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FranBuniFF12
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I think alot of people need to read this.
When you read this, Read this like a Movie Bob "The Big Picture" video except with a female voice, because this is my big picture to you the "Gamer".
I love video games. I have been playing video games since my dad brought home a Windows 95 PC and a disc full of DOS games.
I really loved my Game Boy Color and Pokémon Red. I remember my long lost Original Game Boy with some strange Final Fantasy Game Boy game, and Solar Striker.
Video games are my passion and art form to love.
Nothing to me is more fascinating or amazing than Video games and the machines that run them
I have been a PC builder since...God I don't know I say 8 almost 9 years but I know it’s been longer than that.
I have built enough computers to fill multiple computer labs. Everything from 133 MHz turbo'd Pentium! To Core 2 Quads Over clocked to 3.8 GHz.
After a while I got tired of building and got me a few Alienware computers.
I've been a gamer for longer than I can remember, but these days it’s turned from pride, to shame.
Yes shame, I am for one nearly, utterly and almost entirely ashamed to call myself a gamer and let people know that I am a person who loves to waste her time playing video games and watching computer videos.
Why? Why would one who has hung around games for so long now be so ashamed to call herself a gamer, when only a short while ago would have worn the title "Gamer" like a badge of Honor?
Two words: The people.
The population that surrounds video games has me ashamed to be associated with them in society’s eyes.
I have never in my entire life encountered a group of people that have been so utterly rude, abusive, ignorant, and outright juvenile beyond all recognition. Yes the people that call themselves gamers fit this description so well, and it’s not unjust either.
I have never seen such a lack of attention to detail, such a saturation of biased opinions, emotionless attacks, and incredibly false passed judgments with no grounds for reason.
It is personally against my moral fiber, to ever judge something before I tried, yet I see it with at an alarming frequency.
I believe video games are a good thing, and can be an incredible and wonderful experience.
It's a way to tell and share stories and make your own memories, unlike any other medium.
But being around the people that obsess about them... It’s become a whirlwind of disappointment seeing how incredibly ignorant and abusive a group I used to adore, turn on each other like savage primitive beasts.
C’mon, you love games! I can't believe you guys act like this to each other.
If anything we should be banding together hanging out like best friends poking fun at all the sports players that have boring lame and worthless lives now that high school is over, and their glory days are over.
But unfortunately, this has never happened.
The gaming community is terrible. It’s riddled with such a large amount of ignorance, biases, and abusive behaviors that we only have ourselves to blame for.
Extra Credits said it best in "Gamer"
"Talking about skullf***** someone’s mom because he happens to prefer the PS3 over the 360 Does not paint us in the best light as a group."
[url]http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/2005-Gamer[/url]
Look back Gamers, What happened? When did we become so bitter, abusive, and rude and harbor so much hatred for one another?
Since when did it become ok to tell someone they are a "****tard" for buying and loving their Alienware or Mac? When did someone become a "shitbag" for loving AMD over Nvidia?
When did it become OK to judge something by watching 5seconds of game play and then automatically passing it off as stupid and then walking around with an ignorant opinion like you have played and beat the game?
Since when did it become OK to judge something and ignore details before you ever played the game?
I know what you're thinking, and you need to stop take a step back and be honest with yourself.
The "Oh I've never done that this girl doesn’t know what the hell she's are talking about" mentality is only pushing you farther down that hole we've dug for ourselves.
Think about it guys, we grew up together for god sakes! excuse me when I say this but you need to hear it, you’re ****in up, and bad, and we’re only going to stay bitter for as long as we keep disrespecting each other like we don't have any feelings at all.
No means to steal a line from MovieBob, But
Im Fran, This is my heart and spirit coming to you, and that's the Big Picture.
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Well, imo most gamers interact with each other through the use of Internet, conventions etc not withstanding (very basically speaking) which creates an ''iron curtain of anonymity'', meaning that you can dish out almost as much hatered online as you can, and there can be practically/virtually no consequences whatsoever.
Sure, your MMO / forum account might get banned, but it is usually not enough to deter people, unfortunately. try being an a$$ like that to everyone you meet in real life and you might be able to imagine the consequances.
I beleive the online enviroment provides us gamers a sense of ''immunity'' and protection, we can all say what we want and troll all we want, and no one will be the wiser, coz non of the people that i am soo pissing off on the other side of the screen can punch me across the cyber-space.
Well, that was just my two cents anyways, at least regarding the general manners of a gamer, and why sometimes one might be not-so-proud to call him/her self one.. (among many other conceivable reasons:p)
PS Oh, and congratulations on popping the cherry with your first post! (well unless its your second etc account) and welcome to the forums:)
Welcome to the MMO community.
Well Fran, I couldn't agree with you more, it's quite sad how the community of Gamers act towards one another with the constant flaming about this and that. I am a Gamer have been for a very very long time but see exactly what you are pointing out every time I log into a game...It's quite sad the immaturity level of the players that we see day in day out and not only from the younger crowd out there hell no...I see it from people that are my age (30+) and that people is screwed up lol. But I guess that's why when I play I don't talk in trade or general chats that way no assanine remark flies back my way and why I hardly ever read many posts or post much myself on this site. Unfortunately it will always be this way and I am quite sure the flames are already getting ready to type away and bash either you or I about our feelings toward the gaming community and that's fine but you feel what you feel as well as I do and that's all that matters, Hopefully and I am sure there are, but hopefully we see many others out there that feel exactly the same way as we do. It will never stop me from being a gamer or playing the chosen Game that I have come to love etc etc but my feelings will never change on the matter either. Takes a lot for someone such as yourself to post here your feelings on this matter fully knowing that some idiot here will flame you or I any second but I respect the fact that you started this thread.
I agree with you, i've given up trying to explain rational to people who dont seem to want it. As so many said before on this forum, they'd rather forum PvP then listen to anything relevant.
Ill stop in a Rift forum and see all the stupid i can handle for one day, i cant even bring myself to argue facts with the fictional garbage spewed. It seems any more that "Gamers" are bread to hate. Remembering my DAoC and AC days when you knew who the good PvPers were by name, respect was sent on the forums to both sides. Then of course you knew who the asshats were and they were ignored, left to wallow in their own filth because they just couldnt understand what it means to be respectful.
So i hope a few people read this and take some of it, if not all, to heart. but i live in reality and there will someone soon here to argue some point they think they need to make, because they are right and everyone else is wrong. all the while there isnt a point to be made, and the fact that the OP is actually a wake up call.
So FranBuniFF12, I hope someone out there does get a clue that respect is earned not given freely. GL trying to reach the ones that need reaching.
nobody cares if a person is right. nobody is wanting to pat some random persons back for having the right idea about something. people only care if someone is wrong, or offensive, or both. Take a look at these forums (or any forums for that matter) there are alot of people that might say something great, and a lot of people might agree, but only a couple would actually say so. But if someone says something wrong, or trolls a thread, the response is huge, with page after page of people talking about what he said. If a person is looking to feel like they are a part of something, then the troll is much more effective at proving that, then the single response for being positive. So don't blame gamers, blame the internet, blame society, blame everybody, but don't try and shove it down gamers throats like we are the only ones that are wrong.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
I don't hate much, but I hate Apple© with a passion. If Steve Jobs was alive, I would punch him in the face.
Back in the day, when online games were a niche and took a great deal more dedication to succeed, people were more concerned with their avatars reputation and renown. In todays world where you can be level capped and playing with the cool kids in a week or worse yet racechange/factionchange as fast as you can dig out your credit card, peoples online reputation is meaningless. Combine this with the proliferation of online gaming in all its forms and you create a 'perfect storm' of asshattery, douchebaggery, and outright cruelty from the wet brained mouthbreathers of the world. Sad state of affairs really.
Warhammer fanatic since '85.
It's called living in the 21st century, the age of being disappointed with the way things are because, frankly, they should be much more advanced by now. You'll find groups of people with the same mentality no matter what society you look into.
Say, for instance, that you wake up one day and just think 'screw it, I am going to give up gaming and switch to clubbing.' Regardless of how much you might or might not enjoy being surrounded by greasy, superficial, aids-toting, bad music listening techno types, there will inevitably be a division between people who legitimately enjoy that lifestyle, and people who relentlessly criticize it, yet keep on coming back. That is just the way of the world these days.
I fully agree with you Fran. As I see it our only choice is to not accept such actions our fellows in game. Set rules and enforce them within your guild. Report them if they come close to breaching the EULA.
I wish there was more that could be done about these creatures, but we also have to respect thier right to be jacka$$es and allow them to show thier true selves to the world. And hope the world dis-avows all knowledge of thier existance.
In short, I think only peer-presure from thier own friends will, in the end, correct the situation.
Yea, that is what happened as the general population got introduced to the internet upi see that 95% of the stupid people population. The nerd/gamer is being forced into the jock/casual/general guy/gal group. I have watched this trend hit home for more and more people over the years. It is unfortunate for some as it has alienated them in thier own world. I am that more rare crossbreed of groups that see's things from many sides and interacts with many groups, but it is hard, almost like highschool for a comparison, you are forcing specialized groups to interact, and you will find that the genreal population while although the most prevelant is not the most welcoming.
I have been "online" for quite some time, but as more and more of the stupid is introduced it is more and more unfriendly as you will find most of the world to be unfortunatly. It is not just the iron curtain of "the internet", it is life in this day and age and it is sad. Look to a popular news website and see the kind of stories that feed the general population, it is pretty disgusting actually. Your best bet is to find a group of like minded individuals and ignore the trolls/idiots of the internet as you will find that is most people.
These people that the OP is talking about aren't gamers. They're "casuals". People who've came into gaming since it's became mainstream.
I'm a bit insulted, really.
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Um, the vast majority of gamers, I'd say 70% probably, don't read or research games. They buy CoD or WoW and are happy. They don't know alternatives. They don't care about alternatives, they largely don't devote their time and effort the way people on a forum do.
You're preaching to the choir buddy. Sorry to say your post is a waste but it's just a complete waste.
i'm a casual gamer, now. i have a full time job, kids, and life to keep me from being "hardcore." the people that the OP are talking about arent "casual" or "hardcore" they are people who think it's ok to be rude just for the sake of being rude and getting away with it.
If you're insulted, i have to wonder what you have done to feel that way, or why you would feel that way.
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I grew up without the internet (well at least until my teen years) so my social skills were deveoped off-line. I never saw people being rude to each other for no good reason or being abusive, etc. I think maybe because of this I've always held the belief that you should treat others with respect and kindness unless they do something to lose that trust.
When I did start using the internet, chat, gaming, etc. I carried this believe over to the online world as well. Unless it's someone I know really well I don't trash talk or be rude and always try to be selfless in team based games. Not everyone is like this though, there are some people that are just assholes and this is amplified 100x when they have the internet to hide behind.
There are millions of gamers. Personally I interact with maybe 200 different players each week, out of those 200, 10 or 20 might fall into the description of the original post.
What's my point? It's all about perception. You could have play an MMO for weeks directly and indirectly interacting with hundreds of players without any of them acting like an asshat, but then you have 1 incident and you somehow forget about the rest of the nice, helpful, non-rude players that you had dealings with for the last few weeks.
That's just how our minds work.
Another example would be general chat in an MMO. There could be 500-2000 people in the general chat channel at any given moment, and how many of those people when you log in our acting like immature jerkoffs? 5? 10? Hardly a majority.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
I agree, and I blame WoW for the way things have become. Since Wow is when I started noticing these types of players more and more. I mean think about it. How many games before WoW had these bad groups of players that's mostly common now days? Sure we had the jerks back then, but not close to whole communities post WoW.
Dude, calm down. He's joking.
It's not just gamers. Listen to Louis CK.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
You can't calm some one down who is all ready calm to begin with. IF it's a joke, it's a pretty poor one, and it's a misunderstanding on my part, so I'm sorry if i've offended you by not understanding you.
Amen! ROFL!!
"How quickly the world owes him something that he only knew existed ten seconds? ago!"
In regards to the OP, this isn't an affliction that can be narrowed down to "gamers."
You meet gamers in real life, and a lot of the time you find a bunch of nice, decent and intelligent people. Sure some of them are asshats, but certainly not a larger percentage of any other demographic of humanity.
The problem here isn't "gamers." This affliction can be found anywhere on the internet. Look at any comments section on any article on CNN. Anywhere people can do and say whatever they want behind the cloak of anonyminity, you will see this effect in full.
While I agree with your sentiments, this really isn't a "gamers" problem. This is a problem that plagues humanity in every demographic on the internet. Just like a child entering a new stage of development, things have to get worked through. Issues must be had, faced and dealt with. We, as a species, are in the infancy of the "information age."
We're just crawling all over one another, trying to learn how to walk. Yes, sometimes that means people eat and elbow or a knee. But this is all new territory in the grand scheme of things, and we're still figuring out how it all SHOULD work.
Yes, the affliction exists in the gaming community. But I wholeheartedly disagree that this issue is about "gamers." Its about how human beings act in general, in a completely new and undefined ruleset.
I really hope that *insert game name here* will be the first game to ever live up to all of its pre-release promises, maintain a manageable hype level and have a clean release. Just don't expect me to hold my breath.
Most of them from kid to adult who acts like this are anonymous(as it should be, but no reason to behave like a moron for example) in there little stinky rooms acting like douchbags jerks assholes, this is something not new 10 years ago i saw also idiots ingame.
As long your not do same as they do as long you act with reason politeness be social and argue in a normal way as we all should then there is np.
Millions these days surf internet and some act normal some act like idiots as in normal real life thats how world is you have to live with this im affraid.
Ashamed for someone who behave like a idiot, moron or douchbag no not realy im not resopnsible for his or her behavior, there parents school education is not me.
Just try find people who are like you, nice and friendly or play solo games problem solved:)
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
Unfortunately, I don't give the name "Gamer" to "most gamers."
The crowd you are talking about are the people who play one game for a very long time while skipping out on many titles and locking themselves in one medium. You too also have done the same thing. Talking about computer games and console games...
I am a gamer who plays in tournament leagues and divisions when the time comes. However I love all sorts of games...
~Computer Games in many Genres
~Console Games in many Genres
~Board Games
~Collectible Card Games (MTG and Pokemon)
~Sports and Sports Entertainment (yeah, they are games too, hard to believe right?)
~Naughty Games (Truth or dare anyone?)
~Non-Collectible Cards Games (Hearts, Rummy, Poker)
I mean there are MANY games out there......and I despise those who call themselves gamer because they play a SINGLE game for five years and refuse to play other games. It makes no real sense to me.
Before you come here and start ranting about gamers, perhaps you should define what a gamer is and wonder if its the gamers who argue or those who feel insecure about leaving the games they know best out of fear they will lose or get their ass kicked. I firmly believe the attitude exists in many MMOs because MMOs give the ability for an "earned" advantage against players. These players do not want to admit or realize that wins are actually unfair so it becomes a giant prick-waving contest on who has the larger prick...
In the end of the day, the true gamer is the one who can go from game to game, play well and have fun while the true champion is the one who can enter a championship with a title and come out retaining the title, and even survive cross platform.
The true and real champion also knows that retaining the title forever is an impossibility. Eventually one loses. What counts is how you handle yourself while in the hotseat and how you can defend the title once aquired. There is a humility involved in knowing you may well lose to your best friend or a friend who you mostly hang out with...there is humility involved in knowing a student of yours beats you for a title and then a smile knowing that he or she can defend the title well enough to be in good hands.
Gamers need to really open themselves up to many games out there and genres to really be considered to be gamers while those who boast about being good should join the leagues and test themselves. Of course those are choices. I know many who play single titles for five years and while I dont call them pure gamers, I respect them the same. That in itself takes some devotion to achieve.
sounds mainstream.
While I do agree that a certain extent of it is because we are gamers, I think the bigger picture is
The Interwebs.
There are some people who are jerks in person, I agree. But people can say they will "skull****" your mom on the internet without a worry. They can say things they wouldn't dream of doing. They can act hard and tough, but have trouble running a mile or lifting a box.
But I think that it's just how the world is now a days. I said it a few times. People are less about each other and working together and fellowship, and more about the money and themselves. I'm not saying being rich is a bad thing, nor is having money. That's good. But just how people go about doing it. There are nice people out there, for sure. But it just feels as if there are less and less.
Blah, I could go on, but meh.
This is a human issue, not a gaming issue. As someone pointed out the anonyimity of the "interwebz" (including online gaming) lets people satisfy whatever urges they want because there are no consequences.
It is the human condition, uploaded to the internet anonymously. Please don't confuse it as a problem with "gamers."
OP nice thought but lets face it most gamers are arrogant fools who think that there particular toon poop don't stink. Most gamers feel that they are mini gods. Most gamers would rather play a OP toon then help anyone that is not or even remotely close to there lvl this is how ppl play there toons now. Sad but true. I say if you don't like it don't play. unfortunately it is not going to effect the game by one person leaving but if a bunch of ppl left for another game and thankfully this seems to be the trend for a certain number one MMO that I hope one days falls to number two. Anywho buy a console or play solo games idk dude not sure what to say bout this.
Have a nice day