The games would have "failed" (and there are very few games that have "failed") or better yet, "had issues" because of their own special little problems.
It has nothing to do with p2p.
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when the game gets ruined by negativity on forums and ingame players spoiling the game in chat.
Am I right ?
Well, no, you are not "right." You are presenting - repeatedly, as I read your multiple posts- your opinion regarding the conduct of other players which has a negative impact on your gaming experience and which, therefore, is right for you... but not necessarily for everyone else.
Just as your opinion is valid and you have every right to it, so, too, are the opinions of others. Negativity and good or bad press does not impact my gameplay in the least because I tune it out and enjoy games for what they are or do not enjoy them for what they are not to me personally.
It seems to me that the crux of your complaint here is community and not publishers because that it what you keep coming back to.
But to answer your basic question, no. It is not at all wrong or improper for a company to charge what is, in effect, a minimal monthly fee for the maintenance of the servers and ongoing maintenance and development of a live, persistent online world and the support staff when players expect immediate technical and service support for that imaginary world they are paying fifty cents a day - less than two cents per hour - to play in. Boiling those numbers down even further, on initial purchase, you are paying $25-45USD for the game (initial purchase prices ranging from $40USD to $60USD) and the remaining $15USD is paying for your first month's subscription. It's not free; it is included into the purchase price.
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Maybe MMO is not your genre, go play Modern Warfare...or something you can be all twitchy...and rank up all night. This is seriously getting tired. -Ranyr
This implies that anything with a subscription is illegal, tha's just odd.
What im trying to dsay is there is two mmo payment models that work for the mmo experience.
There is one payment model that causes major problems for the mmo epxperience in eacgh game after the first month, this is the pay to play games !!!
We should not be forced by companies to continue paying upfront for a game as well as a sub if this model fails and there are two other payment models that work well for the game developersd and gamers alike
Thats my point and i think its illegal for companies insisting on me paying for a game up front with a sub option when most times im leaving after the first month or second.
i am one of the players that comes from the era where you could play mmos for years at a time and still get something out of them. I dont feel i should be forced to pay upfront for SWTOr when i knowe for afact compaliniers are going to ruin the game experience and the forums too after about 2 weeks of the game going live.
SWTOR is going to go down this road im pretty sure. Im not wanting it too im wanting the pay to play model to work but currently with the gmaer base of today, it causes problems for the mmo experiece in the mmo game
They didn't hold a "Wizard's Staff of Lightning" to your head. You chose to pay for it. Nothing illegal about that.
Welcome to the real world OP, a world that does not follow the same drum beat as you do. Unsub>delete>shut up>move on.
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In the words of the immortal Inigo Montoya, "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. " I don't think you know what the world illegal means. Those companies did not do anything illegal and I'm sure they really wanted their respective games to succeed but if they couldn't get people to stick around and create a good player base, it just means the game wasn't good enough or was overpriced. If they intentionally knew that the game would fail after a month, that still isn't illegal but only a matter of ethics. Besides, I doubt if they could make enough money from a month of people paying for a month to recoup all the manpower hours and money they spent in making their respective games in the first place.
No, you are not. First off, as many others have pointed out, there is nothing illegal involved here; you pay for the intial game and get the 30 free days packaged into that. If you don't like it, then you simnply cancel your subscription before the initial game time runs out. Now if you paid for the copy of the game and couldn't log in for the first month of release because the game never actually existed, then that would be illegal (fraud to be exact). No, this does not count for days they are down due to patching or other maintenance. Now if they are down for an extended amount of time, then it would be good public relations for them to extend that initial thirty days before charging you, but they do not have to do so. I reccomend actually reading the EULA/ToS sometime.
Secondly you are making an assumption that a player base drop off is entirely linked to the subscription model; this is also wrong. AoC and FFXIV were both games that launched in an absolutely horrible state (to be fair, FFXIV apeears to have had a far worse launch than AoC, but both are problem ridden). This isn't a problem that is directly linked to payment method either; there have been many gorrible free to play games as well.
Next let's look at your fail comment. While there may prehaps be a whole batch of MMOs that you didn't like, very few games have actually failed. A failed MMO is a MMO that has shut down, and there are precious few of those out there; with over 400 games listed on this website, there have only been a handful that have actually launched and then shut down; currently around 1% of the total MMO market. People need to stop using the term failed when speaking of MMOs, until such time as they actually do fail (by closing down permanently). A MMO may not be meeting expectations, either of the players and/or the devs, but it hasn't failed until it is permanently shut down.
Finally, you go on in your post like subscription pricing models are the only type of business model available. Where have you been for several years? You have susbscriptions, free to play, and the newly popular hybrid/freemium model. As for negativity in forums and such? I have to ask, where have you been living since the invention of the internet? It's part of the experience here, and has been since the early days of the intenet; that's why most forums and games give you options to ignore players (on these forums, it is the block feature). There is also a feature to report those that break the ToS, such as making racist remarks or harassing you. Everyone should know this by now; that's why the ToS, and ignore/report features exist. Claiming it is the company's fault for people using the anonimity of the internet is foolish to the point of being absurd. Trying to use that as an excuse for why subscription pricing is somehow illegal is even worse.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
Like everyone else has stated, it is far from illegal. However, I understand your point. It simply boils down to the buyer needs to do their own research on a game before jumping in over unfounded hype. Buyer beware.
This is a rediculous thread and a complete waste of time, none of these games failed because of the P2P model, it was because they were uncomplete games or just plain bad.
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@op: no.
The games would have "failed" (and there are very few games that have "failed") or better yet, "had issues" because of their own special little problems.
It has nothing to do with p2p.
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Well, no, you are not "right." You are presenting - repeatedly, as I read your multiple posts- your opinion regarding the conduct of other players which has a negative impact on your gaming experience and which, therefore, is right for you... but not necessarily for everyone else.
Just as your opinion is valid and you have every right to it, so, too, are the opinions of others. Negativity and good or bad press does not impact my gameplay in the least because I tune it out and enjoy games for what they are or do not enjoy them for what they are not to me personally.
It seems to me that the crux of your complaint here is community and not publishers because that it what you keep coming back to.
But to answer your basic question, no. It is not at all wrong or improper for a company to charge what is, in effect, a minimal monthly fee for the maintenance of the servers and ongoing maintenance and development of a live, persistent online world and the support staff when players expect immediate technical and service support for that imaginary world they are paying fifty cents a day - less than two cents per hour - to play in. Boiling those numbers down even further, on initial purchase, you are paying $25-45USD for the game (initial purchase prices ranging from $40USD to $60USD) and the remaining $15USD is paying for your first month's subscription. It's not free; it is included into the purchase price.
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"You are obviously confusing a mature rating with actual maturity." -Asherman
Maybe MMO is not your genre, go play Modern Warfare...or something you can be all twitchy...and rank up all night. This is seriously getting tired. -Ranyr
They didn't hold a "Wizard's Staff of Lightning" to your head. You chose to pay for it. Nothing illegal about that.
Welcome to the real world OP, a world that does not follow the same drum beat as you do. Unsub>delete>shut up>move on.
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To the thread creator:
In the words of the immortal Inigo Montoya, "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. " I don't think you know what the world illegal means. Those companies did not do anything illegal and I'm sure they really wanted their respective games to succeed but if they couldn't get people to stick around and create a good player base, it just means the game wasn't good enough or was overpriced. If they intentionally knew that the game would fail after a month, that still isn't illegal but only a matter of ethics. Besides, I doubt if they could make enough money from a month of people paying for a month to recoup all the manpower hours and money they spent in making their respective games in the first place.
No, you are not. First off, as many others have pointed out, there is nothing illegal involved here; you pay for the intial game and get the 30 free days packaged into that. If you don't like it, then you simnply cancel your subscription before the initial game time runs out. Now if you paid for the copy of the game and couldn't log in for the first month of release because the game never actually existed, then that would be illegal (fraud to be exact). No, this does not count for days they are down due to patching or other maintenance. Now if they are down for an extended amount of time, then it would be good public relations for them to extend that initial thirty days before charging you, but they do not have to do so. I reccomend actually reading the EULA/ToS sometime.
Secondly you are making an assumption that a player base drop off is entirely linked to the subscription model; this is also wrong. AoC and FFXIV were both games that launched in an absolutely horrible state (to be fair, FFXIV apeears to have had a far worse launch than AoC, but both are problem ridden). This isn't a problem that is directly linked to payment method either; there have been many gorrible free to play games as well.
Next let's look at your fail comment. While there may prehaps be a whole batch of MMOs that you didn't like, very few games have actually failed. A failed MMO is a MMO that has shut down, and there are precious few of those out there; with over 400 games listed on this website, there have only been a handful that have actually launched and then shut down; currently around 1% of the total MMO market. People need to stop using the term failed when speaking of MMOs, until such time as they actually do fail (by closing down permanently). A MMO may not be meeting expectations, either of the players and/or the devs, but it hasn't failed until it is permanently shut down.
Finally, you go on in your post like subscription pricing models are the only type of business model available. Where have you been for several years? You have susbscriptions, free to play, and the newly popular hybrid/freemium model. As for negativity in forums and such? I have to ask, where have you been living since the invention of the internet? It's part of the experience here, and has been since the early days of the intenet; that's why most forums and games give you options to ignore players (on these forums, it is the block feature). There is also a feature to report those that break the ToS, such as making racist remarks or harassing you. Everyone should know this by now; that's why the ToS, and ignore/report features exist. Claiming it is the company's fault for people using the anonimity of the internet is foolish to the point of being absurd. Trying to use that as an excuse for why subscription pricing is somehow illegal is even worse.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
Like everyone else has stated, it is far from illegal. However, I understand your point. It simply boils down to the buyer needs to do their own research on a game before jumping in over unfounded hype. Buyer beware.
This is a rediculous thread and a complete waste of time, none of these games failed because of the P2P model, it was because they were uncomplete games or just plain bad.
Karasu Linkshell for Final fantasy 14 now accepting all members! Just head on over to karasuls.shivtr.com and apply now! Linkshell info is on the site.