Am pretty confident TOR will be a great sucess , why you ask simply because of the IP it's Star wars !.....
I remember posts earily similiar to this just before SW:G released.
Yes, it had pretty massive initial sales (for its time), but even Star Wars can't save a mediocre game.
I'm not casting any reviews on TOR mind you....
Just don't consider it a "great success" because its Star Wars.
Agreed.
Hell, look what happened with Star Trek not too long ago. I am in no way saying that TOR's development is on par with what we saw with STO, but let's be realistic here, it takes a lot more than a popular IP to make a successful mmo.
Yet the play session reviews for TOR have, how shall I put it, much more glowing than those that existed for WAR or STO or Aion. All of which had a lot of complaints from the earliest reviews. Every single play session review for TOR has said they had fun, despite any minor complaints they put forth. Considering that most games are not really that much fun in the first 10 to 20 levels, that speaks volumes to the quality of this game.
I also like the quote about free to play. The "Market" sure is moving that way right? Since it's TOTALLY DOMINATED by monthly subs.
Go to MMORPG's Game List, and sort games by ''Fee''. Observe the results.
More people play F2P games than p2p games. The market has already decided.
Can you please prove that these F2P games are as or more profitable than popular P2P games? There's a reason why American / European gamers are courted much more often by P2P games than F2P which is still primarily an Eastern business model, made by Eastern game companies.
Honestly I don't care what the investors think, they must have thought the game be a success when they invested into it. Apparently it is one guy saying this shit, and he is an idiot to begin with. Everybody knows that if you put your money into something you don't go around making doomsday profecies about it.
I dont blame these investors being hesitant when it comes to EA and MMO's..
though I think the bright spots for this particular MMO is that its Bioware and its Star Wars.
The original article, if anyone bothered to read it, is all about the fact that EA has not had great success, and that MMO's in general have had mixed success. It has absolutely nothing to do with the merits of SWTOR.
Yeah.. I did bother to read it..
I was eluding to that even though EA doesnt have the greatest track record with MMO's
the bright spots are that Bioware has a good track record and there are alot of Star Wars fanatics out there who are willing to buy due to the IP.
I see those 2 points being bait for investors who are on the fence on whether to take the chance on this game or not.
"EA's investors may not be ready to trust so easily," says one particular analyst in some kind of unreferred source.
Is this news?
Exactly my thought as i saw the Title i was interested and expected some real information from actual investors instead all we got was the "opinion" of 1 person....
If something like that really qualifies as News than every single post on any Forums in the Inet stating a personal opinion is News worthy of an article as well.....
Don't be too quick to dismiss that comment. Investors, especially investment fund managers, make vast financial decisions on precisely this kind of rumour and backstage gossip.
Personally, given EA's ruthless focus on the maximisation of revenes and the level of interest in this game, I'd put money (if I had any) into EA and ride the boost that is going to come with the box sales at launch. Then I'd sell 80% of my stake and let the rest ride for a while.
What kind of an investor would put all kinds of money behind a product then go around saying it is going to fail????
Sounds like somebody that was betting against the game to begin with. You are right, romour and backstage gossip. Somebody who doesn't have anything to lose , but everything to gain from this game being a fail would make these kind of comments, not somebody who invested their hard money into it.
It's pretty amazing how pathetically informed investors are on what they are investing in.
EA/Mythic has about as much to do with SWTORs success as Activision has to do with WoW. In otherwords, absolutely zilch.
It's all about the developer. WoW is great because of Blizzard, and SWTORs success/failure will fall squarely on the shoulders of Bioware. Considering their track record, thats a pretty solid investment.
It's pretty amazing how pathetically informed investors are on what they are investing in.
EA/Mythic has about as much to do with SWTORs success as Activision has to do with WoW. In otherwords, absolutely zilch.
It's all about the developer. WoW is great because of Blizzard, and SWTORs success/failure will fall squarely on the shoulders of Bioware. Considering their track record, thats a pretty solid investment.
True but the publisher can take great strides to ruin (or even sometimes save) a game by forcing things on the developer. Believe Vanguard went through a lot of this.
It's pretty amazing how pathetically informed investors are on what they are investing in.
EA/Mythic has about as much to do with SWTORs success as Activision has to do with WoW. In otherwords, absolutely zilch.
It's all about the developer. WoW is great because of Blizzard, and SWTORs success/failure will fall squarely on the shoulders of Bioware. Considering their track record, thats a pretty solid investment.
True but the publisher can take great strides to ruin (or even sometimes save) a game by forcing things on the developer. Believe Vanguard went through a lot of this.
EA is NOT just the publisher, they OWN Bioware. That makes a HUGE difference.
It's pretty amazing how pathetically informed investors are on what they are investing in.
EA/Mythic has about as much to do with SWTORs success as Activision has to do with WoW. In otherwords, absolutely zilch.
It's all about the developer. WoW is great because of Blizzard, and SWTORs success/failure will fall squarely on the shoulders of Bioware. Considering their track record, thats a pretty solid investment.
True but the publisher can take great strides to ruin (or even sometimes save) a game by forcing things on the developer. Believe Vanguard went through a lot of this.
EA is NOT just the publisher, they OWN Bioware. That makes a HUGE difference.
Yeah they certainly can rush it, i don't think they are at the moment otherwise we would have a release date more solid then spring 2011. That data seems more like how BW predicts then EA forcing. But your right they can force a release, companies have done it before.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
only reason the market is quickly transistioning to free to play is because people are unwilling to pay for shoddy goods and half finished products lacking polish.
lets face it, their hasnt been a decent game released for quiet some years. and all games that have been released are just simple copies of wow!! and wow is only fun to a fraction of the gaming community. wow is one game and only houses a small fraction of the gaming community, the rest of us are at large wandering when we will be treated to a decent game.
swtor was a fantastic idea thats slowly looseing its appeal based of some of the lets say mechanics and content.
for example. the space combat!. space combat is probably the most important part of starwars as its name inplies.. STARWARS and the fact it simply wouldnt be cannon if the game didnt have a good space content and main play feature. swtor does not have a good space feature and it isnt good enough, not by any ones standards.
secondly the ground section to the game is all starting to look a wee bit wow like. i know i know im useing wow as a basis for comparison, i know wow isnt really a good game and that its only well known and liked because its gone through so many players it can hold its hands up and say we have 3 million players. i know for a fact those 3 million players dont like wow, but play wow because their isnt any other games out their worthy of their money or time so they are sticking with it to pass time. i honestly thought we might have gotten past this whole static auto target combat business too that swtor seems to be showing us. and whats makes it worse is when you see the the people on the swtor forums that are wowed by it.
this tells m,e a number of things -
they either have never played a decent mmo before, or they have only ever played wow before and are used to this kind of poor qaulity production and release. or they havnt experienced the sheer qaulity that bioware is capable of from its single player titles.
either way. the community on a whole for swtor is missing the point about mmorpg's.
while i love the idea and effort bioware are putting in, i cant help but hate how its turning out, it just looks like a marketing ploi. the more they release the less i want to play it. when i first heard about it i was finally a happy little bunny, another starwars mmo was coming and this time it was by bioware. some would assume nothing could go wrong.
that is untill they added companions. and that rediculous rail space shooter back from the 70's this only tells me the main ground function is linear and guided like that of kotor. that works fine on single player games. but mmo's should be vast and explorable and free realm and sanbox. mmo's are about empowering the players to the point where they are able to do as they please.
bu no it would seem we are getting another quest quest grind with shoddy crafting. like i said. in many other posts. wow in space. im no longer looking forward to its release.
after all these years no one and i mean no one is able to produce a propper mmorpg. all they keep granting us is a money sink mmmo design to milk us dry and pacify us until we say no more and move on to try another money sink mmo.
waulity of mmo's over the lkast 7 years have dramatically gone down the pan. they are all pretty rubbish. with wow being my favorite worst game.
This smells like your classic 'short this' play by one of the larger firms.
Happens all the time in the financial sector so meh.
It is a nice publicity for EA/SWTOR though.
thats corret, sounds like some of the firms involved are bored with all the development and just want paying already so its time to release the game no matter how unfinished it is, they know thousands of people are going to rush out any buy the game and a years worth of subs.
they dont know that they will be probably makeing the game f2p in a year ort so because people will be unhappy with it and start to leave the game.
i dont really know, im just a bit anoyed with a few things about the mmo. if you can call it an mmo what i mean is companions take away the mmo part from the mmo. and that on the rail space combat is so so so lazy and lacking, that just says rushed cant be bothered and dont care.
MS certificate in IIS, SQL server and ASP. In other words databases are my thing and I bet a lot more expertise than you would imagine.
Well since you are claiming you are an expert in databases, I hope you have earning of millions of dollars to back that up. After all you are saying you can predict what games need in the future to be successful, so then you must have made millions in the field you are an expert in.
Also I love your logic and I am going to start using it, since I have a CCENT, CCNA, and MCPD certs. I am going to start saying how servers are going to develop and this is exactly what everyone is going to be using for servers in 10 years. After all having those certs makes me an expert in servers so I know exactly what servers are going to be like in 10 years. And there can be no other possibilities because my knowledge with these servers gives me the knowledge of ever business trend that is going to happen to servers. I just hope other people with these certs do not catch on to this, I can be a billionaire.
Originally posted by Kothoses
This also just in, ToR doesnt need investors, its been fully funded by BIoware and Lucas arts and EA.
Dude thanks for the laugh, you do realize that EA is a publicly traded company? The main reason why companies go public is to get investors, so they can get capital. So your statement is beyond ludicrous, since if EA did not want or need investors they would of never went public in the first place.
ToR does not need "investors" its beyond that stage, its allready paid for.
Thanks for the laugh though.
Also the main reason companies go public is to raise intial capital and profile, once those shares are sold for the first time the capital no longer affects the company directly and only the inflating or deflating of prices can
Also there seems to be a lot of people quoting the "short selling" idea as though it were relevant here, Short selling is getting some one to lend you x amount of shares in a company for a pre-determined length of time. You get the shares now, sell them now while the price is high, and then when the time comes to pay them back, you buy them at a hopefully cheaper price and pay them back, and you pocket the difference in price.. This is often done with pension funds and other such funds and investment portfolios where that investment and shareholding are kept for the long term. Short selling is gambling on a short term dip in an investors price and market value.
The release of the most anticipated game of the last 15 yeasr by "most people" along with possibly the most reconisable setting and by one of the game developers thats considered to be the only one as bankable as Blizzard (not activision but blizzard). Is not the time when a companies shares will go short, if anything the release of ToR Will be a highpoint in EA/'s Trading prices for a long time to come.
I also like the quote about free to play. The "Market" sure is moving that way right? Since it's TOTALLY DOMINATED by monthly subs.
Go to MMORPG's Game List, and sort games by ''Fee''. Observe the results.
Go on? I see a bunch of games, some F2P, some Monthly, and the ones that are f2p have almost no population compared to P2P. Two exceptions are DDO/LotR. Yet they still offer Monthly for both.
So go ahead with your point, I'd like to know what you meant.
I have faith that Bioware and Lucas will ensure this game is stable and enjoyable. I probably won't be playing it past the free 30 days I get from the box, but sci fi deosn't interest me much. Of course Lucas did allow galaxies ... so ... . . .... I could be wrong ... but im not sure how much control they had, especially at the time when they changed the core game ... or w/e that whole debacle was...
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
Wise move on their part as lets face it, this game is same old tank, healer and dps with a Stars Wars skin on it. What you're actually doing in game you've been doing in MMO's the last 8 years, it's not offering a new MMO experience at all, but more of the same with better graphics.
I would never bet against BioWare in the gaming industry. EA or LucasArts alone maybe but BioWare produces great titles and I don't see that changing even if collaborating with those two mixed performers. This year is going to be huge for them with three stellar releases; Dragon Age II, Mass Effect 3, and of course SW:TOR all with strategic release dates and great anticipation. If there is a company in the industry to invest in it's BioWare. This guy is either shady and trying to get other investors to move so he can get a bigger share or is just a tard.
Wow. I understand EA does not have a great track record for MMOs and investors should be hesitant looking at their track record, but when you put Bioware and Star Wars into the mix, this thing screams money. The best part is when he thinks the market is heading toward F2p. Do you know why those games are F2P? Because no one wanted to pay a monthly sub to them and they had to find another revenue stream. They had to go F2P.
just for clarification, this guy did invest in what?
Guildwars 2?
maybe DCUO?
and to be sure that he knows what he is saying, what was he announcing few years back when Blizzard was releasing WoW?
when "some guy" and hes opinion over market is a "BIG NEWS" it would be really nice to know those things, it will look funny if someone will check the background, and again it willbe same as some time ago when few portals was excited over the "future of MMO is FTP direction, not PTP" announcement of "REALLY IMPORTENT GUY FROM BIG COMPANY", just few hours later we all had a lot of fun, becouse this guy was one of the owners of some FTP portal...
this would be noteworthy news if someone in EA would say it, in this version, its gossip...
Be Who You Are and Say What You Feel Because Those Who Mind Don't Matter and Those Who Matter Don't Mind. Dr.Seuss
Go on? I see a bunch of games, some F2P, some Monthly, and the ones that are f2p have almost no population compared to P2P. Two exceptions are DDO/LotR.
Two exceptions in P2P and the population in F2P > P2P
Go on? I see a bunch of games, some F2P, some Monthly, and the ones that are f2p have almost no population compared to P2P. Two exceptions are DDO/LotR.
Two exceptions in P2P and the population in F2P > P2P
Am pretty confident TOR will be a great sucess , why you ask simply because of the IP it's Star wars !.....
I remember posts earily similiar to this just before SW:G released.
Yes, it had pretty massive initial sales (for its time), but even Star Wars can't save a mediocre game.
I'm not casting any reviews on TOR mind you....
Just don't consider it a "great success" because its Star Wars.
Agreed.
Hell, look what happened with Star Trek not too long ago. I am in no way saying that TOR's development is on par with what we saw with STO, but let's be realistic here, it takes a lot more than a popular IP to make a successful mmo.
Yet the play session reviews for TOR have, how shall I put it, much more glowing than those that existed for WAR or STO or Aion. All of which had a lot of complaints from the earliest reviews. Every single play session review for TOR has said they had fun, despite any minor complaints they put forth. Considering that most games are not really that much fun in the first 10 to 20 levels, that speaks volumes to the quality of this game.
And the beta boards of SW:G were just as glowing... I thought the game was really cutting edge.
Then came the day that Koster announced to us the game was going live very shortly, and the beta boards exploded with pleas telling him (them) no, it wasn't ready.
So back to the original point of the quote, a great IP doesn't make a great MMO.
Also, i have found a lot of current MMOs pretty fun at the beginning levels, its the end games that I have found to be the breaking points for me..
If EA has not learnt by now there is no hope for them. Being ToR is rumored costing 150-300 mill I would hope EA would not want to risk the mistakes they made with Warhammer. They did turn away 500'000 odd subs because of a bad release. Servers not up to snuff,Q times, no end game, worst unbalanced classes I have seen in any release. Question remains: Will EA rush ToR? If they need more time to make a polished game will EA give it to them? Lots of awesome looking MMO's coming out this year so its gona take a lot to keep gamers loyal.
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More people play F2P games than p2p games. The market has already decided.
Yet the play session reviews for TOR have, how shall I put it, much more glowing than those that existed for WAR or STO or Aion. All of which had a lot of complaints from the earliest reviews. Every single play session review for TOR has said they had fun, despite any minor complaints they put forth. Considering that most games are not really that much fun in the first 10 to 20 levels, that speaks volumes to the quality of this game.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
Can you please prove that these F2P games are as or more profitable than popular P2P games? There's a reason why American / European gamers are courted much more often by P2P games than F2P which is still primarily an Eastern business model, made by Eastern game companies.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
Honestly I don't care what the investors think, they must have thought the game be a success when they invested into it. Apparently it is one guy saying this shit, and he is an idiot to begin with. Everybody knows that if you put your money into something you don't go around making doomsday profecies about it.
This guy is an amateur, probably a fraud.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
Yeah.. I did bother to read it..
I was eluding to that even though EA doesnt have the greatest track record with MMO's
the bright spots are that Bioware has a good track record and there are alot of Star Wars fanatics out there who are willing to buy due to the IP.
I see those 2 points being bait for investors who are on the fence on whether to take the chance on this game or not.
What kind of an investor would put all kinds of money behind a product then go around saying it is going to fail????
Sounds like somebody that was betting against the game to begin with. You are right, romour and backstage gossip. Somebody who doesn't have anything to lose , but everything to gain from this game being a fail would make these kind of comments, not somebody who invested their hard money into it.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
It's pretty amazing how pathetically informed investors are on what they are investing in.
EA/Mythic has about as much to do with SWTORs success as Activision has to do with WoW. In otherwords, absolutely zilch.
It's all about the developer. WoW is great because of Blizzard, and SWTORs success/failure will fall squarely on the shoulders of Bioware. Considering their track record, thats a pretty solid investment.
True but the publisher can take great strides to ruin (or even sometimes save) a game by forcing things on the developer. Believe Vanguard went through a lot of this.
EA is NOT just the publisher, they OWN Bioware. That makes a HUGE difference.
Yeah they certainly can rush it, i don't think they are at the moment otherwise we would have a release date more solid then spring 2011. That data seems more like how BW predicts then EA forcing. But your right they can force a release, companies have done it before.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
This smells like your classic 'short this' play by one of the larger firms.
Happens all the time in the financial sector so meh.
It is a nice publicity for EA/SWTOR though.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
only reason the market is quickly transistioning to free to play is because people are unwilling to pay for shoddy goods and half finished products lacking polish.
lets face it, their hasnt been a decent game released for quiet some years. and all games that have been released are just simple copies of wow!! and wow is only fun to a fraction of the gaming community. wow is one game and only houses a small fraction of the gaming community, the rest of us are at large wandering when we will be treated to a decent game.
swtor was a fantastic idea thats slowly looseing its appeal based of some of the lets say mechanics and content.
for example. the space combat!. space combat is probably the most important part of starwars as its name inplies.. STARWARS and the fact it simply wouldnt be cannon if the game didnt have a good space content and main play feature. swtor does not have a good space feature and it isnt good enough, not by any ones standards.
secondly the ground section to the game is all starting to look a wee bit wow like. i know i know im useing wow as a basis for comparison, i know wow isnt really a good game and that its only well known and liked because its gone through so many players it can hold its hands up and say we have 3 million players. i know for a fact those 3 million players dont like wow, but play wow because their isnt any other games out their worthy of their money or time so they are sticking with it to pass time. i honestly thought we might have gotten past this whole static auto target combat business too that swtor seems to be showing us. and whats makes it worse is when you see the the people on the swtor forums that are wowed by it.
this tells m,e a number of things -
they either have never played a decent mmo before, or they have only ever played wow before and are used to this kind of poor qaulity production and release. or they havnt experienced the sheer qaulity that bioware is capable of from its single player titles.
either way. the community on a whole for swtor is missing the point about mmorpg's.
while i love the idea and effort bioware are putting in, i cant help but hate how its turning out, it just looks like a marketing ploi. the more they release the less i want to play it. when i first heard about it i was finally a happy little bunny, another starwars mmo was coming and this time it was by bioware. some would assume nothing could go wrong.
that is untill they added companions. and that rediculous rail space shooter back from the 70's this only tells me the main ground function is linear and guided like that of kotor. that works fine on single player games. but mmo's should be vast and explorable and free realm and sanbox. mmo's are about empowering the players to the point where they are able to do as they please.
bu no it would seem we are getting another quest quest grind with shoddy crafting. like i said. in many other posts. wow in space. im no longer looking forward to its release.
after all these years no one and i mean no one is able to produce a propper mmorpg. all they keep granting us is a money sink mmmo design to milk us dry and pacify us until we say no more and move on to try another money sink mmo.
waulity of mmo's over the lkast 7 years have dramatically gone down the pan. they are all pretty rubbish. with wow being my favorite worst game.
thats corret, sounds like some of the firms involved are bored with all the development and just want paying already so its time to release the game no matter how unfinished it is, they know thousands of people are going to rush out any buy the game and a years worth of subs.
they dont know that they will be probably makeing the game f2p in a year ort so because people will be unhappy with it and start to leave the game.
i dont really know, im just a bit anoyed with a few things about the mmo. if you can call it an mmo what i mean is companions take away the mmo part from the mmo. and that on the rail space combat is so so so lazy and lacking, that just says rushed cant be bothered and dont care.
ToR does not need "investors" its beyond that stage, its allready paid for.
Thanks for the laugh though.
Also the main reason companies go public is to raise intial capital and profile, once those shares are sold for the first time the capital no longer affects the company directly and only the inflating or deflating of prices can
Also there seems to be a lot of people quoting the "short selling" idea as though it were relevant here, Short selling is getting some one to lend you x amount of shares in a company for a pre-determined length of time. You get the shares now, sell them now while the price is high, and then when the time comes to pay them back, you buy them at a hopefully cheaper price and pay them back, and you pocket the difference in price.. This is often done with pension funds and other such funds and investment portfolios where that investment and shareholding are kept for the long term. Short selling is gambling on a short term dip in an investors price and market value.
The release of the most anticipated game of the last 15 yeasr by "most people" along with possibly the most reconisable setting and by one of the game developers thats considered to be the only one as bankable as Blizzard (not activision but blizzard). Is not the time when a companies shares will go short, if anything the release of ToR Will be a highpoint in EA/'s Trading prices for a long time to come.
So this guy is an idiot.
But again thanks for the laugh mate.
Go on? I see a bunch of games, some F2P, some Monthly, and the ones that are f2p have almost no population compared to P2P. Two exceptions are DDO/LotR. Yet they still offer Monthly for both.
So go ahead with your point, I'd like to know what you meant.
I have faith that Bioware and Lucas will ensure this game is stable and enjoyable. I probably won't be playing it past the free 30 days I get from the box, but sci fi deosn't interest me much. Of course Lucas did allow galaxies ... so ... . . .... I could be wrong ... but im not sure how much control they had, especially at the time when they changed the core game ... or w/e that whole debacle was...
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
Wise move on their part as lets face it, this game is same old tank, healer and dps with a Stars Wars skin on it. What you're actually doing in game you've been doing in MMO's the last 8 years, it's not offering a new MMO experience at all, but more of the same with better graphics.
I would never bet against BioWare in the gaming industry. EA or LucasArts alone maybe but BioWare produces great titles and I don't see that changing even if collaborating with those two mixed performers. This year is going to be huge for them with three stellar releases; Dragon Age II, Mass Effect 3, and of course SW:TOR all with strategic release dates and great anticipation. If there is a company in the industry to invest in it's BioWare. This guy is either shady and trying to get other investors to move so he can get a bigger share or is just a tard.
Wow. I understand EA does not have a great track record for MMOs and investors should be hesitant looking at their track record, but when you put Bioware and Star Wars into the mix, this thing screams money. The best part is when he thinks the market is heading toward F2p. Do you know why those games are F2P? Because no one wanted to pay a monthly sub to them and they had to find another revenue stream. They had to go F2P.
In Bioware we trust!
just for clarification, this guy did invest in what?
Guildwars 2?
maybe DCUO?
and to be sure that he knows what he is saying, what was he announcing few years back when Blizzard was releasing WoW?
when "some guy" and hes opinion over market is a "BIG NEWS" it would be really nice to know those things, it will look funny if someone will check the background, and again it willbe same as some time ago when few portals was excited over the "future of MMO is FTP direction, not PTP" announcement of "REALLY IMPORTENT GUY FROM BIG COMPANY", just few hours later we all had a lot of fun, becouse this guy was one of the owners of some FTP portal...
this would be noteworthy news if someone in EA would say it, in this version, its gossip...
Be Who You Are and Say What You Feel Because Those Who Mind Don't Matter and Those Who Matter Don't Mind. Dr.Seuss
Two exceptions in P2P and the population in F2P > P2P
LOL. Wow would like to have a word with you...
In Bioware we trust!
WoW is 1 of the exception
And the beta boards of SW:G were just as glowing... I thought the game was really cutting edge.
Then came the day that Koster announced to us the game was going live very shortly, and the beta boards exploded with pleas telling him (them) no, it wasn't ready.
So back to the original point of the quote, a great IP doesn't make a great MMO.
Also, i have found a lot of current MMOs pretty fun at the beginning levels, its the end games that I have found to be the breaking points for me..
/shrug
If EA has not learnt by now there is no hope for them. Being ToR is rumored costing 150-300 mill I would hope EA would not want to risk the mistakes they made with Warhammer. They did turn away 500'000 odd subs because of a bad release. Servers not up to snuff,Q times, no end game, worst unbalanced classes I have seen in any release. Question remains: Will EA rush ToR? If they need more time to make a polished game will EA give it to them? Lots of awesome looking MMO's coming out this year so its gona take a lot to keep gamers loyal.