one thing the original poster did not say is that changing zones is NOT new .
EQ1 completely revamped a few zones to look different and with different mobs(made some zones higher levels) but kept the original feel of the zone so you knew you were still playing the same zones, and this was back in 2001 !
I see some things that need to be addressed and cleared up about my opinion for the best expansion released for an mmo so far. Being the best today does not translate to being the best tomorrow. But for what it's worth, as of now, no other mmo developer has did so much as Blizzard has done to it's mmo with a single 2-part expansion. Zero. Whether you think it's a good for you personally or has enough top heavy content. The point stands that it did the most developmental work and successfully brought it from drawing table to live with very little issues.
Also to some of you that are still on that silly bandwagon who think WoW is for kids, then I ask you to try to grow your mmo base without them. Because without a influx of new players coming in to support your "hobby" you'll find it eventually dying a very slow and sad death. But don't mind me, continue to belittle the power of youth. I just ask that you do yourself a favor and try to remember that hobbies are nothing more than things you did as a kid that you carry with you into your transition to adulthood. And the only thing that changes is who's paying to support the hobby once the kid grows up.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
I see some things that need to be addressed and cleared up about my opinion for the best expansion released for an mmo so far. Being the best today does not translate to being the best tomorrow. But for what it's worth, as of now, no other mmo developer has did so much as Blizzard has done to it's mmo with a single 2-part expansion. Zero. Whether you think it's a good for you personally or has enough top heavy content. The point stands that it did the most developmental work and successfully brought it from drawing table to live with very little issues.
Also to some of you that are still on that silly bandwagon who think WoW is for kids, then I ask you to try to grow your mmo base without them. Because without a influx of new players coming in to support your "hobby" you'll find it eventually dying a very slow and sad death. But don't mind me, continue to belittle the power of youth. I just ask that you do yourself a favor and try to remember that hobbies are nothing more than things you did as a kid that you carry with you into your transition to adulthood. And the only thing that changes is who's paying to support the hobby once the kid grows up.
I dunno so much about hobbie being things I did as a kid . I'm a guitarist which I would count as a hobbie but I did'nt start untill my late teens . There wer'nt any video games untill I was about 12-14 ish and I never really got into them untill I brought an Atari ste ( remember them ) for my music and got Dungeon Master free with it . The thing I did carry on from my childhood was my love of comics . Now I would'nt compare say Spiderman which although you do get some good runs on it now and then to a series like Sandman . Ones obviously aimed more towards children than the other ,Its common sence and the same applys to WoW . Thats not to say adults can't enjoy WoW or any other game thats aimed at a younger demographic but if your playing Spiro the Dragon and think thats aimed at adults then sorry your just talking out your pants . I play WoW now and then still and enjoy it for what it is . The PvPs still a lot of fun but I'm under no illusion who the games aimed at and I'm fine with that . I don't need to validate my choices unlike some people .
Ozzy ozbourne, Mr T, Jean Claude VanDam, Vern Troyer, William Shatner, Steve Van Zandt, etc. These are not icons to children and if wow was aimed at children they would use appropriate spokespeople. Toyota even used wow in a commercial.
Neilsen surveys showed that 1.1 million of their 1.8 million unique wow players were in the 25-54 age bracket. Source
I know it is popular around here to paint wow as some childrens game, but it is really just an empty argument that isn't very factual. Blizzard has aimed wow at adults and has dominated that market share.
Velious, Gates of Discord, Shadows of Lucin > Catacyslm and its not even close but I agree comparing a game made for kids - yes this game is made for kids just look at the so called community and what Blizzard does against it (nothing) - with the best game ever made isn't fair. It might be the best WoW expansion I'll give you that personally I'm sure BC was better anyway...good expansion? maybe. best expansion of ALL MMORPGs? not even close.
We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!
"Everything you're bitching about is wrong. People don't have the time to invest in corpse runs, impossible zones, or long winded quests. Sometimes, they just want to pop on and play." "Then maybe MMORPGs aren't for you."
Velious, Gates of Discord, Shadows of Lucin > Catacyslm and its not even close but I agree comparing a game made for kids - yes this game is made for kids just look at the so called community and what Blizzard does against it (nothing) - with the best game ever made isn't fair. It might be the best WoW expansion I'll give you that personally I'm sure BC was better anyway...good expansion? maybe. best expansion of ALL MMORPGs? not even close.
I find it ironic that you praise EQ, but condem wow on its community. The EQ community was absolutely toxic. It was so bad SOE had to create a special set of rules to force players to play nice with each other (the play nice policy). If that doesn't tell you how attrocious players were to each other I don't know what will.
Of course there is always the vile chuck norris jokes getting spammed in trade chat. Oh the horror.
Edit: oh and lucin was such an awesome expansion. Cat people from the moon. Yay!
Defending WoW and arguing about it is a lost cause to people who don't care for it (yet decidedly have nothing better to do than bash a game instead of praising another). Try convincing a devout atheist (yes, I used that for irony/oxymoronic fashion) that there's a God and you'll find yourself in the same position as trying to convince someone who doesn't like or care for a World of Warcraft that it's worth their time. There are facts to support WoW's accomplishments and great ideas and the likes, but what you'll hear from someone is "oh, that's not innovative" or "oh, they just did this and this, how is that improvement?" People realize the OP is saying it's the best he's ever experienced and not the best you'll ever experience...right?
I'm sure kids play WoW. But when you play WoW you won't usually hear the voice of children raiding or being engaged in conversation at all. People who think WoW is a kid's game are weird, but it doesn't matter.
I have a better idea. To those defending the game (and can afford 15/mo. because they don't have ridiculous college loans to pay off), go play it. You're wasting your time defending it.
To those hating on WoW (or not-liking on it), go find another game or something to keep you busy. No one is telling you to play, not even this OP, just that it's good and they enjoy it a lot. Only an arrogant person with one way of thinking is stupid enough to tell someone who is having fun that they're not having as much fun as they think. Laughable.
By the way, the lore is the most fun thing about WoW, in my opinion. It's engaging and let's you be a semi-hero in a world. It's like fighting alongside great generals and presidents of the past...all of those people are probably considered heroes in most fashions. Here, you fight alongside Thrall and Stormrage and Hellscream...c'mon, that's sick. You even
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rescue Thrall in the middle of the new Goblin starting campaign and he later turns you into a Tornado where you go around and shoot lightning at alliance on boats...c'mon now, how is that not awesome.
*end of spoiler alert*
It's nostalgic and funny and cool. Leave WoW alone, it has its many moments, and yeah, it keeps the same grind and such as it has, but it keeps tweaking and revamping for the better as time progresses (I won't speak for WotLK, but I'm sure it was fun in a lore/other aspects in the least). Just have fun with it...go in with a FUN mindset and...you know what...it might just be fun. Enjoy!
I've been mmo gaming for years now and between the old formula of adding expansion after expansion at a alarming unhealthy way, I can clearly state that Cata is by far the best 2-part expansion released in my mmo playing life so far. It just seems so logical for Blizzard to bring their lore and world full circle. Honestly there are key things I think Blizzard did that I don't think I've ever witnessed in an expansion:
Revamping the old world into a fully 3D version from a smoke and mirror version to allow flying
Revamping the old questing treadmill and scrapping thousands of quest and introducing a more story driven version
Revamping the old skill gaining system without killing their core gameplay while future proofing for later expansions
Changing the old world's lore and look to reflect what has happened from past expansions
And I'm saying all of this even after experiencing:
UO's 3D client expansion flop (World changing attempt)
I could add more but the list would get too freakin long. I hope more developers are taking notes as to how to pace expansions and how to go about adding content to your mmo in the most logical sense to your own. I'm tired of the half ass attempts that most of these companies put into releasing expansions. One view of the behind the scenes dvd of cata's birth will have you scratching your head at why other developers can only drawn in limited audiences. I guess their passions don't run as deep.
Had to LOL at this. Half assed as in mixxing a few things around in Azeroth, while not adding new classes to give a veteran a reason to go back through and experience it. I mean 2 new races but for what when there arent any new classes to experience?!? Oh wait lemme guess, they added classes to races that weren't there before and we spin this to make the lemmings feel like they are playen something new. Maybe I am just bitter because I came from FFXI where there were a huge amount of options of what to play, but even my wife (who was the reason I ever played WoW) has no interest in this expansion after how easy the game has become and shes about as casual as you can get.
I hear the new heroics are hard and take time to clear. Sure for now but they will be dumbed down in no time to appease the masses. Game has lost its appeal, and this expansion failed to strike even a spark of interest. But to each his own, if you wanna pay this lazy company for a shitty product, who am I to tell you you are wrong, but I wouldn't claim its the best expansion ever released by any means. Opinions may vary.
Remember the pattern goes 1) Add everything. 2) Add Races. 3) At class 4) Add races. I'm pretty sure it's safe to say next expansion will be a new class. I personally like the new questing design. Each zone has it's own story, that progresses exactly as planned.
Right now, yes even normal mode dungeons are hard and take time to clear. I constantly hear about wipes. Some think that the trash is harder than the actual boss.
My biggest complaint with this new expansion is all the kill x mob quests, and collect x item quests. SOOOOOOOOOO many of those. In fact, by the time I got to Uldum I'm so sick of leveling because of the sheer amount of these quests. Every so often you get a fun quest, but for the most part it's the kill x mob quests. Blizzard's favorite numbers seem to be 5, 6, 10, 12. Why can't we go with a nice, less time consuming odd number like 3...
i always find it strange people saying that it's more story driven just because now there are more NPC conversations. Animating something that you read before in the log doesnt make something more of a story, it's the same content it's just a different presentation.
I Just wonder why people don't question some of things i have...
Sure it's a new game... but it won't be in 3 years... and yeah sure another expansion will come along and will they revamp the world again so it looks fresh new again ? Ok that just seems like a loop where the game story will obviously fall apart... and the whole meaning of playing world of WARCRAFT loses its meaning for many people who actually liked the story from the WARCRAFT series.
Yey for 5 more levels which someone made in like... 6 hours aparantly, that doesn't look much of a challenge.. just another grind it up deal... and make you feel powerful then ever... then comes that gnome/goblin with that extreme powerful gear and pwns you like you're butter ^^
I'm actually not quite the hater but not quite the fanboy of wow... i played it, i enjoyed it... but after you do it for some years... you just begin to see some things happening over and over again along XPACS... and i'm sure cataclysm is a great and the best XPAC ever... but in a few years, like I wrote... it will all be old and sad like old azeroth... imho.
The problem is they didnt expand the game at all really.
What did this expansion REALLY do to WoW?
It changed the mechanics of classes, but they are all pretty much the same. Some work differently, but mainly its minor stylistic differences at most. We arent talking completely new mechanics, we are talking slight modifications of the former classes to stream line balance.
You just described EVERY mmo. There is no difference hardly at all between any class. You click a button, a spell effect flies out your butt and the bad guy dies. You play a different class you push a differently named button, different spell effects fly out, bad guy dies. You play a fighter, your "rage" bar goes up and you have to wait to cast, you play a rogue it goes down.
I've yet to play a game where the classes felt truly distinct from one another where i just wasn't playing the same thing as i was before except with different names and spell effects.
I will agree though that 5 levels is pretty lame, but the revamp to the old world was great and it's more than worth it to level up again from 1-60 just to experience some of those very well done quests. At least horde side, i dunno if the alliance ones are any good.
Have to agree with others in that it's not their best but most it is their most improved expansion and not really a true expansion of the game, mostly a revamp of 1-60 areas, quests and skills. Only thing new they added was the two new races and some new dungeouns.Otherwise i've seen better expansions from other games.
Think their next expansion if it is a true expansion of the game will be their best ever. Will it be the best expansion ever? Have no idea, have to wait and see.
I liked both prior Wow expansions more so far. I've got two characters at 82 and they've been mostly stuck grinding quests that don't interest me under water without being able to even enter the new instances (via queues). I feel like the characters are trapped in so far as they can go forward through the phasing/quest chain or back to Stormwind but nowhere/nothing else. I have at least 1 of every class at or very near 80 and have 0 interest in rehashing the 0-75 content just for new races or new class/race combos or even to see what's changed in the old content. My brain has actually been wandering to other games for the last week or so. The water world is nice to spend a few hours but not 25+, especially with multiple characters.
Class mechanics may have changed but I don't see any more balance than there has ever been and there's far less customization possible with class specs.
Have to agree with others in that it's not their best but most it is their most improved expansion and not really a true expansion of the game, mostly a revamp of 1-60 areas, quests and skills. Only thing new they added was the two new races and some new dungeouns.Otherwise i've seen better expansions from other games.
Think their next expansion if it is a true expansion of the game will be their best ever. Will it be the best expansion ever? Have no idea, have to wait and see.
The level 1 - 60 areas and class revamps are not part of the expansion. They were updated as part of a content patch, prior to the expansion launching.
The expansion adds: -
1) Level 81-85 zones and content
2) Archeology (secondary profession)
3) 5 (normal mode) dungeons
4) 9 (hard mode) dungeons
5) 2 new PvP scenario maps (others can still be accessed)
6) 1 new "open world" PvP zone (Wintergrap is still accessible, in addition)
7) New raid content (Baradin Hold, Blackwing Decent, The Bastion of Twillight, Throne of the Four Winds)
8) Goblin and Worgen races, plus their starting areas.
I love the expansion. It really is the fix that alot of us have been needing for a while. Also, it is bringing more people out of the woodwork making leveling toons or just grouping for instances alot easier. My only complaint is that you can pay to swap to one of the new races .Which , to me, removes the " coolness " of leveling one of those toons.
But by far I am enjoying the expansion. Being chomped on by a fish while you are fighting them is one of many fun and funny ideas put into it.
Yea Cata expansion is really FUN then rest of others MMO that I have played . Love the phasing while doing the quest. Thats why WOW still reign the King of Subs cos they know how to make a game fun.
The only reason I enjoy cata is because of my guido jew goblin. I don't like the new heroics cause 98% of the masses are retarded and only know how to use their OMGDAMAGE buttons meaning I have to wait until the 5 people I know are online to actually get through heroic content. The new gear is uglier than an unwiped ass.
And as an experiment, since it's winter break, I decided to see how lon 1-85 would take. And it took a whopping three days. 1-62 on day one, 62-80 on day two and 80-85 on day three.
One reason I always enjoyed games like FFXI more was because it wasn't focused on endgame. Unless you're going for server first 25 achievements, which I know no one here is capable of, I don't see the point of fighting to do that content. And raiding has been dumbed down contrary to popular belief. MAKING USE OF YOUR CC AND WAITING FOR TANKS TO ESTABLISH THREAT DOES NOT MEAN CONTENT IS HARDER.
Have to agree with others in that it's not their best but most it is their most improved expansion and not really a true expansion of the game, mostly a revamp of 1-60 areas, quests and skills. Only thing new they added was the two new races and some new dungeouns.Otherwise i've seen better expansions from other games.
Think their next expansion if it is a true expansion of the game will be their best ever. Will it be the best expansion ever? Have no idea, have to wait and see.
The level 1 - 60 areas and class revamps are not part of the expansion. They were updated as part of a content patch, prior to the expansion launching.
The expansion adds: -
1) Level 81-85 zones and content
2) Archeology (secondary profession)
3) 5 (normal mode) dungeons
4) 9 (hard mode) dungeons
5) 2 new PvP scenario maps (others can still be accessed)
6) 1 new "open world" PvP zone (Wintergrap is still accessible, in addition)
7) New raid content (Baradin Hold, Blackwing Decent, The Bastion of Twillight, Throne of the Four Winds)
8) Goblin and Worgen races, plus their starting areas.
I think you illustrate very well why this expansion does'nt match up to either the Lich king or the Burning Crusade or to many of the expansions of other games I've played . It seams to me that it lacks content in comparison . That why I don't think its the best expansion ever hands down . Best mmo expansion I ever played was the Burning Crusade followed by the Mines of Moria and Lich King . Mind you I'm not someone thats a massive fan of WoW and if you've been playing solidly for years I guess any new content is the best thing ever . Everyones entitled to thier own opinion though and approaching it from the angle of a long term but not constant WoW player this is the weakest of the WoW expansions to date . If there had been more endgame areas to explore or a new class I may have felt differently . I just think it lacks something and feels like its content that could have been supplied for free over a the course of a couple or so patches rather than an actual expansion to the game .
My wife would probably say it's the best expansion ever, because it's gotten me to the point where I might just quit WoW and do no gaming until Rifts is released or open beta
Have to agree with others in that it's not their best but most it is their most improved expansion and not really a true expansion of the game, mostly a revamp of 1-60 areas, quests and skills. Only thing new they added was the two new races and some new dungeouns.Otherwise i've seen better expansions from other games.
Think their next expansion if it is a true expansion of the game will be their best ever. Will it be the best expansion ever? Have no idea, have to wait and see.
The level 1 - 60 areas and class revamps are not part of the expansion. They were updated as part of a content patch, prior to the expansion launching.
The expansion adds: -
1) Level 81-85 zones and content
2) Archeology (secondary profession)
3) 5 (normal mode) dungeons
4) 9 (hard mode) dungeons
5) 2 new PvP scenario maps (others can still be accessed)
6) 1 new "open world" PvP zone (Wintergrap is still accessible, in addition)
7) New raid content (Baradin Hold, Blackwing Decent, The Bastion of Twillight, Throne of the Four Winds)
8) Goblin and Worgen races, plus their starting areas.
I think you illustrate very well why this expansion does'nt match up to either the Lich king or the Burning Crusade or to many of the expansions of other games I've played . It seams to me that it lacks content in comparison . That why I don't think its the best expansion ever hands down . Best mmo expansion I ever played was the Burning Crusade followed by the Mines of Moria and Lich King . Mind you I'm not someone thats a massive fan of WoW and if you've been playing solidly for years I guess any new content is the best thing ever . Everyones entitled to thier own opinion though and approaching it from the angle of a long term but not constant WoW player this is the weakest of the WoW expansions to date . If there had been more endgame areas to explore or a new class I may have felt differently . I just think it lacks something and feels like its content that could have been supplied for free over a the course of a couple or so patches rather than an actual expansion to the game .
And thats not enough content? they changed like 85% of the 1-60 experience and gave us new raids, new races, more pvp options, new questing zones, more dungeons and guild advancements and thats not enough? They damn near gave us a whole new games worth of content over the last few months and thats not enough?.
Have to agree with others in that it's not their best but most it is their most improved expansion and not really a true expansion of the game, mostly a revamp of 1-60 areas, quests and skills. Only thing new they added was the two new races and some new dungeouns.Otherwise i've seen better expansions from other games.
Think their next expansion if it is a true expansion of the game will be their best ever. Will it be the best expansion ever? Have no idea, have to wait and see.
The level 1 - 60 areas and class revamps are not part of the expansion. They were updated as part of a content patch, prior to the expansion launching.
The expansion adds: -
1) Level 81-85 zones and content
2) Archeology (secondary profession)
3) 5 (normal mode) dungeons
4) 9 (hard mode) dungeons
5) 2 new PvP scenario maps (others can still be accessed)
6) 1 new "open world" PvP zone (Wintergrap is still accessible, in addition)
7) New raid content (Baradin Hold, Blackwing Decent, The Bastion of Twillight, Throne of the Four Winds)
8) Goblin and Worgen races, plus their starting areas.
I think you illustrate very well why this expansion does'nt match up to either the Lich king or the Burning Crusade or to many of the expansions of other games I've played . It seams to me that it lacks content in comparison . That why I don't think its the best expansion ever hands down . Best mmo expansion I ever played was the Burning Crusade followed by the Mines of Moria and Lich King . Mind you I'm not someone thats a massive fan of WoW and if you've been playing solidly for years I guess any new content is the best thing ever . Everyones entitled to thier own opinion though and approaching it from the angle of a long term but not constant WoW player this is the weakest of the WoW expansions to date . If there had been more endgame areas to explore or a new class I may have felt differently . I just think it lacks something and feels like its content that could have been supplied for free over a the course of a couple or so patches rather than an actual expansion to the game .
WotLK had less content, TBC even less. While it covered 70 - 80, one required less quests to cover that range. The zonage from 80-85, compaired to 70-80 is also bigger. WotLK launched with only one raid. WotLK had one new class starting area, compaired to two race starting areas (which again without being combined are larger and contain more content). WotLK had 12 dungeons (compaired to 9), which is the only thing greater in quantity. However each dungeon in Cataclsym is 2 - 3 times larger than the WotLK ones, and much more difficult.
So many people here who don't have a clue what they are talking about. Cataclysm is their biggest expansion.
For the record TBC was a PoS, which is highlighted greatly now, once you get past the new level 1 - 60 content. Its like binging on your favourite candy, only then to have to go to the dentist to have all your teeth removed. At launch TBC end game was nothing more than a tiered rep grind, and if I recall correctly launched with no raid content.
I do personnally have three issues with Cataclsym: -
1) While mostly fun and interesting quest chains are long, resulting in a linear feeling. If you miss a quest you can easily run out of them as a result. Leaving one having go on the hunt for the one missed, which is a major pain.
2) End game feels extremely grindy, as at what level (i.e. normal/HC) you can run dungeons etc are tiered on average item level. In a way it reminds me of the TBC rep grind, but not quite as bad.
3) Due to the length of the dungeons, their complexity (i.e. PuGs are a complete nightmare), the slow pace of reward, and point (2), I'm not convinced it will remain fun.
My wife would probably say it's the best expansion ever, because it's gotten me to the point where I might just quit WoW and do no gaming until Rifts is released or open beta
HAHAHA..... Yeah we are the opposit. I am happy cause my wife quit and she will leave the house now, and me in peace.
Have to agree with others in that it's not their best but most it is their most improved expansion and not really a true expansion of the game, mostly a revamp of 1-60 areas, quests and skills. Only thing new they added was the two new races and some new dungeouns.Otherwise i've seen better expansions from other games.
Think their next expansion if it is a true expansion of the game will be their best ever. Will it be the best expansion ever? Have no idea, have to wait and see.
The level 1 - 60 areas and class revamps are not part of the expansion. They were updated as part of a content patch, prior to the expansion launching.
The expansion adds: -
1) Level 81-85 zones and content
2) Archeology (secondary profession)
3) 5 (normal mode) dungeons
4) 9 (hard mode) dungeons
5) 2 new PvP scenario maps (others can still be accessed)
6) 1 new "open world" PvP zone (Wintergrap is still accessible, in addition)
7) New raid content (Baradin Hold, Blackwing Decent, The Bastion of Twillight, Throne of the Four Winds)
8) Goblin and Worgen races, plus their starting areas.
Looks like the patch notes to a F2P game expansion.. 2 examples..
I'll leave you with a quote I pulled from that last link that pretty much sums up my point:
"With the addition of the continent of Kunark, the world of Norrath and the content of the game was expanded by roughly 15%. "
***For those who are left scratching their heads wondering "What the hell am I reading?"
That expansion that you just paid for, is basically something they could have added in a patch for free. It is not nearly enough content to be considered a true expansion, especially for a P2P game imo.. But whatever.
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one thing the original poster did not say is that changing zones is NOT new .
EQ1 completely revamped a few zones to look different and with different mobs(made some zones higher levels) but kept the original feel of the zone so you knew you were still playing the same zones, and this was back in 2001 !
I see some things that need to be addressed and cleared up about my opinion for the best expansion released for an mmo so far. Being the best today does not translate to being the best tomorrow. But for what it's worth, as of now, no other mmo developer has did so much as Blizzard has done to it's mmo with a single 2-part expansion. Zero. Whether you think it's a good for you personally or has enough top heavy content. The point stands that it did the most developmental work and successfully brought it from drawing table to live with very little issues.
Also to some of you that are still on that silly bandwagon who think WoW is for kids, then I ask you to try to grow your mmo base without them. Because without a influx of new players coming in to support your "hobby" you'll find it eventually dying a very slow and sad death. But don't mind me, continue to belittle the power of youth. I just ask that you do yourself a favor and try to remember that hobbies are nothing more than things you did as a kid that you carry with you into your transition to adulthood. And the only thing that changes is who's paying to support the hobby once the kid grows up.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
I dunno so much about hobbie being things I did as a kid . I'm a guitarist which I would count as a hobbie but I did'nt start untill my late teens . There wer'nt any video games untill I was about 12-14 ish and I never really got into them untill I brought an Atari ste ( remember them ) for my music and got Dungeon Master free with it . The thing I did carry on from my childhood was my love of comics . Now I would'nt compare say Spiderman which although you do get some good runs on it now and then to a series like Sandman . Ones obviously aimed more towards children than the other ,Its common sence and the same applys to WoW . Thats not to say adults can't enjoy WoW or any other game thats aimed at a younger demographic but if your playing Spiro the Dragon and think thats aimed at adults then sorry your just talking out your pants . I play WoW now and then still and enjoy it for what it is . The PvPs still a lot of fun but I'm under no illusion who the games aimed at and I'm fine with that . I don't need to validate my choices unlike some people .
Ozzy ozbourne, Mr T, Jean Claude VanDam, Vern Troyer, William Shatner, Steve Van Zandt, etc. These are not icons to children and if wow was aimed at children they would use appropriate spokespeople. Toyota even used wow in a commercial.
Neilsen surveys showed that 1.1 million of their 1.8 million unique wow players were in the 25-54 age bracket. Source
I know it is popular around here to paint wow as some childrens game, but it is really just an empty argument that isn't very factual. Blizzard has aimed wow at adults and has dominated that market share.
We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!
"Everything you're bitching about is wrong. People don't have the time to invest in corpse runs, impossible zones, or long winded quests. Sometimes, they just want to pop on and play."
"Then maybe MMORPGs aren't for you."
I find it ironic that you praise EQ, but condem wow on its community. The EQ community was absolutely toxic. It was so bad SOE had to create a special set of rules to force players to play nice with each other (the play nice policy). If that doesn't tell you how attrocious players were to each other I don't know what will.
Of course there is always the vile chuck norris jokes getting spammed in trade chat. Oh the horror.
Edit: oh and lucin was such an awesome expansion. Cat people from the moon. Yay!
Defending WoW and arguing about it is a lost cause to people who don't care for it (yet decidedly have nothing better to do than bash a game instead of praising another). Try convincing a devout atheist (yes, I used that for irony/oxymoronic fashion) that there's a God and you'll find yourself in the same position as trying to convince someone who doesn't like or care for a World of Warcraft that it's worth their time. There are facts to support WoW's accomplishments and great ideas and the likes, but what you'll hear from someone is "oh, that's not innovative" or "oh, they just did this and this, how is that improvement?" People realize the OP is saying it's the best he's ever experienced and not the best you'll ever experience...right?
I'm sure kids play WoW. But when you play WoW you won't usually hear the voice of children raiding or being engaged in conversation at all. People who think WoW is a kid's game are weird, but it doesn't matter.
I have a better idea. To those defending the game (and can afford 15/mo. because they don't have ridiculous college loans to pay off), go play it. You're wasting your time defending it.
To those hating on WoW (or not-liking on it), go find another game or something to keep you busy. No one is telling you to play, not even this OP, just that it's good and they enjoy it a lot. Only an arrogant person with one way of thinking is stupid enough to tell someone who is having fun that they're not having as much fun as they think. Laughable.
By the way, the lore is the most fun thing about WoW, in my opinion. It's engaging and let's you be a semi-hero in a world. It's like fighting alongside great generals and presidents of the past...all of those people are probably considered heroes in most fashions. Here, you fight alongside Thrall and Stormrage and Hellscream...c'mon, that's sick. You even
*spoiler alert*
rescue Thrall in the middle of the new Goblin starting campaign and he later turns you into a Tornado where you go around and shoot lightning at alliance on boats...c'mon now, how is that not awesome.
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It's nostalgic and funny and cool. Leave WoW alone, it has its many moments, and yeah, it keeps the same grind and such as it has, but it keeps tweaking and revamping for the better as time progresses (I won't speak for WotLK, but I'm sure it was fun in a lore/other aspects in the least). Just have fun with it...go in with a FUN mindset and...you know what...it might just be fun. Enjoy!
Remember the pattern goes 1) Add everything. 2) Add Races. 3) At class 4) Add races. I'm pretty sure it's safe to say next expansion will be a new class. I personally like the new questing design. Each zone has it's own story, that progresses exactly as planned.
Right now, yes even normal mode dungeons are hard and take time to clear. I constantly hear about wipes. Some think that the trash is harder than the actual boss.
My biggest complaint with this new expansion is all the kill x mob quests, and collect x item quests. SOOOOOOOOOO many of those. In fact, by the time I got to Uldum I'm so sick of leveling because of the sheer amount of these quests. Every so often you get a fun quest, but for the most part it's the kill x mob quests. Blizzard's favorite numbers seem to be 5, 6, 10, 12. Why can't we go with a nice, less time consuming odd number like 3...
WoW Sidequests
I Just wonder why people don't question some of things i have...
Sure it's a new game... but it won't be in 3 years... and yeah sure another expansion will come along and will they revamp the world again so it looks fresh new again ? Ok that just seems like a loop where the game story will obviously fall apart... and the whole meaning of playing world of WARCRAFT loses its meaning for many people who actually liked the story from the WARCRAFT series.
Yey for 5 more levels which someone made in like... 6 hours aparantly, that doesn't look much of a challenge.. just another grind it up deal... and make you feel powerful then ever... then comes that gnome/goblin with that extreme powerful gear and pwns you like you're butter ^^
I'm actually not quite the hater but not quite the fanboy of wow... i played it, i enjoyed it... but after you do it for some years... you just begin to see some things happening over and over again along XPACS... and i'm sure cataclysm is a great and the best XPAC ever... but in a few years, like I wrote... it will all be old and sad like old azeroth... imho.
You just described EVERY mmo. There is no difference hardly at all between any class. You click a button, a spell effect flies out your butt and the bad guy dies. You play a different class you push a differently named button, different spell effects fly out, bad guy dies. You play a fighter, your "rage" bar goes up and you have to wait to cast, you play a rogue it goes down.
I've yet to play a game where the classes felt truly distinct from one another where i just wasn't playing the same thing as i was before except with different names and spell effects.
I will agree though that 5 levels is pretty lame, but the revamp to the old world was great and it's more than worth it to level up again from 1-60 just to experience some of those very well done quests. At least horde side, i dunno if the alliance ones are any good.
Have to agree with others in that it's not their best but most it is their most improved expansion and not really a true expansion of the game, mostly a revamp of 1-60 areas, quests and skills. Only thing new they added was the two new races and some new dungeouns.Otherwise i've seen better expansions from other games.
Think their next expansion if it is a true expansion of the game will be their best ever. Will it be the best expansion ever? Have no idea, have to wait and see.
I liked both prior Wow expansions more so far. I've got two characters at 82 and they've been mostly stuck grinding quests that don't interest me under water without being able to even enter the new instances (via queues). I feel like the characters are trapped in so far as they can go forward through the phasing/quest chain or back to Stormwind but nowhere/nothing else. I have at least 1 of every class at or very near 80 and have 0 interest in rehashing the 0-75 content just for new races or new class/race combos or even to see what's changed in the old content. My brain has actually been wandering to other games for the last week or so. The water world is nice to spend a few hours but not 25+, especially with multiple characters.
Class mechanics may have changed but I don't see any more balance than there has ever been and there's far less customization possible with class specs.
The level 1 - 60 areas and class revamps are not part of the expansion. They were updated as part of a content patch, prior to the expansion launching.
The expansion adds: -
1) Level 81-85 zones and content
2) Archeology (secondary profession)
3) 5 (normal mode) dungeons
4) 9 (hard mode) dungeons
5) 2 new PvP scenario maps (others can still be accessed)
6) 1 new "open world" PvP zone (Wintergrap is still accessible, in addition)
7) New raid content (Baradin Hold, Blackwing Decent, The Bastion of Twillight, Throne of the Four Winds)
8) Goblin and Worgen races, plus their starting areas.
I love the expansion. It really is the fix that alot of us have been needing for a while. Also, it is bringing more people out of the woodwork making leveling toons or just grouping for instances alot easier. My only complaint is that you can pay to swap to one of the new races .Which , to me, removes the " coolness " of leveling one of those toons.
But by far I am enjoying the expansion. Being chomped on by a fish while you are fighting them is one of many fun and funny ideas put into it.
My 2 cents
Yea Cata expansion is really FUN then rest of others MMO that I have played . Love the phasing while doing the quest. Thats why WOW still reign the King of Subs cos they know how to make a game fun.
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Pardon my English as it is not my 1st language
The only reason I enjoy cata is because of my guido jew goblin. I don't like the new heroics cause 98% of the masses are retarded and only know how to use their OMGDAMAGE buttons meaning I have to wait until the 5 people I know are online to actually get through heroic content. The new gear is uglier than an unwiped ass.
And as an experiment, since it's winter break, I decided to see how lon 1-85 would take. And it took a whopping three days. 1-62 on day one, 62-80 on day two and 80-85 on day three.
One reason I always enjoyed games like FFXI more was because it wasn't focused on endgame. Unless you're going for server first 25 achievements, which I know no one here is capable of, I don't see the point of fighting to do that content. And raiding has been dumbed down contrary to popular belief. MAKING USE OF YOUR CC AND WAITING FOR TANKS TO ESTABLISH THREAT DOES NOT MEAN CONTENT IS HARDER.
I think you illustrate very well why this expansion does'nt match up to either the Lich king or the Burning Crusade or to many of the expansions of other games I've played . It seams to me that it lacks content in comparison . That why I don't think its the best expansion ever hands down . Best mmo expansion I ever played was the Burning Crusade followed by the Mines of Moria and Lich King . Mind you I'm not someone thats a massive fan of WoW and if you've been playing solidly for years I guess any new content is the best thing ever . Everyones entitled to thier own opinion though and approaching it from the angle of a long term but not constant WoW player this is the weakest of the WoW expansions to date . If there had been more endgame areas to explore or a new class I may have felt differently . I just think it lacks something and feels like its content that could have been supplied for free over a the course of a couple or so patches rather than an actual expansion to the game .
My wife would probably say it's the best expansion ever, because it's gotten me to the point where I might just quit WoW and do no gaming until Rifts is released or open beta
And thats not enough content? they changed like 85% of the 1-60 experience and gave us new raids, new races, more pvp options, new questing zones, more dungeons and guild advancements and thats not enough? They damn near gave us a whole new games worth of content over the last few months and thats not enough?.
HEAVEN OR HELL
Duel 1
Lets ROCK!
WotLK had less content, TBC even less. While it covered 70 - 80, one required less quests to cover that range. The zonage from 80-85, compaired to 70-80 is also bigger. WotLK launched with only one raid. WotLK had one new class starting area, compaired to two race starting areas (which again without being combined are larger and contain more content). WotLK had 12 dungeons (compaired to 9), which is the only thing greater in quantity. However each dungeon in Cataclsym is 2 - 3 times larger than the WotLK ones, and much more difficult.
So many people here who don't have a clue what they are talking about. Cataclysm is their biggest expansion.
For the record TBC was a PoS, which is highlighted greatly now, once you get past the new level 1 - 60 content. Its like binging on your favourite candy, only then to have to go to the dentist to have all your teeth removed. At launch TBC end game was nothing more than a tiered rep grind, and if I recall correctly launched with no raid content.
I do personnally have three issues with Cataclsym: -
1) While mostly fun and interesting quest chains are long, resulting in a linear feeling. If you miss a quest you can easily run out of them as a result. Leaving one having go on the hunt for the one missed, which is a major pain.
2) End game feels extremely grindy, as at what level (i.e. normal/HC) you can run dungeons etc are tiered on average item level. In a way it reminds me of the TBC rep grind, but not quite as bad.
3) Due to the length of the dungeons, their complexity (i.e. PuGs are a complete nightmare), the slow pace of reward, and point (2), I'm not convinced it will remain fun.
HAHAHA..... Yeah we are the opposit. I am happy cause my wife quit and she will leave the house now, and me in peace.
RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.
Looks like the patch notes to a F2P game expansion.. 2 examples..
http://www.aeriagames.com/forums/en/viewtopic.php?p=7987293#7987293
http://pwi.perfectworld.com/expansion/features
Mind you, those are free to the users.. What P2P expansions USED to look like?
http://www.anarchy-online.com/wsp/anarchy/frontend.cgi?func=frontend.show&table=PUBLISH&template=drill&func_id=1082&navID=1003,1005,1053,1082
http://www.giantbomb.com/everquest-the-ruins-of-kunark/61-7725/
I'll leave you with a quote I pulled from that last link that pretty much sums up my point:
"With the addition of the continent of Kunark, the world of Norrath and the content of the game was expanded by roughly 15%. "
***For those who are left scratching their heads wondering "What the hell am I reading?"
That expansion that you just paid for, is basically something they could have added in a patch for free. It is not nearly enough content to be considered a true expansion, especially for a P2P game imo.. But whatever.
What the hell has Everquest, got to do with a WoW expansion?
Sorry, but you have no clue what you are talking about. Instead simply trying to generalise what they've actually done.
what the hell does your response have to do with my response?
Sorry, but you have no clue what I'm talking about therefore you have no idea what you are talking about..