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Im interested in trying EVE Online
Spyder911
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in EVE Online
I've been playing MMO's for a long time like WoW, Darkfall, Warhammer Online, Rift, and many more. I was interested in getting EVE Online but I was looking for some information on the game. I been reading things off their website for a while now but I still cant seem to understand most of the things they're talking about. It would be cool if anybody could try and convince me to play EVE. Just list some things you like about the game and compare it to some other MMO's if you can please. I have read the other similar threads but I would like some different answers, thanks!
Thanks in advance!
- Spyder 
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Well with no direct questions its going to be hard to give you any answers at all. That said EVE has a free 14 day trial, 21 if you get someone to send you an invite (any of us that play currently can just send up a PM with an email to send it to.) Either way your best bet is to get in and try it out for a bit then comeback with your impressions and any questions that you may have. Just be prepared to do thing differently from what you have done before.
Read all the infomation at hand and Keep a goal in mind: combat,crafting,Trade. it helps
eve is an excelent game if you have patience =D
A couple of ruff comparisons between the games you described..
In say wow, you have to be X lvl in order to do an "heroic". This doesnt have to be true in eve, you can tag along to Mission and take out smaller opponents while experienced players "tank" them.
"Need to get to level cap to compete" why?
"A low level player cannot take on a high lvl opponent" in eve, a small ship can beat a larger ship.
"i cant enter a high level zone becasue the monsters will eat me" you can fly anywhere in eve from the start.
"I need to go to the auction house to pick up x-items" I need to fly out to another wallmart 30 solar systems away because they dont have my item.
"look how shiny my gear is"- give me all your money and items or ill blow you out the sky(and lose them anyway).
"lets protect his base" lets build our own strongholds.
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I am doing the free trial right now. I am already in a player run Corp and am going to sub when my check comes in. I am a caldari named Frilla Pirkibo, look me up in game and I will try to help you understand. There is also a rookie chat channel with in game helpers.
Currently bored with MMO's.
Not currently playing it, because of lack of time, but, main reasons I like Eve:
1) One server only, everything happens in ONE big universe, so this comes with great populations etc.
2) I'd say 97% of all items in game are player crafted, so this makes this game have a GREAT economy, unlike others.
3) You can be MANY things, and basically to start off you DON'T need all max'd skills on that thing you want to do. If you don't have that Skill yet, instead of complaining think about if you have the resources to do what's next on the next level of actions, if you know to do it etc. In my point of view, not having the skill yet means that you haven't earned the knowledge to do something.
4) Great corporate and teamwork, you'll only trully learn about the game once you meet other people. MEETING other people is one of the most IMPORTANT thing you can do.
5) Free Expansions, and two per year. Each has a % of fixing used features, and adds new features.
6) The Best Character Costumization UI I have seen until now.
Future: WoD, SWTOR, Arche Age, Tera (maybe), GW2.
Present: None.
Past: Eve, RIFT, UO, bunch of F2P crap.
Took me about 4 trials to get hooked, Just subbed today.
Do the free trial, why wouldn't you?
It isn't that hard to get into, despite its reputation, and can be a blast: just don't expect to be able to compete against the long-term vets for at least 2 years, although many of them will claim otherwise (but they are oversimplifying in my opinion: many 5% advantages add up to a 100% advantage real fast). But you can avoid them for the most part if you are smart or you can catch them with a scissor fitting to your rock fitting and you can beat them. I'd actually avoid a big corp at first, unless you enjoy listening to some british guy on vent giving you basic tackling orders during some BLOB fight or while camping a gate.
Probably your best bet early on is to gang up with a couple other noobs and try to find a poor sap in lowsec off guard somewhere. Or you can run missions, which gets boring fast, or you can be an explorer, which is more like random missions and also gets boring fast. If you are a builder type you will have a blast with industry/market stuff. with maybe some mining to supplement. I actually think even a noob builder can have a blast even today, but the PVP is veteran centric these days unfortunately.
Don't be scared off by the initial confusion you will have at the fighting and fitting concepts. It really isn't that difficult. You are the ship (in actuality it operates more like a sub), and you have ships that can equip various fittings (similar to armor/weapons/gear in a standard fantasy MMO). You can have some fun balancing the fittings you can use as you run out of power or CPU quick if you are a noob. At first you will be confusted by your options but there really aren't that many when you break it down. Lots of meta levels for very similar items, or variances in what resistances they provide for example. You probably need to understand about 20 different fitting types and you've pretty much got it figured out.
As many Eve veterans will tell you (I am an ex-EVE veteran), this game isn't about short-term goals. And nowadays short-term is anything less than 18 months to be honest. Remember that the veterans have a 7+ year skill point advantage on you that you will never make any headway on. A permanent advantage for vets.
I personally would have very very highly recommended playing it a few years ago, but nowadays I think the veteran/noob gap is completely insurmountable. Unless you have a couple hundred bucks to buy a character with several milliion skill points: they are readily available on the market and is sanctioned by the developer (not a cheat).
Note that their subscription numbers have been growing recently, but probably more than half of those are ISK funded alts of the veterans. Almost every veteran has at least one alt account and many have multiple these days. A couple of my friends still play and they are really enjoying this advantage they have. Not only a permanent skill point gap in their main, but the ability to fund alt accounts with ISK to assist with other aspects of the game (e.g., stealth camping, or salvage ambulance chaser to their main, generating ISK, etc.)
This truly is a game for the veterans and almost all aspects of it are set up that way.
But, the trial is free so find out for yourself...
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
Eve is a great game and I would recommend it to anyone. It does take more than the free trial to enjoy the game though. The think I like the most is pvp, which you really get into in 0.0 but you have to have a lot of skillpoints before anyone will let you into their corp. I disagree that you are at a permanent disadvantage to veterans because you can specialize in one area and completely pwn at it. Within a few months, you can be in T2 ship (advanced ships) and can be formitable if you know your ship and the enemy's ship. It will suck to lose ship after ship, but you'll be hooked to pvp when you get your first kill and can take his loot. Try it out for a couple of months and you'll get into it.
Just like a few others said, try the free trial. Though 2 weeks might not be enough to hook you, so don't be surprised if you don't like it now, but 6 months down the road you will get an itch to try it again. It's an acquired taste that still has me on the fence about it.
"If I offended you, you needed it" -Corey Taylor
How about you convince us that you're worth convincing?
What do you bring to the game that will make you valuable to us?
His noob loot that you pick from his ship carcass isn't enough?
LOL
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
Noob ship loot wouldn't cover the cost of ammo I'd spend.
Also, I'm getting tired of these "convince me" posts.
If you don't have the basic instinct to search the internetz and find your own answers then a game that dumps you off in the middle of space with no direction or purpose is probably not going to be your cup of tea.
Good point.
And there do seem to be a bunch of very similar "convince me" posts recently: enough that it almost seems like a forum-based marketing campaign or something. My conspiracy theory antenna is perking up...
But I say MMORPG just sets up an auto-respond to these posts saying "JUST TRY THE FREE TRIAL ALREADY" and insta-lock the thread...
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
Completely ignore almost any post like this and you'll be just fine OP.
You don't need to catch up to veterans, just become proficient in the things that really matter to you and the game will prove to be an amazing experience.
Oh yes, never fly what you can't afford to lose.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
learn to tackle join a small roaming corp and roam as much as you can. Figure out how you're going to get some ISK, you don't need much at first and plex is an option. Learn the difference between roaming in High Low and Null sec. Train cloak and move to advance frigates using Minmatar/Amarr. Roam Roam Roam.
It's like questing in WOW, but instead of gear you get friends and a reputation.
That's my 2 cents.
It is real easy for EVE veterans to say you don't need to catch up to them, because they are enjoying their built-in permanent advantage. EVE is a game for veterans, trust me on this. You CAN still have fun with it as a noob, especially if you like to build and are very patient, or you don't mind constantly PVPing with a disadvantage. 1.05^15 is a huge advantage, math doesn't lie.
I still say do the free trial though. I had fun in it long ago, but would never join as a noob today knowing what I know about how many level 5 support skills materially impact your performance, and how many months/years it will take to max them all out...
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
Actually I would highly recommend that if you are serious about joining EVE. Do the free trial first of course, and if you even somewhat enjoy it within 3 weeks then plop down the cash and buy a character with at least 2 years of PVP-oriented skill points (40+ million MINIMUM). This will still leave you at a disadvantage because most likely you still won't be max skilled in the best ships at that point but at least you won't be completely gimped.
You will still need to develop your own personal skills in how to fight, but once you get some basic tactics down you will be fine: scramblers, webs, keeping right distance, ECM, lateral velocity, pre-aligning, bookmarking safe spots, etc.
Does take some getting used to but within a month or two, especially if you join a corp that will help train you, you'll be good to go as long as you aren't a gimped NOOB with only a few million skill points.
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
do not listen to most of these people that say that you will always die to a veteran. also, dont buy a character because you learn about ships as you play the game. you will die in anything if you automatically start out in a battleship or T2 ship because you dont know the game mechanics. how about this? my favorite kill in eve was when i was in a rifter (noob ship) and i killed a megathron (battleship). you dont have to match the skillpoints of veterans, but outsmart them and have a great setup.
LOL, A megathron's drones alone would pummel a Rifter. Of course if the pilot was AFK or was running with no drones and no weapons you might be able to burn it down after a few minutes, if they forgot to turn on their tanking modules that is.
I'll adapt a quote from Gandalph to Frodo when warning him about the ring wanting to be found:
"Remember, unsubscribed potential EVE player. The veterans are looking for more noobs to destroy. They want you to join"
Be wary of the veteran telling you skill points don't matter by using examples like the one above. But please please try the free trial, don't listen to me either to be honest. You can find out for yourself, and do a little math about how much of an advantage getting all your support skills to Level 5 gives you, and how long that will take you...
And also ask the veterans how they would feel if CCP reset everybody's skill points to 0, or decided to give new players 80 million free skill points. The outrage and screams would be heard across the EVE galaxy because, as any honest person will tell you, skill points mean A LOT.
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
CCP has been doing that for a couple of years, thats the reason there are so many options for new players today.
never fly what you can't afford to lose. that so true and many times not followed .
Sure, as long as the refunded a substantial portion of the sub fees I paid, because in the end Skill points are purchased with paid sub time and I'd want some sort of refund.
But ignore the silly suggestions and come give it a try, what have you got to lose? If you like it you'll find your niche pretty quickly and likely be killing me in the not so distant future. (because despite all my skill points, it would be kind to call my PVP skills average)
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
As someone that just started from scratch earlier this year I can say perfectly well that this guy is full of complete BS.
"He didn't turn on his tank modules"? PvE tanks are setup for specific types of damage and it's not uncommon to be completely vulnerable against key damage types (such as EMP).
Hell I got in on a 1.6 bil legion kill this past weekend on my little rifter tackling his ass and having 3 other buddies finish them off. My rifter is also a terror at decloaking cloaky fags.
Again I'll restate - This isn't a 1v1 game. The people complaining about being at a disadvantage in PvP to Vets are just being whiny girls that want to be able to solo everything in the game. This is a team game and in a team game the only real disadvantage you will be in PvP is the lack of flexibility when it comes to fleet comps.
I've been able to do serious damage in my hurricane in PvP even without t2 guns and a full set of support skills. Will a vet in the same ship be able to beat me 1v1? Probably, but that's not what this game is built on.
People like gainesvilleg are exactly what's wrong with MMOs today. The whole insta-gratification crowd that needs to be as epic as people playing the game far longer than you have or else they can't enjoy the game.
So in short, take the 'advice' from these silly "LOL DUEL PWNS" idiots with a grain of salt. If you find you're the kind of silly E-peen person that needs to be in the best ships using the best guns and doing the most damage, then you are better off skipping this game. If you are a team player that can play to your strengths while using your mates to offset your weaknesses, then you will have an absolute blast.
Explain? CCP has never reset veterans skill points to 0, nor have they given new players 80 million free skill points EVER.
In fact, even when they changed recently the need for new players to train the atrribute boosting skills, they actually reimbursed all the veterans with free skillpoints to compensate them.
This game is of and for the veterans. But if I were CCP I would probably operate the same way. EVE subscribers are a very loyal lot...
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
You are so wrong and clueless. I would be embarrased. Eve vets usually can afford to plex their accounts. Your logic is sooo misplaced and incorrect lol.
Again as someone that just started from scratch and is currently enjoying a great expansion campaign in null sec, you're full of crap.
Anyway the tl;dr of the thread is that it's still very possible to join the game and have a lot of fun. Since you can get a 21-day free trial for the asking (see the stickied thread) plus a crazy amount of stuff from the tutorials plus a couple of hundred mill when you sub up from the guy who gave you the buddy invite (half the price of a PLEX is the going rate IIRC) you can be off to a flying start and do a lot of fun crazy stuff in cheap ships for a long time before you have to worry about getting serious about grinding ISK.
Give me liberty or give me lasers