Yeah, i was playing on a friends account a few months back and when i was around 18 with an UD warrior he told me to start saving up for a mount and i laughed at him because i thought by the time i hit 40 i could run around mining and sell enough copper bars or something in the AH for a couple days to get my mount. I told him this and he went on to tell be about the level 20 thing which i was mega surprised because the main thing that mounts did is give you the ability to avoid mobs. That was the cool thing for those 40 first levels, it actuallly felt like you were adventuring as you ran around ares trying to navigate to your quest spot while trying to avoid mobs.
At level twenty also makes Aspect of the Cheetah almost completely useless since you get that at level 16.
By the way, the cast time has also been cut in half.
I remember when Your epic mount at 60 and full blue dungeon armor was considered "endgame"....
OMG I miss that WoW.
...
I never raided much in vanilla WoW, but I know that even then they had raids with epic gear drops. Molten Core, Ony, Blackwing Lair, etc. Even though I didn't raid much even I had a few pieces of epic gear from those raids.
aye you got the blue sets from doing instances, epic sets and items were from the raid content, really good fun back then.
The first year of WoW was mostly just farming dungeons for blue sets. Things like Getting your epic mount and Valor set were all people cared about. A very small percentage cared about the early raid content.
And when i say early raid content im not talking about The post nerf content when Blizzard moved the T2 armor out of MC.
Im talking Pre-Bwl. before the raid armor even had its own unique look to it.
Very few raided. We were running UBRS 15 man and Scholo/Strat 10 man.
The arcanite reaper was king...
WoW was an amazing experience back then I would put my first 6-10 months in WoW against any time I played in any other mmo ever.
Yeah i remember those good old days i still play WoW im coming up on my sixth year so ive played it as long as its been out and its only been out for basically 6 years now in about a week or so anyways i remeber being in Stranglethorn Vale with my dad we were playing on our lvl 39 dwarf hunters we both had the gold for our mounts after an extreme amount of farming and when we both dinged i remeber i had typed in general chat "Ding level 40 finally i don"t need to walk anymore!!!" and i remeber getting about a gratz from almost everyone in the zone now if i were to do that i might not even get one. Now dont get me wrong i still love WoW but i remeber when it took like 3 months to get that one item from Molten Core and even though you thought this is BS it still hasn't dropped when you finally got it you jumped out of your chair sooo happy you got that weapon armour etc. and i loved how there were 8 set pieces not just 5 they really made it better in some ways but isn't an MMO supposed to be fun but hard as well it was about meeting friends and joining guilds to take out this giant epic boss and feel like you belonged there and those awesome 40 man raids instead of 25 or 10 it just made you feel really great. It was hard and i loved it WOTLK raids were great [ Except TOTC] but it was too easy. I cant wait for Cataclysm because there going back to Vanilla WoW raiding and i think that is going to be fantastic.I know this is mostly extremely off the topic but i thought i'd share that storey and how i feel about the game which is loads of fun but needs to start getting more difficult.
Say what you want to about nostalgia and rose-colored glasses, but Vanilla WoW DID have a much different feel to it than it did after BC.
Some changes:
Maybe just perception, but I feel as though the average age has slowly lowered as the game has gotten more popular. Back shortly after launch, I would say that the average age was around 18-19, mostly college students who more often than not were fans of the RTS games (I remember teasing the guys in the dorm across from mine about how much time they spent on which installment was out at the time a year or two before WoW launched).
Though it was certainly more grindy, the feeling of accomplishment was much more substantial. I remember when I completed the Wildheart set for my druid - I felt like it was just the greatest thing ever. I STILL have the Feralheart that I upgraded it to sitting in my bank, along with a 6/8 new version of Wildheart that I've been assembling for kicks.
The game just felt more social. I had a huge number of people on my friends list that I simply met while questing or the random person I banded together with to help help fiend off Hordies. I'll occassionally have that happen now, but it's FAR more rare that back then, mostly due to the fact that intra-realm instance groups are more or less dead and people you meet now in game seem to have the patience of a four year old on a sugar high.
I still find the game to be fun overall, but it definitely feels like it's missing something these days, and it's not the shiny new game aspect.
I remember weekends were, get my stuff done in the morning. By afternoon, I would gather up my drinks, snacks take the phone off the hook. Then log in to find a group to do Scarlet Monastary.........Sure it was work.......Sure you had to fight your way in.......Sure people would quit, but you would always try and get a Warlock to Simmons others. It was sometimes three hours of fun. You never knew if you were gonna have a flop or a well oiled group. If so you would play all four, Library, Armory,Cathedral, and Grave yard.
It would sometimes take 30 to 45 min to get in and get settled but it was way fun. I usually made at least one REAL FRIEND on each run.
My memory is lousy, so all I really remember is that suicide run at low level through the wetlands to Ironforge so that I could play with my friends who were in the Eastern Kingdoms.
Oh yeah... I remember doing that,
and praying that I wouldnt get eaten by that damn croc. camping that little bridge...
I still think Blizzard put that croc there just to feed on all the level 5's & 10's that pass through on their way to Ironforge.
Nods, granted I'm much happier now that its great Came back for 4.0.1 since leaving in 07 and WoW is just freaking awesome right now. Still stylised but the graphic quality and polish are unreal. Almost feel like I wasted the last three years playing LotRO, AoC, VG, EQ2, CO, Aion and WAR. Would add CoX but its the me and the wife game so meh.
Grinding gold wasting intelligent play, its was a grind. Lower cost of living isn't dumbing down.
Ah the days where 80% of level 60's still had a 60% mount. Ah yes, and the phrase "EPIC" mount was glorified. If you just graced your home city with your steed, people bowed to you in the streets, and begged for gold.
And if you saw a guy in full Tier1 with his Epic mount, you jizzed in your pants.
All this nostalgia is all well and good, but let's be honest, if Blizzard didn't add expansions to the game, would anybody still be playing? I mean really, there's only so many times you can do the same raids over and over. Then again, I'm shocked that people don't get bored doing them sooner than they do. They really need to add something to the game beyond the same old item grind. I suppose they are doing that with Cataclysm, giving people a whole new newbie experience, but I wonder if it'll be enough. I know it's not going to die anytime soon, and will probably always have a certain degree of success, but it does feel rather old to me now.
Maybe they need to start thinking outside the box and add some sandbox elements to the game. They could strengthen crafting and make it more intersesting and useful and at the same time improve the game economy. Wouldn't it be interesting if they let people loot pc bodies on pvp servers? That would probably cause a riot tho...they'd have to downgrade the importance of raid gear before doing that I suppose. It might be too drastic of a move. Anyway, it seems to me that they need to start thinking differently than they have before for future expansions.
First char was a lock... got my first mount for free
You still had to pay for the training. Training was 50g at that time mounts were 10g unless you were a Warlock or a Paladin. I never had a pally, I played Horde. Blizzard made you pay later for giving you that first 10g freebie because the warlock epic mount quest chain was the longest and most grueling quest chain in the game.
I remember leveling my second toon and having to grind the raptors east of Grom' Gol for 3 days just to get to level 40, there was no level 36 to 40 leveling are back then. That's right no Mudsprocket quest hub.
While there a blue shield spike dropped i can't remember if it was a pattern or the spike all i remember is that it was a BLUE lol. I sold it for 40g along with selling massive amounts of wool to get enough for my journeyman riding skill and mount.
All this nostalgia is all well and good, but let's be honest, if Blizzard didn't add expansions to the game, would anybody still be playing?
They could have expanded the game without changing (watering down) so many features.
Back then people liked running dungeons for blue armor sets, we liked quest chains that actually sent us into non-instanced areas filled with elites, we liked epic class specific quests, Mounts you had to work for, We liked world pvp (tauren Mill, Xroads), We liked World Raids, We liked 20/40 man progression, there were some great features to WoW back then.
Why couldnt the game expand that way?
They destroyed server communities by offering Xserver qeues, back before they did that people were famous not only for pve accomplishments but server wide for pvp! To this day I remember a hunter by the Name of Unicron.
Fucking guy was epic. You can't get that level of server recognition anymore. Now its all Personal item hunter and Server battlegroups where noone knows anyone. No more community, no more game world importance (world raids, epic non instanced dungeons, no more epic quests, no need for anything but solo play, dont even need to travel to a dungeon lol)...
Today's world of warcraft is but a shadow of its former self.
Addition: I've said my peace on thsi topic. for me todays WoW is a damn NGE of the original. This is a depressing topic and i refuse to waste anymore time on it. Have a good sunday everyone and enjoy what you enjoy. laterz
WoW had become entertainment imitating life; socialism, welfare for all, entitlements for little to nothing, being rewarded handsomely for losing; a utopia for special needs.
All this nostalgia is all well and good, but let's be honest, if Blizzard didn't add expansions to the game, would anybody still be playing?
They could have expanded the game without changing (watering down) so many features.
Back then people liked running dungeons for blue armor sets, we liked quest chains that actually sent us into non-instanced areas filled with elites, we liked epic class specific quests, Mounts you had to work for, We liked world pvp (tauren Mill, Xroads), We liked World Raids, We liked 20/40 man progression, there were some great features to WoW back then.
Why couldnt the game expand that way?
They destroyed server communities by offering Xserver qeues, back before they did that people were famous not only for pve accomplishments but server wide for pvp! To this day I remember a hunter by the Name of Unicron.
Fucking guy was epic. You can't get that level of server recognition anymore. Now its all Personal item hunter and Server battlegroups where noone knows anyone. No more community, no more game world importance (world raids, epic non instanced dungeons, no more epic quests, no need for anything but solo play, dont even need to travel to a dungeon lol)...
Today's world of warcraft is but a shadow of its former self.
I honestly didn't care for elite questlines outside of instances. It was nearly impossible to get any help if you didn't already know somebody. To be honest with you, if you didn't join with friends in the first place, I never found the WoW community particularly friendly. Not even in vanilla WoW.
I did like the world pvp, but not by force. As long as it was an optional only, I was all for it. They should have focused more on something like they did in Nagrand in BC. I thought that was a rather good idea. I rarely saw anyone doing it tho, since everybody went to bg's instead. Perhaps it would have worked better if they rewarded with better items than they did. But then again maybe not, I think bg's were just easier, so that's what people did, however much they may have complained.
What would you do for future expansions to give the game new life or at least a longer life?
You can't breathe new life to WoW; it died with TBC expansion.
Of course, if you ask Blizzard from a commercial point of view, they would say that now it is better than ever before. However, those people that played on launch know that the feeling of WoW will never be the same.
Nvm, it's only a game. Although I would say that the first year of playing WoW, back in 2005, was an oustanding experience that cannot be matched to this day.
Remember leveling in your early thirties in Alterac mountains? There was this stronghold that was occupied by humans on one side and Ogres on the other.
THe first year of WoW that area was all elites. You could walk into that area and it didnt matter what time of the day it was there were groups forming for those questlines on the bridge leading to that place.
Thats right a fucking LFG for a non-instanced elite dungeon, in region...
Thats the WoW i played. A game about community. You could go into an area fill up your quest log and with regional chat alone get a full group of players willing to clear their quest logs of that area together!!!
For the sake of convienence WoWs community was raped...
You can't breathe new life to WoW; it died with TBC expansion.
Of course, if you ask Blizzard from a commercial point of view, they would say that now it is better than ever before. However, those people that played on launch know that the feeling of WoW will never be the same.
Nvm, it's only a game. Although I would say that the first year of playing WoW, back in 2005, was an oustanding experience that cannot be matched to this day.
As long as they have a player base, they have something to work with. Very little is irredeemable...well, maybe SWG was from what I hear, but I never played that game. If your player base leaves like that, there's very little you can do to bring them back.
Remember leveling in your early thirties in Alterac mountains? There was this stronghold that was occupied by humans on one side and Ogres on the other.
THe first year of WoW that area was all elites. You could walk into that area and it didnt matter what time of the day it was there were groups forming for those questlines on the bridge leading to that place.
Thats right a fucking LFG for a non-instanced elite dungeon, in region...
Thats the WoW i played. A game about community. You could go into an area fill up your quest log and with regional chat alone get a full group of players willing to clear their quest logs of that area together!!!
For the sake of convienence WoWs community was raped...
Its almost criminal.
I only remember struggling to get people to help and being frustrated when noone would. Perhaps I came too late, or joined the wrong server, but getting help with any elite questline was very hard to do. Most people seemed to skip them entirely. I hated skipping quests, but often had no choice.
Now by level 10 your friends are scattered across the world, and you feel no sense of loyalty to them. The next day, you send them a tell, and you get a tell back saying WHO are you ?
What do you expect when you label every stranger you meet as 'friend'? Don't rely on everyone who happens to kill a mob next to you to become your friend.
agree. people say " friend " too easily and then are upset if they got backstabbed or betrayed by 99% unknown person at the end of the day.
Sure there is.......Listen to your base.......they know what they want.......Lucas Arts and SOE wanted to kill SWG....They did their best to try and turn it into a WOW and failed miserably.........I was soo pissed that I havent purchased anything with the SONY name on it since.......Thats probably 5-10 k counting TV's blue ray, etc.....all because they ignored their base....I haven't gave Lucas Arts too much money either........I too liked WOW at first but after 9 months or so and a few nerfs etc... grew tired because it was the same ole balance the game because of the whiners routine over at SOE......There is no such thing as a balanced world or combat....... just wishful thinking....I agree WOW was great at first, then the people that want to charge for a port showed up.......For a fantasy game, bringing real world greed and other bad behaviors made it suck faster.......Just a rant....I feel so much better 8)
You can't breathe new life to WoW; it died with TBC expansion.
Of course, if you ask Blizzard from a commercial point of view, they would say that now it is better than ever before. However, those people that played on launch know that the feeling of WoW will never be the same.
Nvm, it's only a game. Although I would say that the first year of playing WoW, back in 2005, was an oustanding experience that cannot be matched to this day.
As long as they have a player base, they have something to work with. Very little is irredeemable...well, maybe SWG was from what I hear, but I never played that game. If your player base leaves like that, there's very little you can do to bring them back.
Well, in SWG, you went to bed and your toon was say a Master Ranger/Master Creature handler and the next morning you woke up and both of your classes were gone. All that work and time....just gone. No notice, no nothing....gone.
You can't breathe new life to WoW; it died with TBC expansion.
Of course, if you ask Blizzard from a commercial point of view, they would say that now it is better than ever before. However, those people that played on launch know that the feeling of WoW will never be the same.
Nvm, it's only a game. Although I would say that the first year of playing WoW, back in 2005, was an oustanding experience that cannot be matched to this day.
As long as they have a player base, they have something to work with. Very little is irredeemable...well, maybe SWG was from what I hear, but I never played that game. If your player base leaves like that, there's very little you can do to bring them back.
Well, in SWG, you went to bed and your toon was say a Master Ranger/Master Creature handler and the next morning you woke up and both of your classes were gone. All that work and time....just gone. No notice, no nothing....gone.
That is how bad it was.
Stop lying, they told people what was coming.
This is why CHs were parking their biggest pets in the middle of the of space ports as a form of protest.
And now you can be a Beast Master so you can go back to play.
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Yeah, i was playing on a friends account a few months back and when i was around 18 with an UD warrior he told me to start saving up for a mount and i laughed at him because i thought by the time i hit 40 i could run around mining and sell enough copper bars or something in the AH for a couple days to get my mount. I told him this and he went on to tell be about the level 20 thing which i was mega surprised because the main thing that mounts did is give you the ability to avoid mobs. That was the cool thing for those 40 first levels, it actuallly felt like you were adventuring as you ran around ares trying to navigate to your quest spot while trying to avoid mobs.
At level twenty also makes Aspect of the Cheetah almost completely useless since you get that at level 16.
By the way, the cast time has also been cut in half.
MMEEEEEHHHHH!!!
First char was a lock... got my first mount for free
The first year of WoW was mostly just farming dungeons for blue sets. Things like Getting your epic mount and Valor set were all people cared about. A very small percentage cared about the early raid content.
And when i say early raid content im not talking about The post nerf content when Blizzard moved the T2 armor out of MC.
Im talking Pre-Bwl. before the raid armor even had its own unique look to it.
Very few raided. We were running UBRS 15 man and Scholo/Strat 10 man.
The arcanite reaper was king...
WoW was an amazing experience back then I would put my first 6-10 months in WoW against any time I played in any other mmo ever.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
Good game on release , but over the years Blizzard gave what the community wanted and now look at it!! Nothing more then a spoon feeder ......so sad.
I remember when it was rare to hear Chuck norris jokes, vaulgar language and excessive overtones.
I miss those days too
Now it's like the biggest cesspool of humanity online. It's gotten so bad that I now stay out of trade chat until I need to trade something.
Most conversations that go on in trade chat are racist, vulgar, etc.
There are decent people that play, you just don't hear from em much in trade chat or anything.
Yeah i remember those good old days i still play WoW im coming up on my sixth year so ive played it as long as its been out and its only been out for basically 6 years now in about a week or so anyways i remeber being in Stranglethorn Vale with my dad we were playing on our lvl 39 dwarf hunters we both had the gold for our mounts after an extreme amount of farming and when we both dinged i remeber i had typed in general chat "Ding level 40 finally i don"t need to walk anymore!!!" and i remeber getting about a gratz from almost everyone in the zone now if i were to do that i might not even get one. Now dont get me wrong i still love WoW but i remeber when it took like 3 months to get that one item from Molten Core and even though you thought this is BS it still hasn't dropped when you finally got it you jumped out of your chair sooo happy you got that weapon armour etc. and i loved how there were 8 set pieces not just 5 they really made it better in some ways but isn't an MMO supposed to be fun but hard as well it was about meeting friends and joining guilds to take out this giant epic boss and feel like you belonged there and those awesome 40 man raids instead of 25 or 10 it just made you feel really great. It was hard and i loved it WOTLK raids were great [ Except TOTC] but it was too easy. I cant wait for Cataclysm because there going back to Vanilla WoW raiding and i think that is going to be fantastic.I know this is mostly extremely off the topic but i thought i'd share that storey and how i feel about the game which is loads of fun but needs to start getting more difficult.
Say what you want to about nostalgia and rose-colored glasses, but Vanilla WoW DID have a much different feel to it than it did after BC.
Some changes:
Maybe just perception, but I feel as though the average age has slowly lowered as the game has gotten more popular. Back shortly after launch, I would say that the average age was around 18-19, mostly college students who more often than not were fans of the RTS games (I remember teasing the guys in the dorm across from mine about how much time they spent on which installment was out at the time a year or two before WoW launched).
Though it was certainly more grindy, the feeling of accomplishment was much more substantial. I remember when I completed the Wildheart set for my druid - I felt like it was just the greatest thing ever. I STILL have the Feralheart that I upgraded it to sitting in my bank, along with a 6/8 new version of Wildheart that I've been assembling for kicks.
The game just felt more social. I had a huge number of people on my friends list that I simply met while questing or the random person I banded together with to help help fiend off Hordies. I'll occassionally have that happen now, but it's FAR more rare that back then, mostly due to the fact that intra-realm instance groups are more or less dead and people you meet now in game seem to have the patience of a four year old on a sugar high.
I still find the game to be fun overall, but it definitely feels like it's missing something these days, and it's not the shiny new game aspect.
I hate the Dungeon finder,
I remember weekends were, get my stuff done in the morning. By afternoon, I would gather up my drinks, snacks take the phone off the hook. Then log in to find a group to do Scarlet Monastary.........Sure it was work.......Sure you had to fight your way in.......Sure people would quit, but you would always try and get a Warlock to Simmons others. It was sometimes three hours of fun. You never knew if you were gonna have a flop or a well oiled group. If so you would play all four, Library, Armory,Cathedral, and Grave yard.
It would sometimes take 30 to 45 min to get in and get settled but it was way fun. I usually made at least one REAL FRIEND on each run.
Oh yeah... I remember doing that,
and praying that I wouldnt get eaten by that damn croc. camping that little bridge...
I still think Blizzard put that croc there just to feed on all the level 5's & 10's that pass through on their way to Ironforge.
Nods, granted I'm much happier now that its great
Came back for 4.0.1 since leaving in 07 and WoW is just freaking awesome right now. Still stylised but the graphic quality and polish are unreal. Almost feel like I wasted the last three years playing LotRO, AoC, VG, EQ2, CO, Aion and WAR. Would add CoX but its the me and the wife game so meh.
Grinding gold wasting intelligent play, its was a grind. Lower cost of living isn't dumbing down.
Ah the days where 80% of level 60's still had a 60% mount. Ah yes, and the phrase "EPIC" mount was glorified. If you just graced your home city with your steed, people bowed to you in the streets, and begged for gold.
And if you saw a guy in full Tier1 with his Epic mount, you jizzed in your pants.
All this nostalgia is all well and good, but let's be honest, if Blizzard didn't add expansions to the game, would anybody still be playing? I mean really, there's only so many times you can do the same raids over and over. Then again, I'm shocked that people don't get bored doing them sooner than they do. They really need to add something to the game beyond the same old item grind. I suppose they are doing that with Cataclysm, giving people a whole new newbie experience, but I wonder if it'll be enough. I know it's not going to die anytime soon, and will probably always have a certain degree of success, but it does feel rather old to me now.
Maybe they need to start thinking outside the box and add some sandbox elements to the game. They could strengthen crafting and make it more intersesting and useful and at the same time improve the game economy. Wouldn't it be interesting if they let people loot pc bodies on pvp servers? That would probably cause a riot tho...they'd have to downgrade the importance of raid gear before doing that I suppose. It might be too drastic of a move. Anyway, it seems to me that they need to start thinking differently than they have before for future expansions.
You still had to pay for the training. Training was 50g at that time mounts were 10g unless you were a Warlock or a Paladin. I never had a pally, I played Horde. Blizzard made you pay later for giving you that first 10g freebie because the warlock epic mount quest chain was the longest and most grueling quest chain in the game.
I remember leveling my second toon and having to grind the raptors east of Grom' Gol for 3 days just to get to level 40, there was no level 36 to 40 leveling are back then. That's right no Mudsprocket quest hub.
While there a blue shield spike dropped i can't remember if it was a pattern or the spike all i remember is that it was a BLUE lol. I sold it for 40g along with selling massive amounts of wool to get enough for my journeyman riding skill and mount.
They could have expanded the game without changing (watering down) so many features.
Back then people liked running dungeons for blue armor sets, we liked quest chains that actually sent us into non-instanced areas filled with elites, we liked epic class specific quests, Mounts you had to work for, We liked world pvp (tauren Mill, Xroads), We liked World Raids, We liked 20/40 man progression, there were some great features to WoW back then.
Why couldnt the game expand that way?
They destroyed server communities by offering Xserver qeues, back before they did that people were famous not only for pve accomplishments but server wide for pvp! To this day I remember a hunter by the Name of Unicron.
Fucking guy was epic. You can't get that level of server recognition anymore. Now its all Personal item hunter and Server battlegroups where noone knows anyone. No more community, no more game world importance (world raids, epic non instanced dungeons, no more epic quests, no need for anything but solo play, dont even need to travel to a dungeon lol)...
Today's world of warcraft is but a shadow of its former self.
Addition: I've said my peace on thsi topic. for me todays WoW is a damn NGE of the original. This is a depressing topic and i refuse to waste anymore time on it. Have a good sunday everyone and enjoy what you enjoy. laterz
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
WoW had become entertainment imitating life; socialism, welfare for all, entitlements for little to nothing, being rewarded handsomely for losing; a utopia for special needs.
I honestly didn't care for elite questlines outside of instances. It was nearly impossible to get any help if you didn't already know somebody. To be honest with you, if you didn't join with friends in the first place, I never found the WoW community particularly friendly. Not even in vanilla WoW.
I did like the world pvp, but not by force. As long as it was an optional only, I was all for it. They should have focused more on something like they did in Nagrand in BC. I thought that was a rather good idea. I rarely saw anyone doing it tho, since everybody went to bg's instead. Perhaps it would have worked better if they rewarded with better items than they did. But then again maybe not, I think bg's were just easier, so that's what people did, however much they may have complained.
What would you do for future expansions to give the game new life or at least a longer life?
You can't breathe new life to WoW; it died with TBC expansion.
Of course, if you ask Blizzard from a commercial point of view, they would say that now it is better than ever before. However, those people that played on launch know that the feeling of WoW will never be the same.
Nvm, it's only a game. Although I would say that the first year of playing WoW, back in 2005, was an oustanding experience that cannot be matched to this day.
Remember leveling in your early thirties in Alterac mountains? There was this stronghold that was occupied by humans on one side and Ogres on the other.
THe first year of WoW that area was all elites. You could walk into that area and it didnt matter what time of the day it was there were groups forming for those questlines on the bridge leading to that place.
Thats right a fucking LFG for a non-instanced elite dungeon, in region...
Thats the WoW i played. A game about community. You could go into an area fill up your quest log and with regional chat alone get a full group of players willing to clear their quest logs of that area together!!!
For the sake of convienence WoWs community was raped...
Its almost criminal.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
As long as they have a player base, they have something to work with. Very little is irredeemable...well, maybe SWG was from what I hear, but I never played that game. If your player base leaves like that, there's very little you can do to bring them back.
I only remember struggling to get people to help and being frustrated when noone would. Perhaps I came too late, or joined the wrong server, but getting help with any elite questline was very hard to do. Most people seemed to skip them entirely. I hated skipping quests, but often had no choice.
agree. people say " friend " too easily and then are upset if they got backstabbed or betrayed by 99% unknown person at the end of the day.
Sure there is.......Listen to your base.......they know what they want.......Lucas Arts and SOE wanted to kill SWG....They did their best to try and turn it into a WOW and failed miserably.........I was soo pissed that I havent purchased anything with the SONY name on it since.......Thats probably 5-10 k counting TV's blue ray, etc.....all because they ignored their base....I haven't gave Lucas Arts too much money either........I too liked WOW at first but after 9 months or so and a few nerfs etc... grew tired because it was the same ole balance the game because of the whiners routine over at SOE......There is no such thing as a balanced world or combat....... just wishful thinking....I agree WOW was great at first, then the people that want to charge for a port showed up.......For a fantasy game, bringing real world greed and other bad behaviors made it suck faster.......Just a rant....I feel so much better 8)
Well, in SWG, you went to bed and your toon was say a Master Ranger/Master Creature handler and the next morning you woke up and both of your classes were gone. All that work and time....just gone. No notice, no nothing....gone.
That is how bad it was.
Stop lying, they told people what was coming.
This is why CHs were parking their biggest pets in the middle of the of space ports as a form of protest.
And now you can be a Beast Master so you can go back to play.
MMEEEEEHHHHH!!!