Originally posted by afhn2110 Eh...he's just defending a game because he wants it to succeed to bad, I actually respect that. It sucks when you really like a game and no one likes it.
Truth to be told, the general idea of Earthrise is what kept me following and discussing about the game for three years.
The big problem is, that Masthead didn't listen to the early adopters during development or during the beta-tests. They simply didn't manage to get the game-mechanics right, which is rather disappointing, as there's not too much MMOs around that are going into the direction of EvE Online, Neocron or vanilla SWG.
Alot of people thought that Earthrise will be a good mix of those three mentioned above, but the result is just a massive grind and deathmatch instead.
It's blatantly obvious, that Masthead can't turn this game into a gem so alot of players simply stopped following/playing instead of wasting time waiting for a miracle.
Root + Harbinger = instadeath. So how is PvP fixed exactly? There's still one-shot-kills and people are quitting because they can't afford insurances anymore after they've died while trying to gather materials etc.
PR attacks are aimed, RL attacks were not. Plus PR attacks don't automatically stun and drain you. You only die in a few hits if you get tagged with the immobilize (Intercept); it's very easy to not get hit by it. I roll AR and dominate PR users consistently. Just ask our old buddy Jira who without OP RLs and unstuck/ALT+F4 exploits is now completely helpless in PvP.
Rest of your post is just speculation.
I still stand by the purpose of this thread: to let people know the weapons are relatively balanced, rocket launchers were nerfed, PvP exploits are gone, servers are stable, and lag is decent.
TBH, you seemed to have quit just before the game actually started getting better. I have more fun now in ER then I did at launch despite the fact my guild went from 50 people to the 10 it has now.
And yes, I don't like the huge statistical disparity betwen the tiers. I crusaded heavily against this with Kole on the beta boards and we were told to STFU because MMOs require "progression" and ER had to be this way. The community was deadset against what we were advocating so don't act like we didn't try. If you were on the beta boards I know damn well you read my posts about how retarded the gear tiers were but no one at the time wanted to hear what Kole and I were saying.
And LOL @ people qutting over not having enough money for insurance. I've never had more than 10k cc on me at any given time and I don't complain; it's easy not to die if you use your head. PvP gankers don't roll in packs. Two players at most. Grind in a group, post some security at an observation post, and soon you'll be ganking the gankers. We do it all of the time in the 47th.
Eh...he's just defending a game because he wants it to succeed to bad, I actually respect that. It sucks when you really like a game and no one likes it.
Your statement is as worthy as someone saying that everyone likes Earthrise. The second sentence is an oxymoron - there is someone who likes the game and then you say that noone likes it.
Anyway, we are going offtopic.
Cavadus is right, Earthrise is getting better and noone can deny that.
Thanks Cav, I think I will come back on tonight to see the changes. The only thing that really got me frustrated to the point of walking away from the game was the PvP exploits. I was patient through everything else gone wrong at release, and I am excited that improvements are being made. I loved the game when I played, I hope its as enjoyable now (minus the exploits).
Hey Cavadus, you've really written some nice honest stuff here, and even making it a point to not make excuses about their terrible launch flaws.
I'm gonna check this game out again. . .dont know if I'm ready to buy, but your feedback seemed honest enough for me to take a peek.
Without looking, my 2 concerns would have to do with whether there is an active enough player-base to make the game enjoyable, and whether there is any purpose or meaning to pvp such as resource or territorial control for some reason.
They still haven't addressed the GPU or Network performance issues. They are behind on their roadmap. They are getting worse and worse at communication. They often break things and cause new issues when patching old ones. Exploits went rampant in the beginning. Playerbase is almost nothing, they have a total of 3k accounts if you consider forum accounts the same as user accounts (every one made auto generates the forum account). Out of the 3k users, you are lucky to see 50 online at one time. They have some of the worst customer service and support I have ever seen. They closed one of my tickets out with absolutely no response after making me wait 20 days. I could go on and on, really.
To be honest, MHS is the worst MMO company I have seen to date and I have played at least 20 MMOs. And yes I played through beta on many of them and they had so much more to offer than Earthrise. Even the completely boring copy paste WoW clone F2P games run better than this. It might have cool concepts and "potential" but honestly I'm sick of hoping for a game to become good because of its potential.
^This. I bought ER a few months ago and tried it...it was terrible. I would log in periodically to see how the game fared. It was still terrible. Logged in today to see if the patch improved things....still a joke. LAG, No direction, Poor mechanics, toxic community for the most part.
I'm done. Uninstalling that total piece of garbage. And I will be letting my buddies that were interested in it know to NOT bother wasting thier hard earned cash. This is simply put crimminal theft of player money.
Toxic community? ER's community is the only one I've ever enjoyed besides PreCU's.
ER has a fantastic community full of people willing to help anyone who asks for it. Just last night I was helping some new players group grind BP so they could get their skills up.
^This. I bought ER a few months ago and tried it...it was terrible. I would log in periodically to see how the game fared. It was still terrible. Logged in today to see if the patch improved things....still a joke. LAG, No direction, Poor mechanics, toxic community for the most part.
I'm done. Uninstalling that total piece of garbage. And I will be letting my buddies that were interested in it know to NOT bother wasting thier hard earned cash. This is simply put crimminal theft of player money.
Toxic community? ER's community is the only one I've ever enjoyed besides PreCU's.
ER has a fantastic community full of people willing to help anyone who asks for it. Just last night I was helping some new players group grind BP so they could get their skills up.
ER's community is one of the best around.
That's your opinion. It has not been my experience, but thats a moot point. The game is garbage.
^This. I bought ER a few months ago and tried it...it was terrible. I would log in periodically to see how the game fared. It was still terrible. Logged in today to see if the patch improved things....still a joke. LAG, No direction, Poor mechanics, toxic community for the most part.
I'm done. Uninstalling that total piece of garbage. And I will be letting my buddies that were interested in it know to NOT bother wasting thier hard earned cash. This is simply put crimminal theft of player money.
Current Games: WOW, RIFT
Lol
Yeah, WOW and RIFT. Because there are so many GARBAGE games like ER what other choice is there? Keep talking shit, TR closed and so will ER. The TR community was obtuse as well and they helped in the ruination of that game. ER will share the same fate.
^This. I bought ER a few months ago and tried it...it was terrible. I would log in periodically to see how the game fared. It was still terrible. Logged in today to see if the patch improved things....still a joke. LAG, No direction, Poor mechanics, toxic community for the most part.
I'm done. Uninstalling that total piece of garbage. And I will be letting my buddies that were interested in it know to NOT bother wasting thier hard earned cash. This is simply put crimminal theft of player money.
Current Games: WOW, RIFT
Lol
Yeah, WOW and RIFT. Because there are so many GARBAGE games like ER what other choice is there? Keep talking shit, TR closed and so will ER. The TR community was obtuse as well and they helped in the ruination of that game. ER will share the same fate.
Actually Cavadus is right; the ER community is very helpful to new players, sorry that wasn't your experience. Judging from your criticisms of the game though, you actually sound destined for games like WoW/Rift. So I wish you loads of fun grinding scenarios and instances until your face turns blue in WoW/RIft/whatever other rinse/repeat game you enjoy, and g'luck to you cap'n.
^This. I bought ER a few months ago and tried it...it was terrible. I would log in periodically to see how the game fared. It was still terrible. Logged in today to see if the patch improved things....still a joke. LAG, No direction, Poor mechanics, toxic community for the most part.
I'm done. Uninstalling that total piece of garbage. And I will be letting my buddies that were interested in it know to NOT bother wasting thier hard earned cash. This is simply put crimminal theft of player money.
Current Games: WOW, RIFT
Lol
I can see what you mean by toxic community alright :P
I can see what you mean by toxic community alright :P
camelguy is the only poster in this thread who has been condescending and offensive, sorry. Perhaps the problem wasn't with the community but with himself.
And Adun brought up a good point, someone who enjoys playing games like WOW or Rift probably wouldn't like Earthrise even if it was an absolutely perfect sandbox experience.
I can see what you mean by toxic community alright :P
camelguy is the only poster in this thread who has been condescending and offensive, sorry. Perhaps the problem wasn't with the community but with himself.
And Adun brought up a good point, someone who enjoys playing games like WOW or Rift probably wouldn't like Earthrise even if it was an absolutely perfect sandbox experience.
1) Camelguy wasn't offensive.
2) Adun replied to Broomy.
3) Broomy's post was well written and anything but offensive or condescending.
4) Replying to a well written articulate post with "*Point* HAHAH WoW LOL" pretty much invalidates any argument you tried to make ... if you consider Adun's responce an attempt to make any argument.
P.S. How does it feel being one of the very few or perhaps the only ER player who bothered to fill his payment information and got charged by Masthead? (that's me being condescending btw)
3) Broomy's post was well written and anything but offensive or condescending.
4) Replying to a well written articulate post with "*Point* HAHAH WoW LOL" pretty much invalidates any argument you tried to make ... if you consider Adun's responce an attempt to make any argument.
P.S. How does it feel being one of the very few or perhaps the only ER player who bothered to fill his payment information and got charged by Masthead? (that's me being condescending btw)
1. Yes, he was.
2. Who cares?
3. I said camelguy's post was condescending and offensive. Did I mention "Broomy" once in my post? L2R, please.
4. It's a valid criticism.
5. I feel fine about it TBH. They were supposed to start charging April 14th and I subbed in preparation for that. I had fully expected to be paying well over two weeks ago.
But the whole point of this thread is that the game is still shit, no ?
Still alot of lag from what people say, and you cannot have lag in a third person shooter , kills your gaming experience.
Did you read my OP?
No, the lag and server instability from launch are gone. That's why I said exactly that in the OP.
I read some of it until it turned into a flame fest then i stopped reading and asked my question.
So there is no combat lag what so ever anymore ? , because i remember from closed beta / retail launch that you would have something like 1-2 seconds from when you hit your mouse button till you heard the shot, it was unbearable
3) Broomy's post was well written and anything but offensive or condescending.
4) Replying to a well written articulate post with "*Point* HAHAH WoW LOL" pretty much invalidates any argument you tried to make ... if you consider Adun's responce an attempt to make any argument.
P.S. How does it feel being one of the very few or perhaps the only ER player who bothered to fill his payment information and got charged by Masthead? (that's me being condescending btw)
1. Yes, he was. Uber counter argument, care to quote which parts of his post were offensive and to whom?
2. Who cares? Another quality responce, in line with Adun's HAHA WOW LOL consistent with ER average community member i guess... and i though incognito was the only guild full of idiots.
3. I said camelguy's post was condescending and offensive. Did I mention "Broomy" once in my post? L2R, please. Adun replied to Broomy which he quoted, i replied to Adun, you replied to me. In your post you said "Perhaps the problem wasn't with the community but with himself." The only person who talked about community was Broomy, unless you can magically find where Camelguy was talking about the community in his post.
I guess it's too hard to understand how quoting works on a forum. P.S. That lesson on how to read was free.
4. It's a valid criticism. I guess if you are Nelson from the Simpsons it is.
5. I feel fine about it TBH. They were supposed to start charging April 14th and I subbed in preparation for that. I had fully expected to be paying well over two weeks ago.
But the whole point of this thread is that the game is still shit, no ?
Still alot of lag from what people say, and you cannot have lag in a third person shooter , kills your gaming experience.
Did you read my OP?
No, the lag and server instability from launch are gone. That's why I said exactly that in the OP.
I read some of it until it turned into a flame fest then i stopped reading and asked my question.
So there is no combat lag what so ever anymore ? , because i remember from closed beta / retail launch that you would have something like 1-2 seconds from when you hit your mouse button till you heard the shot, it was unbearable
The lag is gone because there are 50 people max playing at any given time. Go ahead and ask him how the lag is if you ever get into a 4v4 fight....
Replying to a well written articulate post with "*Point* HAHAH WoW LOL" pretty much invalidates any argument you tried to make ... if you consider Adun's responce an attempt to make any argument.
This is the "well-written and articulate post" you're talking about?
Originally posted by Broomy
I bought ER a few months ago and tried it...it was terrible. I would log in periodically to see how the game fared. It was still terrible. Logged in today to see if the patch improved things....still a joke. LAG, No direction, Poor mechanics, toxic community for the most part.
I'm done. Uninstalling that total piece of garbage. And I will be letting my buddies that were interested in it know to NOT bother wasting thier hard earned cash. This is simply put crimminal theft of player money.
You know, now that I reread it, I, too, was blown away by it's articulation, insight, and powerful prose. I sincerely and whole-heartedly withdraw my retort which was comprised of, to be exact, "Lol". I can easily see how you inferred ER has a toxic community at my example, but sir, know that on the next moon, I shall give myself to penance and light a candle to mark the ocassion, for it is something which should not be forgotten, and indeed, taken deeply to breast.
I read some of it until it turned into a flame fest then i stopped reading and asked my question.
So there is no combat lag what so ever anymore ? , because i remember from closed beta / retail launch that you would have something like 1-2 seconds from when you hit your mouse button till you heard the shot, it was unbearable
No, there is no combat lag anymore, with even further optimizations on the GFX/netcode underway both before and after Territorial Warfare which is coming this month.
Replying to a well written articulate post with "*Point* HAHAH WoW LOL" pretty much invalidates any argument you tried to make ... if you consider Adun's responce an attempt to make any argument.
This is the "well-written and articulate post" you're talking about?
Originally posted by Broomy
I bought ER a few months ago and tried it...it was terrible. I would log in periodically to see how the game fared. It was still terrible. Logged in today to see if the patch improved things....still a joke. LAG, No direction, Poor mechanics, toxic community for the most part.
I'm done. Uninstalling that total piece of garbage. And I will be letting my buddies that were interested in it know to NOT bother wasting thier hard earned cash. This is simply put crimminal theft of player money.
You know, now that I reread it, I, too, was blown away by it's articulation, insight, and powerful prose. I sincerely and whole-heartedly withdraw my retort which was comprised of, to be exact, "Lol". I can easily see how you inferred ER has a toxic community at my example, but sir, know that on the next moon, I shall give myself to penance and light a candle to mark the ocassion, for it is something which should not be forgotten, and indeed, taken deeply to breast.
Nice try, but you still haven't addressed a single of his points regarding Lag, No Direction, Poor Mechanics.
Keep continuing to validate his opinion of the community being toxic.
+1 for the improvement in insulting though! Definately much better than "WoW Lol!"
Replying to a well written articulate post with "*Point* HAHAH WoW LOL" pretty much invalidates any argument you tried to make ... if you consider Adun's responce an attempt to make any argument.
This is the "well-written and articulate post" you're talking about?
Originally posted by Broomy
I bought ER a few months ago and tried it...it was terrible. I would log in periodically to see how the game fared. It was still terrible. Logged in today to see if the patch improved things....still a joke. LAG, No direction, Poor mechanics, toxic community for the most part.
I'm done. Uninstalling that total piece of garbage. And I will be letting my buddies that were interested in it know to NOT bother wasting thier hard earned cash. This is simply put crimminal theft of player money.
You know, now that I reread it, I, too, was blown away by it's articulation, insight, and powerful prose. I sincerely and whole-heartedly withdraw my retort which was comprised of, to be exact, "Lol". I can easily see how you inferred ER has a toxic community at my example, but sir, know that on the next moon, I shall give myself to penance and light a candle to mark the ocassion, for it is something which should not be forgotten, and indeed, taken deeply to breast.
Nice try, but you still haven't addressed a single of his points regarding Lag, No Direction, Poor Mechanics.
Keep continuing to validate his opinion of the community being toxic.
+1 for the improvement in insulting though! Definately much better than "WoW Lol!"
Rofl, It has already been stated in this thread countless time that lag no longer exists, and as far as "no direction" and "poor mechanics" are concerned, these are vague, blanket terms that mean nothing. The fact that you cited these "points" as articulate and well-written just makes me laugh, as does the rest of your desperate attempts at bashing the game when you clearly know nothing of it. The only thing "toxic" here are people like yourself who, while not even playing the game they're condemning, and thus in actuality know f*ck-all about it, are not deterred from still talking at length of what they do not know. But really you're not to be blamed; it's the standard migratory MMO kid mentality, and you're just another number amongst it's horde.
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Truth to be told, the general idea of Earthrise is what kept me following and discussing about the game for three years.
The big problem is, that Masthead didn't listen to the early adopters during development or during the beta-tests. They simply didn't manage to get the game-mechanics right, which is rather disappointing, as there's not too much MMOs around that are going into the direction of EvE Online, Neocron or vanilla SWG.
Alot of people thought that Earthrise will be a good mix of those three mentioned above, but the result is just a massive grind and deathmatch instead.
It's blatantly obvious, that Masthead can't turn this game into a gem so alot of players simply stopped following/playing instead of wasting time waiting for a miracle.
PR attacks are aimed, RL attacks were not. Plus PR attacks don't automatically stun and drain you. You only die in a few hits if you get tagged with the immobilize (Intercept); it's very easy to not get hit by it. I roll AR and dominate PR users consistently. Just ask our old buddy Jira who without OP RLs and unstuck/ALT+F4 exploits is now completely helpless in PvP.
Rest of your post is just speculation.
I still stand by the purpose of this thread: to let people know the weapons are relatively balanced, rocket launchers were nerfed, PvP exploits are gone, servers are stable, and lag is decent.
TBH, you seemed to have quit just before the game actually started getting better. I have more fun now in ER then I did at launch despite the fact my guild went from 50 people to the 10 it has now.
And yes, I don't like the huge statistical disparity betwen the tiers. I crusaded heavily against this with Kole on the beta boards and we were told to STFU because MMOs require "progression" and ER had to be this way. The community was deadset against what we were advocating so don't act like we didn't try. If you were on the beta boards I know damn well you read my posts about how retarded the gear tiers were but no one at the time wanted to hear what Kole and I were saying.
And LOL @ people qutting over not having enough money for insurance. I've never had more than 10k cc on me at any given time and I don't complain; it's easy not to die if you use your head. PvP gankers don't roll in packs. Two players at most. Grind in a group, post some security at an observation post, and soon you'll be ganking the gankers. We do it all of the time in the 47th.
Your statement is as worthy as someone saying that everyone likes Earthrise. The second sentence is an oxymoron - there is someone who likes the game and then you say that noone likes it.
Anyway, we are going offtopic.
Cavadus is right, Earthrise is getting better and noone can deny that.
Thanks Cav, I think I will come back on tonight to see the changes. The only thing that really got me frustrated to the point of walking away from the game was the PvP exploits. I was patient through everything else gone wrong at release, and I am excited that improvements are being made. I loved the game when I played, I hope its as enjoyable now (minus the exploits).
Hey Cavadus, you've really written some nice honest stuff here, and even making it a point to not make excuses about their terrible launch flaws.
I'm gonna check this game out again. . .dont know if I'm ready to buy, but your feedback seemed honest enough for me to take a peek.
Without looking, my 2 concerns would have to do with whether there is an active enough player-base to make the game enjoyable, and whether there is any purpose or meaning to pvp such as resource or territorial control for some reason.
This game is complete shit.
They still haven't addressed the GPU or Network performance issues. They are behind on their roadmap. They are getting worse and worse at communication. They often break things and cause new issues when patching old ones. Exploits went rampant in the beginning. Playerbase is almost nothing, they have a total of 3k accounts if you consider forum accounts the same as user accounts (every one made auto generates the forum account). Out of the 3k users, you are lucky to see 50 online at one time. They have some of the worst customer service and support I have ever seen. They closed one of my tickets out with absolutely no response after making me wait 20 days. I could go on and on, really.
To be honest, MHS is the worst MMO company I have seen to date and I have played at least 20 MMOs. And yes I played through beta on many of them and they had so much more to offer than Earthrise. Even the completely boring copy paste WoW clone F2P games run better than this. It might have cool concepts and "potential" but honestly I'm sick of hoping for a game to become good because of its potential.
Stay far away from this one folks.
^This. I bought ER a few months ago and tried it...it was terrible. I would log in periodically to see how the game fared. It was still terrible. Logged in today to see if the patch improved things....still a joke. LAG, No direction, Poor mechanics, toxic community for the most part.
I'm done. Uninstalling that total piece of garbage. And I will be letting my buddies that were interested in it know to NOT bother wasting thier hard earned cash. This is simply put crimminal theft of player money.
Current Games: WOW, EVE Online
Toxic community? ER's community is the only one I've ever enjoyed besides PreCU's.
ER has a fantastic community full of people willing to help anyone who asks for it. Just last night I was helping some new players group grind BP so they could get their skills up.
ER's community is one of the best around.
Current Games: WOW, RIFT
Lol
That's your opinion. It has not been my experience, but thats a moot point. The game is garbage.
Current Games: WOW, EVE Online
Yeah, WOW and RIFT. Because there are so many GARBAGE games like ER what other choice is there? Keep talking shit, TR closed and so will ER. The TR community was obtuse as well and they helped in the ruination of that game. ER will share the same fate.
Current Games: WOW, EVE Online
Actually Cavadus is right; the ER community is very helpful to new players, sorry that wasn't your experience. Judging from your criticisms of the game though, you actually sound destined for games like WoW/Rift. So I wish you loads of fun grinding scenarios and instances until your face turns blue in WoW/RIft/whatever other rinse/repeat game you enjoy, and g'luck to you cap'n.
I can see what you mean by toxic community alright :P
camelguy is the only poster in this thread who has been condescending and offensive, sorry. Perhaps the problem wasn't with the community but with himself.
And Adun brought up a good point, someone who enjoys playing games like WOW or Rift probably wouldn't like Earthrise even if it was an absolutely perfect sandbox experience.
1) Camelguy wasn't offensive.
2) Adun replied to Broomy.
3) Broomy's post was well written and anything but offensive or condescending.
4) Replying to a well written articulate post with "*Point* HAHAH WoW LOL" pretty much invalidates any argument you tried to make ... if you consider Adun's responce an attempt to make any argument.
P.S. How does it feel being one of the very few or perhaps the only ER player who bothered to fill his payment information and got charged by Masthead? (that's me being condescending btw)
1. Yes, he was.
2. Who cares?
3. I said camelguy's post was condescending and offensive. Did I mention "Broomy" once in my post? L2R, please.
4. It's a valid criticism.
5. I feel fine about it TBH. They were supposed to start charging April 14th and I subbed in preparation for that. I had fully expected to be paying well over two weeks ago.
But the whole point of this thread is that the game is still shit, no ?
Still alot of lag from what people say, and you cannot have lag in a third person shooter , kills your gaming experience.
List of SOE lies
Did you read my OP?
No, the lag and server instability from launch are gone. That's why I said exactly that in the OP.
I read some of it until it turned into a flame fest then i stopped reading and asked my question.
So there is no combat lag what so ever anymore ? , because i remember from closed beta / retail launch that you would have something like 1-2 seconds from when you hit your mouse button till you heard the shot, it was unbearable
List of SOE lies
The only thing Cavadus has said which hold true is the last line in the linked post. Here i'll copy him again:
What the hell, MastHead? Is there anything you can't screw up?
The lag is gone because there are 50 people max playing at any given time. Go ahead and ask him how the lag is if you ever get into a 4v4 fight....
This is the "well-written and articulate post" you're talking about?
You know, now that I reread it, I, too, was blown away by it's articulation, insight, and powerful prose. I sincerely and whole-heartedly withdraw my retort which was comprised of, to be exact, "Lol". I can easily see how you inferred ER has a toxic community at my example, but sir, know that on the next moon, I shall give myself to penance and light a candle to mark the ocassion, for it is something which should not be forgotten, and indeed, taken deeply to breast.
No, there is no combat lag anymore, with even further optimizations on the GFX/netcode underway both before and after Territorial Warfare which is coming this month.
Nice try, but you still haven't addressed a single of his points regarding Lag, No Direction, Poor Mechanics.
Keep continuing to validate his opinion of the community being toxic.
+1 for the improvement in insulting though! Definately much better than "WoW Lol!"
Rofl, It has already been stated in this thread countless time that lag no longer exists, and as far as "no direction" and "poor mechanics" are concerned, these are vague, blanket terms that mean nothing. The fact that you cited these "points" as articulate and well-written just makes me laugh, as does the rest of your desperate attempts at bashing the game when you clearly know nothing of it. The only thing "toxic" here are people like yourself who, while not even playing the game they're condemning, and thus in actuality know f*ck-all about it, are not deterred from still talking at length of what they do not know. But really you're not to be blamed; it's the standard migratory MMO kid mentality, and you're just another number amongst it's horde.