I'm not sure I understand this thread or this debate?
Bioware is considered one of the kings if not the king of themeparks.
Bethesda (Which I assume the OP meant) is considered one of the kings if not the king of sandboxs.
Both are Juggernauts of gaming, both work on different ends of the spectrum and rarely if ever are in direct competition. Bioware is actually in a slightly better position due to the fact that they are now branching out into MMO's. Bethesda is attempting to branch out into MMO's if they can win the court battles and get the rights for the Fall Out MMO back. Though there really is not much of a competition going on between the two.
So.... I'm not sure what your asking or trying to say?
Personally I'm just as likely to pick up Dragon Age 2 as I am Skyrim, so..............
BUT: I can't help but feel Bioware is sort of losing their way. They always made cool story, ok, but it seems like the expanded that strength at the expense of everything else. Since KOTOR, Bioware RPGs have always been made of many tunnels and no open world, and it seems to get worse with DA2, should the demo be representative. I always felt crammed in this claustrophobic places Bioware makes.
On the other hand, while I love Elder Scrolls and Fallout 3, I can't help to see how weak storytelling and drama is in Bethesda's games. I will never forget this quest in Oblivion, when I escort the next Emperor of the WHOLE KNOWN WORLD (!), and I ride on my noble steed in golden armor, and he is running behind me. Then we reach the capital of the continent, he just says "thanks, bye" and nothing really of note. It was just poor.
So as they say, all good things never come together.
Would have loved to see a joint game creation by BioWare and Bethesda. I think even one based on the StarWars IP would be interesting. KOTOR with a touch of Bethesda magic. I like Bethesda but feel their story writing is weak. They create very pretty worlds though. Voice actors (IMHO only) are another weakness for them. Where as I feel BioWare is pretty good at picking voice actors. I've always enjoyed BioWares way of story telling. Would have liked to see them do an open world RPG. Something that Bethesda excels at. I would like to at least once in my life time see what would happen if BioWare created an Open world RPG. Wouldn't mind see BioWare & Bethesda working together on a project either
In War - Victory. In Peace - Vigilance. In Death - Sacrifice.
Bethesday is a novel, there is a bunch of extra crap in there, but if you skim that and read only the main story parts your done fast. BioWare is a choose your own adventure book, you got to keep making choices until the adventure ends or you get that page that says you are dead please go back to page 1.
Funny that. I stopped reading choose-your-own-adventure books when I was 12 and began reading mostly novels. I'm still reading novels, decades later. Maybe it's that I don't settle for the Cole's Notes version and actually read every word on every page. I hope you don't apply the same ADD approach to all works of literature in excess of 60 or 70 pages. You'd be missing quite a lot.
It's good to see fanboi/haters can bring their extreme views to Single player RPGs too...
Good lord no doubt.
Hey guys. I enjoyed Oblivion. I enjoyed DAO/A. I enjoyed the DA2 demo. I have Preordered DA2.
IM CRAZAH ARENT I?!?!?!
What exactly is new over oblivion here, other then someone saying better third person (lol thank god), quicktime like kill scences, and you being a dragon? Oh and why is it 1000 to 0? One trailer showing the game will be very similar to the last gives beth 1000? Cheats!
BUT: I can't help but feel Bioware is sort of losing their way. They always made cool story, ok, but it seems like the expanded that strength at the expense of everything else. Since KOTOR, Bioware RPGs have always been made of many tunnels and no open world, and it seems to get worse with DA2, should the demo be representative. I always felt crammed in this claustrophobic places Bioware makes.
On the other hand, while I love Elder Scrolls and Fallout 3, I can't help to see how weak storytelling and drama is in Bethesda's games. I will never forget this quest in Oblivion, when I escort the next Emperor of the WHOLE KNOWN WORLD (!), and I ride on my noble steed in golden armor, and he is running behind me. Then we reach the capital of the continent, he just says "thanks, bye" and nothing really of note. It was just poor.
So as they say, all good things never come together.
Would have loved to see a joint game creation by BioWare and Bethesda. I think even one based on the StarWars IP would be interesting. KOTOR with a touch of Bethesda magic. I like Bethesda but feel their story writing is weak. They create very pretty worlds though. Voice actors (IMHO only) are another weakness for them. Where as I feel BioWare is pretty good at picking voice actors. I've always enjoyed BioWares way of story telling. Would have liked to see them do an open world RPG. Something that Bethesda excels at. I would like to at least once in my life time see what would happen if BioWare created an Open world RPG. Wouldn't mind see BioWare & Bethesda working together on a project either
Yeah Bioware and Bethesda working together are on my list of things I'd like to see but likely never will.
Number 1 on the list though is still a DC vs. Marvel fighting game done well with maybe Amalgam chars as unlockables oO!
Bioware and Bethesda make very, very different games.
Bioware games are all about the story, your character and your journey. Bioware loves to make your character someone of great importance and throughout the game you always feel like a badass. They tend to be somewhat linear, especially in their world design, but still feel long and satisfying.
Bethesda is all about the game world, creating one where you get to play your character and live and interact within it. In games like Oblivion and Fallout 3, you basically never have to do much of any story line, and can come and go as you please almost anywhere in the world.
Both companies make great games, but their approach to how they make a fun and exciting RPG is completely different. I am sure Bioware will take note of what Bethesda does in Skyrim, just as I am sure Bethesda will look at Bioware games as well. I doubt however that they will somehow be slammed by Skyrim.
In short: I love Bethesda and Bioware. Though If I had to choose, I am more of a sandbox nut, so I'd go with Bethesda. Although I do believe bioware puts a level of polish and gripping story into their games that Bethesda has yet to achieve.
I'm not sure about this topic, must be that it's someone who just wants to play one type of game.
Overall gamers will be happy or atleast can be happy with both.
While Bioware makes a more action/rpg type of game where Betasheda makes a more traditional rpg.
Also Bioware's game comes out months before Betasheda game releases, should make gamers happy to perhaps have finished DA2 and after a few months can start playing Skyrim.
Baldur's Gate 2 alone makes BioWare the greatest RPG developer in the world. Add Dragon Age 1 and 2 to the mix, and the Mass Effect series, and you've got an unstoppable behemoth of awesomeness. Bethesda's games are weak. Snoresville.
You got that the wrong way around. if any thing is snoresville its bioware games where you have NO freedom to go where you want and do what you want. I will take morrowind over any bioware game anyday. Swtor is going to be the end of them. As its going to crash and burn.
I loled.
Few things happen in Bethesda games, but they do if you make them. Thats the beauty of their games. Freedom to do as much or as little as you want, though I find their stories and plot slightly lacking compared to BioWare. BioWare makes me want to play non stop until the end, then play again, but in a different way. A great talent.
It would be pointless to say that Skyrim won't be good, but why would that make BioWare cry exactly? DA2 and ME3 will likely do just as well. Just because this game is good doesn't mean BioWare is even in the least bit worried that it has... well.. any bearing on how well their games do.
And last time I checked their name was Bethesda... just saying..
Betasheda is their evil twin cousin.
They just aired that episode of the Hulk recently on RetroTV....
It's the best episode of The Incredible Hulk ever.
Like it has been said, this whole thing is becoming a stupid debate. Both of the companies are huge, they both make great games, and their games differ on so many levels!
BioWare makes good RPG's with a good stories, while Bethesda has the sandboxy approach to gamers.
This whole thread is like debating about a pizza and hamburger, theyre not the same, and they never will be the same, no matter how much you debate, they will be different.
I'll play a Bethesda game when I want to go to sleep. I think they're some of the most boring games I've ever played. Fallout 3 was the only one I played that was remotely interesting, even with its repeating sewer dungeons. When I think of comparing BioWare and Bethesda, I think of the Star Wars movies vs. the Lord of The Rings movies. In the Lord of The Rings movies, they walk for most of the time, it seems, even the trees walked (Good ol' Clerks). The only good part is the final battle at the end. Then I look at Star Wars (old trilogy), which seems to have gotten into my blood almost just out of the enjoyment I've had from watching it over and over through the years.
Bethesda has a good fanbase, no doubts there. However, I can't see myself ever playing one of their games seriously like I do say... Mass Effect games. I just love the focus BioWare puts into their games more than the freedoms Bethesda puts into theirs. It'll always be like that, I guess.
I think he got the name right though, it should be BETAsheda...lol
I'll play a Bethesda game when I want to go to sleep. I think they're some of the most boring games I've ever played. Fallout 3 was the only one I played that was remotely interesting, even with it's repeating sewer dungeons. When I think of comparing BioWare and Bethesda, I think of the Star Wars movies vs. the Lord of The Rings movies. In the Lord of The Rings movies, they walk for most of the time, it seems, even the trees walked (Good ol' Clerks). The only good part is the final battle at the end. Then I look at Star Wars (old trilogy), which seems to have gotten into my blood almost just out of the enjoyment I've had from watching it over and over through the years.
I think he got the name right though, it should be BETAsheda...lol
Never trust a man who thinks the lord of the rings movies weren't good.
They left out Tom, Glorfindel, Dol Amroth, Grey Company, Elronds twin sons (arwens brothers) and still made it good. Yes I'm annoyed there was no Glorfindel, no Elladan and Elrohir, but it was a good trilogy.
Longing for Skyrim, The Old Republic and Mass Effect 3
I'll play a Bethesda game when I want to go to sleep. I think they're some of the most boring games I've ever played. Fallout 3 was the only one I played that was remotely interesting, even with it's repeating sewer dungeons. When I think of comparing BioWare and Bethesda, I think of the Star Wars movies vs. the Lord of The Rings movies. In the Lord of The Rings movies, they walk for most of the time, it seems, even the trees walked (Good ol' Clerks). The only good part is the final battle at the end. Then I look at Star Wars (old trilogy), which seems to have gotten into my blood almost just out of the enjoyment I've had from watching it over and over through the years.
Bethesda has a good fanbase, no doubts there. However, I can't see myself ever playing one of their games seriously like I do say... Mass Effect games. I just love the focus BioWare puts into their games more than the freedoms Bethesda puts into theirs. It'll always be like that, I guess.
I think he got the name right though, it should be BETAsheda...lol
^ wrong on so many levels
Both are great companies, having delivered the best RPG games in history. This debate is hopeless though.
Never trust a man who thinks the lord of the rings movies weren't good.
They left out Tom, Glorfindel, Dol Amroth, Grey Company, Elronds twin sons (arwens brothers) and still made it good. Yes I'm annoyed there was no Glorfindel, no Elladan and Elrohir, but it was a good trilogy.
They werent as good as the books but movies are a different media. I personally think that a serie would have been better, there should be material for 3 seasons in the books.
But PJ did a great job with the movies, I don't see how he could have done better in the time the movies are even if cutting out the death of Saruman was a bad decision.
As for Bethesda against Bioware I like both companies but both my favorite games from them is in the past.
I really loved Daggerfall, it was far more fun than Oblivion. And Neverwinter nights was a lot better than Dragonage.
Both companies are good but they can both do better than what they done lately.
Both are great companies, having delivered the best RPG games in history. This debate is hopeless though.
Sorry, but SSI must also be mentioned then, in many ways they were the best maker of RPGs ever, even if the technology at the time was limited.
Games like Champions of Krynn and Pool of radiance (not the crap game released 5 years ago or so) are both classics in line with Baldurs gate and Daggerfall.
Never trust a man who thinks the lord of the rings movies weren't good.
They left out Tom, Glorfindel, Dol Amroth, Grey Company, Elronds twin sons (arwens brothers) and still made it good. Yes I'm annoyed there was no Glorfindel, no Elladan and Elrohir, but it was a good trilogy.
They werent as good as the books but movies are a different media. I personally think that a serie would have been better, there should be material for 3 seasons in the books.
But PJ did a great job with the movies, I don't see how he could have done better in the time the movies are even if cutting out the death of Saruman was a bad decision.
As for Bethesda against Bioware I like both companies but both my favorite games from them is in the past.
I really loved Daggerfall, it was far more fun than Oblivion. And Neverwinter nights was a lot better than Dragonage.
Both companies are good but they can both do better than what they done lately.
They are trying to infiltrate the console market, that's the problem.
Bioware makes linear tactical combat games (or they did, now they're just linear combat games)
Bethesda makes sandbox games. Not even the same audience.
Agree on BW, but wouldn't say Bethesda's are sandboxes, more like free world roaming games. Quite limited to combat and character development. Or can you realy construct anything?
Never trust a man who thinks the lord of the rings movies weren't good.
They left out Tom, Glorfindel, Dol Amroth, Grey Company, Elronds twin sons (arwens brothers) and still made it good. Yes I'm annoyed there was no Glorfindel, no Elladan and Elrohir, but it was a good trilogy.
They werent as good as the books but movies are a different media. I personally think that a serie would have been better, there should be material for 3 seasons in the books.
But PJ did a great job with the movies, I don't see how he could have done better in the time the movies are even if cutting out the death of Saruman was a bad decision.
As for Bethesda against Bioware I like both companies but both my favorite games from them is in the past.
I really loved Daggerfall, it was far more fun than Oblivion. And Neverwinter nights was a lot better than Dragonage.
Both companies are good but they can both do better than what they done lately.
Totally agree. Would've been nice to see the war in the north aswell with the elves and dwarves. We didn't see enough of the dwarves sadly. I think the elves at Helms Deep was abit of a nod to the fact that they were involved in the war, that they hadn't just gone, "Ah, sorry, I'm packing to leave. Good luck though!" because they did stand and fight with their underground allies.
Also agree on the companies. I think it sucks that people are taking two great companies out of the sea of S*** out there and pitting them against each other. If anything their on the same side! The ones delivering us Game of the year quality titles.
Longing for Skyrim, The Old Republic and Mass Effect 3
Bioware makes linear tactical combat games (or they did, now they're just linear combat games)
Bethesda makes sandbox games. Not even the same audience.
Agree on BW, but wouldn't say Bethesda's are sandboxes, more like free world roaming games. Quite limited to combat and character development. Or can you realy construct anything?
True enough. Though I don't believe you actually have to be able to build something to be a sandbox game. It just has to be open ended/up to the player to make his own destriny in the game world.
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I'm not sure I understand this thread or this debate?
Bioware is considered one of the kings if not the king of themeparks.
Bethesda (Which I assume the OP meant) is considered one of the kings if not the king of sandboxs.
Both are Juggernauts of gaming, both work on different ends of the spectrum and rarely if ever are in direct competition. Bioware is actually in a slightly better position due to the fact that they are now branching out into MMO's. Bethesda is attempting to branch out into MMO's if they can win the court battles and get the rights for the Fall Out MMO back. Though there really is not much of a competition going on between the two.
So.... I'm not sure what your asking or trying to say?
Personally I'm just as likely to pick up Dragon Age 2 as I am Skyrim, so..............
This is the thempark vs sandbox debate, single player style. Hehe
Would have loved to see a joint game creation by BioWare and Bethesda. I think even one based on the StarWars IP would be interesting. KOTOR with a touch of Bethesda magic. I like Bethesda but feel their story writing is weak. They create very pretty worlds though. Voice actors (IMHO only) are another weakness for them. Where as I feel BioWare is pretty good at picking voice actors. I've always enjoyed BioWares way of story telling. Would have liked to see them do an open world RPG. Something that Bethesda excels at. I would like to at least once in my life time see what would happen if BioWare created an Open world RPG. Wouldn't mind see BioWare & Bethesda working together on a project either
In War - Victory.
In Peace - Vigilance.
In Death - Sacrifice.
Funny that. I stopped reading choose-your-own-adventure books when I was 12 and began reading mostly novels. I'm still reading novels, decades later. Maybe it's that I don't settle for the Cole's Notes version and actually read every word on every page. I hope you don't apply the same ADD approach to all works of literature in excess of 60 or 70 pages. You'd be missing quite a lot.
Good lord no doubt.
Hey guys. I enjoyed Oblivion. I enjoyed DAO/A. I enjoyed the DA2 demo. I have Preordered DA2.
IM CRAZAH ARENT I?!?!?!
What exactly is new over oblivion here, other then someone saying better third person (lol thank god), quicktime like kill scences, and you being a dragon? Oh and why is it 1000 to 0? One trailer showing the game will be very similar to the last gives beth 1000? Cheats!
Yeah Bioware and Bethesda working together are on my list of things I'd like to see but likely never will.
Number 1 on the list though is still a DC vs. Marvel fighting game done well with maybe Amalgam chars as unlockables oO!
In short: I love Bethesda and Bioware. Though If I had to choose, I am more of a sandbox nut, so I'd go with Bethesda. Although I do believe bioware puts a level of polish and gripping story into their games that Bethesda has yet to achieve.
I'm not sure about this topic, must be that it's someone who just wants to play one type of game.
Overall gamers will be happy or atleast can be happy with both.
While Bioware makes a more action/rpg type of game where Betasheda makes a more traditional rpg.
Also Bioware's game comes out months before Betasheda game releases, should make gamers happy to perhaps have finished DA2 and after a few months can start playing Skyrim.
http://gnews.com/skyrim-screenshots-save-you-from-a-world-of-hurt-13201106021908/
They've greatly improved character design
The Skyrim trailer was really epic, it had real gameplay and awesome music!
I loled.
Few things happen in Bethesda games, but they do if you make them. Thats the beauty of their games. Freedom to do as much or as little as you want, though I find their stories and plot slightly lacking compared to BioWare. BioWare makes me want to play non stop until the end, then play again, but in a different way. A great talent.
As for them crash and burning.....
KoTOR, BG1 + 2, NWN, ME1 ME2 ME3, DA1 DA2 (probably 3 also).
Crash and burn? They could well make more money than Bethesda, easily. (Partly due to three releases this year.)
Hell theres talk of a Mass Effect movie.
Longing for Skyrim, The Old Republic and Mass Effect 3
It's the best episode of The Incredible Hulk ever.
In Bioware we trust!
I love how the advertisement before trailer was DA2, still I saw slight shuttering in ingame footage, or maybe it's my comp...
Anyway alredy pre-ordered Witcher 2...
Like it has been said, this whole thing is becoming a stupid debate. Both of the companies are huge, they both make great games, and their games differ on so many levels!
BioWare makes good RPG's with a good stories, while Bethesda has the sandboxy approach to gamers.
This whole thread is like debating about a pizza and hamburger, theyre not the same, and they never will be the same, no matter how much you debate, they will be different.
I'll play a Bethesda game when I want to go to sleep. I think they're some of the most boring games I've ever played. Fallout 3 was the only one I played that was remotely interesting, even with its repeating sewer dungeons. When I think of comparing BioWare and Bethesda, I think of the Star Wars movies vs. the Lord of The Rings movies. In the Lord of The Rings movies, they walk for most of the time, it seems, even the trees walked (Good ol' Clerks). The only good part is the final battle at the end. Then I look at Star Wars (old trilogy), which seems to have gotten into my blood almost just out of the enjoyment I've had from watching it over and over through the years.
Bethesda has a good fanbase, no doubts there. However, I can't see myself ever playing one of their games seriously like I do say... Mass Effect games. I just love the focus BioWare puts into their games more than the freedoms Bethesda puts into theirs. It'll always be like that, I guess.
I think he got the name right though, it should be BETAsheda...lol
Never trust a man who thinks the lord of the rings movies weren't good.
They left out Tom, Glorfindel, Dol Amroth, Grey Company, Elronds twin sons (arwens brothers) and still made it good. Yes I'm annoyed there was no Glorfindel, no Elladan and Elrohir, but it was a good trilogy.
Longing for Skyrim, The Old Republic and Mass Effect 3
^ wrong on so many levels
Both are great companies, having delivered the best RPG games in history. This debate is hopeless though.
lets be thankful for both bethesda and bioWare, two studios that putout great games. enough said
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They werent as good as the books but movies are a different media. I personally think that a serie would have been better, there should be material for 3 seasons in the books.
But PJ did a great job with the movies, I don't see how he could have done better in the time the movies are even if cutting out the death of Saruman was a bad decision.
As for Bethesda against Bioware I like both companies but both my favorite games from them is in the past.
I really loved Daggerfall, it was far more fun than Oblivion. And Neverwinter nights was a lot better than Dragonage.
Both companies are good but they can both do better than what they done lately.
Sorry, but SSI must also be mentioned then, in many ways they were the best maker of RPGs ever, even if the technology at the time was limited.
Games like Champions of Krynn and Pool of radiance (not the crap game released 5 years ago or so) are both classics in line with Baldurs gate and Daggerfall.
Bioware makes linear tactical combat games (or they did, now they're just linear combat games)
Bethesda makes sandbox games. Not even the same audience.
They are trying to infiltrate the console market, that's the problem.
Agree on BW, but wouldn't say Bethesda's are sandboxes, more like free world roaming games. Quite limited to combat and character development. Or can you realy construct anything?
Totally agree. Would've been nice to see the war in the north aswell with the elves and dwarves. We didn't see enough of the dwarves sadly. I think the elves at Helms Deep was abit of a nod to the fact that they were involved in the war, that they hadn't just gone, "Ah, sorry, I'm packing to leave. Good luck though!" because they did stand and fight with their underground allies.
Also agree on the companies. I think it sucks that people are taking two great companies out of the sea of S*** out there and pitting them against each other. If anything their on the same side! The ones delivering us Game of the year quality titles.
Longing for Skyrim, The Old Republic and Mass Effect 3
True enough. Though I don't believe you actually have to be able to build something to be a sandbox game. It just has to be open ended/up to the player to make his own destriny in the game world.