I hate when people do nothing but complain on these boards about the lack of inventiveness and then cry foul when a game goes and changes "well established" mechanics. Just like who was the person who first stated "this game isn't worth 15 it's worth like 10". Who established that value? It's ludicrious. You know why they're charging 15? BECAUSE every OTHER game on the market charges 15. They need to make money, earn development costs, etc. Undercutting the charges by too much and they no longer make money to add those necessary patches/servers. Having servers that can handle the load of THOUSANDs on at once is VERY different then some of these console onlines which only handle 32-64 and start getting glitchy/rubberbandy when those are full.
The point of this thread and the many others like it is that a lot of people feel the game isn't worth a subscription fee. Regardless of how innovative it may or may not be.
That's such hypocritical crap.
The truth is quite simple; DDO went free to play (no major MMO release before it had done so successfully, not even Anarchy Online), and then a few more did...and now the same spoiled brats who download their games and movies off the 'Net instead of paying for them have decided that all new MMOs should be free. You see it mentionned in every single upcoming game's forums on this site (and even on the games' own sites before launch).
Hell, it's happening right now in the RIFT forums. It's greed at the consumer level, and it easily matches that of the companies releasing these games.
The truth is quite simple; DDO went free to play (no major MMO release before it had done so successfully, not even Anarchy Online), and then a few more did...and now the same spoiled brats who download their games and movies off the 'Net instead of paying for them have decided that all new MMOs should be free. You see it mentionned in every single upcoming game's forums on this site (and even on the games' own sites before launch).
Hell, it's happening right now in the RIFT forums. It's greed at the consumer level, and it easily matches that of the companies releasing these games.
/applaud.
And $60 for the game + $15/month + cash shop isn't greed?
It can works both ways guys. People are sick of it and I don't blame them. Between cash shops, monthly fees, SoE's TCG lottery and DLC of re-released maps (not this game, just in general) and expansions, there seems to be more than enough "greed" in the market.
And $60 for the game + $15/month + cash shop isn't greed?
It can works both ways guys. People are sick of it and I don't blame them. Between cash shops, monthly fees, SoE's TCG lottery and DLC of re-released maps (not this game, just in general) and expansions, there seems to be more than enough "greed" in the market.
The sad thing is that got us by the short hairs in the deal.
With the number of poorly developed games being pushed out, there are a few very successful games/companies that can set the standard for pricing and the way product is purchased.
Until there's numerous successful game on the market at the sametime, there's nothing to pressure some of these companies to take on pricing models that benefit the consumers.
Free to play doesn't benefit the consumer anymore than subscriptions with cash shops and this is just due to spending trends related to each.
Defrauding? That's the analogy you're trying to make? lol.
My point is don't hold your 15$ ransom when discussing the games merits with fellow gamers. Vote with your wallet sure, but don't pretend other gamers give a shit what you do or don't do with your money. It's the same line of thinking as people who post n forums letting everyone know that they've unsubbed/rage quit. No one cares and it adds no validity to an arguement over the merits of a game.
Read the title of the thread. This entire discussion is about the game not being worth $15 a month. Not that people are holding their money ransom, it being a trivial amount of money or whatever point you are now trying to make.
The $15 subscription fee is the subject matter of this thread. I'm not sure how you missed that.
If you had bothered to read what I've posted you'd have seen I'm calling out the 'subject matter' of the thread for being the useless forum meme that it is. It's a tired attempt to add emotional weight to their argument. Just be honest and discuss the merits/failures of the game, rather than pretend that 15 dollars is the issue.
Erm now I'm confused. The whole point of the thread is its not worth the $15 a month. I assume this because of the title ",but not worth the monthly fees'. Like this whole discussion is about that is fun but not worth the $15 dollar monthly. Also of course the gamers dont care if you unsub, but the companies do.
The whole point of the thread is a lie.
How is someone's opinion a lie? I bought Just Cause 2 during the Steam Christmas sale for $7.50. It was worth $7.50 but not the $29.99 it normally costs. Thats my opinion. Others may feel it is worth the extra money. The OP seems to be making the same case here. It may be worth a box sale to him, but not the $15 a month. Understand now?
I know people get all bent out of shape whenever someone criticizes their precious but to say the whole point of this thread is a lie is going too far. This is a discussion forum. People have different opinions on games and this is the place to talk about them. Or do you not get the whole discussion forum thing???
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
I hate when people do nothing but complain on these boards about the lack of inventiveness and then cry foul when a game goes and changes "well established" mechanics. Just like who was the person who first stated "this game isn't worth 15 it's worth like 10". Who established that value? It's ludicrious. You know why they're charging 15? BECAUSE every OTHER game on the market charges 15. They need to make money, earn development costs, etc. Undercutting the charges by too much and they no longer make money to add those necessary patches/servers. Having servers that can handle the load of THOUSANDs on at once is VERY different then some of these console onlines which only handle 32-64 and start getting glitchy/rubberbandy when those are full.
The point of this thread and the many others like it is that a lot of people feel the game isn't worth a subscription fee. Regardless of how innovative it may or may not be.
That's such hypocritical crap.
The truth is quite simple; DDO went free to play (no major MMO release before it had done so successfully, not even Anarchy Online), and then a few more did...and now the same spoiled brats who download their games and movies off the 'Net instead of paying for them have decided that all new MMOs should be free. You see it mentionned in every single upcoming game's forums on this site (and even on the games' own sites before launch).
Hell, it's happening right now in the RIFT forums. It's greed at the consumer level, and it easily matches that of the companies releasing these games.
Sure some people want everything for free, but that doesn't mean any discussion about a games subscription fee is just a bunch of cheap players who want all their warez for free.
Comparing the game to itself I have to agree that there just isn't enough to justify a subscription fee.
Sure some people want everything for free, but that doesn't mean any discussion about a games subscription fee is just a bunch of cheap players who want all their warez for free.
Comparing the game to itself I have to agree that there just isn't enough to justify a subscription fee.
And thats your opinion and your loss.
Guys, not everyone will like the game at first. I didn't play WoW till 3 years after it released. It wasn't my cup o tea back then and its actually losing taste now but for awhile, i did like it. Not everyone will like DCUO at launch. Its not perfect. Its got "scary" new mechanics and gameplay and its not uncommon for people to see something and not like its initial look.
That said, it is an awesome, very fun game and i will be playing the moment it goes live. Its very much worth the $15 to me.
But i am not everyone. so to all the naysayers i say "to each his own"
SoulPlane 2: The Blackjacking is a American Movie Classic!
Sure some people want everything for free, but that doesn't mean any discussion about a games subscription fee is just a bunch of cheap players who want all their warez for free.
Comparing the game to itself I have to agree that there just isn't enough to justify a subscription fee.
And thats your opinion and your loss.
Guys, not everyone will like the game at first. I didn't play WoW till 3 years after it released. It wasn't my cup o tea back then and its actually losing taste now but for awhile, i did like it. Not everyone will like DCUO at launch. Its not perfect. Its got "scary" new mechanics and gameplay and its not uncommon for people to see something and not like its initial look.
That said, it is an awesome, very fun game and i will be playing the moment it goes live. Its very much worth the $15 to me.
But i am not everyone. so to all the naysayers i say "to each his own"
Played the "Open" Beta, reached Lvl20 in 3 days Playtime with my first char, needed about 12 hours (or 2 days Playtime) with my 2nd char and even less with my third and fourth I made to test other classes, then went ahead and PvPed, did all the Alerts/Arenas etc. with the char I liked the most, even killed all the "Bounty" monsters (even the Lvl29 ones in a Raid), did most of the Feats I could manage to do and while, yes... the game was FUN... heck I usually don't even bother with a 2nd char on most MMOs I looked at all the remaining Feats and everything that seems to be left to do and I just don't see how I could rationalize paying a monthly fee for this game that has about ~24 hours of content for a char and most of that is being shared even if you play a char of a different faction with a little differing dialogue...
Heck I spent 70-90hours on SP games like Dragon Age or King's Bounty and here I was getting bored of an MMO after a few hours with the only way to do some new stuff being to reroll.
Now as others have said, if this was F2P with Cash-Shop or Guild Wars payment model I'd probably be one of the Pre-Orders by now... as is I'll just wait a few months and see what happens, I expect player numbers to drop dramatically after the first two (or so) months and either they make the main game cheaper or they'll (hopefully) change their payment model.
Sure some people want everything for free, but that doesn't mean any discussion about a games subscription fee is just a bunch of cheap players who want all their warez for free.
Comparing the game to itself I have to agree that there just isn't enough to justify a subscription fee.
And thats your opinion and your loss.
Guys, not everyone will like the game at first. I didn't play WoW till 3 years after it released. It wasn't my cup o tea back then and its actually losing taste now but for awhile, i did like it. Not everyone will like DCUO at launch. Its not perfect. Its got "scary" new mechanics and gameplay and its not uncommon for people to see something and not like its initial look.
That said, it is an awesome, very fun game and i will be playing the moment it goes live. Its very much worth the $15 to me.
But i am not everyone. so to all the naysayers i say "to each his own"
I never said the game wasn't fun or it couldn't be something that interests me.
While some people may not like the game I assume they would say the game isn't worth the box price.
What a lot of people are saying is the game isn't worth the subscription fee. Not because they don't enjoy it, but because the game has limited content, powers, features, game area, etc. The beta was only 2 months and how many people talk about doing most of the games available content, on multiple characters and doing so in measurements of hours. Not months or weeks, but a few days or in some cases hours.
That is not the same as saying they do not like the game. Big difference.
Some believe the game is worth $15 a month on top of $50-100 for the game, let them enjoy the game.
For me, this game feels like a single player action RPG, it is fun, but the gameplay lacks depth for me and the world does as well. It is not worth the $15 a month in my case, I would be happy to buy the collector's edition for even $100 if the game had no monthly fees. That $15 a month probably would go to waste as I don't think the game will interest me in 3 months from now as the gameplay in this game gets old for me fast.
Game is $50-$60 + the $15 monthly fee PLUS a cash shop.
But thing is you don't have to buy anything for the cash shop. Just like EQ, EQ2, LotRo, etc you can just play them and never buy a single item from their shops.
Game is $50-$60 + the $15 monthly fee PLUS a cash shop.
But thing is you don't have to buy anything for the cash shop. Just like EQ, EQ2, LotRo, etc you can just play them and never buy a single item from their shops.
The problem for me is that SOE have probably the worst example of a cash shop in a subscription based game with EQ2, I think it is probably amongst one of the most expensive cash shops I've seen in a game that also expects you to pay a subscription, plus with the recent introduction of the Vampire race, I personally think they have gone far past the line of 'fluff', 'cosmetic', 'Non-gameplay impacting' etc. It's just my opinion, but for me they have far to many items in the cash shop that should be included as part of the subscription cost imho.
So, I fully expect SOE to rip off their customer with the ingame store in DCUO, I can see it now. want a cool surfboard made of ice for a travel power well that'll be £20 in smed bucks thanks, oh you want this new cool celestial powerset well that'll be £25 thanks, whats that you say, you'd like a cool superhero hideout housing item, that'll be £30 please. All this ontop of a monthly subscription.
I'm basically using this game as the last chance for SOE to prove thenselves as a company that I'm prepared to be a customer of, if they are true to their word and add regular content for the $15 a month and only have genuine fluff items in the store, then fine, but I fully expect SOE to continually push the line of acceptable content put in the store while reducing the amount of content delivered as part of the sub fee just like they have done with EQ2, besides, once they realise they can push the boundaries of the ingame store no more with their remaining subscribers, they can just launch DCUOX
This game plays smoothly and is a very fun beat em up.
You can literally use no spells/skills and smash through most fights spamming the attack key nonstop. It is classic beatemup gameplay mostly.
The game runs smoothly and the voice acting is great IMO. The character customization is above average and also a big plus. Fans of other comic MMOs say it is not as good, but it is stillm ore than good enough.
Now, why is it not worth a monthly fee? Because you can level up in a week to max level and the beatem up gameplay has very little depth and gets old fast!
Would be great if it was buy to play as most players will not want to play this mroe than a coup;le hours a week due to the lack of depth. It would be nice to be able to pick up and play whenever you want, but $15 a month it is not worth that.
I don't really subscribe to recurring monthly fees and the sorts.
I prefer the kind of game where you go to the retailer, buy it and download it and you have access to everything the game offers. I don't care if there is an item shop to buy items with money. If I wanted an item that badly I would buy the item. If it's a really good game with a lot of content and I'm really enjoying it, I'll be willing to pay about $5-10 a month for it. Some games are $5-10 a year. But really? $15 a month for a game that takes a week to max out your level? This game sounds like it's worth about $3 a month, not $15. Anyone who subscribes is a seriously hardcore gamer (with a lot of money to spare).
lol there is so much more that goes in to a game than the game play. What your really saying is all the time (years) and people that made it really should not get paid. Yet if it was YOU that made the game love or hate it .. well DUH you should get paid for all your hard work but these guys ..na.. lol
In BETA if you have ever been its ALWAYS easy to level. But there will always be someone that levels fast.
So to talk about a game that as of right now no one can play.. lol dude BUY THE GAME.. then come back and say why its not worth it. You played a BETA FREE and some paid $50 just to play the beta.. I know I know you didnt .. right its the other guy.. no you..
So the OP thinks the game is not worth it.. Some dont think WOW is worth it.. some dont think AION is worth it.. the list goes on.. so what.
This game plays smoothly and is a very fun beat em up.
You can literally use no spells/skills and smash through most fights spamming the attack key nonstop. It is classic beatemup gameplay mostly.
The game runs smoothly and the voice acting is great IMO. The character customization is above average and also a big plus. Fans of other comic MMOs say it is not as good, but it is stillm ore than good enough.
Now, why is it not worth a monthly fee? Because you can level up in a week to max level and the beatem up gameplay has very little depth and gets old fast!
Would be great if it was buy to play as most players will not want to play this mroe than a coup;le hours a week due to the lack of depth. It would be nice to be able to pick up and play whenever you want, but $15 a month it is not worth that.
I don't really subscribe to recurring monthly fees and the sorts.
I prefer the kind of game where you go to the retailer, buy it and download it and you have access to everything the game offers. I don't care if there is an item shop to buy items with money. If I wanted an item that badly I would buy the item. If it's a really good game with a lot of content and I'm really enjoying it, I'll be willing to pay about $5-10 a month for it. Some games are $5-10 a year. But really? $15 a month for a game that takes a week to max out your level? This game sounds like it's worth about $3 a month, not $15. Anyone who subscribes is a seriously hardcore gamer (with a lot of money to spare).
So it sounds like ou haven't played a single P2P MMO. Your experience seems to be with all the F2P games out. I understand what the game sounds like to you but the intent of this game isn't to grind to say level 100 but to get to max level and then enjoy the content from there.
"You think this "A" stands for France?" Captain America
lol there is so much more that goes in to a game than the game play. What your really saying is all the time (years) and people that made it really should not get paid. Yet if it was YOU that made the game love or hate it .. well DUH you should get paid for all your hard work but these guys ..na.. lol
In BETA if you have ever been its ALWAYS easy to level. But there will always be someone that levels fast.
So to talk about a game that as of right now no one can play.. lol dude BUY THE GAME.. then come back and say why its not worth it. You played a BETA FREE and some paid $50 just to play the beta.. I know I know you didnt .. right its the other guy.. no you..
So the OP thinks the game is not worth it.. Some dont think WOW is worth it.. some dont think AION is worth it.. the list goes on.. so what.
I'm not saying that these people don't deserve to be paid, I'm saying that they shouldn't be charging so much for such a small game.
lol there is so much more that goes in to a game than the game play. What your really saying is all the time (years) and people that made it really should not get paid. Yet if it was YOU that made the game love or hate it .. well DUH you should get paid for all your hard work but these guys ..na.. lol
In BETA if you have ever been its ALWAYS easy to level. But there will always be someone that levels fast.
So to talk about a game that as of right now no one can play.. lol dude BUY THE GAME.. then come back and say why its not worth it. You played a BETA FREE and some paid $50 just to play the beta.. I know I know you didnt .. right its the other guy.. no you..
So the OP thinks the game is not worth it.. Some dont think WOW is worth it.. some dont think AION is worth it.. the list goes on.. so what.
I'm not saying that these people don't deserve to be paid, I'm saying that they shouldn't be charging so much for such a small game.
What makes the game small?
"You think this "A" stands for France?" Captain America
As much as i hate to admit it, that really is the big clincher. People who had fun but don't wanna pay for it are...well on the broke side of the pond.
Just admit it people. You want to play the game for free. Only thing free is god's grace and death. It goes live tomorrow so i won't hafta post anymore. adios cheap peoples, see ya at the welfare line (as i drive by)
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SoulPlane 2: The Blackjacking is a American Movie Classic!
As much as i hate to admit it, that really is the big clincher. People who had fun but don't wanna pay for it are...well on the broke side of the pond.
Just admit it people. You want to play the game for free. Only thing free is god's grace and death. It goes live tomorrow so i won't hafta post anymore. adios cheap peoples, see ya at the welfare line (as i drive by)
Again, it has nothing to do with people being broke. I would bet you anything most of the people saying this game is not worth $15 a month have active subscriptions to other mmos right now. I have 2 myself.
In the next 30-45 days you are going to start seeing the same concerns voiced in beta testing start cropping up again. "Is this all there is to do?". That is why people feel the game isn't worth a subscription fee. Sorry you have trouble comprehending that and feel it must be a fault of the players and not the game.
For starters, it takes less than 6 minutes to travel between the two farthest points in either city. That is using the the basic level of any travel power.
There are single zones in other mmos that take more time to cross at similar travel speeds.
For starters, it takes less than 6 minutes to travel between the two farthest points in either city. That is using the the basic level of any travel power.
There are single zones in other mmos that take more time to cross at similar travel speeds.
Well I suppose you may be right but just remember you are playing in fictional cities and they actually use the blocks and areas from the comics in the game so it might seem small say to an open field with scattered towns but it really isn't that small. That to me doesn't matter how big the map is but to each their own I suppose.
"You think this "A" stands for France?" Captain America
most people will feel the same, its liek they built it as a single player game and tossed in online stuff like quests and such. This should be at MOST 10$ a month if they want to charge, but 15 for what litte depth and such makes it not worth it really. The customization was not that good IMO. we have other hero games on the market with better CC.
Most people, especially PS3 players will play for the free month and maybe at max another 1 or 2, but expect the PS3 servers to be pretty low poped after that, PC might stay longer, but again we have other, better super hero MMOs out, the only thing this one has is the DC name and skin.
I agree with you on this. However I was hoping there would be a PS3/PC server to mix both formats.
As much as i hate to admit it, that really is the big clincher. People who had fun but don't wanna pay for it are...well on the broke side of the pond.
Just admit it people. You want to play the game for free. Only thing free is god's grace and death. It goes live tomorrow so i won't hafta post anymore. adios cheap peoples, see ya at the welfare line (as i drive by)
Again, it has nothing to do with people being broke. I would bet you anything most of the people saying this game is not worth $15 a month have active subscriptions to other mmos right now. I have 2 myself.
In the next 30-45 days you are going to start seeing the same concerns voiced in beta testing start cropping up again. "Is this all there is to do?". That is why people feel the game isn't worth a subscription fee. Sorry you have trouble comprehending that and feel it must be a fault of the players and not the game.
I had a WOW sub for almost 6yrs. Been playing P2P MMOs for over 15 yrs.....money has nothing to do with it. Yes the game play was fun and you will be hard pressed to find a bigger fan of DC (but they are out there). But the game imo isn't worth the time and effort to lvl a character to wait on other powersets and content promises that should have been included at launch. Not to mention the $15 a month and the item mall. I too suspect that we will see SOE make the money grab very early and put powersets, and stat changing items in the item store that you won't be able to get ingame.
Money isn't the issue for me and I have already canceled my pre-order and relieved about it...
No offense, but this is not old, lol. You have barely begun to use your hands at 26 years old.
This is the prime demo for this game and exactly the age they are looking for.
Originally posted by DeathStroke
I'm 34 so I'm not a "young" gamer, as much as that pains me to say.
This isn't exactly a "old" gamer either, although you are ahead of most players.
I think you guys misunderstand... when you get past 40, you will be considered an "old" gamer. You know,. from Pong days.
Things BEFORE gamepads and controllers.
Just dust off some history books and you'll know what I mean. Most of 'my' group are playing PC mmos, we don't mess around with this type of action game... we usually leave that for younger console players. That's the point I was making.
We buy rigs and play actual MMOs with keyboards and such and this is the group that isn't going to stick with this game long. Regardless of the old Saturday morning Justice League ones we grew up with.
This is the crowd I'm in. I'll turn 49 later this year, and I'm old enough to have been schooled on video games through Pong, Asteroids, Frogger, etc.
I love my keyboard/mouse combo. Even in a game totally new to me, I can control my characters completely within moments without having to think about what keys I'm pressing. I've no hatred for gamepads or any other type of controllers, but until they perfect mental game control, you wouldn't get me to try one even if they were free. I'm simply far too comfortable with the mouse/keyboard setup.
To any devs out there: please continue to put WASD controls in every game (but feel free to allow for other controls as well). "Meanwhile, back in the Hall of Justice...." dewoooop
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/applaud.
And $60 for the game + $15/month + cash shop isn't greed?
It can works both ways guys. People are sick of it and I don't blame them. Between cash shops, monthly fees, SoE's TCG lottery and DLC of re-released maps (not this game, just in general) and expansions, there seems to be more than enough "greed" in the market.
The sad thing is that got us by the short hairs in the deal.
With the number of poorly developed games being pushed out, there are a few very successful games/companies that can set the standard for pricing and the way product is purchased.
Until there's numerous successful game on the market at the sametime, there's nothing to pressure some of these companies to take on pricing models that benefit the consumers.
Free to play doesn't benefit the consumer anymore than subscriptions with cash shops and this is just due to spending trends related to each.
How is someone's opinion a lie? I bought Just Cause 2 during the Steam Christmas sale for $7.50. It was worth $7.50 but not the $29.99 it normally costs. Thats my opinion. Others may feel it is worth the extra money. The OP seems to be making the same case here. It may be worth a box sale to him, but not the $15 a month. Understand now?
I know people get all bent out of shape whenever someone criticizes their precious but to say the whole point of this thread is a lie is going too far. This is a discussion forum. People have different opinions on games and this is the place to talk about them. Or do you not get the whole discussion forum thing???
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
Sure some people want everything for free, but that doesn't mean any discussion about a games subscription fee is just a bunch of cheap players who want all their warez for free.
Comparing the game to itself I have to agree that there just isn't enough to justify a subscription fee.
And thats your opinion and your loss.
Guys, not everyone will like the game at first. I didn't play WoW till 3 years after it released. It wasn't my cup o tea back then and its actually losing taste now but for awhile, i did like it. Not everyone will like DCUO at launch. Its not perfect. Its got "scary" new mechanics and gameplay and its not uncommon for people to see something and not like its initial look.
That said, it is an awesome, very fun game and i will be playing the moment it goes live. Its very much worth the $15 to me.
But i am not everyone. so to all the naysayers i say "to each his own"
SoulPlane 2: The Blackjacking is a American Movie Classic!
Played the "Open" Beta, reached Lvl20 in 3 days Playtime with my first char, needed about 12 hours (or 2 days Playtime) with my 2nd char and even less with my third and fourth I made to test other classes, then went ahead and PvPed, did all the Alerts/Arenas etc. with the char I liked the most, even killed all the "Bounty" monsters (even the Lvl29 ones in a Raid), did most of the Feats I could manage to do and while, yes... the game was FUN... heck I usually don't even bother with a 2nd char on most MMOs I looked at all the remaining Feats and everything that seems to be left to do and I just don't see how I could rationalize paying a monthly fee for this game that has about ~24 hours of content for a char and most of that is being shared even if you play a char of a different faction with a little differing dialogue...
Heck I spent 70-90hours on SP games like Dragon Age or King's Bounty and here I was getting bored of an MMO after a few hours with the only way to do some new stuff being to reroll.
Now as others have said, if this was F2P with Cash-Shop or Guild Wars payment model I'd probably be one of the Pre-Orders by now... as is I'll just wait a few months and see what happens, I expect player numbers to drop dramatically after the first two (or so) months and either they make the main game cheaper or they'll (hopefully) change their payment model.
I never said the game wasn't fun or it couldn't be something that interests me.
While some people may not like the game I assume they would say the game isn't worth the box price.
What a lot of people are saying is the game isn't worth the subscription fee. Not because they don't enjoy it, but because the game has limited content, powers, features, game area, etc. The beta was only 2 months and how many people talk about doing most of the games available content, on multiple characters and doing so in measurements of hours. Not months or weeks, but a few days or in some cases hours.
That is not the same as saying they do not like the game. Big difference.
I was the OP in this thread.
I think there is no point to argue.
Some believe the game is worth $15 a month on top of $50-100 for the game, let them enjoy the game.
For me, this game feels like a single player action RPG, it is fun, but the gameplay lacks depth for me and the world does as well. It is not worth the $15 a month in my case, I would be happy to buy the collector's edition for even $100 if the game had no monthly fees. That $15 a month probably would go to waste as I don't think the game will interest me in 3 months from now as the gameplay in this game gets old for me fast.
GAME TIL YOU DIE!!!!
But thing is you don't have to buy anything for the cash shop. Just like EQ, EQ2, LotRo, etc you can just play them and never buy a single item from their shops.
The problem for me is that SOE have probably the worst example of a cash shop in a subscription based game with EQ2, I think it is probably amongst one of the most expensive cash shops I've seen in a game that also expects you to pay a subscription, plus with the recent introduction of the Vampire race, I personally think they have gone far past the line of 'fluff', 'cosmetic', 'Non-gameplay impacting' etc. It's just my opinion, but for me they have far to many items in the cash shop that should be included as part of the subscription cost imho.
So, I fully expect SOE to rip off their customer with the ingame store in DCUO, I can see it now. want a cool surfboard made of ice for a travel power well that'll be £20 in smed bucks thanks, oh you want this new cool celestial powerset well that'll be £25 thanks, whats that you say, you'd like a cool superhero hideout housing item, that'll be £30 please. All this ontop of a monthly subscription.
I'm basically using this game as the last chance for SOE to prove thenselves as a company that I'm prepared to be a customer of, if they are true to their word and add regular content for the $15 a month and only have genuine fluff items in the store, then fine, but I fully expect SOE to continually push the line of acceptable content put in the store while reducing the amount of content delivered as part of the sub fee just like they have done with EQ2, besides, once they realise they can push the boundaries of the ingame store no more with their remaining subscribers, they can just launch DCUOX
I don't really subscribe to recurring monthly fees and the sorts.
I prefer the kind of game where you go to the retailer, buy it and download it and you have access to everything the game offers. I don't care if there is an item shop to buy items with money. If I wanted an item that badly I would buy the item. If it's a really good game with a lot of content and I'm really enjoying it, I'll be willing to pay about $5-10 a month for it. Some games are $5-10 a year. But really? $15 a month for a game that takes a week to max out your level? This game sounds like it's worth about $3 a month, not $15. Anyone who subscribes is a seriously hardcore gamer (with a lot of money to spare).
lol there is so much more that goes in to a game than the game play. What your really saying is all the time (years) and people that made it really should not get paid. Yet if it was YOU that made the game love or hate it .. well DUH you should get paid for all your hard work but these guys ..na.. lol
In BETA if you have ever been its ALWAYS easy to level. But there will always be someone that levels fast.
So to talk about a game that as of right now no one can play.. lol dude BUY THE GAME.. then come back and say why its not worth it. You played a BETA FREE and some paid $50 just to play the beta.. I know I know you didnt .. right its the other guy.. no you..
So the OP thinks the game is not worth it.. Some dont think WOW is worth it.. some dont think AION is worth it.. the list goes on.. so what.
So it sounds like ou haven't played a single P2P MMO. Your experience seems to be with all the F2P games out. I understand what the game sounds like to you but the intent of this game isn't to grind to say level 100 but to get to max level and then enjoy the content from there.
"You think this "A" stands for France?" Captain America
I'm not saying that these people don't deserve to be paid, I'm saying that they shouldn't be charging so much for such a small game.
What makes the game small?
"You think this "A" stands for France?" Captain America
Small game? Beta didn't have the whole game.
As much as i hate to admit it, that really is the big clincher. People who had fun but don't wanna pay for it are...well on the broke side of the pond.
Just admit it people. You want to play the game for free. Only thing free is god's grace and death. It goes live tomorrow so i won't hafta post anymore. adios cheap peoples, see ya at the welfare line (as i drive by)
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Again, it has nothing to do with people being broke. I would bet you anything most of the people saying this game is not worth $15 a month have active subscriptions to other mmos right now. I have 2 myself.
In the next 30-45 days you are going to start seeing the same concerns voiced in beta testing start cropping up again. "Is this all there is to do?". That is why people feel the game isn't worth a subscription fee. Sorry you have trouble comprehending that and feel it must be a fault of the players and not the game.
For starters, it takes less than 6 minutes to travel between the two farthest points in either city. That is using the the basic level of any travel power.
There are single zones in other mmos that take more time to cross at similar travel speeds.
Well I suppose you may be right but just remember you are playing in fictional cities and they actually use the blocks and areas from the comics in the game so it might seem small say to an open field with scattered towns but it really isn't that small. That to me doesn't matter how big the map is but to each their own I suppose.
"You think this "A" stands for France?" Captain America
I agree with you on this. However I was hoping there would be a PS3/PC server to mix both formats.
Momo sucks, I have proof.
I had a WOW sub for almost 6yrs. Been playing P2P MMOs for over 15 yrs.....money has nothing to do with it. Yes the game play was fun and you will be hard pressed to find a bigger fan of DC (but they are out there). But the game imo isn't worth the time and effort to lvl a character to wait on other powersets and content promises that should have been included at launch. Not to mention the $15 a month and the item mall. I too suspect that we will see SOE make the money grab very early and put powersets, and stat changing items in the item store that you won't be able to get ingame.
Money isn't the issue for me and I have already canceled my pre-order and relieved about it...
to each his own.
This is the crowd I'm in. I'll turn 49 later this year, and I'm old enough to have been schooled on video games through Pong, Asteroids, Frogger, etc.
I love my keyboard/mouse combo. Even in a game totally new to me, I can control my characters completely within moments without having to think about what keys I'm pressing. I've no hatred for gamepads or any other type of controllers, but until they perfect mental game control, you wouldn't get me to try one even if they were free. I'm simply far too comfortable with the mouse/keyboard setup.
To any devs out there: please continue to put WASD controls in every game (but feel free to allow for other controls as well). "Meanwhile, back in the Hall of Justice...." dewoooop