Sorry but I disagree. There is no way possible it even holds the amout of its subscriber base when The Old Republic and Guild Wars 2 releases. Nice of them to try to hype it up though.
Anything anyone says about the future of the MMORPG genre is simply just speculation. ANYTHING can happen. One day in the next 10 years there truly could be that "WoW killer" that everyone is hoping for. Maybe there won't ever be a WoW killer. Who knows.... all anyone can say is what their opinion is, which is far from factual evidence. Personally, I'd like to see WoW's downfall sooner than later and a return to what made MMO's successful in the first place, but I doubt that will happen any time soon.
Sorry but I disagree. There is no way possible it even holds the amout of its subscriber base when The Old Republic and Guild Wars 2 releases. Nice of them to try to hype it up though.
I think I am in a 2006 time machine when reading this.
War, Lotro, Age of Conan, Tabula Rasa, Aion and a few dozen others ... and the votes of the jury as we approach 2011: ...
Wow has 74% MMO market share on Xfire today. I remember the day when some said WOW could get as high as 70% of that market and they were laughed at.
Talking about hype ... you just quoted 2 non published games.
Financially speaking, yes they could keep wow running for 20 more years when its down to 1 server and 1 player, but is it realistic to think it will run that long? not even...
Even Apple's anylists don't think they will be on top of their respective market for smartphones and tablets for the next 5 years.
Sorry for double post, cant figure out how to put new quotes in an edited post.
Many analysts, software engineers, and programmers in the field actually have said that the Android operating system is vastly superior but in a sense just has to "catch up" to Apple's system. It allows for much more power than Apple's but simply hasn't been out for near as long. Once they completely polish it, Android is going to easily take over the smartphone market. Again, that's technically just speculation, but its a little different than the whole "WoW lasting 20 years" thing because the programming languages used in the two smartphone OS's can be compared empirically.
All I can say to this is.... not in the west. In the west I'll give WoW 5 years, tops. You can come back and quote me in 5 years.
We have some really strong projects coming out, some from high production studios, others with very different yet strong focuses on other types of western gaming genres. I don't see WoW having much of a stranglehold once the market starts splitting hairs between MMORPGs and MMOFPS, MMOAGs and things like that.
The MMO genre will see a huge "rebirth" in the form of other types of MMO games.
Sorry but I disagree. There is no way possible it even holds the amout of its subscriber base when The Old Republic and Guild Wars 2 releases. Nice of them to try to hype it up though.
I think I am in a 2006 time machine when reading this.
War, Lotro, Age of Conan, Tabula Rasa, Aion and a few dozen others ... and the votes of the jury as we approach 2011: ...
Wow has 74% MMO market share on Xfire today. I remember the day when some said WOW could get as high as 70% of that market and they were laughed at.
And being laughed at for making such a statement was an appropriate response. No one could have forseen the abberition that was WoW's success. Not even Blizzard knew, which is evident by WoW box games being sold out and unavailable to purchase at many tiems during the first year, along with server overpopulation, lag and stability issues that were a result of the overpopulation.
Realize that just as unexpected as WoW's success was, it's demise could happen just as unexpectedly. Whether from a rival game, or mismanagement by Blizzard, things can change seemingly overnight.
I don't think it'll be that long either,but it will be a long time still before it fades significantly.A huge chunk of wow subs are people who aren't your avid MMO player,so I think they will keep it strong....they only mainly know WoW and don't care enough to know any other mmo beyond it(imo anyway)
Twenty years is beyond a stretch if you ask me. Laughable, really. I think that we are going to see WoW's sub numbers begin to decline in approximately six months. This could happen even sooner. Once the shiny starts to wear from the last expansion, expect to see lots of tired souls moving on. I believe WoW will still be top dog for years to come with it's decline being obnoxiously slow, but 2 decades? Hell no.
Also, don't expect Blizzard to announce any sort of downward trend with respect to subs anywhere near the time it occurrs.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
I generally steer way clear of the 'WoW Killer' thread. But if you want to gain subscribers of WoW-ish proportion..you have to do something they aren't doing..and you have do something that only a couple of games HAVE done, but without epic success. And by that I mean, create an MMO that is multi-platform. PC, 360, PS3 wide. It has to be a game you can actually sink your teeth into (so not something like Free Realms) and the UI has to be just as equally simple to pick up on either platform (something FFXI failed at, despite what FF marks will tell you). And you have to market it as if WoW doesn't even exist. Don't acknowledge they are there and DON'T try to market it as a game to take their place. Market it as a MMO that is there as a choice, not a 'wow killer'. If a company can do that..then they have a chance.
I really like what DCUO is doing, and if Sony was smart they would have allowed 360 into the fold.
Twenty years is beyond a stretch if you ask me. Laughable, really. I think that we are going to see WoW's sub numbers begin to decline in approximately six months. This could happen even sooner. Once the shiny starts to wear from the last expansion, expect to see lots of tired souls moving on. I believe WoW will still be top dog for years to come with it's decline being obnoxiously slow, but 2 decades? Hell no.
Also, don't expect Blizzard to announce any sort of downward trend with respect to subs anywhere near the time it occurrs.
For how long we have been hearing this now? aren't you guys tired of being proven wrong over and over and over again?
Originally posted by SaintViktor
Sorry but I disagree. There is no way possible it even holds the amout of its subscriber base when The Old Republic and Guild Wars 2 releases. Nice of them to try to hype it up though.
Oh and this too, i guess some people just dont want to learn from past experinces. 2011 is not the only high profile year my friend. Same things were said in past but WOW's sub are only increasing, not decreasing.
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no? Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
Codemasters' Dave Solari imagines that the winning formula "would have mass market appeal, with instant accessibility, would work on all platforms, particularly mobile, be incredibly viral and social -- like a feature-rich FarmVille.
lol Dave knows exactly what wow players want. A farmville for mobiles.
20 years is just stupid. Whoever said that needs to stop calling himself an analyst.
Twenty years is beyond a stretch if you ask me. Laughable, really. I think that we are going to see WoW's sub numbers begin to decline in approximately six months. This could happen even sooner. Once the shiny starts to wear from the last expansion, expect to see lots of tired souls moving on. I believe WoW will still be top dog for years to come with it's decline being obnoxiously slow, but 2 decades? Hell no.
Also, don't expect Blizzard to announce any sort of downward trend with respect to subs anywhere near the time it occurrs.
For how long we have been hearing this now? aren't you guys tired of being proven wrong over and over and over again?
Originally posted by SaintViktor
Sorry but I disagree. There is no way possible it even holds the amout of its subscriber base when The Old Republic and Guild Wars 2 releases. Nice of them to try to hype it up though.
Oh and this too, i guess some people just dont want to learn from past experinces. 2011 is not the only high profile year my friend. Same things were said in past but WOW's sub are only increasing, not decreasing.
Marketshare, especially in the US and Europe (Which is really all we care about, right?) is shrinking, that's what matters. That's the first step.
Sorry but I disagree. There is no way possible it even holds the amout of its subscriber base when The Old Republic and Guild Wars 2 releases. Nice of them to try to hype it up though.
I think I am in a 2006 time machine when reading this.
War, Lotro, Age of Conan, Tabula Rasa, Aion and a few dozen others ... and the votes of the jury as we approach 2011: ...
Wow has 74% MMO market share on Xfire today. I remember the day when some said WOW could get as high as 70% of that market and they were laughed at.
Talking about hype ... you just quoted 2 non published games.
using xfire numbers as the basis of your argument only serves to show your immaturity and ignorance of the topic.
People are genuinely beginning to get sick of WoW and rightfully so. It has held onto the throne for a little too long and nobody appreciates its dictatorship. WoW has effectively shaped the average MMO player, which is the biggest audience in the MMO industry and with this gives people the best rewards for little to no effort. That is the sole reason i boycott WoW along with a few peers, it's basically rewarding bad behaviour if i sub to it. MMO players are starting to get lazy and expect everything and put it nothing, sorry but thats appalling.
WoW has loosened its grip on its playerbase and now all they need is a little push in a different direction, that push is a good MMO. Like previously stated, the MMO industry aswell as the gaming industry will have a complete rebirth as you'll see developers/publishers start specialising in one sort of game genre. WoW will most certainly not last five years let alone twenty-five, it could very well survive for that long seeing the amount of money it has generated, but in terms of popularity and playerbase most definitely not. It will be all but a whisper in the memory of gaming vets soon enough.
That was a very bold statement, almost foolish if i say so myself. There will never be a WoW killer, giants just can't be killed - old age gets to them primarily and a new game just finishes them off.
War does not determine who is right, but who is left.
Twenty years is beyond a stretch if you ask me. Laughable, really. I think that we are going to see WoW's sub numbers begin to decline in approximately six months. This could happen even sooner. Once the shiny starts to wear from the last expansion, expect to see lots of tired souls moving on. I believe WoW will still be top dog for years to come with it's decline being obnoxiously slow, but 2 decades? Hell no.
Also, don't expect Blizzard to announce any sort of downward trend with respect to subs anywhere near the time it occurrs.
For how long we have been hearing this now? aren't you guys tired of being proven wrong over and over and over again?
Sorry, I'm not a part of your "you guys" group. I've been saying the same thing for a long time. I used to play and enjoy WoW. I do not play anymore, but I don't hate the game. I've always maintained that only time itself will take the crown away from WoW.
Tic toc.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Twenty years is beyond a stretch if you ask me. Laughable, really. I think that we are going to see WoW's sub numbers begin to decline in approximately six months. This could happen even sooner. Once the shiny starts to wear from the last expansion, expect to see lots of tired souls moving on. I believe WoW will still be top dog for years to come with it's decline being obnoxiously slow, but 2 decades? Hell no.
Also, don't expect Blizzard to announce any sort of downward trend with respect to subs anywhere near the time it occurrs.
For how long we have been hearing this now? aren't you guys tired of being proven wrong over and over and over again?
Originally posted by SaintViktor
Sorry but I disagree. There is no way possible it even holds the amout of its subscriber base when The Old Republic and Guild Wars 2 releases. Nice of them to try to hype it up though.
Oh and this too, i guess some people just dont want to learn from past experinces. 2011 is not the only high profile year my friend. Same things were said in past but WOW's sub are only increasing, not decreasing.
Marketshare, especially in the US and Europe (Which is really all we care about, right?) is shrinking, that's what matters. That's the first step.
And? what has this got anything to do with WOW? as long as it keeps up with polish and quality of its product i see no reason how is this going to effect WOW. Or its just wishful thinking for someone who secretly wants to see WOW die?
Yes 20 years a long time but it is not going down anytime sooner.
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no? Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
I don't like WoW, too casual and easy for me, but I am a realistic person. The only thing that is going to kill WoW is next Blizzard's MMO.
Blizzard has a very solid fan base, and to be honest, a well deserved one. You may or may not like their games, but you have to admit that they are very polished, balanced and very dynamic while accessible.
Wth, there's plenty of ppl still playing Diablo on the net. And, how many "diablo killers" have we had so far? The only thing that is going to kill Diablo II is Diablo III.
Twenty years is beyond a stretch if you ask me. Laughable, really. I think that we are going to see WoW's sub numbers begin to decline in approximately six months. This could happen even sooner. Once the shiny starts to wear from the last expansion, expect to see lots of tired souls moving on. I believe WoW will still be top dog for years to come with it's decline being obnoxiously slow, but 2 decades? Hell no.
Also, don't expect Blizzard to announce any sort of downward trend with respect to subs anywhere near the time it occurrs.
For how long we have been hearing this now? aren't you guys tired of being proven wrong over and over and over again?
Sorry, I'm not a part of your "you guys" group. I've been saying the same thing for a long time. I used to play and enjoy WoW. I do not play anymore, but I don't hate the game. I've always maintained that only time itself will take the crown away from WoW.
Tic toc.
How long....5 years? it means i am right you didn't learn anything from past? saying that subs will start to decline in 6 months is ludicurous and far fetched.
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no? Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
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Sorry but I disagree. There is no way possible it even holds the amout of its subscriber base when The Old Republic and Guild Wars 2 releases. Nice of them to try to hype it up though.
That's an extremely bold statement.
Technology, both hardware and software, has evolved by leaps and bounds within the past 20 years. heck even 5 years have been very significant.
Even Apple's analysts don't think they will be on top of their respective market for smartphones and tablets for the next 5 years.
I'm not even going to read the article.
Anything anyone says about the future of the MMORPG genre is simply just speculation. ANYTHING can happen. One day in the next 10 years there truly could be that "WoW killer" that everyone is hoping for. Maybe there won't ever be a WoW killer. Who knows.... all anyone can say is what their opinion is, which is far from factual evidence. Personally, I'd like to see WoW's downfall sooner than later and a return to what made MMO's successful in the first place, but I doubt that will happen any time soon.
That being said, only time will tell
I almost choked to death on a french fry at this statement; it's ludicrous to assume anything ESPECIALLY in the field of technology.
I'll just say; whoa ;o. Hard to imagine!
I think I am in a 2006 time machine when reading this.
War, Lotro, Age of Conan, Tabula Rasa, Aion and a few dozen others ... and the votes of the jury as we approach 2011: ...
Wow has 74% MMO market share on Xfire today. I remember the day when some said WOW could get as high as 70% of that market and they were laughed at.
Talking about hype ... you just quoted 2 non published games.
Financially speaking, yes they could keep wow running for 20 more years when its down to 1 server and 1 player, but is it realistic to think it will run that long? not even...
Sorry for double post, cant figure out how to put new quotes in an edited post.
Many analysts, software engineers, and programmers in the field actually have said that the Android operating system is vastly superior but in a sense just has to "catch up" to Apple's system. It allows for much more power than Apple's but simply hasn't been out for near as long. Once they completely polish it, Android is going to easily take over the smartphone market. Again, that's technically just speculation, but its a little different than the whole "WoW lasting 20 years" thing because the programming languages used in the two smartphone OS's can be compared empirically.
All I can say to this is.... not in the west. In the west I'll give WoW 5 years, tops. You can come back and quote me in 5 years.
We have some really strong projects coming out, some from high production studios, others with very different yet strong focuses on other types of western gaming genres. I don't see WoW having much of a stranglehold once the market starts splitting hairs between MMORPGs and MMOFPS, MMOAGs and things like that.
The MMO genre will see a huge "rebirth" in the form of other types of MMO games.
And being laughed at for making such a statement was an appropriate response. No one could have forseen the abberition that was WoW's success. Not even Blizzard knew, which is evident by WoW box games being sold out and unavailable to purchase at many tiems during the first year, along with server overpopulation, lag and stability issues that were a result of the overpopulation.
Realize that just as unexpected as WoW's success was, it's demise could happen just as unexpectedly. Whether from a rival game, or mismanagement by Blizzard, things can change seemingly overnight.
god can you imaging playing the same MMO for 25 years? You have to be special to do something like that.
Twenty years is beyond a stretch if you ask me. Laughable, really. I think that we are going to see WoW's sub numbers begin to decline in approximately six months. This could happen even sooner. Once the shiny starts to wear from the last expansion, expect to see lots of tired souls moving on. I believe WoW will still be top dog for years to come with it's decline being obnoxiously slow, but 2 decades? Hell no.
Also, don't expect Blizzard to announce any sort of downward trend with respect to subs anywhere near the time it occurrs.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
20 years? With the rate at which technology is advancing WoW will look and play like its 50 years old in 20 years.
Playing: Tera, BF3, ME3
Waiting on: Guild Wars 2
I generally steer way clear of the 'WoW Killer' thread. But if you want to gain subscribers of WoW-ish proportion..you have to do something they aren't doing..and you have do something that only a couple of games HAVE done, but without epic success. And by that I mean, create an MMO that is multi-platform. PC, 360, PS3 wide. It has to be a game you can actually sink your teeth into (so not something like Free Realms) and the UI has to be just as equally simple to pick up on either platform (something FFXI failed at, despite what FF marks will tell you). And you have to market it as if WoW doesn't even exist. Don't acknowledge they are there and DON'T try to market it as a game to take their place. Market it as a MMO that is there as a choice, not a 'wow killer'. If a company can do that..then they have a chance.
I really like what DCUO is doing, and if Sony was smart they would have allowed 360 into the fold.
That my 2 coppers.
For how long we have been hearing this now? aren't you guys tired of being proven wrong over and over and over again?
Oh and this too, i guess some people just dont want to learn from past experinces. 2011 is not the only high profile year my friend. Same things were said in past but WOW's sub are only increasing, not decreasing.
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no?
Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
Codemasters' Dave Solari imagines that the winning formula "would have mass market appeal, with instant accessibility, would work on all platforms, particularly mobile, be incredibly viral and social -- like a feature-rich FarmVille.
lol Dave knows exactly what wow players want. A farmville for mobiles.
20 years is just stupid. Whoever said that needs to stop calling himself an analyst.
Marketshare, especially in the US and Europe (Which is really all we care about, right?) is shrinking, that's what matters. That's the first step.
using xfire numbers as the basis of your argument only serves to show your immaturity and ignorance of the topic.
I simply don't see it.
If nothing else, time and technology will catch up to WoW and keep it from being top dog long before that 20 year mark.
Think of all the games that were out 20 years ago and tell me how popular they are now. Heck even 10 years ago.
Unlike others, I don't see WoW experiencing any significant decline any time soon.
Einherjar_LC says: WTB the true successor to UO or Asheron's Call pst!
People are genuinely beginning to get sick of WoW and rightfully so. It has held onto the throne for a little too long and nobody appreciates its dictatorship. WoW has effectively shaped the average MMO player, which is the biggest audience in the MMO industry and with this gives people the best rewards for little to no effort. That is the sole reason i boycott WoW along with a few peers, it's basically rewarding bad behaviour if i sub to it. MMO players are starting to get lazy and expect everything and put it nothing, sorry but thats appalling.
WoW has loosened its grip on its playerbase and now all they need is a little push in a different direction, that push is a good MMO. Like previously stated, the MMO industry aswell as the gaming industry will have a complete rebirth as you'll see developers/publishers start specialising in one sort of game genre. WoW will most certainly not last five years let alone twenty-five, it could very well survive for that long seeing the amount of money it has generated, but in terms of popularity and playerbase most definitely not. It will be all but a whisper in the memory of gaming vets soon enough.
That was a very bold statement, almost foolish if i say so myself. There will never be a WoW killer, giants just can't be killed - old age gets to them primarily and a new game just finishes them off.
War does not determine who is right, but who is left.
Sorry, I'm not a part of your "you guys" group. I've been saying the same thing for a long time. I used to play and enjoy WoW. I do not play anymore, but I don't hate the game. I've always maintained that only time itself will take the crown away from WoW.
Tic toc.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
And? what has this got anything to do with WOW? as long as it keeps up with polish and quality of its product i see no reason how is this going to effect WOW. Or its just wishful thinking for someone who secretly wants to see WOW die?
Yes 20 years a long time but it is not going down anytime sooner.
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no?
Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
I don't like WoW, too casual and easy for me, but I am a realistic person. The only thing that is going to kill WoW is next Blizzard's MMO.
Blizzard has a very solid fan base, and to be honest, a well deserved one. You may or may not like their games, but you have to admit that they are very polished, balanced and very dynamic while accessible.
Wth, there's plenty of ppl still playing Diablo on the net. And, how many "diablo killers" have we had so far? The only thing that is going to kill Diablo II is Diablo III.
Same for WoW.
How long....5 years? it means i am right you didn't learn anything from past? saying that subs will start to decline in 6 months is ludicurous and far fetched.
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no?
Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible