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A step in the right direction (get rid of the hooker-chic aesthetic also please!), I don't know what the "art-directors" of this game were thinking -period-. Between the child-look, the hooker-look (and animations), and the mobs that are so out-there...
The only reason I dont mind this change in the NA service is because it will increase support for the korean developer...the NA franchise will fail just like every other game they try to "westernize"
Firstly for all the people who stand in the camp of "this is sexualizing underaged girls and its a bad thing so the change must be good"....arent you just supporting this abstract idea that it is possible to sexualize underaged girls for the general population of gamers? by demonizing the clothing and bare legs of the original character models as some form of sexualization you are perpetuating this idea that young character models can be viewed as sexual things...and if thats the case then someone needs to seriously consider these critics as threats to children, and not those who want to maintain the artistic integrity of a fantasy race.
Secondly...this age based on appearance thing is specifically a HUMAN trait isnt it? Appearance and time stem from social constructions of society...Ellin...arent humans...therefore I find it hard to understand how people are "aging" these character models...if one considers logically what is being done by the characters in game (casting spells fighting with weapons etc) then isnt it logical to assume that they are in fact NOT children?
To much sound logic, you need to leave this forum now. Your IQ is showing.
I'm glad I refreshed, because this is basically my sentinments in about 4 less paragaphs.
It depends on the games world setting really. If the game is based on medieval times like UO & DaOc then yes the armor should match what was worn at the time. Tera is not a medieval setting, it's high fantasy and its art direction represents this direction.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
Underage girls have been sexualized for longer than video games and video game critics have existed, thus proving your argument invalid.
If it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck, then it must be a duck. People who are not aware of the story of the game won't care that they are old beings because they look like children, and I would bet their sound effects sound like children too.
It's an anime inspired MMO. Thats just the way they are-get over it. I don't think they should change anything. Put 'Tights' in the cash shop for people who really want them.
UO human jerky, anyone?
That was removed from the game due to Japan's extreme cultural taboo on cannibalism. I see this as pretty much the same thing.
Drev
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I think the censoring actually stems from the fact that minors can be seen as sexual by some and that this type of thing is likely to draw them to a game that will likely have it's share of minors playing. Sure we all know there will likely be an age restriction but look at AoC, MO and pretty much any MMO, how well has that age restriction worked?
The problem is there are social MMO's similar to Second Life that target a younger audience and have had similar clothing styles as that of the Elin and have had numerous problems with Online Predators.
You can't really say that by not allowing this you are saying that it is possible to sexualize underaged girls because the fact remains that regardless of wether or not this kind of thing is allowed or not there ARE people out there that do sexualize underage girls.
And wether or not they are children the problem comes from perception. They are seen as depicting children regardless of what the original intent was. A child like race regardless of what you wish is seen as depicting children.
I like your argument about the Elins not being human, but it fails because as it so happens we are human and not Elins.
Hah, just saw those models the first time in this thread, that made me laugh. I mean, I know that will appeal to some people, but still: half naked pre-teen girls in an MMORPG? Oh my...
Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)
Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)
Where does it say that they are girls and not women?
Eleanor Rigby.
Female gnomes in WoW are distorted enough that they don't look like children. The big feet and hands immediately stand out as non-Human. The facial features are more adult-like. The breasts are developed proportionately to what a full-sized adult would have. Most people who don't play video games would look at it and think the female gnome is similar to a midget.
You have the option to choose any voice. but as we all know even some old people sound like children irl.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
I guess the tail and animal ears didn't seperate them enough? Why did they remove those as well, then? To get closer to human qualities?
It's funny how people assume that the less clothing, the more sex. Hell let's take the Native Americans for example, most of the women were topless but they went out in public like that. They didn't perceive sex=less clothing.
Not only do you have a huge ideaology of gaming you have a huge relgion switch too.
Sometimes you have to have a different perception to understand why "it is" like that in the first place. Biggest difference from the Eastern and Western cultures is religion.
Your first perception of seeing a little girl in a bikini is sexual or one of the ways anyway. When I see a little girl in a bikini or anything for that matter, sex never once occurs to me.
But religion is always the loudest.
Edit: More clothes or no clothes doesn't matter to me.
What if there was a grown woman that looked like a pre-teen child(they certainly exist). Should she be arrested for wearing sexy outfits?
People are being oversensitive, those that don't like the style already hate asian produced MMORPGs anyway and prefer the "traditional/non-anime western" style. I personally don't care if they change that race as long as they don't do a crappy job at it. As for the Castanics showing too much skin, they are demonic. I guess we can't trust the NA populous to distinguish between a fantasy game and RL.
They also have a female NPC that smokes a pipe in the Korean version. Oh my..... (wonder if they will cut that out also) -.-
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
This is also a nice try but fails due to reality. Gnomes do not resemble children, the maturity is seen in there faces, bodies and voices. They resemble midgets or dwarfs I forget which is disproportionate. Midgets and Dwarfs are in porns and no such laws prevent it to my knowledge.
Again Gnomes and Drawfs are depicting adults, while short in stature they are still depicted as adults. The Elin are clearly depicted as children. You can argue the lore aspect all you wish but at the end of they day they look like undeveloped children and I am sure will sound as much as well. Effort was put into giving them the innocent look of youth as well.
so you're saying we're all self imposed on the entire reality of our existence? that we're all narcissistic and egomaniacs who cant accept any kind of other intelligent being's existence if it differs from our own standards and norms? >_> I don't think so...I think anyone who can't accept that they re Elins and NOT intended to be human really need to reflect on these belief systems...and perhaps also think about the racist implications that has...
Child-like is...just a concept that I don't agree with...because look at the hips...if we're doing this by human biological standards which is what everyone seems to want to do...those hips are developed past the point of puberty and teenaged...presupposing that these are young adults rather than children....
Bingo. PotD. Our western culture just flat out amazes me, sometimes.
You can let your 10 year old kid watch violent stuff on TV all day and he'll be just fine. But one of JJ's boobies pops out during the Superbowl? "OH THE HORROR!!! MY CHILD WILL BE SCARRED FOR LIFE!!!"
Just have to remind everyone not to get too far into real life poltical/religion/morality arguments. Cultural context is fine, let's just steer this back on track and keep those aspects more general when discussing this topic. Thanks.
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I can feel the leggings being put on >_>
I stopped after the part in red because we are talking about a ficitonal race and this just made you sound bonkers in that context.
Censor it, fine. I wouldn't want play or see a race that resembles 10 year old girls anyway.