I have no problem paying -- $14.99 a month / $3.75 a week / 5 cents a day --if the game keeps in interested.
I'm not exactly sure what your trying to say here Mr. Janis. I just checked the math (based on a 4 week month and 30 day month) and his numbers are sound. Now if you add in the original purchase price of the game that would change, but seeing as how that would be a constantly reducing scale, it really isn't worth the effort. It seems that maybe you should follow your own advice in that last sentence of yours instead.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I have no problem paying -- $14.99 a month / $3.75 a week / 5 cents a day --if the game keeps in interested.
Since mods didn't like my more concise rendition:
Dear sir,
There seems to have been a error of decimal placement in your valient attempt at engaging your brain in the art of arithmatic.
I highly suggest re-evaluating your equation for accuracy.
As for the situation regarding fiscal responsibility, I recommend allocating said funds towards more scholarly endeavors.
Sincerely,
-Peter R. Janis, M.S.
I'm not exactly sure what your trying to say here Mr. Janis. I just checked the math (based on a 4 week month and 30 day month) and his numbers are sound. Now if you add in the original purchase price of the game that would change, but seeing as how that would be a constantly reducing scale, it really isn't worth the effort. It seems that maybe you should follow your own advice in that last sentence of yours instead.
i think the answer your looking for is about 45 cents.. which is missing from your daily rate.
I agree, The Old Republic should be Buy-To-Play as the game itself is NOT worth the premium AAA sub cost of $15/month. It's a single player game with multiplayer elements. Sorry, not worth it as I'd feel dirty each month paying the sub full well knowing I'd ve perpetuating the plague of our market (WoW clones with different skins).
The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity: Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.
As to the 300 million crap they debunked that months ago . Turns out ea gave bioware a total of 300 million to make tor, dragon age 2 and mass effect 3 i think lol. All due out this year. So the actual budget for tor is unknown but is in the 100-150 mil range not 300 mil.
Its been stated multiple times that 500 k subs gives biwoare/ea a prophet. that 1 mil is a substantial prophet so This game is no where near as expensive as people think.
As for used books i did that once. It didnt turn out so well book was missing cover and other stuff was a few years ago but havent tried it since.
I tend to buy my books new and i own alot of books. 15 dollars to me for a good game that has updates and new content to me is worth it i pay ti for wow.
Considering on console i pay my 40 dollars pay a game maybe 2-3 months and am done with it. I like that mmo worlds are always evolving giving me new stuff to do.
Ill pay 15 dollars a month fro a good game that i enjoy and have a lot of fun playing.
Tor is an mmorpg forced grouping doesnt make a game an mmo by the way. Having the option to group while playing in a huge persistante world with alot of other players iw hat makes a game an mmo. its not my definition its the gaming industries definition of an mmo.
Err what? if it was only for all 3 games that puts the game in the $200-$250 range, as single player games don't cost anywhere near the amount of mmo's especially self proclaimed rush jobs such as DA2. 50 million is the amount needed for an ok - good AAA mmo. There's no way in hell ME3 or DA2 cost anywhere near 75 million.
I'm not exactly sure what your trying to say here Mr. Janis. I just checked the math (based on a 4 week month and 30 day month) and his numbers are sound. Now if you add in the original purchase price of the game that would change, but seeing as how that would be a constantly reducing scale, it really isn't worth the effort. It seems that maybe you should follow your own advice in that last sentence of yours instead.
i think the answer your looking for is about 45 cents.. which is missing from your daily rate.
We have a winner!!!! 5 cents a day x 7 days a week x 4 weeks a month (aprox) yields $1.40
GMan, would you also like some tutelage? I can do Weekends and Weekday evenings, only...
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I agree, The Old Republic should be Buy-To-Play as the game itself is NOT worth the premium AAA sub cost of $15/month. It's a single player game with multiplayer elements. Sorry, not worth it as I'd feel dirty each month paying the sub full well knowing I'd ve perpetuating the plague of our market (WoW clones with different skins).
Ok let's say it's a single player game, the story of each class is supposed to be different and the length of a single player game each easily. There are 8 classes in total so 8 games. At 50$ a game that's 400$. So instead, while following what you said, that it's a single player game, you buy it for 50$ and can pay for 2 years. You can play all the stories in less then 2 years I guess, so you would still be paying less for 8 full games, even if they are all about starwars. So still worth it.
Couldn't bring yourself to give me the credit for mentioning it first, right, that 5 cents was wrong? Lame...
Well, if I weren't banned for "trolling" again, I'd redact that statement. C'est la vie. Didn't feel like reading too much into the thread, hurts the ol' eyeballs and noodle.
Just felt like mentioning it in a more condescending manner, you know me...
Couldn't bring yourself to give me the credit for mentioning it first, right, that 5 cents was wrong? Lame...
Well, if I weren't banned for "trolling" again, I'd redact that statement. C'est la vie. Didn't feel like reading too much into the thread, hurts the ol' eyeballs and noodle.
Just felt like mentioning it in a more condescending manner, you know me...
Bai!!!1
Ah? Ah well, luckily banning is only a temporary thing (most often). As for my post, I was just joking around, I tend to skip whole threads except the last posts as well a lot of the times
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I'm not exactly sure what your trying to say here Mr. Janis. I just checked the math (based on a 4 week month and 30 day month) and his numbers are sound. Now if you add in the original purchase price of the game that would change, but seeing as how that would be a constantly reducing scale, it really isn't worth the effort. It seems that maybe you should follow your own advice in that last sentence of yours instead.
i think the answer your looking for is about 45 cents.. which is missing from your daily rate.
We have a winner!!!! 5 cents a day x 7 days a week x 4 weeks a month (aprox) yields $1.40
GMan, would you also like some tutelage? I can do Weekends and Weekday evenings, only...
5 cents a day is my going rate, ironically.
Well, I'll be danged. The decimal was in the wrong place for daily costs. Still, if your so worried about $.50 a day then I hate to think how you feel about taking your significant other to a single movie a month. At least where I live that comes out to $25 - $30 depending on the theater and without any snacks or drinks. For a two hour experience that is a lot worse than a game that the $14.99 a month you would pay for this game and potential dozens of hours of play time. Still, cheap people are just that . . . cheap. Arguing the costs of this is beyond stupid. If the game is worth the money, people will play it and pay it. If not, then they won't. That simple.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
Revenue generates $$$. $$$ pays for innovation. Innovation leads to fun games.
Simple. B2P has a group with GW and hopefully it'll stay there. I like what GW did but it was FAR from revolutionary in-so-far-as all the instancing. Most of the server side stuff is minimized with that. If they did that to TOR I believe I would throw my computer across the room. A MMO is just that.. M-M-O. Not I only wanna see my group or people I've invited to hunt with me in my instance.
Dollars does pay for innovation, $$$ pays their salaries. Where do people come up with this stuff ?
It was said early on that SW:TOR has enough content to be KoTOR 3,4,5,6,7,8 (and onward), were you asked to pay upfront for each of these notional sequels all at once it would set you back hundreds of £/$/€. Instead you are being asked to pay a one-off box price and then a monthly fee.
Look at it as buying KoTOR 3 and renting the rest of the sequels. And getting to play alongside others when the mood takes you as a bonus.
Well, I'll be danged. The decimal was in the wrong place for daily costs. Still, if your so worried about $.50 a day then I hate to think how you feel about taking your significant other to a single movie a month. At least where I live that comes out to $25 - $30 depending on the theater and without any snacks or drinks. For a two hour experience that is a lot worse than a game that the $14.99 a month you would pay for this game and potential dozens of hours of play time. Still, cheap people are just that . . . cheap. Arguing the costs of this is beyond stupid. If the game is worth the money, people will play it and pay it. If not, then they won't. That simple.
Just an FYI:
I was simply making fun of people, I never said I had a problem with paying a monthly fee for MMOs. If I made QQ's about that, I'd be a hypocrite because I've been paying to play since Darkness Falls (a text scrolling MUD by Mythic [lolbiowaremythic] in the 90's).
Although I do have a big problem with giving George Lucas any more money for ruining my childhood memories with new-age cinematic diarrhea and corporate whoredness, but that's another story...
It was said early on that SW:TOR has enough content to be KoTOR 3,4,5,6,7,8 (and onward), were you asked to pay upfront for each of these notional sequels all at once it would set you back hundreds of £/$/€. Instead you are being asked to pay a one-off box price and then a monthly fee.
Look at it as buying KoTOR 3 and renting the rest of the sequels. And getting to play alongside others when the mood takes you as a bonus.
The logic is strong with me today...
"It was said early on"
Wow. If BioWare said this game would make you more successful in life and bag you a supermodel trophy wife, I'm willing to bet that you'd buy in.
Sure, it would be that way...if you were locked down to one path in each of these multiple KoTOR sequels, and forced to inevitably run the same content at some point (i.e. Flashpoints) with absolutely no variation. Sounds a little lazy to me, and really just an excuse that people seem to eat up...
....no. They should have made Mass Effect the MMO not SW the mmo...part 2.
Woulda, shoulda, coulda, but didn't. Time to move on.
no. they have already stated that it is something that they could and may do nice try though
besides.....Bioware just makes the same game over and over again reskinned. TOR will be just like ME and DA just with all the silly SW stuff thrown into it. Same game different title
No it won't. SWTOR is an MMO. It will not be B2P either.
::edit:: changed after edit
SWTOR will be a completely different game, and it shows in many of its aspects of gameplay.
....no. They should have made Mass Effect the MMO not SW the mmo...part 2.
Woulda, shoulda, coulda, but didn't. Time to move on.
no. they have already stated that it is something that they could and may do nice try though
besides.....Bioware just makes the same game over and over again reskinned. TOR will be just like ME and DA just with all the silly SW stuff thrown into it. Same game different title
No it won't. SWTOR is an MMO. It will not be B2P either.
Confirmed during Electronic Arts CFO Eric Brown's presentation that TOR "...will generate revenue through monthly subscriptions"
? That was never in question. We all know it is an MMO. But the main focus this game has gotten is that they are putting 'story' into the genre......like ME and DA. So I stand by what I said, it is ME and DA with co-op multiplayer. Nothing wrong with that per say but that is what it is. Sub based or not
You changed your OP after I had replied, so I had to go back and change mine. The game will have much more than co-op multiplayer.
I have no problem paying -- $14.99 a month / $3.75 a week / 5 cents a day --if the game keeps in interested.
Other than that, when i see MMO's that go this route it becomes Pay to Win with certain cash shops.
No thanks.
Plus games that don't have a monthly fee bring in a real bad player base
Like WoW? Oh wait....
Using a B2P model would probably be a bad idea at this point. Maybe if they'd started with that payment model in mind, they could pull it off, but I doubt they could change gears to it now. Given the IP, there's probably loads of stuff they could drop into an item shop and sell very well. In fact, I'd be surprised if a cosmetic item shop doesn't appear in the game within a few months of launch, if not on launch day.
But I'm guessing that the mere thought of B2P would turn off too many people. I don't think there's anything wrong with the B2P model if implemented properly, but using a more traditional payment scheme would be a safer road to travel.
....no. They should have made Mass Effect the MMO not SW the mmo...part 2.
Woulda, shoulda, coulda, but didn't. Time to move on.
no. they have already stated that it is something that they could and may do nice try though
besides.....Bioware just makes the same game over and over again reskinned. TOR will be just like ME and DA just with all the silly SW stuff thrown into it. Same game different title
No it won't. SWTOR is an MMO. It will not be B2P either.
Confirmed during Electronic Arts CFO Eric Brown's presentation that TOR "...will generate revenue through monthly subscriptions"
? That was never in question. We all know it is an MMO. But the main focus this game has gotten is that they are putting 'story' into the genre......like ME and DA. So I stand by what I said, it is ME and DA with co-op multiplayer. Nothing wrong with that per say but that is what it is. Sub based or not
You changed your OP after I had replied, so I had to go back and change mine. The game will have much more than co-op multiplayer.
co-op multilplayer is in every mmo. Think we are saying the same thing but you think I am trolling so you feel the need to defend. Im not.
I'm just more responding to how I perceived your focus.... that you think SWTOR will be exactly like ME or DA, just with "co-op multiplayer" but I don't agree with that in the slightest. Just voicing a counterpoint to how you perceive it.
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Nope, it's not, it's 50 cents a day.
You're welcome
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
i think the answer your looking for is about 45 cents.. which is missing from your daily rate.
I agree, The Old Republic should be Buy-To-Play as the game itself is NOT worth the premium AAA sub cost of $15/month. It's a single player game with multiplayer elements. Sorry, not worth it as I'd feel dirty each month paying the sub full well knowing I'd ve perpetuating the plague of our market (WoW clones with different skins).
The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity:
Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.
Err what? if it was only for all 3 games that puts the game in the $200-$250 range, as single player games don't cost anywhere near the amount of mmo's especially self proclaimed rush jobs such as DA2. 50 million is the amount needed for an ok - good AAA mmo. There's no way in hell ME3 or DA2 cost anywhere near 75 million.
We have a winner!!!! 5 cents a day x 7 days a week x 4 weeks a month (aprox) yields $1.40
GMan, would you also like some tutelage? I can do Weekends and Weekday evenings, only...
5 cents a day is my going rate, ironically.
Pfff.
Couldn't bring yourself to give me the credit for mentioning it first, right, that 5 cents was wrong? Lame...
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Ok let's say it's a single player game, the story of each class is supposed to be different and the length of a single player game each easily. There are 8 classes in total so 8 games. At 50$ a game that's 400$. So instead, while following what you said, that it's a single player game, you buy it for 50$ and can pay for 2 years. You can play all the stories in less then 2 years I guess, so you would still be paying less for 8 full games, even if they are all about starwars. So still worth it.
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Well, if I weren't banned for "trolling" again, I'd redact that statement. C'est la vie. Didn't feel like reading too much into the thread, hurts the ol' eyeballs and noodle.
Just felt like mentioning it in a more condescending manner, you know me...
Bai!!!1
if it was a smaller, offline single player game maybe, but ToR isnt that
Ah? Ah well, luckily banning is only a temporary thing (most often). As for my post, I was just joking around, I tend to skip whole threads except the last posts as well a lot of the times
Cya around, mate.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
거북이는 목을 내밀 때 안 움직입니다
Well, I'll be danged. The decimal was in the wrong place for daily costs. Still, if your so worried about $.50 a day then I hate to think how you feel about taking your significant other to a single movie a month. At least where I live that comes out to $25 - $30 depending on the theater and without any snacks or drinks. For a two hour experience that is a lot worse than a game that the $14.99 a month you would pay for this game and potential dozens of hours of play time. Still, cheap people are just that . . . cheap. Arguing the costs of this is beyond stupid. If the game is worth the money, people will play it and pay it. If not, then they won't. That simple.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
Woulda, shoulda, coulda, but didn't. Time to move on.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
Dollars does pay for innovation, $$$ pays their salaries. Where do people come up with this stuff ?
On the whole TOR = Single player RPG idea
It was said early on that SW:TOR has enough content to be KoTOR 3,4,5,6,7,8 (and onward), were you asked to pay upfront for each of these notional sequels all at once it would set you back hundreds of £/$/€. Instead you are being asked to pay a one-off box price and then a monthly fee.
Look at it as buying KoTOR 3 and renting the rest of the sequels. And getting to play alongside others when the mood takes you as a bonus.
The logic is strong with me today...
Just an FYI:
I was simply making fun of people, I never said I had a problem with paying a monthly fee for MMOs. If I made QQ's about that, I'd be a hypocrite because I've been paying to play since Darkness Falls (a text scrolling MUD by Mythic [lolbiowaremythic] in the 90's).
Although I do have a big problem with giving George Lucas any more money for ruining my childhood memories with new-age cinematic diarrhea and corporate whoredness, but that's another story...
"It was said early on"
Wow. If BioWare said this game would make you more successful in life and bag you a supermodel trophy wife, I'm willing to bet that you'd buy in.
Sure, it would be that way...if you were locked down to one path in each of these multiple KoTOR sequels, and forced to inevitably run the same content at some point (i.e. Flashpoints) with absolutely no variation. Sounds a little lazy to me, and really just an excuse that people seem to eat up...
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No it won't. SWTOR is an MMO. It will not be B2P either.
::edit:: changed after edit
SWTOR will be a completely different game, and it shows in many of its aspects of gameplay.
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You changed your OP after I had replied, so I had to go back and change mine. The game will have much more than co-op multiplayer.
Like WoW? Oh wait....
Using a B2P model would probably be a bad idea at this point. Maybe if they'd started with that payment model in mind, they could pull it off, but I doubt they could change gears to it now. Given the IP, there's probably loads of stuff they could drop into an item shop and sell very well. In fact, I'd be surprised if a cosmetic item shop doesn't appear in the game within a few months of launch, if not on launch day.
But I'm guessing that the mere thought of B2P would turn off too many people. I don't think there's anything wrong with the B2P model if implemented properly, but using a more traditional payment scheme would be a safer road to travel.
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I'm just more responding to how I perceived your focus.... that you think SWTOR will be exactly like ME or DA, just with "co-op multiplayer" but I don't agree with that in the slightest. Just voicing a counterpoint to how you perceive it.