I would argue while they are micro-transactions shops, everything in sto you can buy worth a dime; ships, pets etc... can all be earned in game. The difference between that and CCP's version is the cost factor and the fact that in EVE the economy is the base of the conflict of the game , basically the core of the concept of the whole reason for EVE's existence. STO doesn't have such a reliance and everything (pretty much) worth getting is obtainable in a reasonable amount of time playing or you can cash out and get it now.
While STO items improve game play and looks, it doesn't change the actual game over-all, I would argue that EVE cash box does this in an epic scale , while currently it's only cosmetic, I would bet anyone willing to take the bet a 100 bucks, they WILL add items that will change game play. STO has it, but it's so basic and the small "changes" you get are fun and all, but nothing game breaking and again very easily obtainable in game play.
yea, I sound like some huge fanboy of STO, I like the game yes, the new season 4 release improves combat and many other things for me personally I will enjoy it more. In no way is it the guildwars 2 of MMO's, but it's descent. However comparing that to EVE's new model? Once they release enhance game items it will be nothing like it. The mechanics in their game make that impossible to do without effecting the total balance of power and basic fundamental workings of the game.
"The monster created isn't by the company that makes the game, it's by the fans that make it something it never was"
CCP is not going to say they will never make a cash shop!
Why?
Be course they havent decided yet.
Simple.
What was leaked was a document menat to promote internal discussion on the subject. To say they wont do it, before having made an internal decission either way is silly.
The nerd rage is uncalled for.
Funny thing is that with an avarage EvE player active play life between ½ - 1 year, most of the "rage quitters" would have quit anyways before such a change would even get near the live server.
It would be funny if it wasnt sad. The level og stupidity at show in the nerd e-rage on the eve forums is amazing. The few point that are valid are getting drowned:
* We need a disembark button and the old station shipview back.
* And... Oh... THats about it.
Regards,
Qual - In eve since may 2003.
So you believe CCP is keeping faith with the EVE community by charging the price of an expansion pack for a small cosnmetic item?
CCP is not going to say they will never make a cash shop!
Why?
Be course they havent decided yet.
Simple.
What was leaked was a document menat to promote internal discussion on the subject. To say they wont do it, before having made an internal decission either way is silly.
The nerd rage is uncalled for.
Funny thing is that with an avarage EvE player active play life between ½ - 1 year, most of the "rage quitters" would have quit anyways before such a change would even get near the live server.
It would be funny if it wasnt sad. The level og stupidity at show in the nerd e-rage on the eve forums is amazing. The few point that are valid are getting drowned:
* We need a disembark button and the old station shipview back.
* And... Oh... THats about it.
Regards,
Qual - In eve since may 2003.
So you believe CCP is keeping faith with the EVE community by charging the price of an expansion pack for a small cosnmetic item?
Why exactly do you think this is a goodf thing?
Nah, denial is the new "I'm right your wrong" approach to things people don't want to hear.
Another thread shed some very good light on the internal workings of CCP. Fun to work in, horrible in managment. This tells me that not much ever gets done and if it does get done , it gets done just like what has just transpired.
All the evidance from the memo's, dev logs and actually company information says it all. If one can't see the logic in that, well there is no hope.
The old phrase "going down with the sinking ship" comes to mind. Anyways, my last post on the subject, it's been a fun ride, but it's late and I got things to do tomorow. GL with the game for those that stay and to others.... There are games out there, just ask around ! I like STO and G&H atm.
"The monster created isn't by the company that makes the game, it's by the fans that make it something it never was"
As I've said before if you wait until it's implemented in the game then you've waited too late. Once it's in it'll never be removed, just ask the SWG vets. The time to voice concerns is now while it's only in the planning stage, not after it's in the game.
I think they may have underestimated this a bit. Many of the vets have multiple accounts, some as many as four or five accounts. Many are cancelling those accounts but hanging onto their main waiting and hoping CCP will reverse thier course. Those multiple accounts give the players a stronger voice than they would otherwise have.
You do know they have a China server right? Of course they will develop this feature no matter what for deployment there.
You cant stop that. This is not comparable to SWG.
What matters is not if they develop it. (They WILL do that for the Asia server) What matter is if they enable it on TQ (the west server).
Besides they allrady HAVE developed it. They could sell Officer Mods and Imperial Apocs tomorrow if they wanted to. You are too late from stopping them.
So, i'll wait and see what they do with it. If they sell Pay2Win items, I am gone. But I just dont think that will happen.
Choosing to sit at idle is the worst possible reaction you could have in a situation like this. This is the time to speak your mind. You won't get the chance later. You would be wise to heed BarakIII's logic, but something tells me you won't.
Fortunately, it appears that a great many EVE players do not share your eagerness to just settle for whatever bullshit is thrown in their direction. The difference between EVE players and your average mmo player is really showing.
Now, resume the position!
I realised one thing last night, discussing with the ragers in Jita:
You are too late. Too late by 3 years.
PLEX are the Pay2Win tool of EvE. AUR and NEX does not change anything. If you want to prevent Pay2Win in eve you have to fight what is allready there: PLEX.
You see, the only way you can get RL cash into the game is through PLEX. So every Pay2Win action will start as a PLEX purchase.
Funny enough noone wants to see PLEX go away, so by default people have allready accepted the CCP microtransaction Pay2Win model 3 years ago.
So if people where really serious about this they would ask CCP to remove PLEX, as thats the TRUE Pay2Win tool of EVE, and has been for 3 years.
Originally posted by Xondar123So you believe CCP is keeping faith with the EVE community by charging the price of an expansion pack for a small cosnmetic item?
Why exactly do you think this is a goodf thing?
Why do you think its a bad thing? Does someone paying the price of an expansion for a vanity item hurt you?
Besides that is not what the protesters are protesting about. Expet all those that dont knwo what they are protesting about of course... Which are most of them. Which really means that most people dont have a clue what the protests are about, be course there IS no real coherence in what the protests are about. But thats just a funny sidenote.
As I've said before if you wait until it's implemented in the game then you've waited too late. Once it's in it'll never be removed, just ask the SWG vets. The time to voice concerns is now while it's only in the planning stage, not after it's in the game.
I think they may have underestimated this a bit. Many of the vets have multiple accounts, some as many as four or five accounts. Many are cancelling those accounts but hanging onto their main waiting and hoping CCP will reverse thier course. Those multiple accounts give the players a stronger voice than they would otherwise have.
You do know they have a China server right? Of course they will develop this feature no matter what for deployment there.
You cant stop that. This is not comparable to SWG.
What matters is not if they develop it. (They WILL do that for the Asia server) What matter is if they enable it on TQ (the west server).
Besides they allrady HAVE developed it. They could sell Officer Mods and Imperial Apocs tomorrow if they wanted to. You are too late from stopping them.
So, i'll wait and see what they do with it. If they sell Pay2Win items, I am gone. But I just dont think that will happen.
Choosing to sit at idle is the worst possible reaction you could have in a situation like this. This is the time to speak your mind. You won't get the chance later. You would be wise to heed BarakIII's logic, but something tells me you won't.
Fortunately, it appears that a great many EVE players do not share your eagerness to just settle for whatever bullshit is thrown in their direction. The difference between EVE players and your average mmo player is really showing.
Now, resume the position!
I realised one thing last night, discussing with the ragers in Jita:
You are too late. Too late by 3 years.
PLEX are the Pay2Win tool of EvE. AUR and NEX does not change anything. If you want to prevent Pay2Win in eve you have to fight what is allready there: PLEX.
You see, the only way you can get RL cash into the game is through PLEX. So every Pay2Win action will start as a PLEX purchase.
Funny enough noone wants to see PLEX go away, so by default people have allready accepted the CCP microtransaction Pay2Win model 3 years ago.
So if people where really serious about this they would ask CCP to remove PLEX, as thats the TRUE Pay2Win tool of EVE, and has been for 3 years.
misguided and totally untrue.. but only someone who doesnt play Eve could make that mistake, there is nothing in Eve that you can buy, that will give you any kind of advantage, and if you use a plex in game you end up with 1 of 2 things.. an extra 30 days of play time.. or .. about 380 million isk.. anybody who thinks that somehow becomes pay to win.. has an agenda. i'd be interested in what game these people are recommending.
As I've said before if you wait until it's implemented in the game then you've waited too late. Once it's in it'll never be removed, just ask the SWG vets. The time to voice concerns is now while it's only in the planning stage, not after it's in the game.
I think they may have underestimated this a bit. Many of the vets have multiple accounts, some as many as four or five accounts. Many are cancelling those accounts but hanging onto their main waiting and hoping CCP will reverse thier course. Those multiple accounts give the players a stronger voice than they would otherwise have.
You do know they have a China server right? Of course they will develop this feature no matter what for deployment there.
You cant stop that. This is not comparable to SWG.
What matters is not if they develop it. (They WILL do that for the Asia server) What matter is if they enable it on TQ (the west server).
Besides they allrady HAVE developed it. They could sell Officer Mods and Imperial Apocs tomorrow if they wanted to. You are too late from stopping them.
So, i'll wait and see what they do with it. If they sell Pay2Win items, I am gone. But I just dont think that will happen.
Choosing to sit at idle is the worst possible reaction you could have in a situation like this. This is the time to speak your mind. You won't get the chance later. You would be wise to heed BarakIII's logic, but something tells me you won't.
Fortunately, it appears that a great many EVE players do not share your eagerness to just settle for whatever bullshit is thrown in their direction. The difference between EVE players and your average mmo player is really showing.
Now, resume the position!
I realised one thing last night, discussing with the ragers in Jita:
You are too late. Too late by 3 years.
PLEX are the Pay2Win tool of EvE. AUR and NEX does not change anything. If you want to prevent Pay2Win in eve you have to fight what is allready there: PLEX.
You see, the only way you can get RL cash into the game is through PLEX. So every Pay2Win action will start as a PLEX purchase.
Funny enough noone wants to see PLEX go away, so by default people have allready accepted the CCP microtransaction Pay2Win model 3 years ago.
So if people where really serious about this they would ask CCP to remove PLEX, as thats the TRUE Pay2Win tool of EVE, and has been for 3 years.
Sorry, but plex by itself is a different beast. Plex was introduced for one reason and one reason only, to fight 3rd party RMT; and it worked, rather well I might add. When people are selling plex for isk they still have to spend that isk in a player driven economy. When they start to add game play items to an MT shop like ships, ammunition, and mods you are attacking the very core of the game, the player driven economy.
If this were WoW I would act no differently. I accepted the sell of vanity items in WoW, I didn't like it, but I accepted it; but if they then started selling game play items that actually effect gameplay, then yeah I'd quit WoW or any other MMO over that too. If a developer wants to go F2P then go F2P, if they want to be P2P then be P2P. Doing both is just greedy beyond all reason.
As I've said before if you wait until it's implemented in the game then you've waited too late. Once it's in it'll never be removed, just ask the SWG vets. The time to voice concerns is now while it's only in the planning stage, not after it's in the game.
I think they may have underestimated this a bit. Many of the vets have multiple accounts, some as many as four or five accounts. Many are cancelling those accounts but hanging onto their main waiting and hoping CCP will reverse thier course. Those multiple accounts give the players a stronger voice than they would otherwise have.
You do know they have a China server right? Of course they will develop this feature no matter what for deployment there.
You cant stop that. This is not comparable to SWG.
What matters is not if they develop it. (They WILL do that for the Asia server) What matter is if they enable it on TQ (the west server).
Besides they allrady HAVE developed it. They could sell Officer Mods and Imperial Apocs tomorrow if they wanted to. You are too late from stopping them.
So, i'll wait and see what they do with it. If they sell Pay2Win items, I am gone. But I just dont think that will happen.
Choosing to sit at idle is the worst possible reaction you could have in a situation like this. This is the time to speak your mind. You won't get the chance later. You would be wise to heed BarakIII's logic, but something tells me you won't.
Fortunately, it appears that a great many EVE players do not share your eagerness to just settle for whatever bullshit is thrown in their direction. The difference between EVE players and your average mmo player is really showing.
Now, resume the position!
I realised one thing last night, discussing with the ragers in Jita:
You are too late. Too late by 3 years.
PLEX are the Pay2Win tool of EvE. AUR and NEX does not change anything. If you want to prevent Pay2Win in eve you have to fight what is allready there: PLEX.
You see, the only way you can get RL cash into the game is through PLEX. So every Pay2Win action will start as a PLEX purchase.
Funny enough noone wants to see PLEX go away, so by default people have allready accepted the CCP microtransaction Pay2Win model 3 years ago.
So if people where really serious about this they would ask CCP to remove PLEX, as thats the TRUE Pay2Win tool of EVE, and has been for 3 years.
Sorry, but plex by itself is a different beast. Plex was introduced for one reason and one reason only, to fight 3rd party RMT; and it worked, rather well I might add. When people are selling plex for isk they still have to spend that isk in a player driven economy. When they start to add game play items to an MT shop like ships, ammunition, and mods you are attacking the very core of the game, the player driven economy.
If this were WoW I would act no differently. I accepted the sell of vanity items in WoW, I didn't like it, but I accepted it; but if they then started selling game play items that actually effect gameplay, then yeah I'd quit WoW or any other MMO over that too. If a developer wants to go F2P then go F2P, if they want to be P2P then be P2P. Doing both is just greedy beyond all reason.
I know you were not the guy who said I obviously were not playing. I have played for 8 years. I am an industrialist. I know the argument.
And its wrong.
CCP did tell us how they would solve this: To get a vanity ship you will have to pay AUR and a base ship. Thus the normal industrial loop is still intact. (Research it and you will find a few dev quotes on that.)
The way CCP has set it up, the way to buy in game value is through PLEX. PLEX can buy ISK. Thus PLEX is Pay2Win, like it or not.
Originally posted by hfztt The way CCP has set it up, the way to buy in game value is through PLEX. PLEX can buy ISK. Thus PLEX is Pay2Win, like it or not.
If that is true, then without PLEX the game would must to be grind-2-win.
In either case, it does not matter as there are only 2 options: The game caters to certain player type or the game balances out the player types that would be imbalanced otherwise.
Originally posted by Xondar123So you believe CCP is keeping faith with the EVE community by charging the price of an expansion pack for a small cosnmetic item?
Why exactly do you think this is a goodf thing?
Why do you think its a bad thing? Does someone paying the price of an expansion for a vanity item hurt you?
Besides that is not what the protesters are protesting about. Expet all those that dont knwo what they are protesting about of course... Which are most of them. Which really means that most people dont have a clue what the protests are about, be course there IS no real coherence in what the protests are about. But thats just a funny sidenote.
It doesn't hurt me in that I would never pay $70 for a tiny in-game vanity item.
However, it does hurt CCP. CCP will now forever be seen as a greedy company that wantd to make a lot of money off their player base with as little effort as possible. Their products now have an extremely skewed value because they set the prices of vanity items into an area usually reserved for full games or expansions.
People are protesting a few thingsd: A) The exorbant cost of vanity items.
CCP's attitude about the whole thing.
C) The possibility that CCP will now charge for items that are play to win in the cash shop.
D) Incarna's poor rollout and the reduced functionality of the game because of it.
It doesn't hurt me in that I would never pay $70 for a tiny in-game vanity item.
However, it does hurt CCP. CCP will now forever be seen as a greedy company that wantd to make a lot of money off their player base with as little effort as possible. Their products now have an extremely skewed value because they set the prices of vanity items into an area usually reserved for full games or expansions.
People are protesting a few thingsd: A) The exorbant cost of vanity items.
CCP's attitude about the whole thing.
C) The possibility that CCP will now charge for items that are play to win in the cash shop.
D) Incarna's poor rollout and the reduced functionality of the game because of it.
E) No ship spinning.
E) NO ship spinning.
That is a blatant lie made up by trolls and f**ktards.............Everyone that plays EVE knows that you can just open your ship fitting, and there you can spin your ship still for those with the great need for it.
The more the merrier. Perhaps eventually a game will come out that we can all enjoy together. Then again, MMORPG.com could start charging people to post.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
To me this sounds like a bad business move based on the short sighted idiots who thought a cash shop was a good idea. If they hadn't forgotten they are realising Dust 514 to coincide with EVE, not only with their tarnished reputation veer players away from Dust but the fact that the EVE player base which is supposed to guide the Dust players will be very limited anymore. Their overall revenue will begin to decrease dramatically, because when populations fall players get disillusioned with a game and start to follow suit of the first wave of people who leave. Eventually EVE's population will be extremely limited to maybe 20% of what it is currentlyand the game will feel almost dead. I think cash shop mindset can spell the end for many games.
Sorry, but plex by itself is a different beast. Plex was introduced for one reason and one reason only, to fight 3rd party RMT; and it worked, rather well I might add. When people are selling plex for isk they still have to spend that isk in a player driven economy. When they start to add game play items to an MT shop like ships, ammunition, and mods you are attacking the very core of the game, the player driven economy.
If this were WoW I would act no differently. I accepted the sell of vanity items in WoW, I didn't like it, but I accepted it; but if they then started selling game play items that actually effect gameplay, then yeah I'd quit WoW or any other MMO over that too. If a developer wants to go F2P then go F2P, if they want to be P2P then be P2P. Doing both is just greedy beyond all reason.
I know you were not the guy who said I obviously were not playing. I have played for 8 years. I am an industrialist. I know the argument.
And its wrong.
CCP did tell us how they would solve this: To get a vanity ship you will have to pay AUR and a base ship. Thus the normal industrial loop is still intact. (Research it and you will find a few dev quotes on that.)
The way CCP has set it up, the way to buy in game value is through PLEX. PLEX can buy ISK. Thus PLEX is Pay2Win, like it or not.
The uproar going on now has nothing to do with 'vanity' ships. The leaked memo didn't say 'vanity' ships and it wouldn't matter if it had because it still mentioned things like ammunition and mods.
As for plex we will have to agree to disagree. The point of plex was never p2w, it was simply to fight 3rd party RMT which is very destructive to any game imo. It may be a controversial solution, but it's one that worked. It was much more of a benefit to CCP and the game as a whole than any actual p2w MT will be.
And no, I'm not the guy who said you weren't a player of the game, so I don't know why you brought it up in this post.
Many games are hard to leave. You invest, in most cases, hundreds of hours of time to level one or more characters.
But Eve? The investment is off the charts. It is, to my recollection, the only game(edit: Graphic MMO) that offers unlimited advancement from a practical sense. Even if you've been playing nonstop from launch day, there are still skills to learn. ships to buy and make. modules to fit.
A month or two in WoW and you'll have a maxxed toon with full raid gear, where they'll stay til' the next expansion. But in Eve, your world is always expanding. the longer you sub, the deeper the investment, even when you're not playing.
And it seems that CCP is, quite literally, banking on that idea. The current cash shop is no big deal to me, other than I find it CRAZY that any monocle could cost as much as a high tier ship. But what's been leaked, and the response from CCP regarding it makes it pretty clear. Sooner or later, they are going to use that investment AGAINST their players.
It's sad. I was actually considering returning to Eve once Incarna had been fully baked. But now, I just don't see the point.
It looks like over 5000 accounts and rising according to this article. A $1million loss in revenue is not something to be taken lightly. CCP has already called an emergency meeting with the CSM slated for the end of the week, it seems that in space someone can here you scream.
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Xondar123,
I would argue while they are micro-transactions shops, everything in sto you can buy worth a dime; ships, pets etc... can all be earned in game. The difference between that and CCP's version is the cost factor and the fact that in EVE the economy is the base of the conflict of the game , basically the core of the concept of the whole reason for EVE's existence. STO doesn't have such a reliance and everything (pretty much) worth getting is obtainable in a reasonable amount of time playing or you can cash out and get it now.
While STO items improve game play and looks, it doesn't change the actual game over-all, I would argue that EVE cash box does this in an epic scale , while currently it's only cosmetic, I would bet anyone willing to take the bet a 100 bucks, they WILL add items that will change game play. STO has it, but it's so basic and the small "changes" you get are fun and all, but nothing game breaking and again very easily obtainable in game play.
yea, I sound like some huge fanboy of STO, I like the game yes, the new season 4 release improves combat and many other things for me personally I will enjoy it more. In no way is it the guildwars 2 of MMO's, but it's descent. However comparing that to EVE's new model? Once they release enhance game items it will be nothing like it. The mechanics in their game make that impossible to do without effecting the total balance of power and basic fundamental workings of the game.
"The monster created isn't by the company that makes the game, it's by the fans that make it something it never was"
So you believe CCP is keeping faith with the EVE community by charging the price of an expansion pack for a small cosnmetic item?
Why exactly do you think this is a goodf thing?
Nah, denial is the new "I'm right your wrong" approach to things people don't want to hear.
Another thread shed some very good light on the internal workings of CCP. Fun to work in, horrible in managment. This tells me that not much ever gets done and if it does get done , it gets done just like what has just transpired.
All the evidance from the memo's, dev logs and actually company information says it all. If one can't see the logic in that, well there is no hope.
The old phrase "going down with the sinking ship" comes to mind. Anyways, my last post on the subject, it's been a fun ride, but it's late and I got things to do tomorow. GL with the game for those that stay and to others.... There are games out there, just ask around ! I like STO and G&H atm.
"The monster created isn't by the company that makes the game, it's by the fans that make it something it never was"
I left EVE because of how high decent ship prices were, and not having time for the in game day job EVE required because of it.
This whole fiasco is just pathetic. CCP is shooting themselves in the foot here being greedy.
I realised one thing last night, discussing with the ragers in Jita:
You are too late. Too late by 3 years.
PLEX are the Pay2Win tool of EvE. AUR and NEX does not change anything. If you want to prevent Pay2Win in eve you have to fight what is allready there: PLEX.
You see, the only way you can get RL cash into the game is through PLEX. So every Pay2Win action will start as a PLEX purchase.
Funny enough noone wants to see PLEX go away, so by default people have allready accepted the CCP microtransaction Pay2Win model 3 years ago.
So if people where really serious about this they would ask CCP to remove PLEX, as thats the TRUE Pay2Win tool of EVE, and has been for 3 years.
Why do you think its a bad thing? Does someone paying the price of an expansion for a vanity item hurt you?
Besides that is not what the protesters are protesting about. Expet all those that dont knwo what they are protesting about of course... Which are most of them. Which really means that most people dont have a clue what the protests are about, be course there IS no real coherence in what the protests are about. But thats just a funny sidenote.
misguided and totally untrue.. but only someone who doesnt play Eve could make that mistake, there is nothing in Eve that you can buy, that will give you any kind of advantage, and if you use a plex in game you end up with 1 of 2 things.. an extra 30 days of play time.. or .. about 380 million isk.. anybody who thinks that somehow becomes pay to win.. has an agenda. i'd be interested in what game these people are recommending.
Sorry, but plex by itself is a different beast. Plex was introduced for one reason and one reason only, to fight 3rd party RMT; and it worked, rather well I might add. When people are selling plex for isk they still have to spend that isk in a player driven economy. When they start to add game play items to an MT shop like ships, ammunition, and mods you are attacking the very core of the game, the player driven economy.
If this were WoW I would act no differently. I accepted the sell of vanity items in WoW, I didn't like it, but I accepted it; but if they then started selling game play items that actually effect gameplay, then yeah I'd quit WoW or any other MMO over that too. If a developer wants to go F2P then go F2P, if they want to be P2P then be P2P. Doing both is just greedy beyond all reason.
I know you were not the guy who said I obviously were not playing. I have played for 8 years. I am an industrialist. I know the argument.
And its wrong.
CCP did tell us how they would solve this: To get a vanity ship you will have to pay AUR and a base ship. Thus the normal industrial loop is still intact. (Research it and you will find a few dev quotes on that.)
The way CCP has set it up, the way to buy in game value is through PLEX. PLEX can buy ISK. Thus PLEX is Pay2Win, like it or not.
If that is true, then without PLEX the game would must to be grind-2-win.
In either case, it does not matter as there are only 2 options: The game caters to certain player type or the game balances out the player types that would be imbalanced otherwise.
It doesn't hurt me in that I would never pay $70 for a tiny in-game vanity item.
However, it does hurt CCP. CCP will now forever be seen as a greedy company that wantd to make a lot of money off their player base with as little effort as possible. Their products now have an extremely skewed value because they set the prices of vanity items into an area usually reserved for full games or expansions.
People are protesting a few thingsd: A) The exorbant cost of vanity items.
C) The possibility that CCP will now charge for items that are play to win in the cash shop.
D) Incarna's poor rollout and the reduced functionality of the game because of it.
E) No ship spinning.
E) NO ship spinning.
That is a blatant lie made up by trolls and f**ktards.............Everyone that plays EVE knows that you can just open your ship fitting, and there you can spin your ship still for those with the great need for it.
What is the item shop selling exactly?
I'm quitting for sure though. Item Shop + subscription is a no no.
At the moment: Vanity items, like monocles and things to wear for your character.
But what people fear is that they will sell ship and weapons in the game, and most of the fuzz comes from this fear.
The more the merrier. Perhaps eventually a game will come out that we can all enjoy together. Then again, MMORPG.com could start charging people to post.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
To me this sounds like a bad business move based on the short sighted idiots who thought a cash shop was a good idea. If they hadn't forgotten they are realising Dust 514 to coincide with EVE, not only with their tarnished reputation veer players away from Dust but the fact that the EVE player base which is supposed to guide the Dust players will be very limited anymore. Their overall revenue will begin to decrease dramatically, because when populations fall players get disillusioned with a game and start to follow suit of the first wave of people who leave. Eventually EVE's population will be extremely limited to maybe 20% of what it is currentlyand the game will feel almost dead. I think cash shop mindset can spell the end for many games.
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That was brutally warm.
The uproar going on now has nothing to do with 'vanity' ships. The leaked memo didn't say 'vanity' ships and it wouldn't matter if it had because it still mentioned things like ammunition and mods.
As for plex we will have to agree to disagree. The point of plex was never p2w, it was simply to fight 3rd party RMT which is very destructive to any game imo. It may be a controversial solution, but it's one that worked. It was much more of a benefit to CCP and the game as a whole than any actual p2w MT will be.
And no, I'm not the guy who said you weren't a player of the game, so I don't know why you brought it up in this post.
That got me laughed.
Many games are hard to leave. You invest, in most cases, hundreds of hours of time to level one or more characters.
But Eve? The investment is off the charts. It is, to my recollection, the only game(edit: Graphic MMO) that offers unlimited advancement from a practical sense. Even if you've been playing nonstop from launch day, there are still skills to learn. ships to buy and make. modules to fit.
A month or two in WoW and you'll have a maxxed toon with full raid gear, where they'll stay til' the next expansion. But in Eve, your world is always expanding. the longer you sub, the deeper the investment, even when you're not playing.
And it seems that CCP is, quite literally, banking on that idea. The current cash shop is no big deal to me, other than I find it CRAZY that any monocle could cost as much as a high tier ship. But what's been leaked, and the response from CCP regarding it makes it pretty clear. Sooner or later, they are going to use that investment AGAINST their players.
It's sad. I was actually considering returning to Eve once Incarna had been fully baked. But now, I just don't see the point.
It looks like over 5000 accounts and rising according to this article. A $1million loss in revenue is not something to be taken lightly. CCP has already called an emergency meeting with the CSM slated for the end of the week, it seems that in space someone can here you scream.