Rift is already better than WoW in one way, the people who play it.
Those that play Rift are simply just flipping up the middle finger and saying 'ya, who cares, I like Rift, its fun, and I'm gonna play it'.
Those that play WoW are too busy trying to try and convince everyone WoW is still the man and everyne should be playing it instead.
Someday the WoW players will finally realize the truth, those that dont play WoW dont care anything about WoW. They dont want a comparison to WoW, they dont want to talk about WoW, they dont want to be told anything about WoW at all. They just want to play what they like and be left alone to do it.
I for one will be happy the day WoW is no longer concidered to be the center of discussion whenever the term MMO is brought up.
Problem with the fantasy is that 70% of Rift players came from WoW. Which is great but you're delusional if you think you and I aren't playing with mostly people who have 85s in WoW
This has to be the dumbest catchphrase I have ever heard for a mmo. This ain't Coke vs Pepsi here...more like Coke vs RC. And here I was thinking that hyperbolic marketing was something above Trion's station...I should have known they'd try to top the "We're not in Azeroth..." bit.
Someday the WoW players will finally realize the truth, those that dont play WoW dont care anything about WoW. They dont want a comparison to WoW, they dont want to talk about WoW, they dont want to be told anything about WoW at all. They just want to play what they like and be left alone to do it.
I for one will be happy the day WoW is no longer concidered to be the center of discussion whenever the term MMO is brought up.
and now check the topic.
Alot will applaud.
I got a really crazy idea here, how about the two of you go back to the start of this thread and read every post all the way up to mine, in order, in full. And then come back here and explain your stupid comments. If you can't figure out how on topic I was then maybe a MRI of your head might be in order, or at least a reading comprehension class. One thing is certain though, I'm not going to waste my time explaining it to you if your too f'in stupid to figure it out on your own.
LOL hardly. Though there are some over eager mods locking threads just because WoW was mentioned, this subject is not a comparision.
Trion is clearly, and desperately trying to target WoW's player base. This is a fact. When they come up with cheesy and often silly one liners as part of their marketing campaign, of which, dont hint at WoW, they actually call it out, then no censorship should talk place to talk about the said advertisement.
Trion is pretty pathetic, they really are not off to a good start.
Again: the quote in topic is just that, a quote. Its from a games reviewer, not a cheesy/silly one liner.
I'm not really sure what you have against Trion, could it be you're a WoWer? If you think blizzard sets some kind of standard for behaviour I'd like to remind you that when WAR released (and WoW most likely lost hundreds of thousands of subs) blizz representatives were bashing WAR openly on game sites. So much for good behaviour.
They couldnt really know that most ppl would return to WoW following WARs failure. But now they do. And its been like that since. Subs drop, and then come back. And now blizzard more openly welcomes competition.
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Next we'll see how Rift stole so many features from WoW, features that were ofc not first seen in WoW at all but who cares about that amarite? WoW has really few original features.
This has to be the dumbest catchphrase I have ever heard for a mmo. This ain't Coke vs Pepsi here...more like Coke vs RC. And here I was thinking that hyperbolic marketing was something above Trion's station...I should have known they'd try to top the "We're not in Azeroth..." bit.
Not a catchphrase. It's what a reviewer said.
It's what a reviewer said..that Trion regurgitated and turned into a marketing tool. AKA a statement that turned into a catchphrase by all the fans,players and posters repeating it (that's what a catchphrase is btw) and then transformed into a slogan by Trion. Meh, whatever...it's still a dumb catchphrase.
Either way it stinks to high heaven that Trion would use these types of marketing ploys if they were so confident in what their product had to offer. So instead of broadening their range to all types of WoW players, they decided to narrow their focus in order to appeal to bitter ex-WoW players or people who cannot stand it? Like I said dumb...especially when your game offers the exact same gameplay mechanics with a fresh coat of paint.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Someday the WoW players will finally realize the truth, those that dont play WoW dont care anything about WoW. They dont want a comparison to WoW, they dont want to talk about WoW, they dont want to be told anything about WoW at all. They just want to play what they like and be left alone to do it.
I for one will be happy the day WoW is no longer concidered to be the center of discussion whenever the term MMO is brought up.
and now check the topic.
Alot will applaud.
I got a really crazy idea here, how about the two of you go back to the start of this thread and read every post all the way up to mine, in order, in full. And then come back here and explain your stupid comments. If you can't figure out how on topic I was then maybe a MRI of your head might be in order, or at least a reading comprehension class. One thing is certain though, I'm not going to waste my time explaining it to you if your too f'in stupid to figure it out on your own.
Very well, I'll explain his post to you, if you don't really get it. Someone gives a really positive review of Rift, and then he gets to the point where he says "blablabla... a finely crafted dagger, stabbed deep into the chest of WoW...". This is one of many (POSITIVE!) reviews where the reviewer COMPARES RIFT TO WOW.
And you say people don't care about WoW, they don't want comparisons of Rift to WoW. In one of the ads Trion states: "We're not in Azeroth anymore".
I've got one really, damn, frigging crazy idea here: how about YOU go back to the start of this thread and read every post made by a Rifter, and see how pleased they are to see comparisons.
This has to be the dumbest catchphrase I have ever heard for a mmo. This ain't Coke vs Pepsi here...more like Coke vs RC. And here I was thinking that hyperbolic marketing was something above Trion's station...I should have known they'd try to top the "We're not in Azeroth..." bit.
Not a catchphrase. It's what a reviewer said.
It's what a reviewer said..that Trion regurgitated and turned into a marketing tool. AKA a statement that turned into a catchphrase by all the fans,players and posters repeating it (that's what a catchphrase is btw) and then transformed into a slogan by Trion. Meh, whatever...it's still a dumb catchphrase.
Either way it stinks to high heaven that Trion would use these types of marketing ploys if they were so confident in what their product had to offer. So instead of broadening their range to all types of WoW players, they decided to narrow their focus in order to appeal to bitter ex-WoW players or people who cannot stand it? Like I said dumb...especially when your game offers the exact same gameplay mechanics with a fresh coat of paint.
All game developers use positive reviews in their marketing. An independent reviewer said this about rift. Catchphrases are made up by marketing teams...the "were not in azeroth stuff". Using this has served its purpose. Why wouldnt they use the quote that would garner the most attention?
No doubt about the fact wow is losing subs, but these kind of threads has to stop people.
I know Blizzards wow is the mmo to compare when you launch a game, but you cannot beat blizzard with just an mmo.
Time will tell, but Rift versus WoW ? come on --_--
I expect Rift will, for those who're tired of WoW and other MMO's (who wouldn't, after playing the same game for years?), be a nice bridge to when MMORPG's like GW2 and SWTOR will launch.
With 'just an mmo'? No, it won't be one MMO, it will be a Rift, GW2, SWTOR, TERA, TSW, ArcheAge and World of Darkness that will attract MMO gamers, andwhen your friends and guildies are moving en masse to one of those high quality AAA MMO's, then it'll be a tough decision to just stay behind in one of the older MMO's and hear their enthusiastic stories and fun gameplay experiences.
Exactly. Death by a thousand cuts, and out right boredom. But as it stands, the only threat to WoW is Blizzard and/or Ghostcrawler. ^^ I quite enjoy Rift. Its an enjoyable and well polished game. But its not the One True Game(tm). I'm also planning to try GW2, TOR and Firefall. But they will not be the One True Game(tm) either. But then they don't have to be, as I've stopped chasing that ever shifting illusion.
Is blizzard the only company that can make references and ppl recognize it like "ha-ha-funny"?
Surely not.
Its no big deal, do ppl really feel that close to WoW/blizz that they cant take a slight poke?
Weird.
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Sorry but I don't like it when any company does it, period. I didn't skip over WAR becauase of the agressive stance they took to challenge WoW. Just like I didn't play WoW because of the marketing techniques used to counter them. I have a theory about how gamers perceive their developers. It's like a parent-child relationship. If they see the developers bad-mouthing other devs and their games then 9 times out of 10, gamers are gonna think they have to be the same but often take it to the next level. WoW players are guilty of this and it's spread from mmo to mmo. Try bringing up WoW in any other mmo and you'll soon find out.
This is why I find it dumb to regurgitate silly crap like this by devs of new mmos. They unknowingly prepetuate the continue vileness of some mmo players and think it stops at the next potential customer running out to by their game soon after being exposed to these types of divisive messages. But in reality it's why their games stay stunted when it comes to growth. All you hear is:
"Go back to WoW!"
"This ain't WoW, noob!"
F--k you and WoW!"
"WoW sucks!"
Sooner or later someone has to lead by example. I just hope BW and ArenaNET doesn't stoop to this level...
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
This has to be the dumbest catchphrase I have ever heard for a mmo. This ain't Coke vs Pepsi here...more like Coke vs RC. And here I was thinking that hyperbolic marketing was something above Trion's station...I should have known they'd try to top the "We're not in Azeroth..." bit.
Not a catchphrase. It's what a reviewer said.
It's what a reviewer said..that Trion regurgitated and turned into a marketing tool. AKA a statement that turned into a catchphrase by all the fans,players and posters repeating it (that's what a catchphrase is btw) and then transformed into a slogan by Trion. Meh, whatever...it's still a dumb catchphrase.
Either way it stinks to high heaven that Trion would use these types of marketing ploys if they were so confident in what their product had to offer. So instead of broadening their range to all types of WoW players, they decided to narrow their focus in order to appeal to bitter ex-WoW players or people who cannot stand it? Like I said dumb...especially when your game offers the exact same gameplay mechanics with a fresh coat of paint.
Well in all fairness they held a poll as to what to use for their next advertisement slogan. It was between...
"... a finely crafted dagger, stabbed deep into the chest of WoW..."
This has to be the dumbest catchphrase I have ever heard for a mmo. This ain't Coke vs Pepsi here...more like Coke vs RC. And here I was thinking that hyperbolic marketing was something above Trion's station...I should have known they'd try to top the "We're not in Azeroth..." bit.
Not a catchphrase. It's what a reviewer said.
It's what a reviewer said..that Trion regurgitated and turned into a marketing tool. AKA a statement that turned into a catchphrase by all the fans,players and posters repeating it (that's what a catchphrase is btw) and then transformed into a slogan by Trion. Meh, whatever...it's still a dumb catchphrase.
Either way it stinks to high heaven that Trion would use these types of marketing ploys if they were so confident in what their product had to offer. So instead of broadening their range to all types of WoW players, they decided to narrow their focus in order to appeal to bitter ex-WoW players or people who cannot stand it? Like I said dumb...especially when your game offers the exact same gameplay mechanics with a fresh coat of paint.
Usually you get these type of responses when people like to irritate the community of a different game by going on the game or forums and calling it a "WoW Clone" or any other phrases people like to use to spark up a fight. When I see people write any game is a "WoW Clone", first thing I think of is, instigator because they know sparks will fly.
Usually you get these type of responses when people like to irritate the community of a different game by going on the game or forums and calling it a "WoW Clone" or any other phrases people like to use to spark up a fight. When I see people write any game is a "WoW Clone", first thing I think of is, instigator because they know sparks will fly.
The first thoughts that come to my mind are how they can be so lacking in originality and such a lemming.
Surprised the fad hasn't died off yet but then again why would it when it still stirs so much ire?
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
I don't think Rift has had that much of an impact and like others have already said, after the 'newness' wears off it will probably have even less impact. I got to try the Rift beta shortly before the game released. I know there are a lot of people that like it but it just didn't do anything for me. Sure the graphics are flashier and you have some more options far as character development, but the basic gameplay feels like I'm just playing WoW or Warhammer again. I already felt bored with it before I'd hardly got started.
So the general idea I seem to be getting is that: No, Rift isn't going to cause WoW to bleed off as many subs as the original quote hints. That will be GW2, Archeage, Tera, TOR, etc.
While I understood when I made this thread that it wasn't Trion making the initial claim, they made the claim "You're not in Azeroth anymore," which a lot of people, myself included, went and think "Yeah, you really are." Personally, I was fine with that at first. I played WoW for a few years for many reasons, so a new fresh look at it was welcome, however my final conclusion is that they just can't out-WoW the original. Yes, them embracing the reviewer's quote is an attempt to draw curiousity. It worked for my wife, which then worked for me. We're both back in WoW now.
In come GW2, Archeage, Tera, and TOR, who are trying to set themselves apart from WoW, not be a direct comparison in attempt to draw the curiousity of a particular playerbase.
Like I said before, one of the downsides to setting yourself up as a direct competitor is the sheer amount of comparison in all forms and fashions, including success.
So the general idea I seem to be getting is that: No, Rift isn't going to cause WoW to bleed off as many subs as the original quote hints. That will be GW2, Archeage, Tera, TOR, etc.
While I understood when I made this thread that it wasn't Trion making the initial claim, they made the claim "You're not in Azeroth anymore," which a lot of people, myself included, went and think "Yeah, you really are." Personally, I was fine with that at first. I played WoW for a few years for many reasons, so a new fresh look at it was welcome, however my final conclusion is that they just can't out-WoW the original. Yes, them embracing the reviewer's quote is an attempt to draw curiousity. It worked for my wife, which then worked for me. We're both back in WoW now.
In come GW2, Archeage, Tera, and TOR, who are trying to set themselves apart from WoW, not be a direct comparison in attempt to draw the curiousity of a particular playerbase.
Like I said before, one of the downsides to setting yourself up as a direct competitor is the sheer amount of comparison in all forms and fashions, including success.
Well, as has been stated, they didn't make that remark. It was some reviewer(in other words someones *opinion*...). They just ran with it for the effect. It has out raged the WoW kiddies, annoyed some of the others and amused the rest of us. ^^ Such is life <shrug>.
As for GW2, TOR, Tera, or what have you, they also will not be the One True Game(tm). No game will ever be able to live up to peoples projections, wild expectations and imaginations. It will ALWAYS be just over the horizon. I've stopped chasing that ever shifting illusion. All I'm looking for now is an enjoyable, well polished game. Rift fits that for me. I also plan to try GW2, TOR, Tera and Firefall. They look like they will be fun.
As for WoW, the only threat to that at this point is Blizzard and/or Ghostcraweler. ^^ Sure, it may eventually start to lose subscribers, but by that time Blizzard will likely have their next game ready. Like it or not, WoW and Blizzard are going to be around for years and years.
An amusing statement. Most of WoW is very much the same as its predessor MMO's. Granted WoW enjoys the greater success but its built on the Idea's of others and not original. It's a very good game tho and deserves its success.
As far as Rift go's I find it to be an enjoyable game to play. It reminds me more of DAoC then WoW. I am not rushing through it though taking my time.
If it did, we'd already know. The Trion would be releasing numbers of their massive subs like crazy to gain even more subs. Review sites would be releasing reviews of how they screwed up and would now be claiming that Rift is the second coming.
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Problem with the fantasy is that 70% of Rift players came from WoW. Which is great but you're delusional if you think you and I aren't playing with mostly people who have 85s in WoW
I didn't think rift was relevant anymore.
Not a catchphrase. It's what a reviewer said.
I got a really crazy idea here, how about the two of you go back to the start of this thread and read every post all the way up to mine, in order, in full. And then come back here and explain your stupid comments. If you can't figure out how on topic I was then maybe a MRI of your head might be in order, or at least a reading comprehension class. One thing is certain though, I'm not going to waste my time explaining it to you if your too f'in stupid to figure it out on your own.
It may not have been rift that did that review but they keep on doing these ads against wow which imo is not going to help them.
Again: the quote in topic is just that, a quote. Its from a games reviewer, not a cheesy/silly one liner.
I'm not really sure what you have against Trion, could it be you're a WoWer? If you think blizzard sets some kind of standard for behaviour I'd like to remind you that when WAR released (and WoW most likely lost hundreds of thousands of subs) blizz representatives were bashing WAR openly on game sites. So much for good behaviour.
They couldnt really know that most ppl would return to WoW following WARs failure. But now they do. And its been like that since. Subs drop, and then come back. And now blizzard more openly welcomes competition.
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Next we'll see how Rift stole so many features from WoW, features that were ofc not first seen in WoW at all but who cares about that amarite? WoW has really few original features.
It's what a reviewer said..that Trion regurgitated and turned into a marketing tool. AKA a statement that turned into a catchphrase by all the fans,players and posters repeating it (that's what a catchphrase is btw) and then transformed into a slogan by Trion. Meh, whatever...it's still a dumb catchphrase.
Either way it stinks to high heaven that Trion would use these types of marketing ploys if they were so confident in what their product had to offer. So instead of broadening their range to all types of WoW players, they decided to narrow their focus in order to appeal to bitter ex-WoW players or people who cannot stand it? Like I said dumb...especially when your game offers the exact same gameplay mechanics with a fresh coat of paint.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Very well, I'll explain his post to you, if you don't really get it. Someone gives a really positive review of Rift, and then he gets to the point where he says "blablabla... a finely crafted dagger, stabbed deep into the chest of WoW...". This is one of many (POSITIVE!) reviews where the reviewer COMPARES RIFT TO WOW.
And you say people don't care about WoW, they don't want comparisons of Rift to WoW. In one of the ads Trion states: "We're not in Azeroth anymore".
I've got one really, damn, frigging crazy idea here: how about YOU go back to the start of this thread and read every post made by a Rifter, and see how pleased they are to see comparisons.
Your turn.
Isnt the first ad some kind of reference to Oz.
Is blizzard the only company that can make references and ppl recognize it like "ha-ha-funny"?
Surely not.
Its no big deal, do ppl really feel that close to WoW/blizz that they cant take a slight poke?
Weird.
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Not a catchphrase. It's what a reviewer said.
It's what a reviewer said..that Trion regurgitated and turned into a marketing tool. AKA a statement that turned into a catchphrase by all the fans,players and posters repeating it (that's what a catchphrase is btw) and then transformed into a slogan by Trion. Meh, whatever...it's still a dumb catchphrase.
Either way it stinks to high heaven that Trion would use these types of marketing ploys if they were so confident in what their product had to offer. So instead of broadening their range to all types of WoW players, they decided to narrow their focus in order to appeal to bitter ex-WoW players or people who cannot stand it? Like I said dumb...especially when your game offers the exact same gameplay mechanics with a fresh coat of paint.
All game developers use positive reviews in their marketing. An independent reviewer said this about rift. Catchphrases are made up by marketing teams...the "were not in azeroth stuff". Using this has served its purpose. Why wouldnt they use the quote that would garner the most attention?Successful marketing is successful.
Exactly. Death by a thousand cuts, and out right boredom. But as it stands, the only threat to WoW is Blizzard and/or Ghostcrawler. ^^ I quite enjoy Rift. Its an enjoyable and well polished game. But its not the One True Game(tm). I'm also planning to try GW2, TOR and Firefall. But they will not be the One True Game(tm) either. But then they don't have to be, as I've stopped chasing that ever shifting illusion.
It is for me because it's pretty much WOW 2.0 - not that that's a bad thing at all.
The blantant denial regarding how much better this game is by many WOW players is what will keep them playing a very dated game for years to come.
If you continue to play an aged game out of habit when a game which is a clear improvement is available, that's your problem.
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Sorry but I don't like it when any company does it, period. I didn't skip over WAR becauase of the agressive stance they took to challenge WoW. Just like I didn't play WoW because of the marketing techniques used to counter them. I have a theory about how gamers perceive their developers. It's like a parent-child relationship. If they see the developers bad-mouthing other devs and their games then 9 times out of 10, gamers are gonna think they have to be the same but often take it to the next level. WoW players are guilty of this and it's spread from mmo to mmo. Try bringing up WoW in any other mmo and you'll soon find out.
This is why I find it dumb to regurgitate silly crap like this by devs of new mmos. They unknowingly prepetuate the continue vileness of some mmo players and think it stops at the next potential customer running out to by their game soon after being exposed to these types of divisive messages. But in reality it's why their games stay stunted when it comes to growth. All you hear is:
"Go back to WoW!"
"This ain't WoW, noob!"
F--k you and WoW!"
"WoW sucks!"
Sooner or later someone has to lead by example. I just hope BW and ArenaNET doesn't stoop to this level...
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Well in all fairness they held a poll as to what to use for their next advertisement slogan. It was between...
"... a finely crafted dagger, stabbed deep into the chest of WoW..."
or
"Same old shit, different skin."
Agreed, as much as i'm not a fan of both games, i would really like to give RIFT another try aside from the terrible Beta.
I lovee you Siggy.
Usually you get these type of responses when people like to irritate the community of a different game by going on the game or forums and calling it a "WoW Clone" or any other phrases people like to use to spark up a fight. When I see people write any game is a "WoW Clone", first thing I think of is, instigator because they know sparks will fly.
The first thoughts that come to my mind are how they can be so lacking in originality and such a lemming.
Surprised the fad hasn't died off yet but then again why would it when it still stirs so much ire?
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Stopped playing WoW, not interested in Rift, just here for the new episode of "WoW vs".
1000 internets for you my good sir!
When did you start playing "old school" MMO's. World Of Warcraft?
I don't think Rift has had that much of an impact and like others have already said, after the 'newness' wears off it will probably have even less impact. I got to try the Rift beta shortly before the game released. I know there are a lot of people that like it but it just didn't do anything for me. Sure the graphics are flashier and you have some more options far as character development, but the basic gameplay feels like I'm just playing WoW or Warhammer again. I already felt bored with it before I'd hardly got started.
So the general idea I seem to be getting is that: No, Rift isn't going to cause WoW to bleed off as many subs as the original quote hints. That will be GW2, Archeage, Tera, TOR, etc.
While I understood when I made this thread that it wasn't Trion making the initial claim, they made the claim "You're not in Azeroth anymore," which a lot of people, myself included, went and think "Yeah, you really are." Personally, I was fine with that at first. I played WoW for a few years for many reasons, so a new fresh look at it was welcome, however my final conclusion is that they just can't out-WoW the original. Yes, them embracing the reviewer's quote is an attempt to draw curiousity. It worked for my wife, which then worked for me. We're both back in WoW now.
In come GW2, Archeage, Tera, and TOR, who are trying to set themselves apart from WoW, not be a direct comparison in attempt to draw the curiousity of a particular playerbase.
Like I said before, one of the downsides to setting yourself up as a direct competitor is the sheer amount of comparison in all forms and fashions, including success.
.. But in a good way.
Well, as has been stated, they didn't make that remark. It was some reviewer(in other words someones *opinion*...). They just ran with it for the effect. It has out raged the WoW kiddies, annoyed some of the others and amused the rest of us. ^^ Such is life <shrug>.
As for GW2, TOR, Tera, or what have you, they also will not be the One True Game(tm). No game will ever be able to live up to peoples projections, wild expectations and imaginations. It will ALWAYS be just over the horizon. I've stopped chasing that ever shifting illusion. All I'm looking for now is an enjoyable, well polished game. Rift fits that for me. I also plan to try GW2, TOR, Tera and Firefall. They look like they will be fun.
As for WoW, the only threat to that at this point is Blizzard and/or Ghostcraweler. ^^ Sure, it may eventually start to lose subscribers, but by that time Blizzard will likely have their next game ready. Like it or not, WoW and Blizzard are going to be around for years and years.
"just can't out-WoW the original"
An amusing statement. Most of WoW is very much the same as its predessor MMO's. Granted WoW enjoys the greater success but its built on the Idea's of others and not original. It's a very good game tho and deserves its success.
As far as Rift go's I find it to be an enjoyable game to play. It reminds me more of DAoC then WoW. I am not rushing through it though taking my time.
If it did, we'd already know. The Trion would be releasing numbers of their massive subs like crazy to gain even more subs. Review sites would be releasing reviews of how they screwed up and would now be claiming that Rift is the second coming.
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