I'd much rarther have a game worth playing than to make a werewolf-vampire-gnome-pixie-orc-dragon-goblin-troll-robot-alien, with 1million diffrent hair styles and beards, but i guess thats just me.
exactly the reason I cannot take WoW seriously. I played it and tried to enjoy it, but then the worgen and his lame jokes ruined the whole thing for me when cata came out.
I prefer the more realistic races, not an odd mixture. I think the races in this game are fine. Don't over do it like they have done in some games.
You are totally race baiting - I understand your frustrations, but you seem to be missing a very fundamental thing about races:
Geography
Imagine medieval Europe. How many black people do you think were there? Probably less than a hundred, and those that were there were either travellers from their home country, or slaves/prisoners. Then imagine Africa at the same time. How many white people do you think were there? Yeah, probably not a whole lot either, and it's very doubtful that those that were, were indiginous to the area.
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In Rift, the Mathosians and the Eth come from two different geographical regions, as do most of the races in the game. If you want to lump the races together into factions, then the Guardians represent medieval europe, with predominantly white people, and the Defiant would represent north africa. You can pretty clearly see both egyptian and tribal influences in the design choices. Eth are a wandering desert people, the Bahmi are tribesmen living in canyons, and the Kelari are an elven offshoot that has been isolated on islands for a long time, and have gotten tainted by planar magic...
It makes sense, in the context of the world, which is not a globalized community like our world is today, that races will stil be more or less seperated. It makes sense that you can only make a black Eth, and not a black Mathosian, because of their indiginous environment. If you want to bitch about something in this regard, bitch about how we can't switch factions - because short of being a merchant, slave or prisoner, that's the only way an Eth would be welcomed in Mathosian society - and vice-versa.
..Personally though, I think the Eth can look pretty damned cool, and I will be playing one in live...
Opps well they must have added the change in the recent beta because I certainly couldn't do that in the last beta. So I recant my charge on Rift. I have been slain on this issue. Do note though I wasn't trolling intentionally. It wasnt' possible to make a character like that in previous betas and I have not played the recent one.
Well, after that, I hope you plan on buying the game. The more the merrier.
Not bashing on the OP here, just adding something to my previous post:
The Bahmi are Djinn! I've been trying to place their influence for a while, but I'm fairly sure that's where it came from - at least the fantasy representation of a Jinn/Djinn/Genie.
Not bashing on the OP here, just adding something to my previous post:
The Bahmi are Djinn! I've been trying to place their influence for a while, but I'm fairly sure that's where it came from - at least the fantasy representation of a Jinn/Djinn/Genie.
Not bashing on the OP here, just adding something to my previous post:
The Bahmi are Djinn! I've been trying to place their influence for a while, but I'm fairly sure that's where it came from - at least the fantasy representation of a Jinn/Djinn/Genie.
Agreed. The very first thing I thought of when I rolled one was this.
Classes and whatnot aside, Rift feels sorta AD&D-like to me. Probably all the planar stuff.
I just loaded up Rift to see if I could make a character as dark as you guys got there and I must not be seeing it but I can't make a character that dark. I really want to be able to but I just am not seeing it. The best I can do is tan. Unless there is a way to flip the skin color palete. I swear I am not making this up either. I wish I knew how to post a screen but I don't. I swear I cannot make it I just tried. Now I am not disputing being wrong. I am just not able to for some reason to make my characters Guardian or Defiant that dark. Lol, I really wish I could show you. It is the only reason I said what I did above.
I guess they wanted to make sure that they didn't have any 'cool' looking races out of fear of population inbalances, but even a trifle originality wouldn't of gone astray, surely?
I dont care about races,it is fine with only one race and all look the same,I care more about the class system and game content.
I just loaded up Rift to see if I could make a character as dark as you guys got there and I must not be seeing it but I can't make a character that dark. I really want to be able to but I just am not seeing it. The best I can do is tan. Unless there is a way to flip the skin color palete. I swear I am not making this up either. I wish I knew how to post a screen but I don't. I swear I cannot make it I just tried. Now I am not disputing being wrong. I am just not able to for some reason to make my characters Guardian or Defiant that dark. Lol, I really wish I could show you. It is the only reason I said what I did above.
Okay, I booted up the game for a quick side-by-side. First picture is a Mathosian, with hair, beard and markings removed, and made as dark as I possibly could. Second picture is an Eth, with the same parameters.
Both pictures are unedited, except for me resizing them to 50% of original:
The Eth is clearly darker-skinned, but in the context of what I wrote earlier in this thread (about them being from a different region), that makes sense. If you are unable to replicate these two appearances, then perhaps it's something with your computer's color setup/balance that needs to be adressed? We have 3 computers in the house here, and the pictures look the same on all of them.
Yeah it must be something on my end because I basically picked the same features you did and my guy looks tan. Not dark like your pic. I understand about regions and such and my above post were not ment to raise racial flames I just wasn't seeing much variation went I click on the dark palete. I will have to look into it. And also I never said I wasn't buying the game. I just wasn't seeing much racial differences in character races while playing. For some reason they all are just white to tan. I can't even make my Eth as dark as you Math on my computer.
On the guardian side I actually think the races are very well done, even if they are as generic as it gets.
The dwarves particularly, the body proportions are awesome. Also, for once the female dwarf is going to be popular. Anecdotal I know but I've seen quite a few positive comments about the female dwarf.
The female versions for Mathosian and Elf are particularly, erm, hot.
On the defiant side I think all 3 races there were awful, except for one of the female versions (human I think).
The real issue is how Trion is going to respond to the "female armour" threads plus the request for a boob slider... I think the mix they have is fine and I think the proportions as they have now are also fine. I only hope they add an appearance tab.
Pointy ears is not a race. Long beards and midgetry do not a culture make. If there aren't werewolves, dragonmen, catgirls or any other sort of anthropomorphic humanoid, I am automatically critical of whatever shallow excuse for a race system an MMO might have. How about letting us play as a minotaur?
How about a dragon? Horizons(now Istaria) has that option(and more) and it didn't save the game. Races are just one minor element. If the game is good and polished, I really do not care about that at this point. Rift is entertaining, and polished. Thats all I'm looking for.
My only racial complaint is that the two non-human races on the defiant side have to be purple. I just think that looks terrible, and there should be the option for a more natural skin tone, dark, light, whatever, but why force people to be purple...
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
My only racial complaint is that the two non-human races on the defiant side have to be purple. I just think that looks terrible, and there should be the option for a more natural skin tone, dark, light, whatever, but why force people to be purple...
My guess is they can copy paste animations with ease if they keep them all human.
Given the overall lack of personality and cheapness I was surprised with the existence of dwarves (then tried to make one and they all look dumb, you can't make nice dwarf or grumpy dwarf or ugly dwarf, all you get is dumb dwarf).
Or maybe it was intention to make empty puppets you can fill with your own roleplay.. meh who am I kidding. I would be fine with just humans if they looked alive.
Given the overall lack of personality and cheapness I was surprised with the existence of dwarves (then tried to make one and they all look dumb, you can't make nice dwarf or grumpy dwarf or ugly dwarf, all you get is dumb dwarf).
I noticed that about the dwarves, too. I wanted to make a grisled angry gimli dwarf, but it just wasn't possible. Closest I could come was dopey with a unibrow.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
My only racial complaint is that the two non-human races on the defiant side have to be purple. I just think that looks terrible, and there should be the option for a more natural skin tone, dark, light, whatever, but why force people to be purple...
Bahmi can also be gray or blue.
Guess that might depend on your color settings. Looked like pale greyish purple to dark bluish purple to me.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
I think Rift will be a sucess and i will be pre-ordering it soon. Still, I will agree with the OP.. partly, and here is why:
It's not as simple as to say that the game NEEDS 'cool' looking races. But almost every MMORPG out there puts some effort into allowing you to create a character as unique as possible. If you spend some time choosing hair color, hair style, eyebrows, or even a cool name, it means you care about making your UNIQUE character. And when in the field, playing amongst others, it would be cool to be recognised.
I just think that the races are very similar to the point of blending we all together and making it harder to discern one form another. Sure, it wont be impossible to spot your friends or to be spotted, but it wont be as easy as if the races were more different looking from each other.
Put 40 characters in WOW together and make them 10 orcs, 10 trolls, 10 humans and 10 elves and the characters will stand out a lot more from each other than if you put 40 characters from Rift together. That's because they all have similar sizes and appearances. It has nothing to do with creativity. It reflects the lore of the rpg system, but that only confirms what is being said.
Is that the most important thing in the world for an MMORPG? Of course not. Like I said, to me that is *possibly* a negative side of the game and I will still be playing it. But it is somewhat important, or developers in general wouldn't put too much effort in character creation. And they do!
Yeah I agree the races are really lame, however I'd rather have a game with just humans than see a bunch of unusual races that come out of nowhere and have really lame stories (ex: worgen-really wow could've used many other races with far more background than the worgen, after gilneas worgen are pretty much no where). If they create an unusual race I hope it's something I've seen like those fish/frog people in silverwind forest.
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exactly the reason I cannot take WoW seriously. I played it and tried to enjoy it, but then the worgen and his lame jokes ruined the whole thing for me when cata came out.
I prefer the more realistic races, not an odd mixture. I think the races in this game are fine. Don't over do it like they have done in some games.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
You are totally race baiting - I understand your frustrations, but you seem to be missing a very fundamental thing about races:
Geography
Imagine medieval Europe. How many black people do you think were there? Probably less than a hundred, and those that were there were either travellers from their home country, or slaves/prisoners. Then imagine Africa at the same time. How many white people do you think were there? Yeah, probably not a whole lot either, and it's very doubtful that those that were, were indiginous to the area.
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In Rift, the Mathosians and the Eth come from two different geographical regions, as do most of the races in the game. If you want to lump the races together into factions, then the Guardians represent medieval europe, with predominantly white people, and the Defiant would represent north africa. You can pretty clearly see both egyptian and tribal influences in the design choices. Eth are a wandering desert people, the Bahmi are tribesmen living in canyons, and the Kelari are an elven offshoot that has been isolated on islands for a long time, and have gotten tainted by planar magic...
It makes sense, in the context of the world, which is not a globalized community like our world is today, that races will stil be more or less seperated. It makes sense that you can only make a black Eth, and not a black Mathosian, because of their indiginous environment. If you want to bitch about something in this regard, bitch about how we can't switch factions - because short of being a merchant, slave or prisoner, that's the only way an Eth would be welcomed in Mathosian society - and vice-versa.
..Personally though, I think the Eth can look pretty damned cool, and I will be playing one in live...
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ok ok I got egg on the face already LOL. I wasn't trying to race bait I swear.
Well, after that, I hope you plan on buying the game. The more the merrier.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
Everyone's going to buy it whether or not they want to admit it : )
Not bashing on the OP here, just adding something to my previous post:
The Bahmi are Djinn! I've been trying to place their influence for a while, but I'm fairly sure that's where it came from - at least the fantasy representation of a Jinn/Djinn/Genie.
See the family resemblance?
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Haha pretty funny
Agreed. The very first thing I thought of when I rolled one was this.
Classes and whatnot aside, Rift feels sorta AD&D-like to me. Probably all the planar stuff.
Playing: FFXIV, EVE
i agree. money money money, we must remember that they are not only for love but for business
I just loaded up Rift to see if I could make a character as dark as you guys got there and I must not be seeing it but I can't make a character that dark. I really want to be able to but I just am not seeing it. The best I can do is tan. Unless there is a way to flip the skin color palete. I swear I am not making this up either. I wish I knew how to post a screen but I don't. I swear I cannot make it I just tried. Now I am not disputing being wrong. I am just not able to for some reason to make my characters Guardian or Defiant that dark. Lol, I really wish I could show you. It is the only reason I said what I did above.
I dont care about races,it is fine with only one race and all look the same,I care more about the class system and game content.
Okay, I booted up the game for a quick side-by-side. First picture is a Mathosian, with hair, beard and markings removed, and made as dark as I possibly could. Second picture is an Eth, with the same parameters.
Both pictures are unedited, except for me resizing them to 50% of original:
The Eth is clearly darker-skinned, but in the context of what I wrote earlier in this thread (about them being from a different region), that makes sense. If you are unable to replicate these two appearances, then perhaps it's something with your computer's color setup/balance that needs to be adressed? We have 3 computers in the house here, and the pictures look the same on all of them.
http://machineborn.guildportal.com - Now recruiting players!
Yeah it must be something on my end because I basically picked the same features you did and my guy looks tan. Not dark like your pic. I understand about regions and such and my above post were not ment to raise racial flames I just wasn't seeing much variation went I click on the dark palete. I will have to look into it. And also I never said I wasn't buying the game. I just wasn't seeing much racial differences in character races while playing. For some reason they all are just white to tan. I can't even make my Eth as dark as you Math on my computer.
It might be something as simple as having your gamma in game set too high - in which case it's an easy fix.
http://machineborn.guildportal.com - Now recruiting players!
On the guardian side I actually think the races are very well done, even if they are as generic as it gets.
The dwarves particularly, the body proportions are awesome. Also, for once the female dwarf is going to be popular. Anecdotal I know but I've seen quite a few positive comments about the female dwarf.
The female versions for Mathosian and Elf are particularly, erm, hot.
On the defiant side I think all 3 races there were awful, except for one of the female versions (human I think).
The real issue is how Trion is going to respond to the "female armour" threads plus the request for a boob slider... I think the mix they have is fine and I think the proportions as they have now are also fine. I only hope they add an appearance tab.
How about a dragon? Horizons(now Istaria) has that option(and more) and it didn't save the game. Races are just one minor element. If the game is good and polished, I really do not care about that at this point. Rift is entertaining, and polished. Thats all I'm looking for.
My only racial complaint is that the two non-human races on the defiant side have to be purple. I just think that looks terrible, and there should be the option for a more natural skin tone, dark, light, whatever, but why force people to be purple...
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Bahmi can also be gray or blue.
It could be worse you could be flourescent green. Now purple sounds better yes.
My guess is they can copy paste animations with ease if they keep them all human.
Given the overall lack of personality and cheapness I was surprised with the existence of dwarves (then tried to make one and they all look dumb, you can't make nice dwarf or grumpy dwarf or ugly dwarf, all you get is dumb dwarf).
Or maybe it was intention to make empty puppets you can fill with your own roleplay.. meh who am I kidding. I would be fine with just humans if they looked alive.
I noticed that about the dwarves, too. I wanted to make a grisled angry gimli dwarf, but it just wasn't possible. Closest I could come was dopey with a unibrow.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Guess that might depend on your color settings. Looked like pale greyish purple to dark bluish purple to me.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
I think Rift will be a sucess and i will be pre-ordering it soon. Still, I will agree with the OP.. partly, and here is why:
It's not as simple as to say that the game NEEDS 'cool' looking races. But almost every MMORPG out there puts some effort into allowing you to create a character as unique as possible. If you spend some time choosing hair color, hair style, eyebrows, or even a cool name, it means you care about making your UNIQUE character. And when in the field, playing amongst others, it would be cool to be recognised.
I just think that the races are very similar to the point of blending we all together and making it harder to discern one form another. Sure, it wont be impossible to spot your friends or to be spotted, but it wont be as easy as if the races were more different looking from each other.
Put 40 characters in WOW together and make them 10 orcs, 10 trolls, 10 humans and 10 elves and the characters will stand out a lot more from each other than if you put 40 characters from Rift together. That's because they all have similar sizes and appearances. It has nothing to do with creativity. It reflects the lore of the rpg system, but that only confirms what is being said.
Is that the most important thing in the world for an MMORPG? Of course not. Like I said, to me that is *possibly* a negative side of the game and I will still be playing it. But it is somewhat important, or developers in general wouldn't put too much effort in character creation. And they do!
Yeah I agree the races are really lame, however I'd rather have a game with just humans than see a bunch of unusual races that come out of nowhere and have really lame stories (ex: worgen-really wow could've used many other races with far more background than the worgen, after gilneas worgen are pretty much no where). If they create an unusual race I hope it's something I've seen like those fish/frog people in silverwind forest.
-I want a Platformer MMO
I want a Centaur.
and no I am not going to play the digital vomit that is Shadowbane.