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FFXIV lvl 20 Lancer vs tera lvl 21 lancer.
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There is a small narrow gap between "few months" and "2 years". Can you see it?
This is a silly comparison...
One video is a player, fighting an everyday mob solo.
The other is a team based boss fight...err sorry elite mob....
One is a damage dealing class, while the other is apparantly a tank.
Not too mention they are 2 different types of games. One with more traditional mmo combat, and another trying to break the mold with more action.
Honestly, combat looked like what i expected in FFXIV, but Tera, while it started off exciting it looked boring after a few minutes.
Looks can be deceiving though, some of my favorite games ever weren't very fun to watch...but hey, watching isn't what games are for.
I hope both games end up great successes.
I wish tera was out now or there was more information on it at least so that you people could play it or at least post about it on its own forum rather than here since I couldn't possibly care less about that game.
Since you are here though I find it rather ridiculous to be fighting such mobs at rank 20 and solo (not to mention the models seem cheaply thrown together and tacky), but who cares like I said I'll never be playing it anyways so you have fun with that and your "awesome" fast paced combat.
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If you don't want to hear anything about specific other games or comparisons made to them I have a place for you: FFXIV fansites.
Gimme a sec, I'm looking for videos to compare starcraft 2 and Supreme Commander.... Same genre, very different goals to gameplay.
I'm going to try tera, but boy oh boy how many times an incoming mmo has seemed like it was the shiznit, only to last for a while until... oh look an awesome mmo is on the way!
and also... theres more awesome monsters along the road with FFXIV, though I do agree its a rather boring selection up until 30. Though I have seen the "cooler" monsters and I can guess what type of monsters they are likely to have later in the game and etc, which is great for me who loves the whole series.
In the end, I'm expecting more from FFXIV but I'm also already having fun. I hope tera will be good, if it ends up being better then FFXIV, then great... I dont see how thats a bad thing as I want to play as much of a fun game as possible, but you do realise they are two different games right and just because you prefer what you saw in the tera video doesnt mean everyone does.
Also from the comments btw in that video for tera, apparently you showed a video of a awesome tera player and what seemed to be a pretty average ffxiv player?
Personally I have to constantly make sure I got my shield up, try and get every counter in when monsters hit my shield, decide whether I should sacrifice stamina for a heal or will I be able to hit my next two attacks and kill them before I am killed.
Anyway.. I have no idea why anyone would make this post, its kind of like me finding a picture of you and then of albert einstein and saying "hey look at this guy and look at this one" and then insinuate isnt it clear that one of them when compared is one that we shouldnt listen to, I mean its not like he has his own qualities and personality, he simply is worse because he doesnt have as much to show for.
for people who dont feel like reading alot, lets all be friends? (>O.o)>
Funnily enough, I found this while browsing yesterday:
I was leveling Gladiator and looking forward to Sentinel 10 so I could get Aegis Boon and see what it did. 1min cool-down, roughly 10secs of chance to heal yourself when you block. So, if I happen to have my shield up in time, and the mob happens to hit me in that narrow 10sec window, I get healed for 15 HP...
—FFXIV, the only MMO where 10 seconds is a narrow window.
Fansites are making the same complaints now, only with 70 layers of sugar coating. Personally I don't like sugar I'd rather just look at the facts and see what there is to see clearly without all the rainbows and roses getting all up in my grill. If you look at what a lot of people say about the game both perma-fans and boycotters you can see most of the complaints line up perfectly with each other. It's just the delivery and severity of the backlash that is the difference. Personally I think players should all thank the people who had the testicular fortitude to stand up and tell SE to shove it where the sun don't shine. That's what got the ball rolling on the "fixes" in the first place and critics deserve more repect and gratitude for what they have done for the MMO community in general.
The thing about the monster "upgrades" I see from FF14 is that many of them appear to be size orientated with color differences and minor model variations. A brown insect model is recolored to purple and a tail is added. That's cool and all that there is a bit more variety but it looks like more copy paste work from them. They should be adding actual new monsters instead of "modding" the old models and changing a couple easy features. People would be more interested in bosses that are actually unique.
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This thread pretty much sums up my frustration with the current state of monsters in FFXIV. There are absolutely no monsters in this game- not even the highest tier creatures- that are even close to the size and intimidation level of the boss mobs in TERA. Half the time battles with monsters are dependent on whether the ridiculously unreliable Dexterity stat causes your lancer to miss several critical hits in a row. Repeatedly causing a player to fail against those stupid belching birds after 80+ hours of playing is not a way to encourage new players to invest a great deal more time in the game.
This video from Rocs Lock is pretty much the cream of the crop in terms of showing intense party based gameplay in XIV, but it took a staggering amount of grinding to reach that point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vepenIM7-_Q
This shows a really damn good lancer:
http://www.youtube.com/user/HiddenPowerLS#p/a/u/0/ifxjjMwZ9KI
Perhaps if this sort of gameplay was available from the START of the game, players would feel like their involved in epic quests rather than just getting their ass handed to them repeatedly by fluffy woodland animals.
Hey guys, cut out the personal attacks and trolling. Thanks.
If you are a Ranger with a Bow and switch to a Rifle how does that change your role? Show me a video of Guild Wars 2 Group Combat where its different from other mmos. I know you can jump and dodge but from what I have seen its Auto Lock where everybody is just a Damage Dealer.
I dont much care for the style of game that Tera looks like it will be. Its too over the top and unbelievable. That big ole guy should be able to crush that lancer with his pinky toe.
FFXIV needs some work, but I sure hope that they dont go in that direction.
20 lancer fighting dodos is pretty weak, though the point wouldnt have changed much had they pitted him against more level apropriate targets like goats, antelope or giant crabs. I have seen some cool looking mobs in FFXIV, though you wont be soloing them at level 20.
You dont have to have your shield up or anything, you activate aegis boon and the shield goes up, if you are using a smaller lighter shield versus a heavy one like a tower shield, the ability will last longer since it works like a regular guard.
Also its a great ability that not only heals you for a small amount but also negates all damage, immensely valuable skill for a tank. My aegis boon doesnt last 10 sec I think since i use a tower shield.
Now to the real point.... you quoted a guy and put in a little line to make fun of the game? Okey.... name one game, any game and I will come back to you with a quote and a clever little line at the end of how stupid it is.
Point is that you can find anyone saying incorrect things and then just make fun of it without bothering to actually find out if its true or not... in your case, you just found someone saying something that anyone could say about anygame...
"<insert game> is stupid, I was using my new ability on a monster but it only lasts 10 seconds, how am I supposed to make anything of it in such a narrow window?"
Please refrain from future twisted truths, one incompetent player does not summarize a game.
Actually in GW2 all classes can do all roles needed in the party which is control(instead of tanking),Dpsing(no need to explain),healing(healing is self-suffiicient as there is no dedicated healing class in the game) .
Well that means that there are no roles as I thought. Everybody is just a Damage Dealer and this is supposed to be better than a game where you will have an actual purpose in a group? Thats a step backwards imo and if thats the case Guild Wars 2 will be a game that I will probaly pass on totally.
I don't think adding new monsters is going to help any, with the type of combat mechanics SE seems to love.
Unless SE redoes every mechanic to allow for use of skills while moving or make them more fluid, i don't think it will matter.
The way they have it set up with all mobs having ranged attacks and the annoying player animation locks, you can pretty much bet every fight is going to be a tank and spank dps race.
Who said everybody is just a damage dealer?You'll need somebody to control the mobs and when your team mates are down you'll have to wake them up or resurrect them if they're dead,everything can be done in combat including switching spec(i.e switch roles),your skills also change when you equip different weapon, and a lot more.I suggest you research more about the game before making ignorant statement.
Come on, Ald- you were one of the people saying they can't nor won't "change design"- yet they did, and will do it again in March.
How many times do they have to do it until you believe it is possible and even likely?
They can do a lot of things to make the combat feel more "snappy". For example FFXII, had the same kind of animation locks and even slower pace of combat, but felt a lot more fluid as a whole. There is no need to get rid of the animation locks to make the game feel better paced.
Just toss your criticism at their way and see what happens. 5 minutes of work and you lose nothing. I know I've already did.
lol so you want them to add NO monsters? everyone wants more monsters of course an it help the game dramatically because people complain about there being no monsters ; ; QQ. thats stuff will happen reguardless in mmoprg world or else i wouldn't be paying a monthly fee every month for no updates we can stop the payments now then. As a sample an start of adding more stuff:
http://www.ffxivcore.com/topic/27882-famitsu-preview-large-scale-updates/
I don't mind seeing a white version of the peist because i see stuff like that even in Rl it makes sense to have the same model diff color on that. looks cool, there will be more monsters anyhow though, not only have more but more copy an paste YAY!!! with more monsters around it lol, not too bad still hundreds of diff monsters in the game an they act different too. too bad other games seem to copy the same thing anyhow so how is SE to blame? this game does have variation to how you fight like blocking with a shield for example have to actually block to block just doesn't auto grab everything. you can be knocked back by mobs, stunned, slept, slowed but we havevnt even seen most of the effects during a fight because all the mechanics of combat arent in place yet like all the specials from battle regiments. it works but they are gonna even add more to it. no other mmoprgs do this as good as ff does lol.
So the you are saying that the Tera Lancer with his hillarious looking toothpick has 2 combat animations ("Stab, Stab, Stab, Shout, Stab Stab Stab") and even those are poorly done. Combat looks really boring and the only thing that makes this mob an Elite is the time it takes to kill him. No strategy involved, just Stab Stab Stab Shout Stab Stab Stab [...]
/doze
PS: Don't compare Elite to low level trash mobs, thats just silly.
I had to stop watching the Tera one...::yawn:: it was putting me to sleep.
Can't really get a good feeling of it when you're just watching.
Actually, "flashy" games benefit more from videos, because they can keep you more easily entertained just through the "coolness" factor. It really does not tell you anything about playing the game yourself.
Like chess- boring to watch (no FLASHINESS), fun to play.
Granted, I kinda expect TERA to have more fun combat still. I'm just not noticing it from this vid. The non-gameplay trailers were better imo.
You guys are unbeliaveable.....
Show me a video from any other game where you fight a cooler mob than this one at the 1/3 of max level...
You can ofcourse think that the lance looks rediciolus or whatever but he still uses a whole bunch of skills and have atleast 10 skills not to mention the combo skills he has which I would say is alot of a low level character...
This is ffs a newbie lvl 20 party mob that looks this freaking awsome where the tank need to watch the guy all the time to know when he needs to block his attacks or not. IT IS NOT WORLD OF WARCRAFT WHERE YOU HAVE RAID WARNINGS AND ALL THE BOSSES HAVE A CASTINGBAR THAT SAYS WHAT HE IS DOING.
Jeez...
There was nothing there, as another player said, it was stab,stab, stab, shield bash, stab, stab, stab, stab...and then it took so frikking long. What is it with Asian games and the length of time it takes to kill things in their games? Want to talk snooze fest. Just thinking about it is making me yawn again.
6 Man mob being killed by 3 players. That's why it was taking so long, they have 1 DPS when they should have 4.
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I agree with this topic... i guess maybe the dodo must be epic to the OP. were dodo's too hard for you or what lol?