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I think he bought the ticket for her.
Kids nowadays are resourceful though, if she really wanted to do this that badly of course she'll find a way.
Sure the parents are at fault too, of course. But ultimately, kids are just more aggressive nowadays.
(Case) Home Alone 1. (And point) Home Alone 2.
Why do you assume I don't blame the boy for what he did? typical...
*points at "Again, I in no way condone or justify the actions of the man in question. Let's see how many people ignore this"*
Personally, I feel it does as it proves/disproves coercion and is relavent for the kidnapping charge.
Talk about looking left when you should look right. It has little to do with the ability to pull stuff over parents eyes and everything to do willingness and want to pull stuff over their eyes. The simple facts that the girl wanted to do this in the first place and also wanted to hide it from her parents under the cover of death doesn't concern you at all about parental failure?
Right, because it's sooo hard for police to put someone on a list for airlines to reference. After all, we all now how nonchalant airlines are these days about letting people purchase/use airline tickets.
I don't even see how that's a relevant reply to what I said. Nevertheless, pot kettle. Just another big flaw to be pointed out that you'd no doubt accuse me of 'blaming everyone but the accused'. *sigh*
Innocent until proven guilty... wonderful thing the US exists off of. Listen mang, what if this girl was being (physically and sexually) abused by her parents so he offered her safe haven with no sexual advances. Is that still evil? Obviously you have not thought this through and are reacting off of impulse.
Furthermore, back to the actual matter, how does that make him evil? Jumping back to
why is she wanting to do this in the first place if it is indeed so evil? Where is the line from it being an evil act to a commendable act?
Typical... forumer strawmans a perfectly good and reasonable post.
We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.
Well, I don't the laws in the US. In my country, it's legal. But that's missing the point, anyway - raise the pretended age in that story to whatever is legal.
People are way too hung up on laws anyway. What's illegal in some place is legal in another, so what. Laws are for people who can't tell right from wrong on their own.
But i guess i kinda failed with my story, anyway. My thinking is probably kinda off the standard as well -.-
Hype train -> Reality
Then we'd just be back to 'verify who the hell it is your child is dating'.
If all you know is the tidbits they tell you, and nothing of or from the other person and their family, there is no grounds upon which to approve or even perceive any real relationship. It's an infatuation/friendship taken beyond reasonable means both by the speed at which it sprung up as well as the complete lack of familiarity.
Regardless of laws. Ignorance is not an excuse for misdeeds.
If what you say is true, even if the age of consent is being met through a lie, it is only acheiving a minor facade that would crumble under any responsible degree of scrutiny.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
... or the first time the police stop the person and say 'Hey, you can't go visit her, she's 12 and her parents aren't cool with it'
That's always a GREAT clue that a girl is 12.
(Also an amazing clue that maybe what you're doing is inappropriate.)
Ah true, there is that too.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
Calm down people it is not hard for a court to decide if the boy is actually sick and have strong pedophil tendency or is it just a teenage romance. At 12 years old many girls can already have childs biologically, now are they prepare mentaly, i don't think so, but its is a cultural opinion in fact. In some other cultures people will say they are. Also computer relation tend to wash any criteria as physical beauty, age, and all those things.
The point is, it is not hard to see if that act come from heavy psychological problems from the guy or the girl and they will repeat such things in the future (especially for the boy), or is it just a bad situation that evolved as it shouldn't. You people just should think about this before pointing the criminal before hand.
At this age you make a lot of stupid things, a lot of people do have sex at that age, some even have childs, they are not all in jail, quiet the opposite. Hell at that age your girl could even go with the boy just to piss you off and because she have to demonstrte her personality to you, its not as simple as people think to handle teenagers. Especially when it is about love, since pretty much all our cutlure is about love being stronger than even death and those kind of stuff a teenage could very easily missunderstand.
Court are made so they can weight a personal situation, just so to avoid the kind of generalisation and easy comdamnation this thread is full of. You can't judge this kind of situation if you don't have all the details available, and even that could not be enough in many case.
"Right, because it's sooo hard for police to put someone on a list for airlines to reference. After all, we all now how nonchalant airlines are these days about letting people purchase/use airline tickets."
Well seeing as the police cannot tell the future, you would need to provide a list for trains, buses, planes, any borders in case a friend drove her there or he picked her up.
the police also better hope the family isn't planning to take a trip the next week and get stopped and the girl denied the trip because she was on your list. We know how unforgiving it is to be on those no-fly-lists. Doesn't matter if you have documents, the police told us you don't fly.
I also don't see them providing a list of people that cannot fly with a list of people they can fly with. It would be a mess.
I had a friend meet and marry some chick from WoW. They bought a lizard and named it Onyxia. They're divorced now...
I guess one of them was standing in the fire.
*RIMSHOT*
"There is a certain undeniable power in the void; within lies an unspoken promise of greatness, the shadowy truth that man is ruled by fear not of what is seen, but of what he perceives is seen beyond."
Damn dwarves.
Free to play means pay to win.
Oi, here we go. Another goddamn battle between the Moral Majority and sexuality of human beings... You do realize that years ago, and even in some states, homosexuality is illegal, right? You do realize that George Washington, founder of the United States of America also took wives in the 12 - 14 year region, and he was WELL over their age at the time, correct? This guy is frelling 18 years old. Jesus.
I've seen Republican senators with girls that are 30 and 40 years younger than them, and there are 18 year olds going with 70 or 80s (we call them "Gold Diggers"). WHO. GIVES. A. DAMN? We're locking teens up and labeling them sexual predators for sending naked photos of themselves to their lovers. As for this guy, his face is all over the news, and his life is ruined.
Is this really what we should be using the police for? Aren't there a few, more IMPORTANT targets that law officials could go after instead of this guy? Maybe the pair of pilots who didn't wanna learn how to land a plane? Oh wait, they never got them... they got plenty of pot heads and guys touching themselves to manga, but not them...
I am quite amused how a few posters have the slightest of what has transpired. I am also amused how some consider a 18 year old a child and not a man.
Yes there is a 6 year old difference in between the two, but it is different if a 18 year old goes out with a 24 year old. That reason is they are both phisicly and mentally adults. Sure an 18 year old may do stupid things but that does not mean he/she is less of an adult due to doing stupid things.
Those who see this 18 year old as a victim or he should not be considered a pedofile need to get their heads fixed. One the 18 year old is aware what he is doing is wrong. Two he sports an adult body. He is no child, his man chunks are just as grown as a 25 year old or a 60 year old. The girl was 12, Her body is just in the pubic stage. her body is not ment to be with an adult body on which is why THE 18 YEAR OLD ONLY WAS ABLE TO FONDLE HER.
The 12 year old can be easly manipulated. Any problems at home can lead a teen that age to fall for false security and for things that are to good to be true. Many pedofiles do offer a santuary and better life to their victims. This what the 18 year old has done.
This was a premaditated attemp. Pemeditation does not only cover killings. The guy thought this out. 1st he secured her willingnes to be with her by offering her to be with him and have a better life than she has. Lets not mention he has been calling ,texting and chatting with her sexually since she was 11. He tired to meet up with her, but her parents caught on and the police stopped this attempt. The guy knew what he was doing and managed to dodge the bullet. He then Planned her to meet with him, Purchasing her ticket, Offering her a place to stay , an abandoned house. It is obious what his intentions were. He even planned out her suicide note so supposedly she would not be followed.
The thing is , he knew wtf he was doing, all planned out only to fondle her because her body was Not capable of what he wanted to really do. He is also being accused of his fondling. He did have an attempt with sex with her. Oh on that case. Get it out of your head that having sex is limited to placing man chunks into vortexes. There is also manual sex, oral sex and so on. They were preforming manual sex because they could not preform an intercourse.
This 18 year old knew what he was getting into. he has done things a pedofile would do and is accused as such. Do not think pedofiles just run around and rape.
Now there was one poster who claimed he had scored with a 12 year old , him being 12 also. That proves nothing. You both has growing bodies at that time which made it possible, theres a huge difference at that age then at an adult age when your body is fully grown .
As for the parents should be blamed. Well no, they were doing what they could. You guys just are close minded. The parents could have canceled her wow account, forbid her to use her cellphone and computer. but that does not stop her from going to a friends house and preform such actions. The parents did what they could.
Could they have done better, well absolutely ,there is always room for improvement. But being a father of a 9 year old girl and 4 year old boy I can understand what many non parents do not.
my daughter also plays wow and phantasy star online with me. I do go one step further than being a dad. I am to both of my children , their friends. I Involve myself into their activites. Rather it be watching worlds dumbest with my daughter or making a railroad track with my kids thomas train set.
my daughter is well aware of sexual predators and how they can use the internet to do their deeds. I play wow with her, were both in a guild that is family friendly, in other words more parents that play with their children. I do go beyond, knowing all the crap the internet has to offer, I have programs that only allow my children to go to specific sites. Daughter needs to do homework. I am there.
Now in my case I am home all the time due to being mentally disabled, but that disability does not stop me from being a parent. Parents do all they can to protect their children. I know as my daughter ages, i wont be always there to protect her. I can forbid her to do things at home, but i cannot protect her to do the same when shes out with her friends. All I can do is educate her from making bad desisions.
So in this case:
The parents did what they could. They did all they could do to stop this pedofile from manipulating their daughter.
The 12 year old was easly fool and manipulated by the pedofies ploy.
The 18 year old knew what he was doing and staged everything to his favor.
So please stop calling the 18 year old a child who did somthing stupid. Stop accusing the 12 year old when she was fooled and manipulated to pull off the stunts she did. The freak is a pedofile and seeing how well he planned it out, it would not suprize me he has attempted this on other minors where he lives.
Ignorance at its finest. There is a reason laws were made to protect minors back then they did not exsist.
an 18 year old woman going out with a 70 year old man is nothing. both are adults , they both have adult bodies.
Police protecting our youth is just as important than any other task they do.
Whether it's right or wrong for an adult to have consensual sex with a child is not the question ... or maybe it is for you. The laws are made to protect children from the adults who would seek to prey on them. Without these laws, any random scumbag did and would freely prey on young kids anywhere at anytime with no fear of reprucussions from the law. Picking up girls on their way home from school or trying till they give in., etc etc. They have to treat every case the same .... besides he's the idiot who got lucky enough to only get sent home the first time ... but then he tries again? He deserves any time he gets for being a dumb a$$.
As for police, sure, maybe some areas are a little more swamped for work than others. But alot have the time to multi task ... not like this case took a whole lot of time to crack.
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