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WoW will reign 20 more years according to analysts

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  • NekrataalNekrataal Member Posts: 557

    Like someone else said, I'm not even going to read the article... 20 years! Thats ridiculous.

    In 20 years, we'll probably be on the verge of full blown VR & maybe even some other tech that nobody has thought of yet.

    I give WoW another 5 years at being the king & then a steady fall for another 5 years. That is the maximum to which I can stretch it. Thats if nothing turns out to be a pretty decent MMO until then.

  • ThorkuneThorkune Member UncommonPosts: 1,969

    Originally posted by SeriphinX

    I generally steer way clear of the 'WoW Killer' thread.  But if you want to gain subscribers of WoW-ish proportion..you have to do something they aren't doing..and you have do something that only a couple of games HAVE done, but without epic success.  And by that I mean, create an MMO that is multi-platform. PC, 360, PS3 wide.  It has to be a game you can actually sink your teeth into (so not something like Free Realms) and the UI has to be just as equally simple to pick up on either platform (something FFXI failed at, despite what FF marks will tell you).  And you have to market it as if WoW doesn't even exist.  Don't acknowledge they are there and DON'T try to market it as a game to take their place.  Market it as a MMO that is there as a choice, not a 'wow killer'.  If a company can do that..then they have a chance. 

    I really like what DCUO is doing, and if Sony was smart they would have allowed 360 into the fold.

    That my 2 coppers.

     

     You pretty much hijacked my words verbatim with this. And...I think DCUO is going to be the dark horse success story when it is said and done. It is a VERY GOOD game and will be multi-platform as you mentioned.  

  • ParadoxyParadoxy Member Posts: 786

    Originally posted by mmogawd

    (Mod Edit)

    Funny because i am not a WOW fan just someone who plays all kind of MMO. Where is the link ? i would like to read your findings and how it is going to effect WOW long term. 

    Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?


    Originally posted by Arcken

    To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no?
    Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible

  • stayontargetstayontarget Member RarePosts: 6,519

    20 YEARS...really !!

    not bloody likely.

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  • Zeus.CMZeus.CM Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 1,788

    I give it another 10 years max. but who knows, many devoted fans have given their lives just to enjoy it for so long. They will not allow their  virtual world (which is more real to them than the real one) to be ended!

  • ParadoxyParadoxy Member Posts: 786

    So? no links i guess regarding WOW losing its market share and how it is going down?

    Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?


    Originally posted by Arcken

    To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no?
    Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible

  • PhuzionitePhuzionite Member Posts: 20

    I'm going to go on a whim and guess that many veteran MMO players don't know the point of an expansion pack.

    It's not to "Expand the games/add more content" primarily, even though in effect that's what it does; it's to give the developers money by selling it to you guys and creating massive attention, media frenzy and hype between fans, which will soon be overheard by a casual passerby. It works incredibly well.

    WoWs fanbase is huge, they have amazing PR and they made a damn good game in terms of content, graphics (to some extent), playability, learning curve and accessibility. Not many MMOs can say they have achieved all of this.

    Cata was made for one purpose only, retain their playerbase. That is the raw truth. If a new game far better than WoW was coming out, even if it was the best game ever created - if you're swamped with WoW ads, the playerbase cursing every other MMO in every thread, video and blog then you'll go to WoW.

    Blizzard is excellent in their marketing schemes, everywhere i go, even youtube had Cata ads plastered allover it. Even though i KNOW WoW has died for me quite some time ago, i still feel "maybe i should go back..." (bearing in mind i KNOW it won't work). Advertising is powerful.

    The point i'm trying to make is, the MMO industry at this point in time has so many factors that determine its size; at this point in time, the giant WoW is getting old. People are starting to realize this. Blizzard is noticing this undeniably and now they are reacting.

     

    > enter Cata

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  • SfaliaraSfaliara Member Posts: 438

    Originally posted by SaintViktor

    Sorry but I disagree. There is no way possible it even holds the amout of its subscriber base when The Old Republic and Guild Wars 2 releases. Nice of them to try to hype it up though.

    Bla bla bla, you will be saying the same about 2 other games in a year from now.

  • djay47djay47 Member Posts: 4

    Probably more corparate propaganda, just like when they say they have X amount of millions of accounts subscribing, think of how dead people manage to cast a vote in politics lol.

    Then theres the whispers that is nothng more than a cult indoctrinating our youth in to odd witchcraft rituals and demonology, im not 100% on that none of you can be but if all these corporate chieftains ( that includes you precious blizzard types) they admit to going to Bohiemian Grove where what do they do there, oh yea, practise withcraft and deomonology, not something i'm going to write off as a co incidence just yet,  regardless if i have kids at all i'd rather they played GTA or something =).

    Let is die i say, i played it and couldnt come back for too much amount of time at once even when my friend was paying me to level up his toon.

  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332

    Originally posted by tank017

    http://massively.joystiq.com/2010/12/09/world-of-warcraft-will-reign-for-another-20-years-according-to-i/

    We talking reign as in quality of game design or jsut making money??

    The game engine is as weak as FFXI's only FFXI still accomplished far more with the game and was designed to run on console,i could only imagine how much worse Wow would be if Blizzard tried to make it work on console.Actually Blizzard could'nt and still can't do it,they failed trying to make Starcraft a console game,several times.Heck to this day FFXI is still the ONLY game with a language translator.This is what REIGN supreme means,it means you can brag about all your accomplishments as a game designer,not always falling back on "well look how much money we make".

    This is like a guy with a heart rate of 120,can't walk a 100 yds,limps on one leg,has arthitis ,but goes around telling everyone how great he is because he has more money than you.This is the difference and i highly doubt anyone with less money would trade places with that guy,so shows making money proves nothing,other than you can make money.

    When Wow finally falls from subscriptions ,you can bet that ALL it will be remembered for is how many subs it has ,nothing else.Microsoft is a similiar entity,they still make all the money,but really nobody will give them much of a rating since it's original windows design.That is the difference however,Microsoft deserves to be on top,because that original concept changed computers forever,they have something that will always be remembered as quality ,other than just they were a company that made lots of money.

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  • KabaalKabaal Member UncommonPosts: 3,042

    Considering the changes that have happened to gaming as a whole between 1990 and 2010 I doubt very much that WoW will be anything but a fond memory (or the opposite) in another 20 years time.

  • CecropiaCecropia Member RarePosts: 3,985

    Originally posted by Paradoxy

    So? no links i guess regarding WOW losing its market share and how it is going down?

    That's because it hasn't started yet. Keep in mind, WoW's sub number was hovering at 11.5 million since '08 up until recently. That was a long time to not experience any significant growth. Time is catching up to the king. This happens with everything in life.

    Do you, in all seriousness, expect WoW to maintain or even grow it's player base until the next expansion comes? Do you honestly believe that everyone is just going keep sticking it out in the same 'ole same 'ole after all these years? A few years ago I would have said: yeah, sure. Nowadays is a completely different animal.

    "Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb

  • ParadoxyParadoxy Member Posts: 786

    Originally posted by Cecropia

    Originally posted by Paradoxy

    So? no links i guess regarding WOW losing its market share and how it is going down?

    That's because it hasn't started yet. Keep in mind, WoW's sub number was hovering at 11.5 million since '08 up until recently. That was a long time to not experience any significant growth. Time is catching up to the king. This happens with everything in life.

    Do you, in all seriousness, expect WoW to maintain or even grow it's player base until the next expansion comes? Do you honestly believe that everyone is just going keep sticking it out in the same 'ole same 'ole after all these years? A few years ago I would have said: yeah, sure. Nowadays is a completely different animal.

    Yes i honestly believe that. because, in my opinion WOW has not even reached its prime yet. WOW is bringing more and more people into MMO genre. And there is still huge casual market waiting for to be sbatched up; i find it surprising that people think that the player base for games like WOW has reached its bottleneck. Why not wait and see? like i said you will be proven wrong once again.

    Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?


    Originally posted by Arcken

    To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no?
    Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible

  • PhuzionitePhuzionite Member Posts: 20

    Originally posted by Wizardry

    Originally posted by tank017

    http://massively.joystiq.com/2010/12/09/world-of-warcraft-will-reign-for-another-20-years-according-to-i/

    We talking reign as in quality of game design or jsut making money??

    The game engine is as weak as FFXI's only FFXI still accomplished far more with the game and was designed to run on console,i could only imagine how much worse Wow would be if Blizzard tried to make it work on console.Actually Blizzard could'nt and still can't do it,they failed trying to make Starcraft a console game,several times.Heck to this day FFXI is still the ONLY game with a language translator.This is what REIGN supreme means,it means you can brag about all your accomplishments as a game designer,not always falling back on "well look how much money we make".

    This is like a guy with a heart rate of 120,can't walk a 100 yds,limps on one leg,has arthitis ,but goes around telling everyone how great he is because he has more money than you.This is the difference and i highly doubt anyone with less money would trade places with that guy,so shows making money proves nothing,other than you can make money.

    When Wow finally falls from subscriptions ,you can bet that ALL it will be remembered for is how many subs it has ,nothing else.Microsoft is a similiar entity,they still make all the money,but really nobody will give them much of a rating since it's original windows design.That is the difference however,Microsoft deserves to be on top,because that original concept changed computers forever,they have something that will always be remembered as quality ,other than just they were a company that made lots of money.

     

     

    Seriously, best post in this thread. This guy absolutely nailed it.

    War does not determine who is right, but who is left.

  • dinamsdinams Member Posts: 1,362

    I wont read it, but meh, anyone that officially says such a thing is not in the right profession...

    in 20 years WoW will be to that generation what Pong is to us now xD

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  • CecropiaCecropia Member RarePosts: 3,985

    Originally posted by Paradoxy

    Originally posted by Cecropia

    Originally posted by Paradoxy

    So? no links i guess regarding WOW losing its market share and how it is going down?

    That's because it hasn't started yet. Keep in mind, WoW's sub number was hovering at 11.5 million since '08 up until recently. That was a long time to not experience any significant growth. Time is catching up to the king. This happens with everything in life.

    Do you, in all seriousness, expect WoW to maintain or even grow it's player base until the next expansion comes? Do you honestly believe that everyone is just going keep sticking it out in the same 'ole same 'ole after all these years? A few years ago I would have said: yeah, sure. Nowadays is a completely different animal.

    Yes i honestly believe that. because, in my opinion WOW has not even reached its prime yet. WOW is bringing more and more people into MMO genre. And there is still huge casual market waiting for to be sbatched up; i find it surprising that people think that the player base for games like WOW has reached its bottleneck. Why not wait and see? like i said you will be proven wrong once again.

    Well, that's where we disagree. I believe WoW's sub numbers are at or near the level of plateauing, whereas you are under the impression that there are still millions of untapped players still lurking out there.

    If that were actually the case there would be much more than 12.5 million people (it's probably higher post cata) subbed up. And we most likely wouldn't have seen the number stalling at 11.5 for so long.

    Edit: what was I proven wrong on in the past? I've maintained my position since I started posting here. I've never named a WoW-killer.

    "Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb

  • NikkitaNikkita Member Posts: 790

    Originally posted by Wizardry

    Originally posted by tank017

    http://massively.joystiq.com/2010/12/09/world-of-warcraft-will-reign-for-another-20-years-according-to-i/

    We talking reign as in quality of game design or jsut making money??

    The game engine is as weak as FFXI's only FFXI still accomplished far more with the game and was designed to run on console,i could only imagine how much worse Wow would be if Blizzard tried to make it work on console.Actually Blizzard could'nt and still can't do it,they failed trying to make Starcraft a console game,several times.Heck to this day FFXI is still the ONLY game with a language translator.This is what REIGN supreme means,it means you can brag about all your accomplishments as a game designer,not always falling back on "well look how much money we make".

    This is like a guy with a heart rate of 120,can't walk a 100 yds,limps on one leg,has arthitis ,but goes around telling everyone how great he is because he has more money than you.This is the difference and i highly doubt anyone with less money would trade places with that guy,so shows making money proves nothing,other than you can make money.

    When Wow finally falls from subscriptions ,you can bet that ALL it will be remembered for is how many subs it has ,nothing else.Microsoft is a similiar entity,they still make all the money,but really nobody will give them much of a rating since it's original windows design.That is the difference however,Microsoft deserves to be on top,because that original concept changed computers forever,they have something that will always be remembered as quality ,other than just they were a company that made lots of money.

    So you are telling us that quality has nothing to do with something selling well? which ofcourse makes you a lot of money.

    Or it is just case of 'grapes are sour'?

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  • FourplayFourplay Member UncommonPosts: 216
    This analyst is just guessing on exact dates. But the current trend of mmo is to make mainstream games playable on 5 to 10 yr old hardware. True pc and game development will improve drastically. But not so much technology wise in the mmo space. Also affordable high bandwidth is limiting the online games from pushing the technology envelope. If the two reasons I stated change in the near future. Then WoW has no chance in hell to rule 20yrs. Until then, maybe 20yrs could be a big stretch but possible.
    Also I am excited about upcoming games as well. But you can't know with absolute certainity that a game or games will topple anything. Until the game is out and see real figures.
    Btw I don't hate WoW, I just isn't my cup of tea. And it chaps my hide that this game is basically pushing the mmo industry into making polished but technologically inferior products versus companies pushing boundaries and limits as they do in offline offerings.
  • ParadoxyParadoxy Member Posts: 786

    Originally posted by Cecropia

    Originally posted by Paradoxy


    Originally posted by Cecropia


    Originally posted by Paradoxy

    So? no links i guess regarding WOW losing its market share and how it is going down?

    That's because it hasn't started yet. Keep in mind, WoW's sub number was hovering at 11.5 million since '08 up until recently. That was a long time to not experience any significant growth. Time is catching up to the king. This happens with everything in life.

    Do you, in all seriousness, expect WoW to maintain or even grow it's player base until the next expansion comes? Do you honestly believe that everyone is just going keep sticking it out in the same 'ole same 'ole after all these years? A few years ago I would have said: yeah, sure. Nowadays is a completely different animal.

    Yes i honestly believe that. because, in my opinion WOW has not even reached its prime yet. WOW is bringing more and more people into MMO genre. And there is still huge casual market waiting for to be sbatched up; i find it surprising that people think that the player base for games like WOW has reached its bottleneck. Why not wait and see? like i said you will be proven wrong once again.

    Well, that's where we disagree. I believe WoW's sub numbers are at or near the level of plateauing, whereas you are under the impression that there are still millions of untapped players still lurking out there.

    If that were actually the case there would be much more than 12.5 million people (it's probably higher post cata) subbed up. And we most likely wouldn't have seen the number stalling at 11.5 for so long.

    Edit: what was I proven wrong on in the past? I've maintained my position since I started posting here. I've never named a WoW-killer.

    I was talking about 'WOW subs will be in decline in 6 months'. Yes that is very far fetched. As far as been proven wrong, you admitted that you have been  saying for long that ' wow will start losing its sub'. Did it happen nope? quite the opposite. So i find it strange that you will say this again when Cata just came out.

    Also, i am firm believer that ther is still a huge untapped casual market out there. You might only see it in terms of subs going 12+ million  but i also see it as continuous replacement of old players by new players. The point is not how more subs will increase in future, what matters is that for how long Blizzard can maintain its 12 million player base.

    Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?


    Originally posted by Arcken

    To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no?
    Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible

  • zephermarkuszephermarkus Member Posts: 201

    The world is ending is 2012 so why care hmmmmmmmmm...............

  • CecropiaCecropia Member RarePosts: 3,985

    Originally posted by Paradoxy

    I was talking about 'WOW subs will be in decline in 6 months'. Yes that is very far fetched. As far as been proven wrong, you admitted that you have been  saying for long that ' wow will start losing its sub'. Did it happen nope? quite the opposite. So i find it strange that you will say this again when Cata just came out.

    Also, i am firm believer that ther is still a huge untapped casual market out there. You might only see it in terms of subs going 12+ million  but i also see it as continuous replacement of old players by new players. The point is not here how more subs will increase in future, what matters is that for how long Blizzard can maintain its 12 million player base.

    I've been saying that this will happen sometime after cata realeased. So, were going to have to wait for awhile to see if I'm correct. Hope that clears up that.

    To the second bit: I just don't see it happening that way at all. But, it will be interesting to see how things are faring in several months time.

    "Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb

  • WaizerWaizer Member Posts: 125

    Complete and utter tripe. How anyone can say ANYTHING will be top for 20 more years is at best a guess based on opinion, but to say so for a game in a very rapidly changing environment is seriously beyond me.

     

    Articles like this really make me wish the end of wow would come sooner

  • LatronusLatronus Member Posts: 692

    Yeah right.  I bet these analysts would have said the same thing about arcades back in the 80s.  Blanket statements like these are just crazy.  Who knows what's going to come around 2 or 3 years from now that might make MMOs a thing of the past.  This should never be said about any game.  And they said  the Titanic was unsinkable too.

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  • FdzzaiglFdzzaigl Member UncommonPosts: 2,433

    That's a bit long, that would mean it has a lifespan of 26 years during which it always reigned...

    In 20 years, not only will there (hopefully) be a lot more people who actually have access to computers and internet, we also might be putting freaky needles up our noses in order to get linked into the game world directly...

    Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!

  • NekrataalNekrataal Member Posts: 557

    Originally posted by Latronus

    Yeah right.  I bet these analysts would have said the same thing about arcades back in the 80s.  Blanket statements like these are just crazy.  Who knows what's going to come around 2 or 3 years from now that might make MMOs a thing of the past.  This should never be said about any game.  And they said  the Titanic was unsinkable too.

     Best line in the thread. lol

    ::thumbs up::

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