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Fratman
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From the G4 hands on review:
"I have to say, I was expecting something very different to anything I've ever played before, and it seemed that the classes we played (and the way their talent specializations worked for the demo) was like playing a reskinned World of Warcraft. Sure, in the released game you'll get to customize your characters in tons of different ways, but for this demo, I left wanting to have felt impressed by something new to the MMO genre, and the demo didn't live up to my "I-love-innovation" expectation."
Read more: http://www.g4tv.com/games/pc/61502/star-wars-the-old-republic/articles/73850/Star-Wars-The-Old-Republic-Hands-On-Preview-/#ixzz1GgmczWdx
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Zomg, the pixels are cartoony just like WoWs! WoW has elves, SW has Jedi. It's a WoW clone guize!
Seriously, stop overhyping stuff and actually wait to test and see it with your own hands and eyes and maybe, just maybe. The game will realistically meet your expectations.
When did you start playing "old school" MMO's. World Of Warcraft?
so dumb..... so very, very dumb. I watched those same G4 r-tards say that DCUO was too much like WoW in some cases & not enough like WoW in other cases..... Be a skeptic when it comes to reviews from anyone but your close friends/'guildies because everyone else has alterior motives for supporting or putting down a game.
Yeah. Even the personal space ships, companions, light sabers and planets are the same.
And 30 or 300 polygons is just a difference of one 0 ( 0 = no difference at all).
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She played WoW for over 4 years.... YEARS.... and she has an "I love innovation" expectation? Anyone else find this to be a cruel joke? I dare say any MMO she plays will be too much like WoW to really innovate.
lol yeah like a 40 minute hectic play session is enough to get a proper overview over what the game offers. It's based on the EQ formulae, anyone that's spent more than 5 minutes following the game knew that, besides the obvious (graphics, story, setting, voicing, real consequence etc) the difference is in the details.
Why should our expectations be another WoW? We already have 1000 WoW clones, and all but one or two have any type of population. One is f2p and the other is WoW.
I just don't believe we should tone down our expectations to accept WoW clones, just for the sake of having our expectations being met.
ATTENTION TROLLS: I'm not saying SWTOR is a WoW clone. Just commenting on this weird idea that we should accept crap product.
I stopped trusting G4's input a long time ago. Just saying its hilarious watching them recant earlier statements after games release.
Retired: EVE, SWG, STO, EQ2, Ryzom, AO, LotRO, FFXI
Currently Awaiting: SWTOR, TSW, ArcheAge
Come on guys, your acting like the fact she said it plays similar to Wow is something to be shocked and appalled at. Dam near everyone should have realised it was the case months ago. I mean seriously Bioware are like the biggest Wow fanboi's ever, they even said they followed what they believed to be Wow's core principles. The game is WoW with Bioware flavour and Star Wars seting which is not necessarily a bad thing, but arguing otherwise seems a bit stupid. Of course it's not a direct copy and they probably improved many systems but even they themselves have said the base is the same.
Ok, so I heard this tale from someone in the restaurant business:
"So I am sitting at this wonderful bar and grill, named after an owl or something, and I thought to myself, 'Hey, I should get a burger!'. The attractive waitress came by and I ordered a cheeseburger with a Sam Adams. I had high hopes - and then my food arrived. There it was, beef on a bun. I was furious. I threw it indignantly on the floor. 'What is this, McDonald's? This is a Big Mac clone!' I insisted on a refund in light of such plagiarism and lack of innovaiton. Surprisingly, the manager smacked me with a slab of ribs and politely suggested I go pleasure myself before throwing me out. Weird huh?"
It kind of reminds me of this...
I'm actually very curious as to WHY she thought it would be some kind of innovative, think outside the box, turn the genre on its head kind of experience, rather than an experienced that has grown out of the MMO successes and failures of the last few years? I mean its not like they were keeping it a secret that it wasnt going to be a groundbreaking totally different game from what we've seen.
Yep, WoW-clone no doubt!
Because WoW have:
- 8 classes each one with their own story.
- World quests that aren't shared by both factions.
- Dialogues with cutscenes and voices for all npc's and most importantly choices you can make that change future events
- A cover system for two classes smuggler and Imperial Agent. And even if your class doesn't use the cover system, you still can hide behind stuff and you won't take damage.
- Melee synchronized combat were you can parry several enemies.
- Interactive objects in some parts of the world, which you can use to blow up enemies,etc.
- A complex crafting system.
- Companions that have their own story and which you can do RPG stuff like romancing or killing them, etc.
- A ship that is basically you HUB to things in the game, like traveling the galaxy, acessing space combat mini-game, crafting table, storage, etc.
- A codex with all info about planets, enemies, species, basically everything you find in the game.
And theres more that wasn't announced yet, like probably some kind of RvR (hinted), other mini-games like pazaak, sabaac, probably swoop racing and more stuff.
But yes, this game is totally a WoW-clone... no doubt about it.
Ah, journalism at its finest. Its like G4 staff writers have some sort of contest about how uninformed they can get before posting their opinions lol. Pretty sure Bioware themselves stated they aimed to emulate WoW's model on at least a few occasions.
Pretty much this. I would say the nail was hit on the head. SWTOR is second on my list behind GW2, but I agree with you. SWTOR will have something for everyone!
Have Played: FFXI, WoW, Aion, DCUO
Waiting For: TSW, World of Darkness, SWTOR
Currently Playing: KOTOR
Tried: Matrix Online, Rift, Xsyon, LOTRO, EVE, Guild Wars
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ROFLMAO
+1 sir, nicely done
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Tried Aoc, Aion, EQII, RoM, Vindictus, Darkfail, DDO, GW, PotBS
Trully theres nothing more its like trying to say "lets revolutionize basketball".
Good luck with those dreams.
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Completely agreed with the G4 report.
So tired of wow clone this wow clone that let it go allready wow is a clone of EQ so these games are all eq clones amirite?
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I'll have to admit that I can agree with some of the OP's quoted text. Mainly that I want innovation, and am disappointed when there isn't innovation. I don't know enough about SWTOR to determine how the game is or will be, but if it is just doing the same style of gameplay as previous mmo's then I won't bother playing it. From some of the comments that the dev's made earlier, I may not be playing it.
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I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
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True. Also eq was inspired on even older games which were inspired on pen & paper rpg's which were inspired on fantasy books which were inspired on Tolkien's Lord Of The Rings, which was inspired on celtic and Norse mythology and folk tales but also, (though sometimes this wrongfully gets denied), on the dreadful things that transpired in WW2 which were mainly the fault of, yes, Adolf Hitler. V_V
edit: Anet doesn't even hide this fact in the naming of its new mmorpg.
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Battlefield Bad Company 2 is a Halo 3 clone because you aim and shoot in both games. Not to mention Baldur's Gate 1 & 2 are WoW clones because you have to target an enemy and then choose an ability to use, it's like playing the same game.
Not to nit pic or anything but it was WW1
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
In some ways it was both and in many ways it was neither. Tolkien himself was very clear that he was not writing about either of those wars, but people have seem much analogous with both.
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/ngbeyond/rings/influences.html
I had recalled that Tolkien had begun writing "The Lord of the Rings" in the trenches of WW1. Never thought it was about either war, but no doubt he was influenced by both.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Tolkien's premise for the Lord of the Rings stories was about modern industrialization and how it was not only destroying the environment, but its domination over the very moral foundations of men. Sauron and Saruman represent this with their hatred of the forests and their mass production of orcs and their weapons of war all in order to dominate mankind.
There was a perfect example of this in both the Two Towers book and the movie, where Saruman makes his internal speech about the fall of the forest under the "fires of industry" and the domination of the world of men.
As to the topic, I'm sick and tired of this stupid revelation that it's not a revolutionary game. Bioware never once claimed this was, only that it would focus on the fourth pillar that is story and story branching, along with the other typical MMO fare to be found in today's games. They have said that the combat would feel more visceral graphically, but never said it would actually be FPS or twitchy. It would have all the regular questing and mob killing and crafting that is typical of other games in the genre.
Stop with the OMG statements about aspects of this game that the developers never said would be there in the first place, including the pre-cu Star War Galaxies style combat and crafting and skill / class system and space simulator.
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You might want to take a look at the swtor website and read the FAQ. They're claiming several "key innovations", but as far as I can tell I'm not seeing any. FYI- Story is not an innovation, neither are voiceovers.
So they're telling us this is a next gen game with new innovations that separate them from every other MMO out there (WoW), but in reality they're just giving us a reskinned WoW in space. This is called being bamboozled.
If you're fine with playing a refurbished WoW in space then I guess swtor is for you. However, I think gamers should demand more from developers, especially when we're talking about mmos and the epic time investment for players that comes along with them.
How does Star Wars: The Old Republic differ from other MMO titles?
Star Wars: The Old Republic will be similar to other MMOs but with several key innovations. Traditionally MMOs are built on three pillars; Exploration, Combat, and Progression. We at BioWare and LucasArts believe there is a fourth pillar: Story. Our mission is to create the best story-driven games in the world. We believe that the compelling, interactive storylines in Star Wars: The Old Republic are a significant innovation to MMOs and will offer an entertainment experience unlike any other.