When I want real MMO news I head over to Massively, when I want articles like this that have nothing to do with MMORPG's I come here. Seriously, you can at least be honest with your reader base and start the article off with "Hey, this has nothing to do with MMO's but we want to nut hug Bioware a little with their upcoming game." To try and convince your reader base that this article has anything to do with mmo's is a farce, mostly because you yourselves know it doesn't belong here. LOL Bravo Jon, Bravo.
Yup, ya got me. Obviously this is some kind of huge consipracy. I actually live to be dishonest. it's how I like to make my living.
OR, maybe, just MAYBE there actually IS something to be gleaned from looking at previous games from the same company. Maybe, given that The Old Repulic has been touted over and over again as a story-based "Bioware" style game, it's a good idea to actually take a look at the other game that the company is developing simultaneously with TOR. Just because they're not the same game, doesn't mean that tehre's isn't something to look at there and that it isn't worth having at least a terciary knowledge of DAII.
Yiou don't have to agree with me. It's your right not to, but don't pretend that you know me, and don't pretend that you know my motives. You don't. It's that simple.
Cmmon Stradden.
Its clearly and obviously payed jurnalism. Which is ok. You got to make living somehow.
Actually I blame EA for offering money even to mmorpg sites to advertise their game.
As for DA2
Console game, for console people.
Bioware is long gone from the list of true RPG makers
Yes they are long gone and should take up making movies because that's all they do now.
. Now, before the forums are flooded with the fact that Dragon Age II is not an MMORPG, and that we've broken some cardinal rule by even daring to publish an article based on the game, I'm going to tell you that I disagree. Getting a glimpse at the development of one of Bioware's marquee RPG titles does provide at least someinsight into what we can expect from the upcoming Old Republic title.
seems they predicted the response to a T.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Unless your not being literal here because if you are true RPG hold to this code
A role-playing game (RPG) is a broad family of games in which players assume the roles ofcharacters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting, or through a process of structured decision-making or character development.[1] Actions taken within the game succeed or fail according to a formal system of rulesand guidelines.[2]
Don't mind them. People who think and say that games like DA:O, ME and others like it aren't RPG's are the 'grumpy old men' of the gamer scene, and just like (some) old people that have lost touch with how the world has changed and can do nothing but complain, that type of gamers have become too bored and jaded as well to enjoy any gaming outside of a narrow band that fits their taste. They should be pitied, because they're the ones that can do nothing but complain and go all sour grape and pine away for 90% of the time longing for the scarce few games among the mass that comes out that fits their taste.
In contrast to people who can enjoy and have a blast with a broader range of games, whether that be MMORPG's or singleplayer games
As for whether DA:O should be named here, well, that's the same discussion as when Starcraft 2 got some articles and features here. Personally I think they don't fit here - even more SC2 which was an RTS game - but if they are getting a news item then some others should get a newsitem too. Then again, wasn't there a sister site of mmorpg.com for that, the one that is sometimes mentioned here?
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
When I want real MMO news I head over to Massively, when I want articles like this that have nothing to do with MMORPG's I come here. Seriously, you can at least be honest with your reader base and start the article off with "Hey, this has nothing to do with MMO's but we want to nut hug Bioware a little with their upcoming game." To try and convince your reader base that this article has anything to do with mmo's is a farce, mostly because you yourselves know it doesn't belong here. LOL Bravo Jon, Bravo.
Yup, ya got me. Obviously this is some kind of huge consipracy. I actually live to be dishonest. it's how I like to make my living.
OR, maybe, just MAYBE there actually IS something to be gleaned from looking at previous games from the same company. Maybe, given that The Old Repulic has been touted over and over again as a story-based "Bioware" style game, it's a good idea to actually take a look at the other game that the company is developing simultaneously with TOR. Just because they're not the same game, doesn't mean that tehre's isn't something to look at there and that it isn't worth having at least a terciary knowledge of DAII.
Yiou don't have to agree with me. It's your right not to, but don't pretend that you know me, and don't pretend that you know my motives. You don't. It's that simple.
Cmmon Stradden.
Its clearly and obviously payed jurnalism. Which is ok. You got to make living somehow.
Actually I blame EA for offering money even to mmorpg sites to advertise their game.
As for DA2
Console game, for console people.
Bioware is long gone from the list of true RPG makers
Its an unfair generalization to say " you cant have a proper RPG on a console "
I play only on PC but there are games that get developed for both PC and Console that offer an open world ,many quests and an immersive RPG experience ..look at Fallout New Vegas ..that game is the same or better than its predecessors
I agree that DA is not as complex as BG1 &BG2 but it still is a very entertaining game
ME 1 & ME 2 were entertaining..were they challenging and did they offer deep game-play with this myriad of quests ...no
But the story and interaction with characters was brilliant...you wanted to finish the game .." what did the Reapers and Collectors want " ??
I will buy DA 2 ...I don't expect a Baldur GateNWN experience but you need to see these types of new games from Bioware in the context that they are
They are RPG's of a different type and they are fun...thats all you should expect ...entertainment ..not epiphanies
Also thanks MMORPG.COM for this information on DA 2
Now, before the forums are flooded with the fact that Dragon Age II is not an MMORPG, and that we've broken some cardinal rule by even daring to publish an article based on the game, I'm going to tell you that I disagree. Getting a glimpse at the development of one of Bioware's marquee RPG titles does provide at least someinsight into what we can expect from the upcoming Old Republic title.
The only thing I'm getting from this is that TOR will only have 1 race to choose from.
Now, before the forums are flooded with the fact that Dragon Age II is not an MMORPG, and that we've broken some cardinal rule by even daring to publish an article based on the game, I'm going to tell you that I disagree. Getting a glimpse at the development of one of Bioware's marquee RPG titles does provide at least someinsight into what we can expect from the upcoming Old Republic title.
The only thing I'm getting from this is that TOR will only have 1 race to choose from.
Is that true?!
Hope your really not serious about that...because if you are...well i don't know where to go with that. It's more about direction and how they put you as the hero. It's to give you a scope on how they do their games.
In most cases it's about choice and what those choices do to the story itself.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
If u are in gaming for stories, you guys are wrong... go and read some books if u want stories, the fact is, this game looks more playable for a greater audience and that's the point, make simple, balanced and most of everything, make it enjoyable, those are the things that sells, and that's the points of games, if they don't sell, they can't make games...
What are you smoking? What is a game without a story?
Some of the biggest games ever released have no story. A game isnt defined by having a story.
While I think Luk is indeed wrong in his extreme statement, there is plenty of room in a lot of games for a decent story (especially RPGs), so are you.
The truth is actually somewhere in the middle of the two of you.
IN the last two years the games that have won "Game of the Year" were games with stories. There are games that can surivive on the combat alone (Demon Souls, Ninja Gaiden, Bayonetta) but some of the best loved have stories that we can attach to.
You obviously missed what I said.
I wrote that some of the biggest games ever were non story games, in direct response to the claim that games were nothing without a story.
The point holds true, no matter what the 'games of the year' of the last 2 have been.
Now, before the forums are flooded with the fact that Dragon Age II is not an MMORPG, and that we've broken some cardinal rule by even daring to publish an article based on the game, I'm going to tell you that I disagree. Getting a glimpse at the development of one of Bioware's marquee RPG titles does provide at least someinsight into what we can expect from the upcoming Old Republic title.
The only thing I'm getting from this is that TOR will only have 1 race to choose from.
Is that true?!
Hope your really not serious about that...because if you are...well i don't know where to go with that. It's more about direction and how they put you as the hero. It's to give you a scope on how they do their games.
In most cases it's about choice and what those choices do to the story itself.
I was being sarcastic.
Excuse for publishing this non mmo news was that DA would give insight into TOR ...
I'm cautiously optimistic for Dragon Age 2 after seeing the recent combat trailer. It looks like combat is still largely the same as in Dragon Age: Origins, which is a good thing. That was the prime concern after their PR misdirection of late, but it seems to be largely untouched. But they seem to have lost touch with some of the things that make a good RPG as opposed to a good, simplistic, console action game:
The underlying engine may be more capable, but the screenshots and gameplay footage make DA2 look worse than DA:O. The environments seem sterile and lifeless, the textures washed out, the skill effects bland and the simple sky boxes shown thus far seem a very bad reason indeed to leave out an isometric perspective.
The simplified UI looks like a badly done WoW UI redesign mod made in a lazy afternoon with only a basic understanding of Photoshop. Terrible.
Dialogue wheels have never been anything but bad for presenting dialogue in RPGs. It's a major step back, not forward.
The animation is pushed a little too far into console action game territory. I like that it's more intense, which will certainly help the game shift more copies (although DA:O already did very well on PC with reputedly over 3 million copies sold), but some of the animations are a bit too springy as if it's a cartoon with a few frames missing.
Yet some of the negatives others have raised in these comments are surely positives in my book. The undefined hero for Dragon Age: Origins added very little value to the game, with only minimal interaction based on race and origin past the 2 hours spent in the origins story itself. RPGs like The Witcher have already proven that it's possible to make far superior RPGs (in the storytelling and roleplaying fronts alike) with a predefined hero that has a lot of options during the ongoing narrative, than presenting a lot of character creation options ahead of time in a carefully pre-planned narrative.
Similarly the lack of an open world is something that I consider a good thing. Dragon Age: Origins certainly awarded exploration with special items, lore notes, random encounters and side quests hidden away in every nook and cranny of the game world. It felt like you were truly exploring a living and breathing fantasy world, with high quality content throughout, despite the loading screens. Compare this to a Fallout: New Vegas that sees vast swaths of nothingness interspersed with the occasional mildly interesting encounter and only mildly interesting storytelling. It certainly has a huge game world to walk around, but there's fairly little to explore and it adds nothing to the atmosphere that a much more compact game world wouldn't have presented in a far superior format.
And to those praising Neverwinter Nights as if it were a better game than Dragon Age: Origins: you're obviously suffering from nostalgia induced illusions. NWN was great for its modding capability and I've played it for countless hours, but it's also easily the worst singleplayer RPG experience that BioWare has ever created. The storytelling and dialogue were bland while the gameplay was simplistic hack&slash with minimal interaction outside of combat. NWN's official campaign makes Jade Empire look good, let alone Dragon Age: Origins which actually was good (even if a tad predictable). If a lack of racial options for character creation (gender/class/appearance options remain) and the removal of origin stories allows BioWare to tell a better story with more narrative options for increased replayability, then I'm all for it.
If u are in gaming for stories, you guys are wrong... go and read some books if u want stories, the fact is, this game looks more playable for a greater audience and that's the point, make simple, balanced and most of everything, make it enjoyable, those are the things that sells, and that's the points of games, if they don't sell, they can't make games...
What are you smoking? What is a game without a story?
Some of the biggest games ever released have no story. A game isnt defined by having a story.
While I think Luk is indeed wrong in his extreme statement, there is plenty of room in a lot of games for a decent story (especially RPGs), so are you.
The truth is actually somewhere in the middle of the two of you.
IN the last two years the games that have won "Game of the Year" were games with stories. There are games that can surivive on the combat alone (Demon Souls, Ninja Gaiden, Bayonetta) but some of the best loved have stories that we can attach to.
You obviously missed what I said.
I wrote that some of the biggest games ever were non story games, in direct response to the claim that games were nothing without a story.
The point holds true, no matter what the 'games of the year' of the last 2 have been.
Yes but obviously we are talking about RPG's....DA1 and DA 2 and similar games
Therefore to say the story doesn't matter is incorrect and shows a profound misunderstanding of what an RPG is
Funny you should mention BG, i might be getting that for Xmas (yes i like old school games and this is one of them *shock* I haven't played yet.)
Lets see how old BG (i'm sure i'll have to tweak it) stands up against the new DA2. (it will fail in graphics for obvious reasons but i wonder how the two stand up elsewhere) It will tell me a lot more about what direction BW is going if i get a before (BG) and a after (ME/DA2) and ultimately ToR.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
If u are in gaming for stories, you guys are wrong... go and read some books if u want stories, the fact is, this game looks more playable for a greater audience and that's the point, make simple, balanced and most of everything, make it enjoyable, those are the things that sells, and that's the points of games, if they don't sell, they can't make games...
What are you smoking? What is a game without a story?
Some of the biggest games ever released have no story. A game isnt defined by having a story.
While I think Luk is indeed wrong in his extreme statement, there is plenty of room in a lot of games for a decent story (especially RPGs), so are you.
The truth is actually somewhere in the middle of the two of you.
IN the last two years the games that have won "Game of the Year" were games with stories. There are games that can surivive on the combat alone (Demon Souls, Ninja Gaiden, Bayonetta) but some of the best loved have stories that we can attach to.
You obviously missed what I said.
I wrote that some of the biggest games ever were non story games, in direct response to the claim that games were nothing without a story.
The point holds true, no matter what the 'games of the year' of the last 2 have been.
Yes but obviously we are talking about RPG's....DA1 and DA 2 and similar games
Therefore to say the story doesn't matter is incorrect and shows a profound misunderstanding of what an RPG is
You have projected what you thought I was saying onto what I actually was saying, but dont worry its a common mistake around here.
Trying to extend that then to saying I have a profound misunderstanding what a RPG is is obviously just silly and trying to score cheap points in a debate you obviously think we are having, but we really arnt.
My previous resonse blatantly stated; "While I think Luk is indeed wrong in his extreme statement, there is plenty of room in a lot of games for a decent story (especially RPGs), so are you. "
I would have thought this in itself would have made what I was saying clear, but obviously you want to have some kind of pedantic sqabble about it.
Anyhow, thats me done in this particular exchange, you either get what I am saying or you dont. You can have the last word if it makes you feel like a clever winner, it's all good.
If u are in gaming for stories, you guys are wrong... go and read some books if u want stories, the fact is, this game looks more playable for a greater audience and that's the point, make simple, balanced and most of everything, make it enjoyable, those are the things that sells, and that's the points of games, if they don't sell, they can't make games...
What are you smoking? What is a game without a story?
Some of the biggest games ever released have no story. A game isnt defined by having a story.
While I think Luk is indeed wrong in his extreme statement, there is plenty of room in a lot of games for a decent story (especially RPGs), so are you.
The truth is actually somewhere in the middle of the two of you.
IN the last two years the games that have won "Game of the Year" were games with stories. There are games that can surivive on the combat alone (Demon Souls, Ninja Gaiden, Bayonetta) but some of the best loved have stories that we can attach to.
You obviously missed what I said.
I wrote that some of the biggest games ever were non story games, in direct response to the claim that games were nothing without a story.
The point holds true, no matter what the 'games of the year' of the last 2 have been.
Yes but obviously we are talking about RPG's....DA1 and DA 2 and similar games
Therefore to say the story doesn't matter is incorrect and shows a profound misunderstanding of what an RPG is
You have projected what you thought I was saying onto what I actually was saying, but dont worry its a common mistake around here.
Trying to extend that then to saying I have a profound misunderstanding what a RPG is is obviously just silly and trying to score cheap points in a debate you obviously think we are having, but we really arnt.
My previous resonse blatantly stated; "While I think Luk is indeed wrong in his extreme statement, there is plenty of room in a lot of games for a decent story (especially RPGs), so are you. "
I would have thought this in itself would have made what I was saying clear, but obviously you want to have some kind of pedantic sqabble about it.
Anyhow, thats me done in this particular exchange, you either get what I am saying or you dont. You can have the last word if it makes you feel like a clever winner, it's all good.
Some posters are unhappy that a solo RPG is being reviewed but the site is mmoRPG. And you get a lot more RPG in a solo game than an online game and maybe always will.
To be fair though I think MMORPG should do 3 or 4 reviews like this a year, or do the staff think its only worth looking at as it is such a big hit? Just the high quality titles like Divinity 2 would add some balance to this review process.
I am not so sure of the business about the game maybe providing some comment on MMO’s but I don’t think it needs that to be on here.
I never have problems finding a game to play, so I am never in a rush to buy. I realised straight off that DA was going to have loads of mods released after the game was launched. So I waited until the ultimate edition was released and just purchased it.
That’s what I will do with DA2, buy it in Dec 11, of course those of you who must buy now like games were the latest clothes fashion or something, enjoy.
If they gota do some small promotion single player game articles to get a stronger relation to a mmo developer I wont object.
its not -my- wepsite, if they gona add more reviews and previews of games let them do it, hell not a chance you even get a vote in it, this website is a bussiness not -your- personal social site.
little to no info given in this review but nice anyway for its perpose.
I see most Bioware games as story games, I dont mind if they are more rpg or action focust. its about the story and the small/medium impact you have playing it. a interactive book, Will buy it and play it a few times to watch the story form all sides and fairly sure it be worth more then buying a book that cost about the same money were i cant change its story in anyway.
(unless i start taking pages out and rewrite my own:P )
I hate the bioware path since NWN, with al this "you'll play the role we have choosen for you, and you will have no choice". This is all what i hated from rpg since the 2d edition of aD&D when role players had to be feed with spoon with huge rules list and detailed books, but couldn't even create an interesting role for their characters outside the box given to them.
In NWN they had still given some freedom with the little sense of open world this game had, but Dragon Age, Mass effects, they are the worst of rpg for me.
I remember when playing NWN, and a guy came telling all those stories about dark elves and those stuff he took from books, and though to be the ultimate reality about dark elves as they really existed. Then i told him he was stupid, dark elves wasn't matriacal society and all those crap (naturally i played a rebel male so i kind of rp this too). But the guy became mad at me and began insulting me ooc, telling me i was an ignorant and knew nothing about rp blabla. Just sad, for me bioware is targeting those poor quality rper as their customers, giving them gelly spoon food, and they have so much succes. It is just so sad.
I wish we could come back to the real creativity role players had with the first d&d box, when rules and description where minimal, and all the imaginative work had to be done by players and GM. Bye bye good old days. Viva la sandbox Death to the infidels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But ye the idea to make a movie where you can play your role isn't a bad idea in itself, its just so limitating and frustrating in those games.
AD&D? OMFG, we are in the 4° edition of D&D, lol.
And of you play NWN, you are playng in Forgotten Realms, so you must folow the rules about Forgottem World, Dark Elfs and Matriarcal thinks =P
WoW (not the game) DA2 will be great, but only 1 race? OMG it sucks. Realy hard to beliave... SAD.
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Yes they are long gone and should take up making movies because that's all they do now.
Move over BioWare their is a new king in town..
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-debut-the-witcher/63501?type=flv
http://www.thewitcher.com/
What i found funny is this part of the article
. Now, before the forums are flooded with the fact that Dragon Age II is not an MMORPG, and that we've broken some cardinal rule by even daring to publish an article based on the game, I'm going to tell you that I disagree. Getting a glimpse at the development of one of Bioware's marquee RPG titles does provide at least someinsight into what we can expect from the upcoming Old Republic title.
seems they predicted the response to a T.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Don't mind them. People who think and say that games like DA:O, ME and others like it aren't RPG's are the 'grumpy old men' of the gamer scene, and just like (some) old people that have lost touch with how the world has changed and can do nothing but complain, that type of gamers have become too bored and jaded as well to enjoy any gaming outside of a narrow band that fits their taste. They should be pitied, because they're the ones that can do nothing but complain and go all sour grape and pine away for 90% of the time longing for the scarce few games among the mass that comes out that fits their taste.
In contrast to people who can enjoy and have a blast with a broader range of games, whether that be MMORPG's or singleplayer games
As for whether DA:O should be named here, well, that's the same discussion as when Starcraft 2 got some articles and features here. Personally I think they don't fit here - even more SC2 which was an RTS game - but if they are getting a news item then some others should get a newsitem too. Then again, wasn't there a sister site of mmorpg.com for that, the one that is sometimes mentioned here?
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Its an unfair generalization to say " you cant have a proper RPG on a console "
I play only on PC but there are games that get developed for both PC and Console that offer an open world ,many quests and an immersive RPG experience ..look at Fallout New Vegas ..that game is the same or better than its predecessors
I agree that DA is not as complex as BG1 &BG2 but it still is a very entertaining game
ME 1 & ME 2 were entertaining..were they challenging and did they offer deep game-play with this myriad of quests ...no
But the story and interaction with characters was brilliant...you wanted to finish the game .." what did the Reapers and Collectors want " ??
I will buy DA 2 ...I don't expect a Baldur GateNWN experience but you need to see these types of new games from Bioware in the context that they are
They are RPG's of a different type and they are fun...thats all you should expect ...entertainment ..not epiphanies
Also thanks MMORPG.COM for this information on DA 2
"after the time of dice came the day of mice "
MMO or Not.. this Game should be in the Halls of MMORPGs..
So hard to find a True RPG anywhere..
I've already put my Pre-Order Down and I'm stratching myself in Anticipation..
Now, before the forums are flooded with the fact that Dragon Age II is not an MMORPG, and that we've broken some cardinal rule by even daring to publish an article based on the game, I'm going to tell you that I disagree. Getting a glimpse at the development of one of Bioware's marquee RPG titles does provide at least someinsight into what we can expect from the upcoming Old Republic title.
The only thing I'm getting from this is that TOR will only have 1 race to choose from.
Is that true?!
Hope your really not serious about that...because if you are...well i don't know where to go with that. It's more about direction and how they put you as the hero. It's to give you a scope on how they do their games.
In most cases it's about choice and what those choices do to the story itself.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
You obviously missed what I said.
I wrote that some of the biggest games ever were non story games, in direct response to the claim that games were nothing without a story.
The point holds true, no matter what the 'games of the year' of the last 2 have been.
I was being sarcastic.
Excuse for publishing this non mmo news was that DA would give insight into TOR ...
I'm cautiously optimistic for Dragon Age 2 after seeing the recent combat trailer. It looks like combat is still largely the same as in Dragon Age: Origins, which is a good thing. That was the prime concern after their PR misdirection of late, but it seems to be largely untouched. But they seem to have lost touch with some of the things that make a good RPG as opposed to a good, simplistic, console action game:
The underlying engine may be more capable, but the screenshots and gameplay footage make DA2 look worse than DA:O. The environments seem sterile and lifeless, the textures washed out, the skill effects bland and the simple sky boxes shown thus far seem a very bad reason indeed to leave out an isometric perspective.
The simplified UI looks like a badly done WoW UI redesign mod made in a lazy afternoon with only a basic understanding of Photoshop. Terrible.
Dialogue wheels have never been anything but bad for presenting dialogue in RPGs. It's a major step back, not forward.
The animation is pushed a little too far into console action game territory. I like that it's more intense, which will certainly help the game shift more copies (although DA:O already did very well on PC with reputedly over 3 million copies sold), but some of the animations are a bit too springy as if it's a cartoon with a few frames missing.
Yet some of the negatives others have raised in these comments are surely positives in my book. The undefined hero for Dragon Age: Origins added very little value to the game, with only minimal interaction based on race and origin past the 2 hours spent in the origins story itself. RPGs like The Witcher have already proven that it's possible to make far superior RPGs (in the storytelling and roleplaying fronts alike) with a predefined hero that has a lot of options during the ongoing narrative, than presenting a lot of character creation options ahead of time in a carefully pre-planned narrative.
Similarly the lack of an open world is something that I consider a good thing. Dragon Age: Origins certainly awarded exploration with special items, lore notes, random encounters and side quests hidden away in every nook and cranny of the game world. It felt like you were truly exploring a living and breathing fantasy world, with high quality content throughout, despite the loading screens. Compare this to a Fallout: New Vegas that sees vast swaths of nothingness interspersed with the occasional mildly interesting encounter and only mildly interesting storytelling. It certainly has a huge game world to walk around, but there's fairly little to explore and it adds nothing to the atmosphere that a much more compact game world wouldn't have presented in a far superior format.
And to those praising Neverwinter Nights as if it were a better game than Dragon Age: Origins: you're obviously suffering from nostalgia induced illusions. NWN was great for its modding capability and I've played it for countless hours, but it's also easily the worst singleplayer RPG experience that BioWare has ever created. The storytelling and dialogue were bland while the gameplay was simplistic hack&slash with minimal interaction outside of combat. NWN's official campaign makes Jade Empire look good, let alone Dragon Age: Origins which actually was good (even if a tad predictable). If a lack of racial options for character creation (gender/class/appearance options remain) and the removal of origin stories allows BioWare to tell a better story with more narrative options for increased replayability, then I'm all for it.
This message was edited on 8/16/15 at 5:30:00 AM
Yes but obviously we are talking about RPG's....DA1 and DA 2 and similar games
Therefore to say the story doesn't matter is incorrect and shows a profound misunderstanding of what an RPG is
"after the time of dice came the day of mice "
let me know when they make baldur's gate online.
Funny you should mention BG, i might be getting that for Xmas (yes i like old school games and this is one of them *shock* I haven't played yet.)
Lets see how old BG (i'm sure i'll have to tweak it) stands up against the new DA2. (it will fail in graphics for obvious reasons but i wonder how the two stand up elsewhere) It will tell me a lot more about what direction BW is going if i get a before (BG) and a after (ME/DA2) and ultimately ToR.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
You have projected what you thought I was saying onto what I actually was saying, but dont worry its a common mistake around here.
Trying to extend that then to saying I have a profound misunderstanding what a RPG is is obviously just silly and trying to score cheap points in a debate you obviously think we are having, but we really arnt.
My previous resonse blatantly stated; "While I think Luk is indeed wrong in his extreme statement, there is plenty of room in a lot of games for a decent story (especially RPGs), so are you. "
I would have thought this in itself would have made what I was saying clear, but obviously you want to have some kind of pedantic sqabble about it.
Anyhow, thats me done in this particular exchange, you either get what I am saying or you dont. You can have the last word if it makes you feel like a clever winner, it's all good.
You should google for top games...doesnt matter who wrote the list if magazine or a player...
You'll always see that the top games are RPGs or heavily story driven...
And you'll understand how story can define game once you play Pplanescape Torment;)
I think I actually spent way more time reading and theorycrafting about MMOs than playing them
Sorry I did misunderstand you
Its Xmas...lets be friendly
"after the time of dice came the day of mice "
I agree with those who say this doesn't belong here. If it isn't MMO, it's got to go.
Some posters are unhappy that a solo RPG is being reviewed but the site is mmoRPG. And you get a lot more RPG in a solo game than an online game and maybe always will.
To be fair though I think MMORPG should do 3 or 4 reviews like this a year, or do the staff think its only worth looking at as it is such a big hit? Just the high quality titles like Divinity 2 would add some balance to this review process.
I am not so sure of the business about the game maybe providing some comment on MMO’s but I don’t think it needs that to be on here.
I never have problems finding a game to play, so I am never in a rush to buy. I realised straight off that DA was going to have loads of mods released after the game was launched. So I waited until the ultimate edition was released and just purchased it.
That’s what I will do with DA2, buy it in Dec 11, of course those of you who must buy now like games were the latest clothes fashion or something, enjoy.
Yes please ! But yeah, another article that could have been used to write about something related to the site.
If they gota do some small promotion single player game articles to get a stronger relation to a mmo developer I wont object.
its not -my- wepsite, if they gona add more reviews and previews of games let them do it, hell not a chance you even get a vote in it, this website is a bussiness not -your- personal social site.
little to no info given in this review but nice anyway for its perpose.
I see most Bioware games as story games, I dont mind if they are more rpg or action focust. its about the story and the small/medium impact you have playing it. a interactive book, Will buy it and play it a few times to watch the story form all sides and fairly sure it be worth more then buying a book that cost about the same money were i cant change its story in anyway.
(unless i start taking pages out and rewrite my own:P )
WTF is wrong with the Quote option? o.o