I can stare at my gfs ass all day. i dont need to look at some polygon female ass to get off while i play. I play a male because thats what i am. Its like who i would want to be in that fantasy world.. It seems that guys that dont care about immersion go the female character route, while we who play males see our characters as an extension of ourselves. If you see the game as just a game then ur more inclined to play female.
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Originally posted by aleos I play a male character because i am a male. I have no sexual desire twords my or any avatar for that matter. I played with G.I joes, not barbies. My avatar is to represent me, not my sister.
Refer to your own sidequote there.
Did you just tell me to jack off to my avatar while dressed in my sisters clothes playing with barbies?
no, he told you that you lack imagination. I agree.
Usually, it's hard for most to imagine themselves as an extension in another form in a distant universe. Oh boy. You know, because you play a female, it does not mean you have to act like a female. you can choose to do either of the following:
1)act like a female would. 2)act like a male would. 3) act like you think a female would. 4)act the way you'd like a female to act.
you're saying "i can't be a female, i don't know how". I'm literarly telling you that "you dont' have to. You can act how you'd want a female to act, how you think a female would act or not like a female at all.". I don't understand why you'd assume you have to be a female in all actions because your character is. It's a fantasy MMO. Add some fantasy to your female. if it matches real life entirely, there's no fantasy there. If you are bound by real-life behavior, there's no fantasy there.
you can do that or you can break completely away from real-life standards. That's the beauty of fantasy.
I didn't realize I said anything about how one should choose to act. I just made a simple note of an observed behavior of other players.
I play as male because I put myself into the world as that character for immersion purposes. I honestly can't do that if I play a female. If you play a female, why are you staring at her @$$ and not the game?
Because the majority of time spent in MMOs is in standing around, waiting for things to happen. That's a perfect time to start messing with the vanity camera angles.
Deny it, what do you spend the majority of your time in an MMO doing? Standing around in Ogrimmar gabbing in chat lines? Waiting on a group to assemble? Waiting for a minigame to start? Waiting on travel from point A to point B?
MMOs are 80% waiting.
And most statistics are made up :P. So you spend this time staring at your character? I bore rather easily and either talk in Guild Chat (known my guildies since Molten Core raiding, so plenty to talk about) or alt-tab out and browse these forums. I'm not sure how staring at your characters ass is entertaining, but do what you want with your time.
Someone told me I was gay for playing a female character.
I retorted with: At least I don't like looking at a male's backside the whole game!
So, people (some people anyway), seem to not get why males play female characters. The reason for me is not to get free l33t, but its because I'm not into looking at male a** all the time. I prefer females, not men...but thats just me.
Seems some people are always confused about males playing females, but to me, its more confusing a male playing another male and looking at his backside the whole time (unless he is into that, then I guess whatever, I don't care).
Kind of tired of getting complaints that I should play a male when I am a male...no thanks..got kicked out of my WoW guild because of it, one of the reasons I posted this here.
That line in red above is the saddest thing I ever heard. I ask the same question about why people play a girl if they are a guy. If it is just simply they think the girl character looks cooler, that is fine.
However, if you say you play a girl character in a game to stare at her backside, it is just really sad and you shouldn't even be playing games, you shoudl be out trying to get rid of your virgin tag.
What normal person would be staring at their characters "backside" all game long? You usually look at the game from overhead view or really zoomed out or at different angles, rarely are you at a low angle directly behind your character with the backside zoomed in.....
Again, you really make yourself seem like a sad individual with that line you gave. Not insulting you, just letting you know that is not normal.
I'm not sure how staring at your characters ass is entertaining, but do what you want with your time.
Trust me, it is.
I for one bore easily, and I mean *easily*. The only thing I play femchars in as of late is Vindictus, and if I spend too much time on a boat waiting for something to happen, I'm likely to stare at my character's proportions, then find a new boat once that gets boring.
From experience, other games like WoW have an incredible deluge of players simply wasting their time. This can be seen in any hubtown... any of them. Where other people are out doing stuff, they are just standing around doing nothing, probably trying to figure out something to do. So in essence, to a lot of people these games *are* simply pay-to-play chatrooms with another statistic on how much time is wasted that I can yank from my butt.
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Males playing females for roleplaying purposes = ok
Males playing females to look at their arses = freaky
Males roleplaying their wedding night (male character) with their wife (female character, male player) = kinda uncomfortable :P
It was a mud!! :P
Wow, no...
To most posters here I am damn sure that;
Males playing females for roleplaying purposes = gay
Males playing females to look at their arses = sad
After all, the entire argument has been that if you project yourself into a female toon, it means you have a gender identity crisis? Correct? (not whether it's correct, just that this has been the argument the whole friggin time so far)
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I play a male character because i am a male. I have no sexual desire twords my or any avatar for that matter. I played with G.I joes, not barbies. My avatar is to represent me, not my sister.
Refer to your own sidequote there.
Did you just tell me to jack off to my avatar while dressed in my sisters clothes playing with barbies?
no, he told you that you lack imagination. I agree.
You caught me. Projecting my own image onto an avatar that isn't female is purely un-imaginative.
So wanting to play as a fictional version of myself is "stroking my ego"?
Tis a sad day on mmorpg.com indeed.. I fear that i have been stroking my ego for far too long it seems.. Perhaps I should be more like you, step outside of myself and just jump right into playing female characters.. At least I wouldn't have to stroke my huge ego anymore than it already has I suppose..
Yes, it is. It doesn't mean you should play femchars, it means you should play *any* char without the connection that *it* = *you*. You can take it any way you want, but I find this mode of thought (which TONS of the posters in this thread carry) to be extremely sad.
And seriously as far as the whole "living out my fantasy", because i prefer to play a fictional me. That cuts both ways good sir.. And you mean to tell me that some of these males who play female characters don't have a "fantasy" of being a woman? Would you not make that connection anywhere?
Are you seriously going to suppose that Chris Crocker is the posterchild for all males that play females in-game?
Even gay people play as dudes, because they aren't confused about what gender they are - they are just *gay*.
Get your facts straight homeboy, you disappoint both straight men and gays alike with your stupid viewpoint on this. Not all gays are getting the snip-surgery to become women you know... ffs. seriously.
Never said "ALL" homeslice.. So FFS, seriously, understand what you are reading dawg.. Homeskillet..
The sh-t you just typed in that response is the type self righteous indignation that gets under my black skin the most. You just couldn't leave alone the fact that he used "homeboy" in his repsonse without some sort of inappropriate witless rebuttal because you don't like being called a "homeboy". Completely oblivious to the fact that juust maybe he's only allowing a small part of himself surface in this discussion.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Someone told me I was gay for playing a female character.
I retorted with: At least I don't like looking at a male's backside the whole game!
So, people (some people anyway), seem to not get why males play female characters. The reason for me is not to get free l33t, but its because I'm not into looking at male a** all the time. I prefer females, not men...but thats just me.
Seems some people are always confused about males playing females, but to me, its more confusing a male playing another male and looking at his backside the whole time (unless he is into that, then I guess whatever, I don't care).
Kind of tired of getting complaints that I should play a male when I am a male...no thanks..got kicked out of my WoW guild because of it, one of the reasons I posted this here.
Guys choose gender based on one of 3 criteria.
People like me: To me, my character is a projection of ME into the gameworld. As I am not a female, I woldn't project myself as a female into a world. It would just be "weird." Many people share this view, but they also feel that EVERYONE should have that view. If you are projecting a female self into the world, there must be something wrong with you.
People who want eye candy: To them, they are playing a game with eye candy. That being said, they want pleasing eye candy. Generally that means when it comes to characters, they want something that is easy on the eyes to stare out time after time. This means genearlly Female Characters.
People who want easy loot: Not sure how true it is these days compared to older EQ days, but, guys like to flirt w/ girls. Female chars tended to be helped more, and given more stuff all for the price of being flirted with. Some Guys would go female just to get that easy help/loot.
You forgot the 4th reason and one that used to be the most important. In FPS games the females were slimmer and smaller and in may cases that led to the hit box being smaller as well. So many people went female to make themselves smaller targets.
As for GTwander saying 80% of MMO time is spent waiting around, not in any game I play. I always find something to do that does not include waiting for people. If the wait is a few minutes they can catch up and kill whats left. I do not pay to use a chat room with graphics.
I would almost group that up with reason 3. Which really boils down to "It has an in-game advantage"
I play a male because I like to immerse myself into a game. Also i don't want the creepy role-players hitting on me.
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If you only play as a man because you want to immerse yourself in the rpg world, then why should you even draw yourself out of the immersion to wonder what the female toon is in real life.
From what i'm reading it's not the men playing as women that are the problem. Its the other men playing as men that want to know what sex you really are in real life.
Whatever those reasons for caring are, they are probably the thing that needs to be discussed.
Not really. Wanting to know a person's real life gender, age or whatever else in an MMO is no more an issue than it is on these boards that we list our gender and ages and even places of birth.
Understandably a lot of people don't want to be known. Playing their character and completing objectives with others is contact enough. But people form friendships in MMOs and with that comes knowing more about one another.
A guy playing a girl who doesn't want anyone to know they're actually guy has three really easy decisions to choose from:
1. Don't form friendships.
2. Lie if the perfectly understandable question ever comes up when friendships are formed.
3. What I assume a majority of males playing female avatars do, be open about being a guy playing a girl and treat it as much a non-issue as a guy playing a guy which it is.
Everyone being reasonable to everyone works best. Most people don't give a shit who plays what for what reason.
If you only play as a man because you want to immerse yourself in the rpg world, then why should you even draw yourself out of the immersion to wonder what the female toon is in real life.
From what i'm reading it's not the men playing as women that are the problem. Its the other men playing as men that want to know what sex you really are in real life.
Whatever those reasons for caring are, they are probably the thing that needs to be discussed.
Not really. Wanting to know a person's real life gender, age or whatever else in an MMO is no more an issue than it is on these boards that we list our gender and ages and even places of birth.
Yeah, but that's an option.
It's safe to assume that those who refrained from listing these things simply don't want others to know this stuff. Much like people playing a game that would rather have others mind their own bidness.
You'd be surprised how easy it is to say "yeah, I'm a dude" when asked, even if being asked in the first place is *awkward* as all hell. I for one never ask, because I don't care. Those that do ask obviously care to the point of it being strange.
Does it matter? If so, how differently are you goign to act around them, or even treat them if you find out they are chicks in RL?
It's no surprise most chicks online don't want to let the cat out of the bag, and yet those that do simply *want* the special attention. I've seen both sides of that coin many times.
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Oh i thought when people said they wanted to be immersed in the game they meant the entire time they play the game.
I guess you can unimmerse at any time and ask people real life questions, make chuck norris jokes, and talk racial and political trash. If thats the case then your not immersed in anything. Well so much for the imersion side of the arguement.
Oh i thought when people said they wanted to be immersed in the game they meant the entire time they play the game.
I guess you can unimmerse at any time and ask people real life questions, make chuck norris jokes, and talk racial and political trash. If thats the case then your not immersed in anything. Well so much for the imersion side of the arguement.
Exactly.
It boils down to using games as a method of social networking, Aka the facebook, in order to find an unlikely hookup with some chick to obsess over that is thousands of miles away from you. Stalking must be that much more fun when the distance to the target is greater.
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Oh i thought when people said they wanted to be immersed in the game they meant the entire time they play the game.
I guess you can unimmerse at any time and ask people real life questions, make chuck norris jokes, and talk racial and political trash. If thats the case then your not immersed in anything. Well so much for the imersion side of the arguement.
Even for a hardcore roleplayer there will be out of character moments.
If it bothers you, don't roleplay.....I'm a guy who plays female characters because I 'd rather stare at a womans bum all day........I tell everyone up front ......There was a young kid in our SWG guild that got a crush on another character that was in RL a gay man........He was embarased and didn't log for a few weeks, but nobody made fun of him ...Be up front and nobody gets hurt.....
If it bothers you, don't roleplay.....I'm a guy who plays female characters because I 'd rather stare at a womans bum all day........I tell everyone up front ......There was a young kid in our SWG guild that got a crush on another character that was in RL a gay man........He was embarased and didn't log for a few weeks, but nobody made fun of him ...Be up front and nobody gets hurt.....
Strange, because I still can't see a gay dude playing as a chick unless it was for the sole intent of baiting other guys into talking to him "in that way". Gay dudes still see themselves as *dudes*, unless they actually plan on changing that. *snip*
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Males playing females for roleplaying purposes = ok
Males playing females to look at their arses = freaky
Males roleplaying their wedding night (male character) with their wife (female character, male player) = kinda uncomfortable :P
It was a mud!! :P
Wow, no...
To most posters here I am damn sure that;
Males playing females for roleplaying purposes = gay
Males playing females to look at their arses = sad
After all, the entire argument has been that if you project yourself into a female toon, it means you have a gender identity crisis? Correct? (not whether it's correct, just that this has been the argument the whole friggin time so far)
If you're roleplaying then you would be projecting yourself into your character, but most people do not roleplay on mmo's and never will as its not condusive to roleplaying. Oh and roleplaying is acting really so if your not that way then it might seem a little gay, but if you don't fancy men or want to shag them then you aren't gay you know...same as wearing womens clothes, doesn't mean your gay, doesn't even matter unless your getting off on it.
I would say the people who do the above are actually more mature in their gender orientation than people who get freaked out by it :P
Any guy tho that says they look at their avatars bum is as you say sad. Its pixels, but these are probably the same guys that get turned on from japanese cartoons with tenticles and stuff like that :P
BTW I was adding a bit of funnies, and yes I actuallly did that back in the day of MUDS
Oh i thought when people said they wanted to be immersed in the game they meant the entire time they play the game.
I guess you can unimmerse at any time and ask people real life questions, make chuck norris jokes, and talk racial and political trash. If thats the case then your not immersed in anything. Well so much for the imersion side of the arguement.
Yeah I think immersion is a weak stance as well. I think you have 4 types of players:
Those that pick their gender based on how others perceive them.
Those that pick their gender based on how they perceive others.
Those that pick their gender based on how they perceive themselves.
Those that pick their gender from reading a game's class descriptions.
I happen to be the last type of player.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Any guy tho that says they look at their avatars bum is as you say sad. Its pixels, but these are probably the same guys that get turned on from japanese cartoons with tenticles and stuff like that :P
C'mon man. A lot of people draw the line way before tenticle porn.
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Oh i thought when people said they wanted to be immersed in the game they meant the entire time they play the game.
I guess you can unimmerse at any time and ask people real life questions, make chuck norris jokes, and talk racial and political trash. If thats the case then your not immersed in anything. Well so much for the imersion side of the arguement.
Yeah I think immersion is a weak stance as well. I think you have 4 types of players:
Those that pick their gender based on how others perceive them.
Those that pick their gender based on how they perceive others.
Those that pick their gender based on how they perceive themselves.
Those that pick their gender from reading a game's class descriptions.
I happen to be the last type of player.
I think you missed;
Those that pick their gender based on aesthetics
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If you only play as a man because you want to immerse yourself in the rpg world, then why should you even draw yourself out of the immersion to wonder what the female toon is in real life.
From what i'm reading it's not the men playing as women that are the problem. Its the other men playing as men that want to know what sex you really are in real life.
Whatever those reasons for caring are, they are probably the thing that needs to be discussed.
Not really. Wanting to know a person's real life gender, age or whatever else in an MMO is no more an issue than it is on these boards that we list our gender and ages and even places of birth.
Yeah, but that's an option.
It's safe to assume that those who refrained from listing these things simply don't want others to know this stuff. Much like people playing a game that would rather have others mind their own bidness.
You'd be surprised how easy it is to say "yeah, I'm a dude" when asked, even if being asked in the first place is *awkward* as all hell. I for one never ask, because I don't care. Those that do ask obviously care to the point of it being strange.
Does it matter? If so, how differently are you goign to act around them, or even treat them if you find out they are chicks in RL?
It's no surprise most chicks online don't want to let the cat out of the bag, and yet those that do simply *want* the special attention. I've seen both sides of that coin many times.
Context is everything, which is why I brought up 'friendships' which aren't an alien occurrence to MMOs. It's one scenario where wondering about a person beyond whatever game isn't strange at all.
I believe a large majority of cynicism like yours is based on stereotypical negatives rather than actual every day experiences playing an MMO. At least for me, every guild I've ever joined and bothered sticking around in weren't masses of distant anonymity; everyone knew everyone to an extent and chats on message boards or vent even while not playing. That doesn't mean everyone is doing their taxes together or even knows each others kids' names and doings, but the friendships aren't so shallow that gender and even age are off limits.
I mean hell, if typically everyone that plays MMOs were that distant and easily offended by being known, something like BlizzCon or all the gaming conventions out there with an MMO presence would be completely impossible. Knowing one's real gender seems trivial stacked up against all the guild sites with real life photo galleries, things like WoW's new RealID implementation, and boards like these where we share that kind of info anyway. Non-issue.
Oh i thought when people said they wanted to be immersed in the game they meant the entire time they play the game.
I guess you can unimmerse at any time and ask people real life questions, make chuck norris jokes, and talk racial and political trash. If thats the case then your not immersed in anything. Well so much for the imersion side of the arguement.
Yeah I think immersion is a weak stance as well. I think you have 4 types of players:
Those that pick their gender based on how others perceive them.
Those that pick their gender based on how they perceive others.
Those that pick their gender based on how they perceive themselves.
Those that pick their gender from reading a game's class descriptions.
Everytime I see the " I play a female toon because I don't want to stare ata male's ass all day" sentiment makes me laugh. Seriously are you staring at your character's ass all day? I play male characters, I am a male and in this respect I prefer my character to essentially be an extension of my personality in the game. I don't stare at the character's ass at all. Granted I am playing LotRO right now so the cloak covers up the ass but still, if there was no cloak I wouldn't state at his ass at all. Perhaps one could spend more time paying attention to what the character is doing or what is going on in the gameworld around the character, or if the game is so boring or visually unimpressive that all one has to look at is one's character's ass alll day, might want to look for a more fun or good looking gameworld.
You want to stare at your character's ass all day, more power to ya. Personally, I have no need or desire to form any sexual connection to my character, male or female.
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I can stare at my gfs ass all day. i dont need to look at some polygon female ass to get off while i play. I play a male because thats what i am. Its like who i would want to be in that fantasy world.. It seems that guys that dont care about immersion go the female character route, while we who play males see our characters as an extension of ourselves. If you see the game as just a game then ur more inclined to play female.
Refer to your own sidequote there.
Did you just tell me to jack off to my avatar while dressed in my sisters clothes playing with barbies?
no, he told you that you lack imagination. I agree.
Usually, it's hard for most to imagine themselves as an extension in another form in a distant universe.
Oh boy.
You know, because you play a female, it does not mean you have to act like a female.
you can choose to do either of the following:
1)act like a female would.
2)act like a male would.
3) act like you think a female would.
4)act the way you'd like a female to act.
you're saying "i can't be a female, i don't know how". I'm literarly telling you that "you dont' have to. You can act how you'd want a female to act, how you think a female would act or not like a female at all.".
I don't understand why you'd assume you have to be a female in all actions because your character is. It's a fantasy MMO. Add some fantasy to your female. if it matches real life entirely, there's no fantasy there. If you are bound by real-life behavior, there's no fantasy there.
you can do that or you can break completely away from real-life standards. That's the beauty of fantasy.
I didn't realize I said anything about how one should choose to act. I just made a simple note of an observed behavior of other players.
And most statistics are made up :P. So you spend this time staring at your character? I bore rather easily and either talk in Guild Chat (known my guildies since Molten Core raiding, so plenty to talk about) or alt-tab out and browse these forums. I'm not sure how staring at your characters ass is entertaining, but do what you want with your time.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
That line in red above is the saddest thing I ever heard. I ask the same question about why people play a girl if they are a guy. If it is just simply they think the girl character looks cooler, that is fine.
However, if you say you play a girl character in a game to stare at her backside, it is just really sad and you shouldn't even be playing games, you shoudl be out trying to get rid of your virgin tag.
What normal person would be staring at their characters "backside" all game long? You usually look at the game from overhead view or really zoomed out or at different angles, rarely are you at a low angle directly behind your character with the backside zoomed in.....
Again, you really make yourself seem like a sad individual with that line you gave. Not insulting you, just letting you know that is not normal.
GAME TIL YOU DIE!!!!
Trust me, it is.
I for one bore easily, and I mean *easily*. The only thing I play femchars in as of late is Vindictus, and if I spend too much time on a boat waiting for something to happen, I'm likely to stare at my character's proportions, then find a new boat once that gets boring.
From experience, other games like WoW have an incredible deluge of players simply wasting their time. This can be seen in any hubtown... any of them. Where other people are out doing stuff, they are just standing around doing nothing, probably trying to figure out something to do. So in essence, to a lot of people these games *are* simply pay-to-play chatrooms with another statistic on how much time is wasted that I can yank from my butt.
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Males playing females for roleplaying purposes = ok
Males playing females to look at their arses = freaky
Males roleplaying their wedding night (male character) with their wife (female character, male player) = kinda uncomfortable :P
It was a mud!! :P
Wow, no...
To most posters here I am damn sure that;
Males playing females for roleplaying purposes = gay
Males playing females to look at their arses = sad
After all, the entire argument has been that if you project yourself into a female toon, it means you have a gender identity crisis? Correct? (not whether it's correct, just that this has been the argument the whole friggin time so far)
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You caught me. Projecting my own image onto an avatar that isn't female is purely un-imaginative.
The sh-t you just typed in that response is the type self righteous indignation that gets under my black skin the most. You just couldn't leave alone the fact that he used "homeboy" in his repsonse without some sort of inappropriate witless rebuttal because you don't like being called a "homeboy". Completely oblivious to the fact that juust maybe he's only allowing a small part of himself surface in this discussion.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
I would almost group that up with reason 3. Which really boils down to "It has an in-game advantage"
So long, and thanks for all the fish!
I play a male because I like to immerse myself into a game. Also i don't want the creepy role-players hitting on me.
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Any person who expresses rage and loathing for an MMO is preposterous. He or she is like a person who has put on full armor and attacked a hot fudge sundae.
Not really. Wanting to know a person's real life gender, age or whatever else in an MMO is no more an issue than it is on these boards that we list our gender and ages and even places of birth.
Understandably a lot of people don't want to be known. Playing their character and completing objectives with others is contact enough. But people form friendships in MMOs and with that comes knowing more about one another.
A guy playing a girl who doesn't want anyone to know they're actually guy has three really easy decisions to choose from:
1. Don't form friendships.
2. Lie if the perfectly understandable question ever comes up when friendships are formed.
3. What I assume a majority of males playing female avatars do, be open about being a guy playing a girl and treat it as much a non-issue as a guy playing a guy which it is.
Everyone being reasonable to everyone works best. Most people don't give a shit who plays what for what reason.
Yeah, but that's an option.
It's safe to assume that those who refrained from listing these things simply don't want others to know this stuff. Much like people playing a game that would rather have others mind their own bidness.
You'd be surprised how easy it is to say "yeah, I'm a dude" when asked, even if being asked in the first place is *awkward* as all hell. I for one never ask, because I don't care. Those that do ask obviously care to the point of it being strange.
Does it matter? If so, how differently are you goign to act around them, or even treat them if you find out they are chicks in RL?
It's no surprise most chicks online don't want to let the cat out of the bag, and yet those that do simply *want* the special attention. I've seen both sides of that coin many times.
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Oh i thought when people said they wanted to be immersed in the game they meant the entire time they play the game.
I guess you can unimmerse at any time and ask people real life questions, make chuck norris jokes, and talk racial and political trash. If thats the case then your not immersed in anything. Well so much for the imersion side of the arguement.
Exactly.
It boils down to using games as a method of social networking, Aka the facebook, in order to find an unlikely hookup with some chick to obsess over that is thousands of miles away from you. Stalking must be that much more fun when the distance to the target is greater.
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Even for a hardcore roleplayer there will be out of character moments.
If it bothers you, don't roleplay.....I'm a guy who plays female characters because I 'd rather stare at a womans bum all day........I tell everyone up front ......There was a young kid in our SWG guild that got a crush on another character that was in RL a gay man........He was embarased and didn't log for a few weeks, but nobody made fun of him ...Be up front and nobody gets hurt.....
Strange, because I still can't see a gay dude playing as a chick unless it was for the sole intent of baiting other guys into talking to him "in that way". Gay dudes still see themselves as *dudes*, unless they actually plan on changing that. *snip*
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If you're roleplaying then you would be projecting yourself into your character, but most people do not roleplay on mmo's and never will as its not condusive to roleplaying. Oh and roleplaying is acting really so if your not that way then it might seem a little gay, but if you don't fancy men or want to shag them then you aren't gay you know...same as wearing womens clothes, doesn't mean your gay, doesn't even matter unless your getting off on it.
I would say the people who do the above are actually more mature in their gender orientation than people who get freaked out by it :P
Any guy tho that says they look at their avatars bum is as you say sad. Its pixels, but these are probably the same guys that get turned on from japanese cartoons with tenticles and stuff like that :P
BTW I was adding a bit of funnies, and yes I actuallly did that back in the day of MUDS
Yeah I think immersion is a weak stance as well. I think you have 4 types of players:
Those that pick their gender based on how others perceive them.
Those that pick their gender based on how they perceive others.
Those that pick their gender based on how they perceive themselves.
Those that pick their gender from reading a game's class descriptions.
I happen to be the last type of player.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
C'mon man. A lot of people draw the line way before tenticle porn.
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I think you missed;
Those that pick their gender based on aesthetics
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Context is everything, which is why I brought up 'friendships' which aren't an alien occurrence to MMOs. It's one scenario where wondering about a person beyond whatever game isn't strange at all.
I believe a large majority of cynicism like yours is based on stereotypical negatives rather than actual every day experiences playing an MMO. At least for me, every guild I've ever joined and bothered sticking around in weren't masses of distant anonymity; everyone knew everyone to an extent and chats on message boards or vent even while not playing. That doesn't mean everyone is doing their taxes together or even knows each others kids' names and doings, but the friendships aren't so shallow that gender and even age are off limits.
I mean hell, if typically everyone that plays MMOs were that distant and easily offended by being known, something like BlizzCon or all the gaming conventions out there with an MMO presence would be completely impossible. Knowing one's real gender seems trivial stacked up against all the guild sites with real life photo galleries, things like WoW's new RealID implementation, and boards like these where we share that kind of info anyway. Non-issue.
That's my take anyway.
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"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Everytime I see the " I play a female toon because I don't want to stare ata male's ass all day" sentiment makes me laugh. Seriously are you staring at your character's ass all day? I play male characters, I am a male and in this respect I prefer my character to essentially be an extension of my personality in the game. I don't stare at the character's ass at all. Granted I am playing LotRO right now so the cloak covers up the ass but still, if there was no cloak I wouldn't state at his ass at all. Perhaps one could spend more time paying attention to what the character is doing or what is going on in the gameworld around the character, or if the game is so boring or visually unimpressive that all one has to look at is one's character's ass alll day, might want to look for a more fun or good looking gameworld.
You want to stare at your character's ass all day, more power to ya. Personally, I have no need or desire to form any sexual connection to my character, male or female.