I had 2 lifetime accounts one for me and the wife. Neither of us have played since it went free to play. In fact the last time she played was 2 months after SOM, I beta tested teh free to play junk.
I have made the decision to wait until they live up to their promise of putting the xpac in the store, and actually use banked tp that we have to buy it. Yes that is right on the lotro forums its been a rather hot topic about the fact they don't want folks using tp (turbine points) to buy the xpac. Something that was promised. They said at a later date they might add it.
Really??? Well you'll have to convince me of that.
It's been a very long time however I don't remember any mention of Azog the orc king of Moria in anything Tolkien wrote, however the whole story of your character being in Moria surrounds itself around this Azog character that doesn't appear in any of Tolkien's books from what I can remember.
In that case you might not have realized that there is more to Tolkien's work than the "books".
Azog is a creation of Tolkien and he slew King Thror.
At the end of the War of Dwarves and Orcs, Thrain cut off Azog's head and stuck it on a pike.
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Turbine had and still has a very fine line to walk: Keep to the lore as much as possible while trying to make a game out of it.
Personally I think that they have done a pretty good job so far, and from what I read they will bring Orthanc and the Gap of Isen to life very closely to what is depicted in the books.
What people should not do is confuse the gaming aspect of Lotro with its lore aspect. While I hate the gaming systems they have introduced, not to mention the cash shop, the general feeling you get while questing is that you are actually in Middle Earth.
Sure, the lore fanatics, myself included, will not enjoy several storylines, creatures, vistas, etc. but the general feeling remains that you are walking and fighting in Tolkien's world. If I want a full immersion I still read the books again of course
Cant wait for the expansion... I want that 5 minutes of my life back i spent skimming over all the comments... Wow, people will literally argue over anything online. Anyway, thats all the time that I personally have to type on here, since I actually spend my free time PLAYING games not arguing about them lmao
Tolkien was not high fantasy. It was low fantasy. Magic was rare. Turbine's "middle earth" has become a generic fantasy world. For those who read Tolkien as a child it is quite sad to see the uniqueness of that world get trashed for profit.
I realy do not think you understand what high fantasy means: High Fantasy is a subgenre of Fantasy that is set in an wholy invented world, which is what Middle Earth is. Tolkien created language and a history for Middle Earth which is the Epitomy of what High Fantasy is.
So when you wrote Tolkien was not high fantasy, it's actually insulting to him and all he invented; you may aswell have said bread is not food.
The definition of low fantasy is one that is set in the real world or a farmiliar world with magic; Hobbits are not the real world, Orcs are not the real world; Elves are not the real world; Man is, but as the others are not, the definition of Middle Earth is High Fantasy.
I personally think Turbine have done a good job creating Middle Earth within an MMORPG environment. It is not identical to the Books, but it will never be and if you expect it to be you are setting yourself up for a fall.
Concerning the High Fantasy definition, it is not my opinion and I pulled it from the web; but I agree with the definition that Middle Earth is high fantasy.
I do not want to start and argument, but to some people, me included, Tolkien was an amazing human being who was able to create an amazing world from his imagination; he was an amazing storyteller too.
Back to the topic, I am looking forward to the update and think the F2P model is bringing Turbine's rendition of Tolkien's world to more people, which can only be a good thing.
I thought I might be tempted to return at the next serious expansion. I'm not.
First. All these Dunland clans and their diversity, one clan raising their dead, it simply doesn't ring true as Middle Earth. It is colourful and generic high fantasy. It is Turbine adding a region and then stuffing it full.
Tolkien was not high fantasy. It was low fantasy. Magic was rare. Turbine's "middle earth" has become a generic fantasy world. For those who read Tolkien as a child it is quite sad to see the uniqueness of that world get trashed for profit.
98% of all quests and content in Lotro are based off of the novels. That inculdes the novels Tolkien wrote other the the famous trilogy.
You do know there are other novels of Middle Earth lore right? Not to mention that Turbine is having to stretch lore out and expand on to make enough content to last several years because otehrwise it wouldn't take too long to go through everything in one go.
If you are a fan of Toklien's works, be glad there is any appreciation shown to his works rather than none at all I would suggest.
Really??? Well you'll have to convince me of that.
It's been a very long time however I don't remember any mention of Azog the orc king of Moria in anything Tolkien wrote, however the whole story of your character being in Moria surrounds itself around this Azog character that doesn't appear in any of Tolkien's books from what I can remember.
I'd say less than 50% of what's in the game is actually in the literature. Then again I haven't read much other than the trilogy so please share the titles of other Tolkien books from which Lotro is getting it's story line from. I am very interested in reading them.
Are you being serious? If you are truly interested enough in the lore to have it be a deciding factor in your enjoyment of the MMO, you might want to check out the hobbit, the silmarillion, and the history of middle-earth to get a better understanding of just how well Turbine brought middle-earth to life.
Edit: Azog is mentioned here:
The Hobbit: "An Unexpected Party," p. 33; "The Clouds Burst," p. 292
People who pick apart a game because it does not match lore in a book should go burry their head in the sand. A fantasy book usually brings to life a story in a imaginary world, it generally does not cover all the lore in the world. Even Tolkien, with all his books only addresses a miniscule portion of his imaginary world.
I bet Tolkien would be thrilled to see what Turbine has brought to life in his world of middle earth.
Tolkien was not high fantasy. It was low fantasy. Magic was rare. Turbine's "middle earth" has become a generic fantasy world. For those who read Tolkien as a child it is quite sad to see the uniqueness of that world get trashed for profit.
Actually, Middle Earth is probably one of the most magical fantasy worlds there is. Though it's really more of a "holy magic", and not terribly vulgar in most cases. For example, did you know that elves have a another form, composed entirely of light? That trees are sentient? Surely you know that some birds are the spies of Sauron?
It could be argued that Middle Earth doesn't seem terribly magical because in truth pretty much EVERYTHING is magical. Sure, there's no "Flippy the Frog Boy" but anyplace with something like "The Grey Havens". The Valar? Elbereth? Cripe, that dork Tom Bombadil is practically a God on Earth!
Tolkien was not high fantasy. It was low fantasy. Magic was rare. Turbine's "middle earth" has become a generic fantasy world. For those who read Tolkien as a child it is quite sad to see the uniqueness of that world get trashed for profit.
Actually, Middle Earth is probably one of the most magical fantasy worlds there is. Though it's really more of a "holy magic", and not terribly vulgar in most cases. For example, did you know that elves have a another form, composed entirely of light? That trees are sentient? Surely you know that some birds are the spies of Sauron?
It could be argued that Middle Earth doesn't seem terribly magical because in truth pretty much EVERYTHING is magical. Sure, there's no "Flippy the Frog Boy" but anyplace with something like "The Grey Havens". The Valar? Elbereth? Cripe, that dork Tom Bombadil is practically a God on Earth!
Ok, I'll try to draw a contrast between, books, movies and LOTRO to try and show what I mean by the treatment of magic users:
Consider the first confrontation of Gandalf and Saruman, when Gandalf visits Saruman to ask for advice. In the books there is no grand battle between the wizards, we simply have "He [Saruman] laughed at me, for my words were empty, and he knew it."
Peter Jackson turns this into one of the most compelling scenes of the movies. The battle is gritty, sombre, a violent contest of wills between the two. There is a kind of telekinesis. However, there is no flashy, colourful magic.
In LOTRO, we have elves and dwarves popping and fizzing fire and cold, throwing magical lightning at boars like there is no tomorrow. Just like in every other fantasy MMO out there.
By low fantasy I mean that Tolkien's world was not a separate world from ours, according to Tolkien it was supposed to be our world as an alternative history of ancient times. And especially at the time of the tale of the ring, magic and elves were fading. Things were supposed to pretty much work as our world works.
"High fantasy is defined as fantasy fiction set in an alternative, entirely fictional ("secondary") world, rather than the real, or "primary" world. The secondary world is usually internally consistent but its rules differ in some way(s) from those of the primary world. By contrast, low fantasy is characterized by being set in the primary, or "real" world, or a rational and familiar fictional world, with the inclusion of magical elements."
And yes, Toliken's world surely includes all sorts of magical elements - I'm familiar with all the things you mention. I think the point is that where Turbine showed restraint early in the game - the loremaster, for example, was promised to be the closest they ever came to having a magic using class - they later abandoned this restraint.
Tolkien was not high fantasy. It was low fantasy. Magic was rare. Turbine's "middle earth" has become a generic fantasy world. For those who read Tolkien as a child it is quite sad to see the uniqueness of that world get trashed for profit.
I realy do not think you understand what high fantasy means: High Fantasy is a subgenre of Fantasy that is set in an wholy invented world, which is what Middle Earth is. Tolkien created language and a history for Middle Earth which is the Epitomy of what High Fantasy is.
So when you wrote Tolkien was not high fantasy, it's actually insulting to him and all he invented; you may aswell have said bread is not food.
The definition of low fantasy is one that is set in the real world or a farmiliar world with magic; Hobbits are not the real world, Orcs are not the real world; Elves are not the real world; Man is, but as the others are not, the definition of Middle Earth is High Fantasy.
I personally think Turbine have done a good job creating Middle Earth within an MMORPG environment. It is not identical to the Books, but it will never be and if you expect it to be you are setting yourself up for a fall.
Concerning the High Fantasy definition, it is not my opinion and I pulled it from the web; but I agree with the definition that Middle Earth is high fantasy.
I do not want to start and argument, but to some people, me included, Tolkien was an amazing human being who was able to create an amazing world from his imagination; he was an amazing storyteller too.
Back to the topic, I am looking forward to the update and think the F2P model is bringing Turbine's rendition of Tolkien's world to more people, which can only be a good thing.
Here's a link to add to your comments about what is "high fantasy". Tolkein is actually used as a good example of high fantasy. btw the guy who didn't know who Azog was...priceless.
Tolkien was not high fantasy. It was low fantasy. Magic was rare. Turbine's "middle earth" has become a generic fantasy world. For those who read Tolkien as a child it is quite sad to see the uniqueness of that world get trashed for profit.
Actually, Middle Earth is probably one of the most magical fantasy worlds there is. Though it's really more of a "holy magic", and not terribly vulgar in most cases. For example, did you know that elves have a another form, composed entirely of light? That trees are sentient? Surely you know that some birds are the spies of Sauron?
It could be argued that Middle Earth doesn't seem terribly magical because in truth pretty much EVERYTHING is magical. Sure, there's no "Flippy the Frog Boy" but anyplace with something like "The Grey Havens". The Valar? Elbereth? Cripe, that dork Tom Bombadil is practically a God on Earth!
Ok, I'll try to draw a contrast between, books, movies and LOTRO to try and show what I mean by the treatment of magic users:
Consider the first confrontation of Gandalf and Saruman, when Gandalf visits Saruman to ask for advice. In the books there is no grand battle between the wizards, we simply have "He [Saruman] laughed at me, for my words were empty, and he knew it."
Peter Jackson turns this into one of the most compelling scenes of the movies. The battle is gritty, sombre, a violent contest of wills between the two. There is a kind of telekinesis. However, there is no flashy, colourful magic.
In LOTRO, we have elves and dwarves popping and fizzing fire and cold, throwing magical lightning at boars like there is no tomorrow. Just like in every other fantasy MMO out there.
By low fantasy I mean that Tolkien's world was not a separate world from ours, according to Tolkien it was supposed to be our world as an alternative history of ancient times. And especially at the time of the tale of the ring, magic and elves were fading. Things were supposed to pretty much work as our world works.
"High fantasy is defined as fantasy fiction set in an alternative, entirely fictional ("secondary") world, rather than the real, or "primary" world. The secondary world is usually internally consistent but its rules differ in some way(s) from those of the primary world. By contrast, low fantasy is characterized by being set in the primary, or "real" world, or a rational and familiar fictional world, with the inclusion of magical elements."
And yes, Toliken's world surely includes all sorts of magical elements - I'm familiar with all the things you mention. I think the point is that where Turbine showed restraint early in the game - the loremaster, for example, was promised to be the closest they ever came to having a magic using class - they later abandoned this restraint.
Well it is called imagination and you obviously lack that quality. I rather feel sorry for you because it opens up worlds of wonder.
I had 2 lifetime accounts one for me and the wife. Neither of us have played since it went free to play. In fact the last time she played was 2 months after SOM, I beta tested teh free to play junk.
I have made the decision to wait until they live up to their promise of putting the xpac in the store, and actually use banked tp that we have to buy it. Yes that is right on the lotro forums its been a rather hot topic about the fact they don't want folks using tp (turbine points) to buy the xpac. Something that was promised. They said at a later date they might add it.
Turbine has a habit of ripping off their customers. ACII expansion released, followed emmediately by shutting down the game servers. One last opportunity to buy a lifetime subscription to LOTRO right before they turn the game F2P. Making LOTRO F2P after promising they would keep it P2P when they switched DDO.
It should not suprise anyone that they lied about making the expansion available in the turbine store.
I had 2 lifetime accounts one for me and the wife. Neither of us have played since it went free to play. In fact the last time she played was 2 months after SOM, I beta tested teh free to play junk.
I have made the decision to wait until they live up to their promise of putting the xpac in the store, and actually use banked tp that we have to buy it. Yes that is right on the lotro forums its been a rather hot topic about the fact they don't want folks using tp (turbine points) to buy the xpac. Something that was promised. They said at a later date they might add it.
Turbine has a habit of ripping off their customers. ACII expansion released, followed emmediately by shutting down the game servers. One last opportunity to buy a lifetime subscription to LOTRO right before they turn the game F2P. Making LOTRO F2P after promising they would keep it P2P when they switched DDO.
It should not suprise anyone that they lied about making the expansion available in the turbine store.
First off, Turbine never promised to keep Lotro p2p when they released DDO, they said they were not considering it at that time. All the expansions are in the item shop now, except for the new one, I expect the new one will be there eventually.
As to the whining of the lifetime subscribers, when you bought the lifetime subscription it specifically said that it did NOT include the expansions. With the free to play version and your monthly points you can get all expansions if you like for free. So it is actually better than it was when it was p2p for you. Hope you realize how silly you sound.
Well it is called imagination and you obviously lack that quality. I rather feel sorry for you because it opens up worlds of wonder.
It is the opposite problem. I imagined Middle Earth too strongly! I have a vivid picture of how it is supposed to be from reading the books many times. Turbine's version, at least since Moria, jarrs with my own.
It is all a matter of where people's "lore line" is. I'm sure if they added flying griffons or witches on broom sticks, more than a few would be scratching their heads and wondering if it was still supposed to be Tolkien. Or are those people also just lacking imagination?
All I needed to read was 'Monster Play is going F2P', Finally!! That should have happened when the game itself went F2P, for the life of me I never understood why it did not. And I read on the website that they are finally revamping it as well, which is long, very long overdue. When this happens I will gladly go back to the game and happily pay to get all the monster classes unlocked. Even though I liked the rest of the game, as soon I hit the PvMP I was pretty much hooked on it, but their failure to do anything to the Etenmoors(think thats how you spell it) was very aggrevating, they just put it in there and seemed to neglect/ignore/not care anymore. And a lot of people really enjoyed it.
Hopefully when this expac hits it will bring new life into it and I can once again enjoy the Etenmoors(SP?)
I had 2 lifetime accounts one for me and the wife. Neither of us have played since it went free to play. In fact the last time she played was 2 months after SOM, I beta tested teh free to play junk.
I have made the decision to wait until they live up to their promise of putting the xpac in the store, and actually use banked tp that we have to buy it. Yes that is right on the lotro forums its been a rather hot topic about the fact they don't want folks using tp (turbine points) to buy the xpac. Something that was promised. They said at a later date they might add it.
Turbine has a habit of ripping off their customers. ACII expansion released, followed emmediately by shutting down the game servers. One last opportunity to buy a lifetime subscription to LOTRO right before they turn the game F2P. Making LOTRO F2P after promising they would keep it P2P when they switched DDO.
It should not suprise anyone that they lied about making the expansion available in the turbine store.
AC2 was a catastrophe. No argument there.
They never promised LotR would stay P2P. They said the same 'ole "no intentions to at the time schlock" during that affair. Anyone that plans on playing the game for some time does make out on the lifetime sub considering it comes with a monthly supply of points as the VIP. No reason to spend any more money after that if you did get the lifetime sub.
What difference does it make if the expansion is in the store now? It is preorder bullshit anyways. It will be available in the store when the game launches. I suppose for those that enjoy spending a few extra thousand points so they get a doll, some cloaks for their avatar, and bragging rights that they have the expansion purchased before the masses do it's a raw deal but for the rest it shouldn't really matter.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
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I had 2 lifetime accounts one for me and the wife. Neither of us have played since it went free to play. In fact the last time she played was 2 months after SOM, I beta tested teh free to play junk.
I have made the decision to wait until they live up to their promise of putting the xpac in the store, and actually use banked tp that we have to buy it. Yes that is right on the lotro forums its been a rather hot topic about the fact they don't want folks using tp (turbine points) to buy the xpac. Something that was promised. They said at a later date they might add it.
In that case you might not have realized that there is more to Tolkien's work than the "books".
Azog is a creation of Tolkien and he slew King Thror.
At the end of the War of Dwarves and Orcs, Thrain cut off Azog's head and stuck it on a pike.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
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Turbine had and still has a very fine line to walk: Keep to the lore as much as possible while trying to make a game out of it.
Personally I think that they have done a pretty good job so far, and from what I read they will bring Orthanc and the Gap of Isen to life very closely to what is depicted in the books.
What people should not do is confuse the gaming aspect of Lotro with its lore aspect. While I hate the gaming systems they have introduced, not to mention the cash shop, the general feeling you get while questing is that you are actually in Middle Earth.
Sure, the lore fanatics, myself included, will not enjoy several storylines, creatures, vistas, etc. but the general feeling remains that you are walking and fighting in Tolkien's world. If I want a full immersion I still read the books again of course
Cant wait for the expansion... I want that 5 minutes of my life back i spent skimming over all the comments... Wow, people will literally argue over anything online. Anyway, thats all the time that I personally have to type on here, since I actually spend my free time PLAYING games not arguing about them lmao
I realy do not think you understand what high fantasy means: High Fantasy is a subgenre of Fantasy that is set in an wholy invented world, which is what Middle Earth is. Tolkien created language and a history for Middle Earth which is the Epitomy of what High Fantasy is.
So when you wrote Tolkien was not high fantasy, it's actually insulting to him and all he invented; you may aswell have said bread is not food.
The definition of low fantasy is one that is set in the real world or a farmiliar world with magic; Hobbits are not the real world, Orcs are not the real world; Elves are not the real world; Man is, but as the others are not, the definition of Middle Earth is High Fantasy.
I personally think Turbine have done a good job creating Middle Earth within an MMORPG environment. It is not identical to the Books, but it will never be and if you expect it to be you are setting yourself up for a fall.
Concerning the High Fantasy definition, it is not my opinion and I pulled it from the web; but I agree with the definition that Middle Earth is high fantasy.
I do not want to start and argument, but to some people, me included, Tolkien was an amazing human being who was able to create an amazing world from his imagination; he was an amazing storyteller too.
Back to the topic, I am looking forward to the update and think the F2P model is bringing Turbine's rendition of Tolkien's world to more people, which can only be a good thing.
You are certainly correct...Azog the goblin killed Thorins grandfather Thor in the Mines of Moria.
People who pick apart a game because it does not match lore in a book should go burry their head in the sand. A fantasy book usually brings to life a story in a imaginary world, it generally does not cover all the lore in the world. Even Tolkien, with all his books only addresses a miniscule portion of his imaginary world.
I bet Tolkien would be thrilled to see what Turbine has brought to life in his world of middle earth.
Actually, Middle Earth is probably one of the most magical fantasy worlds there is. Though it's really more of a "holy magic", and not terribly vulgar in most cases. For example, did you know that elves have a another form, composed entirely of light? That trees are sentient? Surely you know that some birds are the spies of Sauron?
It could be argued that Middle Earth doesn't seem terribly magical because in truth pretty much EVERYTHING is magical. Sure, there's no "Flippy the Frog Boy" but anyplace with something like "The Grey Havens". The Valar? Elbereth? Cripe, that dork Tom Bombadil is practically a God on Earth!
I agree. Lotro has everything that I want in a mmorpg and it does it all very well.
4 years and they still have not fixed it yet, this has been a known problem for along time and they do nothing to fix it, shame
Ok, I'll try to draw a contrast between, books, movies and LOTRO to try and show what I mean by the treatment of magic users:
Consider the first confrontation of Gandalf and Saruman, when Gandalf visits Saruman to ask for advice. In the books there is no grand battle between the wizards, we simply have "He [Saruman] laughed at me, for my words were empty, and he knew it."
Peter Jackson turns this into one of the most compelling scenes of the movies. The battle is gritty, sombre, a violent contest of wills between the two. There is a kind of telekinesis. However, there is no flashy, colourful magic.
In LOTRO, we have elves and dwarves popping and fizzing fire and cold, throwing magical lightning at boars like there is no tomorrow. Just like in every other fantasy MMO out there.
By low fantasy I mean that Tolkien's world was not a separate world from ours, according to Tolkien it was supposed to be our world as an alternative history of ancient times. And especially at the time of the tale of the ring, magic and elves were fading. Things were supposed to pretty much work as our world works.
"High fantasy is defined as fantasy fiction set in an alternative, entirely fictional ("secondary") world, rather than the real, or "primary" world. The secondary world is usually internally consistent but its rules differ in some way(s) from those of the primary world. By contrast, low fantasy is characterized by being set in the primary, or "real" world, or a rational and familiar fictional world, with the inclusion of magical elements."
And yes, Toliken's world surely includes all sorts of magical elements - I'm familiar with all the things you mention. I think the point is that where Turbine showed restraint early in the game - the loremaster, for example, was promised to be the closest they ever came to having a magic using class - they later abandoned this restraint.
Well, I hope. ^^ Much in LOTRO was done well.
Still, LOTRO will be 5 years old when TOR comes out, so I also expect *some* things to be evolved.
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Boring... The game lacks end game, such a failure.
Here's a link to add to your comments about what is "high fantasy". Tolkein is actually used as a good example of high fantasy.
btw the guy who didn't know who Azog was...priceless.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fantasy
Well it is called imagination and you obviously lack that quality. I rather feel sorry for you because it opens up worlds of wonder.
Lacks end-game?
There is probably around 20 end-game instances in the game and that is not counting skirmishes,scaling instances and epic quests.
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
Turbine has a habit of ripping off their customers. ACII expansion released, followed emmediately by shutting down the game servers. One last opportunity to buy a lifetime subscription to LOTRO right before they turn the game F2P. Making LOTRO F2P after promising they would keep it P2P when they switched DDO.
It should not suprise anyone that they lied about making the expansion available in the turbine store.
First off, Turbine never promised to keep Lotro p2p when they released DDO, they said they were not considering it at that time. All the expansions are in the item shop now, except for the new one, I expect the new one will be there eventually.
As to the whining of the lifetime subscribers, when you bought the lifetime subscription it specifically said that it did NOT include the expansions. With the free to play version and your monthly points you can get all expansions if you like for free. So it is actually better than it was when it was p2p for you. Hope you realize how silly you sound.
It is the opposite problem.
I imagined Middle Earth too strongly! I have a vivid picture of how it is supposed to be from reading the books many times. Turbine's version, at least since Moria, jarrs with my own.
It is all a matter of where people's "lore line" is. I'm sure if they added flying griffons or witches on broom sticks, more than a few would be scratching their heads and wondering if it was still supposed to be Tolkien. Or are those people also just lacking imagination?
All I needed to read was 'Monster Play is going F2P', Finally!! That should have happened when the game itself went F2P, for the life of me I never understood why it did not. And I read on the website that they are finally revamping it as well, which is long, very long overdue. When this happens I will gladly go back to the game and happily pay to get all the monster classes unlocked. Even though I liked the rest of the game, as soon I hit the PvMP I was pretty much hooked on it, but their failure to do anything to the Etenmoors(think thats how you spell it) was very aggrevating, they just put it in there and seemed to neglect/ignore/not care anymore. And a lot of people really enjoyed it.
Hopefully when this expac hits it will bring new life into it and I can once again enjoy the Etenmoors(SP?)
AC2 was a catastrophe. No argument there.
They never promised LotR would stay P2P. They said the same 'ole "no intentions to at the time schlock" during that affair. Anyone that plans on playing the game for some time does make out on the lifetime sub considering it comes with a monthly supply of points as the VIP. No reason to spend any more money after that if you did get the lifetime sub.
What difference does it make if the expansion is in the store now? It is preorder bullshit anyways. It will be available in the store when the game launches. I suppose for those that enjoy spending a few extra thousand points so they get a doll, some cloaks for their avatar, and bragging rights that they have the expansion purchased before the masses do it's a raw deal but for the rest it shouldn't really matter.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Has it really been 4 years already?
Wow, time flies.
The update looks interesting enough.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
and we have a winner, best joke ever
He that lives upon Hope dies farting.
omg omg omg... free monster play?? woooohooooo
Thats all the end game I ever need