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WoW Haters NEED to experience the new quests!
Neverdyne
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Blizzard has innovated questing with Cataclysm. EQ2? AoC? WAR? Aion? Same old quests. Don't get me wrong, WoW has them too, but I'm not saying that the 5000+ quests in WoW are all exciting and innovative. I'm saying many of them are now. Some are even better than any of what LotRO had. I haven't seen anyone implement phasing like they do. Here's some I liked:
In one area you get to defend a town from an orc invasion alongside John J. Keeshan. You are sent undercover (with camouflage, chloroform and all) to an orc base and plant some explosives; which later blow up and the orc base is reduced to nothing but a crater FOREVER. That means before there was an orc base, now it's gone. No "we're going to respawn and pretend nothing happened here". Then you get to ride a tank cooperative with Keeshan and blast through legions of orcs, until you finally get to fight the mastermind behind them, a dragon. After a while of fighting Keeshan jumps into the dragon and kills him in mid air and they both fall and die in a climatic ending, Keeshan dying as a hero to the town of Lakeshire. It's a very fun quest chain.
Another one is in Badlands. You come across a gnome, dwarf, and orc who are drinking and telling stories. You get inside their stories and play through what they supposedly did when Deathwing came. First you play as the dwarf and go punching everything in the face, even Deathwing. It's hilarious. Then you go as the gnome who grows up to a giant and searches for deathwing in the clowds until you finally grab him and shoot him to another continent. Then you go as the orc who rides a motorbike and takes a "babe" with him to challenge deathwing to a knife fight. These were hilarious quests. Blizzard even put a blood elf male as one of the possible "babes" you can take on your bike, nuff said.
Many starting zones now make you fight alongside an important character, sometimes even your race's faction leader, against a villain in a climatic final battle. There's story all over the place now. It really has changed. Also, tell me of an expansion that added 3500+ quests? They really outdid themselves with this one.
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What happens if someone you are grouped with has not done that quest yet? Are you not allowed to help them? Oh wait who the hell groups in this game outside instances?
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I hate WoW i played it years ago and made it to lvl 30+. Now i know thats not far but that's all i could take, and the reason quests are the way they are is so you can get help. If they make it so when you complete a quest thats it it's done and you can't go back and help someone then you might as well be playing a single player game.
i was grouping last night
Its not the quest system that has ruined this game, its the community and lack of freedom
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A major problem with WoW for me, is that there are too many quests. Adding more quests, no matter how interesting, won't alleviate that. When I play an RPG I want to make my own story. WoW and others of it's ilk, just don't cater to that, and it's doubtful that they even allow it.
This was one of the issues I had with WoTLK phasing. One of my friends needed help with killing some mobs for a quest. We spent 5 minutes flying around trying to find eachother, only to realize that I wasn't as far in the quest chain so I was unable to interact with him while he was in the area of the quest.
Please put *SPOILER* tags in your title and in your paragraphs prior to the spoiler. I'm not upset as I just kept on reading through not really thinking, but some people might care. Thanks for taking your time to make these forums a better place.
lol?
I tried wow, honestly, I liked it but due to being made redundant recently, had to cancel my subscription. During my first... 30 levels, whilst doing the random quests just as you go along, I had other people nearby, who offered to team up if I was on the same quest they were. This was happening a lot... so I don't know what you're on about to be honest...
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WoW has always left their competitors a couple of steps behind when it came to questing imo.
Even in the days when games like LOTRO came out with very interesting quests, WoW still trumped them in design: quests lead you around to zone, they lead up to instances or group encounters etc and there is generally a big variety in goals and gimmicks to complete them.
It seems like Cataclysm will pull this trend through although games like GW2 and TOR will bring their own twist on quests, especially TOR will change individual quests into something unseen as of yet in MMO's.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
This is just one of the reasons why I only level in dungeons. I hate phasing almost as much as I hate what WoW has done to questing. Luckily I can grab some friends and spend a few hours running dungeons if I want to level, I just wish the dungeons would last longer.
WoW's quests are generic sooooo now there generic +1 awesome! that gets my 15 usd...seriously i dont think most of the wow haters...hate it because of the endless lame quests but do to the wowtard's that inhabit the game the player base of childern is the problem the ppl suck lol not do much the game.
Sometimes its hard to see the forest for the trees.
I think Palebane was asking if anyone could help you with your phased quest line if they were either not up to that point or had already gone past it. (ie. in the OP's example, if I've already destroyed the Orc camp, can somone else help me destroy it or is it strictly a solo propostion.)
But I never minded WOW's quests, and while better quests is a great thing, they won't bring me back to WOW, as the game's core design takes it in directions I don't care for anymore.
I prefer games where players strongly influence the greater game world that everyone resides in, (see EVE) and aren't really class/level based, but more free form.
My tastes changed over the years and updating the mechanics that WOW employs isn't a draw for me.
But glad to hear about the new quests, always fun to have some new content to play through.
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The new quests are a lot of fun and all, but if someone hates WoW, these quests aren't going to do much to change their minds. I rolled a new character to check it all out and so far (level 30-ish), the redone zones and quests seem designed to guide you through the zone rather then encouraging you to explore. Additionally, it seems like the dungeons are just after-thoughts now. Pre-patch, I had quest chains that lead to the dungeons and then quests to do in them. Now I have an "oh by the way, check out dungeon 'x' sometime." quest with no real incentive to go check it out. The fact all the quests are now available right inside the instance is convenient, but doesn't do much for the overall story they seem to have spent so much time on outside the instance.
Overall, I'm happy with the changes that were made to the leveling experience, but I don't see "haters" being convinced unless their only gripe is the quest text/objectives.
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As per the title
If they gave me a trial of the Cataclysm WoW starter quests WITH Worgen/Goblin for a couple weeks I might stop disliking WoW so strongly
People who hate wow are going to hate wow regardless of the improvements. All the cool quest changes are not really going to win over people who do not like the game and there is nothing wrong with that. Some people enjoy other games.
Now see, right there is what puts me off from WoW. The game is entirely too solo friendly. And never very challenging . I loved vanilla wow when it first came out. You pretty much had to have a group to take on any epics and thier were epics everywhere. I want a game where as no matter how badass you are if you don't sometimes use some brainpower you will not complete a quest, occasionally at least. Oh yeah did I mention I like to occasionally group with other gamers. I was in CATA beta from the start and I will agree Blizz has outdone themselves of the new quests and graphic overhauls, love what they did for Stoemwind! I'll prob play it too cause I did not see nearly everything and I will admit my curiosity is def aroused. I'm just not holding my breath because I have been let down way too many times lately from these so called new MMO games that for me always seem to take a few steps backwards as far as innovation goes. Crossing my fingers for RIFT!
Its a lost cause trying to get people on this site to give WoW a chance. Many of the frequent posters around here hate the game with a passion because it isn't like their favorite sandbox.
This. A lot of people hate WOW because it's a quest based themepark game. Quests are quests, and more improved quests aren't going to change many people's minds.
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Ya because its more fun to sit in a camp for hours killing the same monsters over and over.
Do you know for certain?
I played WoW for over 5 years on and off all 3 expansions, end game in each, (full t1, amani war bear, server first Naxx / EoE / OS full clearings - titles ofcourse - server first Tauren - 60k+ gold at one time, epic fliers for all 6 of my 80's, basically everything u can do).
Ive quit my subscription, have had it down for the past 2 months.. really considering going back... sure the quests blah blah... but making friends / running a guild was 1 hell of a blast.. also in all honesty im excited for worgen / troll druids / new zones / new raid content / new cities and stuff...
But idk, i was so addicted all through highschool and it fucked up my grades now im in college... eh im wondering if i have enough time and shit to manage all of it... but we'll c...
I got it pre ordered!
but still idk...
The thing about wow is... Once youve done it all... youve done it all... its the same stuff over and over just new covers or new graphics / colors... still the same game play....
+ who the hell wants to start a new character to explore when u have an 80 of every class including shit that u cant even get anymore such as titles and the epic amani war bear?
For some of us that is more enjoyable than running kill 10x solo quests or the standard fedex quests.
It's probably the quality of the sandboxes that gets them down. All gritty and monochrome...who's going to be happy with that?
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Oh I agree. I was a CATA beta tester and the starting lvls were fun until about 50 then it became the same ol grind fest. Even Blizz admits that they geared CATA for starting lvl but after lvl 50 you start to think about end game content and yes new raids even with a twist when SW or ORG get invaded and that becomes a open world raid. The thing is WoW is running out of steam and when better and there will be better MMO's (TOR, GW2) when they come out your new toon will be lvl 85 and you will be running the one time newiest raid for the Nth time for more achievments.
So Basicly CATA become a pacifier until the gaming world comes up with something better and they will.
QFT.
I enjoyed the game, but despised the community. No amount of quest innovation will change that.
Or here's a crazy idea, maybe you could, explore, and kill the monsters in your way...
Sheesh, why even play the game when you can get a macro to play it for you?