I asked for a game that offered dynamic content that focused on group play within the game world (none instanced) Not one does it except WAR and PQs are static and rely on massive server pop to function, they might as well not exist.
I never asked about Pvp and he never brought up anything that has a flexible class system like Rift...
If i wanted to play a vanilla mmorpg with no dynamic content with strict class systems I would just play lotro.
My issue is that i can't because Rifts keep me busy while im leveling, they take me away from the vanilla quest chains and let me play with other people outside a instance. Not im having trouble enjoying myself because all these other mmos are basically bland single player rpgs until you decide to do a dungeon...
Asherons Call? Has everything you mention including 'world changing' dynamic content. Any game that has random spawns has 'dynamic content' of course you will dismiss them because stuff doesn't spawn and then march down predefined routes from A to B. You should have simply said 'suggest another game that has Rifts'. Oh and Rift has instancing (though it does not have layering/dynamic zones or whatever you care to call that mechanism). It is also pretty debatable that Rift is focused on group play. By definition you can only have one focus and I think most would agree that rifts is (solo) questing certainly from what we have seen so far. Sure you can level off PvP, grinding mobs, or riding in a zerg rift to rift however that is clearly not the focus. But of course the motivation of this thread is transparent, a completely troll thread by a fanboy to hype that which you are supposedly looking for an alternative to. Your protestations otherwise do not make it less so.
Yeah, all these guys keep on telling me how bad Rift is.
"Its Boring, unoriginal and its a worthless clone!"
Well if it is just some uninspired clone why can I not seem to play any of these games its cloned?
Rift is so bad I should beable to log into WoW, WAR, Lotro, AoC, EQ2 & Aion and have a better time right?
Please direct me too a mmo with quest progression that doesnt play like a single player rpg.
Because from my experience only rift breaks up that mind numbing quest stacker shit with rifts and constant group focused gameplay.
Please point me to a themepark mmo that gives me the flexibility that rift offers me!
The ability to switch between four completely different playstyles on the fly to suit any situation...
Im waiting.
You tell me Rift is bad. You say there are so many other mmorpgs just as good.
Yet all i see are boring wannabe single player games that constantly push players into instances, they've taken away open world play! Made entire worlds trivial...
So help me out, because im for a loss...
Seriously i need help because now im left without a mmo and im pissed off just like you guys.
So, after calling everyone who doesn't agree with you trolls and that they shouldn't be posting, you finally become one and make a shameless flame bait post.
/golfclap
I just want an answer. Rift is so terrible then there must be tons of games that are better. The other day someone said "rift is nothing special, there are many games as good as rift on the market" well I want to be directed to one.
1?
Age of Conan. It's as good as RIFT since they offer a lot of the same stuff on paper. The proportions of their models are better, and they both have stiff ugly animations. There you go.
Are you going to listen?
No.
Why?
Fanboi.
AOC is the most boring online game I have ever played, and I started playing online in the early 90s on a green monochrome screen on text mode. You can't compare the megainstanced and tiny world of AOC, with its narrow paths that force you going around for ages killing unneeded mobs to get to your destination through the only available route with the open feeling of the world in Rift.
Plus in Rift I am getting at least a new skill every level, whereas in AOC most of the times you would get a new level and no skill.
On top of that, if you wanna compare the slow animations and long casting times of AOC (go play a Mitra, everything has 2 seconds casting time and you cant move while doing) to casting while running around in Rift...
And then you call him fanboi, while comparing whatever is "on paper" with what you actually get on the game.
You are a troll.
Open feeling of the world? Explain please. I always had to follow the path of Thermopylae to traverse from every zone in Rift.
It's actually explained already.
In AOC, if I wanna move from one place within an area to another place within the same area, most of the times there is only one route which consists of a narrow path surrounded by cliffs and infested with mobs, just so that it takes you plenty of time to get from place to place, thus masking the fact that the areas are actually tiny.
Plus the instancing.
This doesnt happen in Rift.
This is just so false and a lie..I didnt notice these narrow paths part from the beginner solo tutorial at the beach..
And I played in every area part from the new expansion wich (from what I heard contains even bigger areas) ..
The areas is certainly not much smaller than the areas in Rift either...
The narrow pathing I mention is so obvious and blatant that often you hit invisible walls when you think you have finally managed to find a shortcut. If you havent noticed this, then I guess your space awareness is deeply lacking.
Even if we wont agree on this, what about the heavy instancing, the slow animations and the long and static casting which I mentioned in the initial post?
Not to mention AOC was released unfinished, unpolished, buggy and lacking. I see more polish in Rift's betas than in AOC's release.
Narrow Pathing and seamless boarders are two diffrent things, you can only enter zones at a specific point, AOC is built on zones that has loading between them , sure loading always suck, but since AOC looks great it's a trade off that many players like.
Heavy instancing !! Well..again trade off
Slow animations..?? Hmm...I only played melee classes in Conan and they were not slow, it's a action RPG with free targeting(for most classes), I hear that casters work more like a classic style MMO thou, maybe they are slow, but melee classes are not slow, and they come with some of the best animations i have seen in a MMO, and besides add fatalities to that and you even have something unique to the MMO scene ..
And last , yes Rift has more polish than AOC had upon release, but you seem to be stuck at the release in your description of AOC. Like most people when describing this game and every other game that had trouble launching.
If only Rift had a combat system like AOC , then I would be playing it...
Yeah, all these guys keep on telling me how bad Rift is.
"Its Boring, unoriginal and its a worthless clone!"
Well if it is just some uninspired clone why can I not seem to play any of these games its cloned?
Rift is so bad I should beable to log into WoW, WAR, Lotro, AoC, EQ2 & Aion and have a better time right?
Please direct me too a mmo with quest progression that doesnt play like a single player rpg.
Because from my experience only rift breaks up that mind numbing quest stacker shit with rifts and constant group focused gameplay.
Please point me to a themepark mmo that gives me the flexibility that rift offers me!
The ability to switch between four completely different playstyles on the fly to suit any situation...
Im waiting.
You tell me Rift is bad. You say there are so many other mmorpgs just as good.
Yet all i see are boring wannabe single player games that constantly push players into instances, they've taken away open world play! Made entire worlds trivial...
So help me out, because im for a loss...
Seriously i need help because now im left without a mmo and im pissed off just like you guys.
+1. i couldnt even imagine going back to one of the previous mmo's ive played. wows trash, wars trash, daocs trash, eves trash, i mean really people you say its a clone, i say it just did it better.
I'd rather save my cash for a company that ties the risk factor with innovation and excellence in their craft. A few games have done this before, it can happen again. Why suckle on second rate clones? Because a well made clone is the best the industry can do? That's a pretty sorry outlook.
Keeping saving that cash. By the time a company makes a game you will probably enjoy you'll most likely be a millionaire.
I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.
Whoa! This OP is on the warpath. Seems to be for quite a few threads.
I think he needs to chill and not be as bad as the people he doesnt want to become. See I see a lot of posts from people like the OP ,and now now lets not dissect who 'the people like the OP' are or the other party that say its just a clone, that are very unfair to games like WoW, Aion and Lotor. On the other hand people that are unfair to Rift. You guys need to take a step back and look at it in perspective. If you want to be happy with your MMOs you have to enjoy what each MMO brings. Sure some may not please people and obviously the devs need to go back to the drawing board but hey thats life.
You dont see me making these kind of posts when Aion was around majorly. I hopped on knowing what I was getting into and had a blast. Sure I contributed to a lot of threads back then but never took it out on another MMO at the time.
The feeling your emmiting about your attitude to these current gen MMOs is bad as the haters hating on Rift.
Yeah, all these guys keep on telling me how bad Rift is.
"Its Boring, unoriginal and its a worthless clone!"
Well if it is just some uninspired clone why can I not seem to play any of these games its cloned?
Rift is so bad I should beable to log into WoW, WAR, Lotro, AoC, EQ2 & Aion and have a better time right?
Please direct me too a mmo with quest progression that doesnt play like a single player rpg.
Because from my experience only rift breaks up that mind numbing quest stacker shit with rifts and constant group focused gameplay.
Please point me to a themepark mmo that gives me the flexibility that rift offers me!
The ability to switch between four completely different playstyles on the fly to suit any situation...
Im waiting.
You tell me Rift is bad. You say there are so many other mmorpgs just as good.
Yet all i see are boring wannabe single player games that constantly push players into instances, they've taken away open world play! Made entire worlds trivial...
So help me out, because im for a loss...
Seriously i need help because now im left without a mmo and im pissed off just like you guys.
People have an opinion. If they think it is a clone and boring then they can.
In all honestly it is a clone, it has taken ideas from pervious MMO's, polished them and added a few idea's of their own. Does it do this well? Thats up to the player to decide. Is it boring? Again up to the player to decide.
If you enjoy RIFT then why are asking people to point out a better MMO? You do realize it is possible for people to like completely different things?
RIFT is a good game but not everyone is going to like it. You have to expect people to flame, troll and criticize anything about the game.
Every time a new game comes out someone thinks it is the best thing since sliced bread and some people think it sucks compared to thier beloved game. Someplace there is a reality, but these folks won't hear any of it. At least not until the shiney veneer wears off for the first guy, and the second guy says, "it ain't so bad."
@Jimmy562, it's such a clone yet no game before it (the ones it cloned) offer what it offers. I've asked for a game with dynamic content I get directed too Gw2 as if I have a time machine, I ask for a game with a class system as flexible as rift offers and again I get GW2 suggested. Like I said I don't own a time machine. If I really love those two mechanics and they aren't offered in any other game what am I supposed to play? If rift is such a shameless clone you would think someone else offered what it does, no?
The main thing in life is that you need to enjoy it for yourself.. If you are having a blast in Rifts then hell yeah play it and enjoy it dont let what other people think spoil it or get you angry about their opinion...
Play what you like and msot of all have fun...
Thats what i think.. at the Moment i play Darkfall and am having some of the most fun I ahve ever had in an MMO..
If listened to most people i would not have played as by all acconuts its a massive grind and you would never be able to PVP because everyone else is so far ahead.. well they where wrong in about a month im pretty competitive..
Most people don't say rift is bad and it certainly is unoriginal. But if you enjoy it then have fun man.
A lot of people don't like EVE online but i love it....but you don't see me making threads like these.
Think before you thread folks.
Playing: PO, EVE Waiting for: WoD Favourite MMOs: VG, EVE, FE and DDO Any person who expresses rage and loathing for an MMO is preposterous. He or she is like a person who has put on full armor and attacked a hot fudge sundae.
I'd rather save my cash for a company that ties the risk factor with innovation and excellence in their craft. A few games have done this before, it can happen again. Why suckle on second rate clones? Because a well made clone is the best the industry can do? That's a pretty sorry outlook.
Keeping saving that cash. By the time a company makes a game you will probably enjoy you'll most likely be a millionaire.
Well the King's face is already printed on currency, but despite that; good note. Skyrim is coming out anyway, the King will sigh these crap clone titles and enjoy himself elsewhere.
I'd rather save my cash for a company that ties the risk factor with innovation and excellence in their craft. A few games have done this before, it can happen again. Why suckle on second rate clones? Because a well made clone is the best the industry can do? That's a pretty sorry outlook.
Keeping saving that cash. By the time a company makes a game you will probably enjoy you'll most likely be a millionaire.
Well the King's face is already printed on currency, but despite that; good note. Skyrim is coming out anyway, the King will sigh these crap clone titles and enjoy himself elsewhere.
I'd rather save my cash for a company that ties the risk factor with innovation and excellence in their craft. A few games have done this before, it can happen again. Why suckle on second rate clones? Because a well made clone is the best the industry can do? That's a pretty sorry outlook.
Keeping saving that cash. By the time a company makes a game you will probably enjoy you'll most likely be a millionaire.
Well the King's face is already printed on currency, but despite that; good note. Skyrim is coming out anyway, the King will sigh these crap clone titles and enjoy himself elsewhere.
Skyrim!!!!!!!!
Sorry... im a TES fanboy and can't help myself.
I IS ASHAMED!
You and me both. Hoping this one at least has some minor multiplayer support of some sort. I've been trying to find a legal copy of the very first game to play cuz I got on board with Daggerfall. Ya know to stem me until 11-11-11
One funny thing was my friend was playing terra and I was doing the whole clone comparison and i said watch in a few levels i bet they even have dual spec.... a few hours later i got a text...
Multiple specs only last as long as min maxers aren't around inevitably even with all the freedom in this game there will be a few specs that everyone plays and if you don't play them you're a nub.
I don't think at this moment theres a better fantasy mmo out there that is better than RIFT . I know its not that original but I don't care its fun and thats all I ask for in a game . Best game I've seen since the release of WoW . If the endgames any good then this really could be the next big thing . In fact I would suggest to anyone that does'nt like this game that perhaps you should give up on fantasy mmos for the next 5 years at least because its unlikly your going to like anything anytime in the near future (even GuildWars 2 or Tera) .
How is having logical drops easier? Why did it ever make sense that some zhevras have no hooves and some boars were born minus their livers?
And why kill monsters?
Just start at lvl 50 with end game gear.
Way to completely change the argument. Is it so hard to just resist posting when you don't have a valid point?
"How is having logical drops easier"
And now Rift,where the quests are even more easy and fast.
There, removed all of the bloat and nonsense to leave your actual answer. Quests are faster, but not easier- have you played any of the betas or do you just like arguing for its own sake?
In actuality I found leveling and quests in Rift extremely easy.
In fact they kind of hold your hand, leading you from one quest hub to the next - it's very linear in this way.
The combat is in a word = boring - the animations are stiff and clunky.
But getting back on track - right now I am playing DC Universe - and except for the chat and the horribly restrictive UI - the game is a blast, the quests and story line are amazing, the combat is fun fun fun, the graphics are artistic and very well done.
So yes there are better games out there!
DC Universe rocks!
I will not be preordering rift.
It's a clone, been done before and very boring to play.
I like DCU too .But I don't think the animations in RIFT are stiff and clunky and the combat is one of the best things about it . HMMM different strokes I guess .
Ok guys, its really a matter of personal taste. Everyman has the right to have his opinion and stick to it.
It depends on age, backround and many other things to play a mmo.
Undoubtedly many players from WoW will love this game.
Undoubtedly, and we must be mature and honest, it's a 90% wow game, with a new " look ".
It's by far NOT a next generation mmo. It's NOT a pvp game.
It is a very good PvE game compared to other games ( as far as level 30, thats how far i went ).
Plus it has a high level professional team as i can see from the way they deal with problems and with clients.
As for me, i respect all opinions as i want mine to be respected.
And the honest to god truth is that i played Beta5 and Beta6, but yesterday i logged in and immedietly logged out. Just could not play anymore. It was all over the same content that all other similar games offer plus i don't like that style of PvP made for clickers and " jumping rabbits ".
So instead i played my Global Agenda account i bought 3 days ago with the 1/5 of Rift price ( €11,50 with coupon, no subscription ) and i had the time of my life in 20+ missions that popped every 2 min. And the action was devastating.
To end, i would like to point out 2 large imo issues that Rift will face :
1. Price ( For us, European players, it costs €59,99 for the digital collectors edition. I believe it's far too expensive for this game)
2. Polulation ( warhammer players will know what i mean as i am refering to the PQ aspect of Rift )
For those who enjoy Rift i say : stick with it guys, i hope you will have the best fun ever !!!
And for the Trion people, best of luck guys, hope to see something really new after release !!
Comments
Asherons Call? Has everything you mention including 'world changing' dynamic content. Any game that has random spawns has 'dynamic content' of course you will dismiss them because stuff doesn't spawn and then march down predefined routes from A to B. You should have simply said 'suggest another game that has Rifts'. Oh and Rift has instancing (though it does not have layering/dynamic zones or whatever you care to call that mechanism). It is also pretty debatable that Rift is focused on group play. By definition you can only have one focus and I think most would agree that rifts is (solo) questing certainly from what we have seen so far. Sure you can level off PvP, grinding mobs, or riding in a zerg rift to rift however that is clearly not the focus. But of course the motivation of this thread is transparent, a completely troll thread by a fanboy to hype that which you are supposedly looking for an alternative to. Your protestations otherwise do not make it less so.
Narrow Pathing and seamless boarders are two diffrent things, you can only enter zones at a specific point, AOC is built on zones that has loading between them , sure loading always suck, but since AOC looks great it's a trade off that many players like.
Heavy instancing !! Well..again trade off
Slow animations..?? Hmm...I only played melee classes in Conan and they were not slow, it's a action RPG with free targeting(for most classes), I hear that casters work more like a classic style MMO thou, maybe they are slow, but melee classes are not slow, and they come with some of the best animations i have seen in a MMO, and besides add fatalities to that and you even have something unique to the MMO scene ..
And last , yes Rift has more polish than AOC had upon release, but you seem to be stuck at the release in your description of AOC. Like most people when describing this game and every other game that had trouble launching.
If only Rift had a combat system like AOC , then I would be playing it...
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
+1. i couldnt even imagine going back to one of the previous mmo's ive played. wows trash, wars trash, daocs trash, eves trash, i mean really people you say its a clone, i say it just did it better.
Keeping saving that cash. By the time a company makes a game you will probably enjoy you'll most likely be a millionaire.
I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.
Whoa! This OP is on the warpath. Seems to be for quite a few threads.
I think he needs to chill and not be as bad as the people he doesnt want to become. See I see a lot of posts from people like the OP ,and now now lets not dissect who 'the people like the OP' are or the other party that say its just a clone, that are very unfair to games like WoW, Aion and Lotor. On the other hand people that are unfair to Rift. You guys need to take a step back and look at it in perspective. If you want to be happy with your MMOs you have to enjoy what each MMO brings. Sure some may not please people and obviously the devs need to go back to the drawing board but hey thats life.
You dont see me making these kind of posts when Aion was around majorly. I hopped on knowing what I was getting into and had a blast. Sure I contributed to a lot of threads back then but never took it out on another MMO at the time.
The feeling your emmiting about your attitude to these current gen MMOs is bad as the haters hating on Rift.
The title makes all the magic.
Eat me!
People have an opinion. If they think it is a clone and boring then they can.
In all honestly it is a clone, it has taken ideas from pervious MMO's, polished them and added a few idea's of their own. Does it do this well? Thats up to the player to decide. Is it boring? Again up to the player to decide.
If you enjoy RIFT then why are asking people to point out a better MMO? You do realize it is possible for people to like completely different things?
RIFT is a good game but not everyone is going to like it. You have to expect people to flame, troll and criticize anything about the game.
Every time a new game comes out someone thinks it is the best thing since sliced bread and some people think it sucks compared to thier beloved game. Someplace there is a reality, but these folks won't hear any of it. At least not until the shiney veneer wears off for the first guy, and the second guy says, "it ain't so bad."
Happens. Every. Time.
Hmm, is it a clone of ... though, or a child of ...
Clone implies exact copy, probably without a soul.
Direct descendant though is something that has tons of similarities with the original and still its own soul.
Soul ... Rift ... souls ... hehe, see what I did there.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
The popularity of this thread is an indication of the secret fascination people cannot really admit on having of Rift. Closet fans one and all.
To the OP
The main thing in life is that you need to enjoy it for yourself.. If you are having a blast in Rifts then hell yeah play it and enjoy it dont let what other people think spoil it or get you angry about their opinion...
Play what you like and msot of all have fun...
Thats what i think.. at the Moment i play Darkfall and am having some of the most fun I ahve ever had in an MMO..
If listened to most people i would not have played as by all acconuts its a massive grind and you would never be able to PVP because everyone else is so far ahead.. well they where wrong in about a month im pretty competitive..
But most of all im having a blast
Most people don't say rift is bad and it certainly is unoriginal. But if you enjoy it then have fun man.
A lot of people don't like EVE online but i love it....but you don't see me making threads like these.
Think before you thread folks.
Playing: PO, EVE
Waiting for: WoD
Favourite MMOs: VG, EVE, FE and DDO
Any person who expresses rage and loathing for an MMO is preposterous. He or she is like a person who has put on full armor and attacked a hot fudge sundae.
Well the King's face is already printed on currency, but despite that; good note. Skyrim is coming out anyway, the King will sigh these crap clone titles and enjoy himself elsewhere.
Skyrim!!!!!!!!
Sorry... im a TES fanboy and can't help myself.
I IS ASHAMED!
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
Oh... I was worse in the EVE forums.
Fighting the good fight, defending the greatest game ever created with code daily.
YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!! EVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
You and me both. Hoping this one at least has some minor multiplayer support of some sort. I've been trying to find a legal copy of the very first game to play cuz I got on board with Daggerfall. Ya know to stem me until 11-11-11
One funny thing was my friend was playing terra and I was doing the whole clone comparison and i said watch in a few levels i bet they even have dual spec.... a few hours later i got a text...
Multiple specs only last as long as min maxers aren't around inevitably even with all the freedom in this game there will be a few specs that everyone plays and if you don't play them you're a nub.
I don't think at this moment theres a better fantasy mmo out there that is better than RIFT . I know its not that original but I don't care its fun and thats all I ask for in a game . Best game I've seen since the release of WoW . If the endgames any good then this really could be the next big thing . In fact I would suggest to anyone that does'nt like this game that perhaps you should give up on fantasy mmos for the next 5 years at least because its unlikly your going to like anything anytime in the near future (even GuildWars 2 or Tera) .
I like DCU too .But I don't think the animations in RIFT are stiff and clunky and the combat is one of the best things about it . HMMM different strokes I guess .
Ok guys, its really a matter of personal taste. Everyman has the right to have his opinion and stick to it.
It depends on age, backround and many other things to play a mmo.
Undoubtedly many players from WoW will love this game.
Undoubtedly, and we must be mature and honest, it's a 90% wow game, with a new " look ".
It's by far NOT a next generation mmo. It's NOT a pvp game.
It is a very good PvE game compared to other games ( as far as level 30, thats how far i went ).
Plus it has a high level professional team as i can see from the way they deal with problems and with clients.
As for me, i respect all opinions as i want mine to be respected.
And the honest to god truth is that i played Beta5 and Beta6, but yesterday i logged in and immedietly logged out. Just could not play anymore. It was all over the same content that all other similar games offer plus i don't like that style of PvP made for clickers and " jumping rabbits ".
So instead i played my Global Agenda account i bought 3 days ago with the 1/5 of Rift price ( €11,50 with coupon, no subscription ) and i had the time of my life in 20+ missions that popped every 2 min. And the action was devastating.
To end, i would like to point out 2 large imo issues that Rift will face :
1. Price ( For us, European players, it costs €59,99 for the digital collectors edition. I believe it's far too expensive for this game)
2. Polulation ( warhammer players will know what i mean as i am refering to the PQ aspect of Rift )
For those who enjoy Rift i say : stick with it guys, i hope you will have the best fun ever !!!
And for the Trion people, best of luck guys, hope to see something really new after release !!