Guild Wars 2: The Honest Truth.

sayuri2006

I have, like many, have been following this MMORPG for quite some time. The initial interest became like an intense overload of curiosity, followed by the world preview of GW2, and now a cooling of the embers as I see it.

I had to write something on here, even if it was only to satisfy myself, that as one poster has put up recently, is GW 2 here to save us?

Save us from what, you may ask?

Have we been so conditioned through our over indulgent habits of MMORPG gaming that we have burnt outselves out of the mainstream MMORPGs and this is why we are turning to GW2 to give us life to the drowning man or woman?

It's probably not as bad as that, but as I step back now and what I admit as a stage of not even seeing or playing an MMORPG that I realise that are people expecting too much from GW2?

We know so much but so little, in terms of how we will relate to the content of the game and how we feel when we actually get to play it on live. This part is scary, if not in the sense that will we really be playing at the edge of our seats or not?

I have to remind myself, that despite what it is claiming and proving itself to be, it is not virtual reality. It is not a concept in gaming so out of sight that we have not experienced to some degree in this year of 2011 so far.

My words of wisdom I give myself: Avoid this genre until it either comes out or that you find another MMORPG that captivates your attention and holds your attention, without you getting burnt out.  I think I will play as little as I can of any type of MMORPG until the close release date of GW2. After all, I want to be prepared. A long break is needed. A revitalisation is crucial to get back those "rose coloured glasses."

I think it is as much a thought process of that the genre of MMORPG is new to you as that GW2 is new to you. It is of no point if you have been hacking and slogging through MMORPGs right upto GW2's release.

Give yourself time to recapture that feeling again, that "newness" of MMORPG gaming, you owe it to yourself to get yourself prepared. Sounds fair?

spidii

Ya lost me about halfway through....

romanator0

Thats what i'm doing. I've been playing through DA:O and hoping that it will last me until gw2 comes out.

Ironfungus

I don't go into any game with a pre-determined mind. I take the game for what it is. Guild Wars 2 has captured my interest mainly because of the art and music.

Sinaku

Playing FPS waiting for Tera and GW2...maybe I have just lost all hope for mmos...who knows anymore haha maybe I am also thinking to much into a videogame

sayuri2006

Originally posted by spidii

Ya lost me about halfway through....

I was setting the stage. My point, put simply:

-Alot of people think GW2 is going to be the revolution of MMORPG gaming, nobody knows.

But at least, for now,  we can avoid burnout of stagnant and repetitive MMORPG gaming by taking a break until GW2's release and get into GW2 with a fresh perspective.

Like a common quote: "Absence makes the heart grow fonder."

Rockgod99

You better take that break because once this game releases all your going to see is "it's the same old stuff" and "Gw2 a real mmo?" over and over again. Guild wars will be a good game but the things people are excited about aren't that revolutionary. As an example people are acting as having no dedicated healing classes will be the end of the holy trinity system. It won't for groups you will still need someone that tanks, DPS, support and heals. People act as if dynamic events will end the quest grind when the reality of it is, it's the same old thing they just remove the need to go talk too a quest giver first. The biggest kicker and one that I feel will be the biggest talked about negative of the game will be the single player rpg personal storyline which is much more important than the dynamic system when it comes down to the individual. So please, listen to the OP, stop playing mmorpgs because if you don't you will be disappointed.

Werthe

Originally posted by Rockgod99

You better take that break because once this game releases all your going to see is "it's the same old stuff" and "Gw2 a real mmo?" over and over again. Guild wars will be a good game but the things people are excited about aren't that revolutionary. As an example people are acting as having no dedicated healing classes will be the end of the holy trinity system. It won't for groups you will still need someone that tanks, DPS, support and heals. People act as if dynamic events will end the quest grind when the reality of it is, it's the same old thing they just remove the need to go talk too a quest giver first. The biggest kicker and one that I feel will be the biggest talked about negative of the game will be the single player rpg personal storyline which is much more important than the dynamic system when it comes down to the individual. So please, listen to the OP, stop playing mmorpgs because if you don't you will be disappointed.

 

If Rift is getting bashed by the general community forbeing a non original WoW clone, it doesn't mean that every game will.

Rockgod99

Originally posted by Werthe


Originally posted by Rockgod99

You better take that break because once this game releases all your going to see is "it's the same old stuff" and "Gw2 a real mmo?" over and over again. Guild wars will be a good game but the things people are excited about aren't that revolutionary. As an example people are acting as having no dedicated healing classes will be the end of the holy trinity system. It won't for groups you will still need someone that tanks, DPS, support and heals. People act as if dynamic events will end the quest grind when the reality of it is, it's the same old thing they just remove the need to go talk too a quest giver first. The biggest kicker and one that I feel will be the biggest talked about negative of the game will be the single player rpg personal storyline which is much more important than the dynamic system when it comes down to the individual. So please, listen to the OP, stop playing mmorpgs because if you don't you will be disappointed.

 

If Rift is getting bashed by the general community forbeing a non original WoW clone, it doesn't mean that every game will.

 

Rift is getting bashed because it's too similar to other games that came before it. TOR will also get bashed for the same thing. Gw2 is supposed to be this innovative game that will pull this genre out of darkness lol. Sorry but it's not doing enough to do that. It will also be bashed for being the same old thing and the flames will be worse because people expect way more out of GW2.

Seffren

Originally posted by Werthe

Originally posted by Rockgod99

You better take that break because once this game releases all your going to see is "it's the same old stuff" and "Gw2 a real mmo?" over and over again. Guild wars will be a good game but the things people are excited about aren't that revolutionary. As an example people are acting as having no dedicated healing classes will be the end of the holy trinity system. It won't for groups you will still need someone that tanks, DPS, support and heals. People act as if dynamic events will end the quest grind when the reality of it is, it's the same old thing they just remove the need to go talk too a quest giver first. The biggest kicker and one that I feel will be the biggest talked about negative of the game will be the single player rpg personal storyline which is much more important than the dynamic system when it comes down to the individual. So please, listen to the OP, stop playing mmorpgs because if you don't you will be disappointed.

 

If Rift is getting bashed by the general community forbeing a non original WoW clone, it doesn't mean that every game will.

Every game will be bashed no matter what (r)evolutions it brings ... one can't simply cater to all needs and desires existing in the mmo universe.

Maggon

What i'm doing is not to expect but to hope, if I hope I can't really get dissapointed as such, compared to expecting something of a game that it is not.

 

Obviously reading up on what they are saying that will be in the game, and that they have stated that they only talk about things that they have implented, and is working, certainly gets me to put a lot of faith into them.

 

Though I am hoping for these feelings of nostalgia that I have of my earlier gaming experince as a kid (just lan gaming in Half-life 1 was just amazing back when I was 11 years old). I am hoping, not expecting, so when I usally do follow this approach, I never really get dissapointed, and just go with what it is and looking forward to a hopefully great experince with the game.

 

Though in the end, isnt it all about what we are looking forward to in the end, and what we hope these things can lead to ?

 

Personally I am really looking forward to the player interactions of the different skills and spells, as well as the story part of the game, and some PvP with some apparent really awesome looking and probaly also really awesome functioning skills (as GW1 is one of the best PvP experinces i've ever had)

spidii

I'm gonna love GW2 no matter what, I'm a fanboy, my fondest memories in gaming are from Guild Wars, I will love it regardless. But I get your point but tbh, I'm pretty impatient, I need something to "hold me over" until it pretty close to release, so I'll be playing Rift for now. Not sure for how long as there are a lot of console titles coming this year that should "hold me over" quite well. We'll see but for me, GW2 will be everything I want it to be, all I need is the world and the music and I'll be in instant nostalgia land and I know ArenaNet won't let me down

Rockgod99

I'm a pretty lucky guy. I have the ability to see the good in a game and take advantage of it. Unlike the majority of this forum. I'll fully enjoy my time in games like Rift, GW2, TOR & TERA. I won't let myself be overly critical of every little mechanic and have it sap the fun out of my experience. I don't play mmorpgs to be a critic, I play them for enjoyment. I have no expectations other than buying the games on release and having fun with the mechanics that appeal to me.

sayuri2006

Originally posted by Rockgod99

You better take that break because once this game releases all your going to see is "it's the same old stuff" and "Gw2 a real mmo?" over and over again. Guild wars will be a good game but the things people are excited about aren't that revolutionary. As an example people are acting as having no dedicated healing classes will be the end of the holy trinity system. It won't for groups you will still need someone that tanks, DPS, support and heals. People act as if dynamic events will end the quest grind when the reality of it is, it's the same old thing they just remove the need to go talk too a quest giver first. The biggest kicker and one that I feel will be the biggest talked about negative of the game will be the single player rpg personal storyline which is much more important than the dynamic system when it comes down to the individual. So please, listen to the OP, stop playing mmorpgs because if you don't you will be disappointed.

You make some good points. Everyone is at different stages of their gaming and time commitments.Thus, because I now have many responsibilities including running a sales company, I may look at this in a slightly different way.

I will looking forward to playing something that is fun and has a mature community. If GW 2 is fun but may not be as revolutionary as what is commonly out there, that is ok. The real spoiler is if despite all the changes, the game is not fun and I find myself logging early or not being immersed. You know, only a fool doesn't know when they are not having fun.

Kaynok

Originally posted by Rockgod99

It won't for groups you will still need someone that tanks, DPS, support and heals. People act as if dynamic events will end the quest grind when the reality of it is, it's the same old thing they just remove the need to go talk too a quest giver first.

 

Once I read that, I couldn't help but laugh at the stupidity. Good luck to you buddy. Hope you have a great time realizing that you're wrong.

Rockgod99

Originally posted by Kaynok


Originally posted by Rockgod99

It won't for groups you will still need someone that tanks, DPS, support and heals. People act as if dynamic events will end the quest grind when the reality of it is, it's the same old thing they just remove the need to go talk too a quest giver first.

 

Once I read that, I couldn't help but laugh at the stupidity. Good luck to you buddy. Hope you have a great time realizing that you're wrong.

 

I'm not wrong you will need people to switch their skill sets around to fullfill needs in challenging pve situations. If you think your going to tackle hard dungons or really challenging events with everyone DpSing and self healing your on drugs. That would make everything trivial and people will get bored of doing the same shit all the time.

Zeus.CM

I agree with the OP. We should take a break. And once gw2 is released our experience playing that game will be improved.

Talin

I become skeptical anytime someone uses the phrase "honest truth". First, because it is a redundant statement, and second, because it usually means they are exagerating or lying.

Guild Wars 1 brought about a wonderful and cost-effective online experience. ArenaNet has demonstrated their ability to deliver a thoughtful and quality product, so I don't know why people wouldn't be excited for a new game from them. What they expect is a completely different animal. I found keeping myself grounded until I put my hands on a game - whether in beta or release - helps me stay objective and not overhype the game, but to each their own.

sayuri2006

Originally posted by Kaynok

Originally posted by Rockgod99

It won't for groups you will still need someone that tanks, DPS, support and heals. People act as if dynamic events will end the quest grind when the reality of it is, it's the same old thing they just remove the need to go talk too a quest giver first.

 

Once I read that, I couldn't help but laugh at the stupidity. Good luck to you buddy. Hope you have a great time realizing that you're wrong.

 

Once again, a poster that has merely taken the post of a poster without seeing his tone and his attitude towards GW2, which if I may add is a good one at least.

Please read that he is only reflecting on the fact that dynamic events may not be the "be all" but that he still continues to see games for their enjoyment without being too critical.

I do agree that I try to play an MMORPG for the enjoyment, without being too critical and judging that: "hey it's not perfect! It's not MY pie in the sky!!"

sayuri2006

Originally posted by Talin

I become skeptical anytime someone uses the phrase "honest truth". First, because it is a redundant statement, and second, because it usually means they are egagerating or lying.

Guild Wars 1 brought about a wonderful and cost-effective online experience. ArenaNet has demonstrated their ability to deliver a thoughtful and quality product, so I don't know why people wouldn't be excited for a new game from them. What they expect is a completely different animal. I found keeping myself grounded until I put my hands on a game - whether in beta or release - helps me stay objective and not overhype the game, but to each their own.

Well, if you must question my wording of the words: "Honest truth" it is merely to point out that I am not being biased to my best ability, in other words I am neither trying to fully support not hate on GW2 at this stage.

Rockgod99

Originally posted by sayuri2006


Originally posted by Kaynok


Originally posted by Rockgod99

It won't for groups you will still need someone that tanks, DPS, support and heals. People act as if dynamic events will end the quest grind when the reality of it is, it's the same old thing they just remove the need to go talk too a quest giver first.

 

Once I read that, I couldn't help but laugh at the stupidity. Good luck to you buddy. Hope you have a great time realizing that you're wrong.

 

Once again, a poster that has merely taken the post of a poster without seeing his tone and his attitude towards GW2, which if I may add is a good one at least.

Please read that he is only reflecting on the fact that dynamic events may not be the "be all" but that he still continues to see games for their enjoyment without being too critical.

I do agree that I try to play an MMORPG for the enjoyment, without being too critical and judging that: "hey it's not perfect! It's not MY pie in the sky!!"

 

I'm used to it. They dont realize that I've been following GW2 much longer than Rift. Yet I'm a rift fanboy... Rift was a surprise for me, I had no idea the game was going to be fun. I've only been following it for about two months. Yet I've played GW1 for years. I will be playing GW2 on release and I will have a good time because I think A-net is a good developer. But I refuse to fool myself in thinking GW2 is suddenly going of re-write the way mmorpgs work.

Werthe

Originally posted by Rockgod99

Originally posted by sayuri2006

Originally posted by Kaynok

Originally posted by Rockgod99

It won't for groups you will still need someone that tanks, DPS, support and heals. People act as if dynamic events will end the quest grind when the reality of it is, it's the same old thing they just remove the need to go talk too a quest giver first.

 

Once I read that, I couldn't help but laugh at the stupidity. Good luck to you buddy. Hope you have a great time realizing that you're wrong.

 

Once again, a poster that has merely taken the post of a poster without seeing his tone and his attitude towards GW2, which if I may add is a good one at least.

Please read that he is only reflecting on the fact that dynamic events may not be the "be all" but that he still continues to see games for their enjoyment without being too critical.

I do agree that I try to play an MMORPG for the enjoyment, without being too critical and judging that: "hey it's not perfect! It's not MY pie in the sky!!"

 

I'm used to it. They dont realize that I've been following GW2 much longer than Rift. Yet I'm a rift fanboy... Rift was a surprise for me, I had no idea the game was going to be fun. I've only been following it for about two months. Yet I've played GW1 for years. I will be playing GW2 on release and I will have a good time because I think A-net is a good developer. But I refuse to fool myself in thinking GW2 is suddenly going of re-write the way mmorpgs work.

 

If Rift was that much fun you wouldn't be here fighting futile forum battles.

Rockgod99

Originally posted by Werthe


Originally posted by Rockgod99


Originally posted by sayuri2006


Originally posted by Kaynok



Originally posted by Rockgod99

It won't for groups you will still need someone that tanks, DPS, support and heals. People act as if dynamic events will end the quest grind when the reality of it is, it's the same old thing they just remove the need to go talk too a quest giver first.

 

Once I read that, I couldn't help but laugh at the stupidity. Good luck to you buddy. Hope you have a great time realizing that you're wrong.

 

Once again, a poster that has merely taken the post of a poster without seeing his tone and his attitude towards GW2, which if I may add is a good one at least.

Please read that he is only reflecting on the fact that dynamic events may not be the "be all" but that he still continues to see games for their enjoyment without being too critical.

I do agree that I try to play an MMORPG for the enjoyment, without being too critical and judging that: "hey it's not perfect! It's not MY pie in the sky!!"

 

I'm used to it. They dont realize that I've been following GW2 much longer than Rift. Yet I'm a rift fanboy... Rift was a surprise for me, I had no idea the game was going to be fun. I've only been following it for about two months. Yet I've played GW1 for years. I will be playing GW2 on release and I will have a good time because I think A-net is a good developer. But I refuse to fool myself in thinking GW2 is suddenly going of re-write the way mmorpgs work.

 

If Rift was that much fun you wouldn't be here fighting futile forum battles.

 

Umm unlike some school kid I actually have to goto work. I'm posting here on my phone while I commute. Also this isn't forum pvp, I have no agenda, I couldn't careless if you guys play rift... I mean seriously I'm going to play GW2 also does it make much sense to sway gw2 fans if I intend to play it?

Werthe

Originally posted by Rockgod99

Originally posted by Werthe

Originally posted by Rockgod99

Originally posted by sayuri2006

Originally posted by Kaynok

Originally posted by Rockgod99

It won't for groups you will still need someone that tanks, DPS, support and heals. People act as if dynamic events will end the quest grind when the reality of it is, it's the same old thing they just remove the need to go talk too a quest giver first.

 

Once I read that, I couldn't help but laugh at the stupidity. Good luck to you buddy. Hope you have a great time realizing that you're wrong.

 

Once again, a poster that has merely taken the post of a poster without seeing his tone and his attitude towards GW2, which if I may add is a good one at least.

Please read that he is only reflecting on the fact that dynamic events may not be the "be all" but that he still continues to see games for their enjoyment without being too critical.

I do agree that I try to play an MMORPG for the enjoyment, without being too critical and judging that: "hey it's not perfect! It's not MY pie in the sky!!"

 

I'm used to it. They dont realize that I've been following GW2 much longer than Rift. Yet I'm a rift fanboy... Rift was a surprise for me, I had no idea the game was going to be fun. I've only been following it for about two months. Yet I've played GW1 for years. I will be playing GW2 on release and I will have a good time because I think A-net is a good developer. But I refuse to fool myself in thinking GW2 is suddenly going of re-write the way mmorpgs work.

 

If Rift was that much fun you wouldn't be here fighting futile forum battles.

 

Umm unlike some school kid I actually have to goto work. I'm posting here on my phone while I commute.

Oh, another i'm posting over a cellphone while i ............. excuse ? So you like to fight forum battles all the time ay ? What will it be next time ? I'm posting here on my phone while i'm taking a crap ? And why are you even here ? Shouldn't you be discussing Rifts gameplay subjects instead of lurking GW2 discussions ?

 

PS: Oh, we're falling back to the retarded ''school kid'' ad hominem attacks? Just shows how incompetent you are to properly defend your self.

Aethaeryn

Sorry, I get what you are getting at OP - but I just can't agree not for me anyway.

You are artificially increasing the intrinsic value of the game for your self.  You are "tricking" yourself into liking it.  Don't get me wrong.  It works I have gone back to a game after a long long long break and found in very enjoyable.  The problem is that it is short lived.  

With a few new innovations and the method you suggest it might last longer and you might get that "fresh - first MMO feeling".  I guess I see three scenarios.  I will use ice-cream as an example:

Possibility 1

You love chocolate icecream and eat if countless hours a day until you burnt out on it years later.  You take a few months off and come back to it.   It is close to the experience you had the first time and you continue on eating it for months with that initial excitement.  Nice!

Possibility 2

You love chocolate icecream and eat it for countless hours a day - each week the company changes the ingredients a little bit to increase profits or offset costs now that the brand is popular.  First they use some cheaper alternatives (reducing costs or easier to manufacture). . then they take out the chocolate chips. . then they stop using dairy all together.  You figure you are just tired of it and take a few months off and then come back to it.  At first you manage to convince yourself that it is close to as good as what you remembered. . maybe you were just remember wrong after all. . you enjoy it for awhile and then one day when you go to buy a case again (resub) you just put it back.

 

Now there are many in betweens there that people are likley to fit into and surely there is always someone willing to come along and make a "premium" ice-cream - but they don't often do it at a price that is the same.  Since I think MMOs are stuck at the $15 price (or shifting to BtP FtP) I am not sure we will see that premium icecream anytime soon.

 

OR

 

I have grown out of eating icecream.

 

While what you suggest might work for some. . a mind trick is a mind trick and never lasts.  There are a lot of things people find much more entertaining while intoxicated.  Unless them plan on staying intoxicated it could actually have the opposite effect where later on. . . sober. . it seems even more dull than it did to begin with.

 

Why am I on these forums then?  I guess I still want to like ice-cream and hope someone will bring back my original flavour with enough new elements to make it refreshing again.   (see "New Coke")

Loke666

Originally posted by Rockgod99

You better take that break because once this game releases all your going to see is "it's the same old stuff" and "Gw2 a real mmo?" over and over again. Guild wars will be a good game but the things people are excited about aren't that revolutionary. As an example people are acting as having no dedicated healing classes will be the end of the holy trinity system. It won't for groups you will still need someone that tanks, DPS, support and heals. People act as if dynamic events will end the quest grind when the reality of it is, it's the same old thing they just remove the need to go talk too a quest giver first. The biggest kicker and one that I feel will be the biggest talked about negative of the game will be the single player rpg personal storyline which is much more important than the dynamic system when it comes down to the individual. So please, listen to the OP, stop playing mmorpgs because if you don't you will be disappointed.

The lack of dedicated healer is not really what is different between GW2 and Trinity game, it is the lack of tanks that forces you to fight in a very different way. That still wont be the end of the triad in other game system, GW1 already uses these mechanics and it leads actually to more fun combat but the holy triad is a lot easier to make.

I don't know if stopping playing is much help, I guess that depends on you. GW2 is different from the rest of the MMOs but it is still a MMO so a total burnout probably ont like it either.

And since it is neither really a sandbox or a themepark the more radical fanatics of both those extremes will probably not like it either, as the gear-whores wont.

But the genre needs games that try to re-invent the genre. Besides flying mounts and more instances have not much happened since Everquest and we desperatly need new ideas and features for the genre if we want it to last another 15 years. You can't do the same for 30 years, it just isn't possible, just look back 30 years, people were playing Space invaders and pong then.

GW2 is not the only game that tries new ideas but it is impossible to see now what will be added to the future games from it and the rest of the new games. 

As a wise man once said: The future is like the butt of a baboon, colorful and full of shi...