have 5v5 and instanced PvP in the Mists for GW2, or we have 8v8 and open world PvP for TOR. Between the two it sounds like he'd actually be looking more towards TOR to get his PvP fix but he's so blindsided by wanting to dislike TOR he just can't see it.
Then we have more people come in to agree with him, again citing no open world PvP for TOR... its like the blind leading the blind.
so freakin true.
these anti TOR trolls are becoming worse than the anti WoW people, and the game isn't even out yet.
agreed...i love these "TOR SUX GW2 RULEZ!" posts
Silly Maskedweasel ,everyone knows the burden of proof is on Bioware.Anet does not have to prove anything because they are benevolent Gods who would never make mistakes and anyone who doe snto beleive so must be purged fromt his world!!!!
I think he was just uninformed and went in a wrong way about asking for more information. I suspect the OP is the same guy as the one that posted the exact same question on the official forums (See Keithianw's link), and in that thread he apologized for the way he posted and thanked for the information links and dev quotes that people provided him with.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Some of us like competitive pvp, the only way of ensuring that is to have equal numbers. Open pvp is nice don't get me wrong, but it is usually a numbers game.
I seriously don't know what is wrong with some of you people...
if you don't like Warzones, don't fucking play in the warzones, stick to the open world pvp.
If you don't like that, then skip it all together and stick to the story.
And if you don't like the story, you can skip most of that as well, and still level to end game.
No one expects you to like every single aspect of the game, that's just not going to happen, and they're not even trying. They are putting in a variety of styles of gameplay so that a largeer number of people can pick and choose how they'd like to play the game.
Why is that so hard for some of you idiots to understand?
The misinformed are usually really bad at gaming anyways. If they can't keep on the points they are making on forums by doing their own fact checking, then they will fail in any game. These are usually the same folks that ask you ingame what food is for? or can't figure out how to get better gear as they level and wear stuff 15 levels below their level, or send duel requests to people 20 levels above their own and cry when they get owned.
Thanks guys. I got the confirmed info I was looking for. Appreciate your responses (well most of them lol).
Thanks! Oh and sorry for making it seem like I was hating.
Mists are not instanced.
You're welcome. I appreciate you coming back and showing that it was not just ranting, but looking for information that you were doing.
Next time, framing your questions differently and no caps is maybe better
I think what he means is that the Mists takes place in a separate instance, apart from the world servers or shards.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I take it by saying "instanced" he meant "zoned" and Mists is that.
Agreed. It's really sad to see MMORPGs moving backwards year by year.
The number of people playing together gets smaller and smaller, the game mechanics focus more on the solo player, more on instancing and a linear story.
It's insane, I can't believe they call these games MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER still. They should have had Mythic working on this game from the start, then maybe the PvP wouldn't be so limited and WoWified.
I am so sick to death of DIKU EQ styled MMOs, that get more and more simplified after each iteration. Would it hurt to make something NEW for once, instead of the 10th rehash of WoW/EQ? How come from 1997-2003 we had dozens of innovative and different games, yet for the past 7 years the ONLY innovation is coming from small companies?
I'm not sure what the problem is. They are offering multiple play styles. That is what the majority of people want, a play style for their liking, mood and time of day. In just about every MMO I have played as of late, finding groups and raids both in PVE and PVP has not been an issue. There are more then enough folks out there like me who prefer grouping where I think this is a mute point.
Also, as you chose to ignore this entire thread, the PVP looks hardly limited. If anything they are making it more interesting compared to some of the PVP that is out there and I'll be curious to see the world PVP if that really materializes.
There Is Always Hope!
8v8 battlegrounds will never be interesting. Sorry. I could play League of Legends if I wanted something that small scale. No they are not offering multiple play styles, they're offering a single player game for casual gamers, and WoW mechanics hoping to attract some of those folks. The game is so small scale and limited they aren't offering anything for people that like wide open worlds or MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER games.
lol mists are suppost to have 100 people not 5.......
I think you missed the part where the OP got the information he was looking for and found out that there will be open world PvP and wide, open worlds in SW:TOR.
I copied it to here, just as a reminder:
Regarding innovation, sure, I give you that MMORPG development has been pretty stale in the period 2006-2010 compared with the period before. However, the period 2011-2012 shows enough of that with games like GW2, TERA, Rift, TSW, Firefall, and WoD, and personally I find the deepened storytelling quest mechanics that BW is implementing in SW:TOR an innovation in itself as well.
Sure, if you're a sandbox lover, then you'll only find WoD of the upcoming MMO games to your liking. But that doesn't mean that there isn't enough innovation to be found in the other upcoming MMORPG games, even if those games and innovations aren't to your liking.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Wait... do you mean to tell me that the Mists are gonna be instanced and capped? I thought this was supposed to be the RvR portion of the game...
to the OP:
seriously....
did you truly believe that after they came up with a space tunnel shooter pvp was going to be anything more than a capture the flag scenario?
i understand your apprehension, but the fact is, as moaky pointed out, this sort of stuff was to be expected.
this is how it goes:
bioware releases a video or an "idea" and you go up in arms at it simplicity, shallowness and dumbness.
you are explained that "there isn't enough information about the feature to warrant your complaint".
then more information is released, and, what do you know, just confirms what you suspected or expected.
then you are told "this is not a friggin sandbox game".
so my recommendation to you: expect the most simple-minded, easy, instantly- gratifying, instant-action, features you can think of, so when more information on the game is released, instead of being disappointed, you'll feel a pleasing sense of having been proven right.
In which guild wars you will have small groups (4v4s), medium groups (8v8s), guild groups (not sure on size), open world, and other things.
Unless they only told a few trolls on these forums, bioware said there will be open world pvp in certain places. I would venture to guess that we will see PvP servers, where anywhere but "cities" is pvp open.
I know, I know. You wish to just talk badly about the game and look quite ignorant. That's cool, But you shouldn't really try to make the game out worse then it is. Afterall, wow is proving no one really enjoys open world pvp.
Wow they release a video of an 8vs8 pvp zone and you guys really do go nuts. The speculations galore. The biggest and persistant is somehow when they release info. that somehow this is the only thing on this subject they have. Started with story. Then VO then single player now PVP. Let them get all the information out before you jump to conclusions.
To be frank, i've been happy with everything that came out. because i didn't expect a sandbox game as it was never stated as such.
"so my recommendation to you: expect the most simple-minded, easy, instantly- gratifying, instant-action, features you can think of, so when more information on the game is released, instead of being disappointed, you'll feel a pleasing sense of having been proven right."
That statement just made me laugh. Okay think whatever you want. But we will see on release.
BW is not known for making a sandbox game so i'm not sure what ever made anyone think it would be. Second they are story driven with companions that interact in the story and most of their games run off of the Dungeons and dragons ruleset. at least until recently.
I can understand speculation but please leave the jabs such as the one i quoted above out. Your on purposely trying to make the fans mad at you to start something.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
My feelings exactly... It's looking to be a SW's version of WoW.. so lame..
I guess there's some point anywhere here (besides smugness) where you're going to state that they're lying when it comes to open world PvP?
Besides that, I think you (purposely?) missed the other posts of the OP in the thread where he announces that he found the information he was looking for, and thanked people providing the information, namely that there will be wide, open worlds and open world pvp, besides Warzones?
So, you just used the OP's comments while ignoring his follow up posts, just to make this 'prediction' how you will be right?
Good job.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."