LucasArts wouldn't have been cometing with themselves because they sell the liscense for people to use the SW IP. In some cases they have done more than just that but every thing from TOR has been created by Bioware and SWG follow the movies. So, Lucas gets his money no matter how much money SWG is pulling in. It had little to do with LucasArts.
I'm starting to think it was more SoE then LA. We do have to remember that SoE was hit with a huge cost not that long ago due to several hacks they had and major fines they had to pay out because of them. Seems like now that another of their projects are dying that something else might be going on, and not just LA forcing closure.
Just an interesting event i think.
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Its quite simple, LA wants XX millions each time hey need to renew the IP contract, swg while healty / self substaining now could not afourt to pay xx milllions for the "small" game it is now. if they had millions of players sure,they would ahve paid the prize, but whit resent losses that sony had to take and the stuborn high prize demanding of LA theres no way the contract could be prolonged.
LA is the big looser here (and the players) SOE probaly dint get much retuern and was more of a fine let them diehard fans have thier fw servers, asong those are populated (and they were to the max) the game runs itself (funds) , the loss now will be in in fans of the gerne and mechandice for LA.
EA/Bioaware wont realy notis anyting, they may loos some players over it but compared to the large comunity its just a tiny bit. the long run for SW:TOR might be slightly compromised tho since non-game-hoppers are the one scratching thier heads.
I fail to see how LA is the big looser here? SOE was contractually obliged to provide services for SWG until a certain date and they have done that. With the contract ending at the end of this year SOE had no intention of continuing to operate the services. Don't try to act like LA are the mean bad guys that came along and killed SWG. It was already dead and had been operating on life support for a long while. SOE knew that once SWTOR came out any fledgling population of SWG would dwindle and die, and it would become a cash drain even more so than it is now. Do you really think that SWG represented a major cash cow for LA, and that merchandising for SWG made LA enough money for them to even care about the closure of the game? Do you really think that SOE would have continued to operate SWG if LA had offered them an extention?
Yeah, Lucasarts might force Bioware to make the game more like WoW like they did with SWG... oh wait....
Sorry, can you point to a link that shows us that LA actually did that to BioWare please. Last I knew BioWare Reps were saying that all the design decisions were up to them, but I may have missed something.
Lucasarts did it to SWG is what I was saying. Biowares MMO just happens to be a WoW clone... What a coincidence!
So you can't . . . thanks for the info.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
Yeah, Lucasarts might force Bioware to make the game more like WoW like they did with SWG... oh wait....
Sorry, can you point to a link that shows us that LA actually did that to BioWare please. Last I knew BioWare Reps were saying that all the design decisions were up to them, but I may have missed something.
Lucasarts did it to SWG is what I was saying. Biowares MMO just happens to be a WoW clone... What a coincidence!
So you can't . . . thanks for the info.
How quick people are to forget LA's gutting of SWG , sure SoE implemented the changes .. but at LA's direction.
You are all burying your heads in the sand if you doubt LA's ability to throw their weight around and impact design choices. You need only look at LA's history with their IP to see what motivates them.
I am probably the most happiest person in the world atm that $OE shut down SWG, up until I found out the reason why it was shut down. In an interview $med did with I think Massively (I'll post the link when I find it), $med mentioned he had a conversation with LA adn they agreed that SWG should be shut down.
What that means to me is that LA didn't want two competing products on the market and SWG was the obvious choice to be cut. I just can't help but think what will happen in five years, assuming I really get into SW:TOR and am still playing. What will happen when it gets old and subs are a shell of what they used to be? Does this mean, LA will start another MMO and eventually cut SW:TOR for a better younger model?
What I'm getting at is, $OE should have been the one to give up on SWG and not LA; although it is totally in LA's own right to kill the rights to the game. I'm saying what if at one point SW:TOR only has 10k players who are die-hard fans of the game and LA wants more with a newer game?
I just hope it doesn't happen, but it's always going to be in the back of my head while I play TOR.
They had 10 years to do a good job and they havent. I finally played SWG and it was very clunky. i played maybe 2 hours and was dissappointed. The combat system turned me off so much, i had guys running through walls and disapearing...im pretty sure they should get stuff like that checked out before calling themself an MMO...Anyways, LA has always made some amazing games, some better than others of course, its time to dismantel SWG. They are pretty much looked as a flop since it started up. I have to admit for being alive for 10 years im surprised it has as many subs as it does still but still needs lots of improvement and money to fix it up and that is something the company cant afford.
Yeah, Lucasarts might force Bioware to make the game more like WoW like they did with SWG... oh wait....
Sorry, can you point to a link that shows us that LA actually did that to BioWare please. Last I knew BioWare Reps were saying that all the design decisions were up to them, but I may have missed something.
Lucasarts did it to SWG is what I was saying. Biowares MMO just happens to be a WoW clone... What a coincidence!
So you can't . . . thanks for the info.
How quick people are to forget LA's gutting of SWG , sure SoE implemented the changes .. but at LA's direction.
You are all burying your heads in the sand if you doubt LA's ability to throw their weight around and impact design choices. You need only look at LA's history with their IP to see what motivates them.
I will be approaching SWTOR very hesitantly.
I just asked for a link for this guy to prove his accusations and HE either could not or choose to not provide them. If YOU have a link that can prove the claim, then by all means do so, but I won't believe any accusations until I can see the proof. SOE has a history of making sub-par games (In My Opinion) and SWG was one of them. It was released with almost no content, had an enormous amount of game breaking bugs (for me anyways, like making a gaming computer lock up every 30-45 minutes in game), and was slow to fix these problems (I just found out last week that some of those bugs are STILL in the game).
Now maybe LA did step in, but I think after how badly SOE started out with this game, they may have had the right of it. Until someone can show me a link where SOE accuses LA of messing things up via ordering SPECIFIC changes or LA claiming the responsibility, I will be forced to believe the actual developer of the game made the flub.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
Yeah, Lucasarts might force Bioware to make the game more like WoW like they did with SWG... oh wait....
Sorry, can you point to a link that shows us that LA actually did that to BioWare please. Last I knew BioWare Reps were saying that all the design decisions were up to them, but I may have missed something.
Lucasarts did it to SWG is what I was saying. Biowares MMO just happens to be a WoW clone... What a coincidence!
So you can't . . . thanks for the info.
How quick people are to forget LA's gutting of SWG , sure SoE implemented the changes .. but at LA's direction.
You are all burying your heads in the sand if you doubt LA's ability to throw their weight around and impact design choices. You need only look at LA's history with their IP to see what motivates them.
I will be approaching SWTOR very hesitantly.
I just asked for a link for this guy to prove his accusations and HE either could not or choose to not provide them. If YOU have a link that can prove the claim, then by all means do so, but I won't believe any accusations until I can see the proof. SOE has a history of making sub-par games (In My Opinion) and SWG was one of them. It was released with almost no content, had an enormous amount of game breaking bugs (for me anyways, like making a gaming computer lock up every 30-45 minutes in game), and was slow to fix these problems (I just found out last week that some of those bugs are STILL in the game).
Now maybe LA did step in, but I think after how badly SOE started out with this game, they may have had the right of it. Until someone can show me a link where SOE accuses LA of messing things up via ordering SPECIFIC changes or LA claiming the responsibility, I will be forced to believe the actual developer of the game made the flub.
Why would Sony or Bioware publicly defame LA when they are still under contract? It's pretty much 50/50 from my view. It could be either one, both, or neither. I don't see any links from LA saying it was solely Sony's fault what happend to SWG. Likewise, I don't see any links to counter his accusation.
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Yeah, Lucasarts might force Bioware to make the game more like WoW like they did with SWG... oh wait....
Sorry, can you point to a link that shows us that LA actually did that to BioWare please. Last I knew BioWare Reps were saying that all the design decisions were up to them, but I may have missed something.
Lucasarts did it to SWG is what I was saying. Biowares MMO just happens to be a WoW clone... What a coincidence!
So you can't . . . thanks for the info.
How quick people are to forget LA's gutting of SWG , sure SoE implemented the changes .. but at LA's direction.
You are all burying your heads in the sand if you doubt LA's ability to throw their weight around and impact design choices. You need only look at LA's history with their IP to see what motivates them.
I will be approaching SWTOR very hesitantly.
I just asked for a link for this guy to prove his accusations and HE either could not or choose to not provide them. If YOU have a link that can prove the claim, then by all means do so, but I won't believe any accusations until I can see the proof. SOE has a history of making sub-par games (In My Opinion) and SWG was one of them. It was released with almost no content, had an enormous amount of game breaking bugs (for me anyways, like making a gaming computer lock up every 30-45 minutes in game), and was slow to fix these problems (I just found out last week that some of those bugs are STILL in the game).
Now maybe LA did step in, but I think after how badly SOE started out with this game, they may have had the right of it. Until someone can show me a link where SOE accuses LA of messing things up via ordering SPECIFIC changes or LA claiming the responsibility, I will be forced to believe the actual developer of the game made the flub.
it has been proved over and over that LA was not responsible for the NGE on SWG.. admittedly they could have told SOE not to do it.. but it originated wholly from within SOE.. anyone who has been following the SWG debacle should at least be aware of that fact.... if anything.. LA is probably now proactive about their IP.. and perhaps not quite so accepting of the various developers promises etc.. LA was burnt by the NGE undoubtedly.. but they were probably as much a victim as the players were... although unlike the players... LA could have done something to fix it (like ordering SOE to undo the NGE or else we'll pull the licence kind of thing).. if anything that is their guilt..
Lucas Arts and the Star Wars franchise has lost their touch a looooong time ago and these days only release content with the sole purpose of maximizing profits. So for me it's not a big surprise that they wanted to shut down SWG so they can get more profits from SW:TOR.
Also I dont think SW:TOR will be a game to stay along for several years. It is a typical Thempark with single player storylines, much like the Mass Effect and Dragon Age Origins models, so unless the game goes F2P after a year or two, I doubt it will be around much longer after that.
Seconded. Also i'd like to add that what drew me into the star wars universe in the first place was episodes 4-6. Not the steaming piles 1-3. Nor was it games like force unleashed or KoToR, etc. All the new lucas arts star wars projects are full of nonsensical reality bending fireworks and acrobatics, the technology and ability of everything seems far greater in the past than it ever did in the already available future of its universe. And now you have 4 jedi options versus just 1. It is as if star wars itself has forgotten who it was, much the same way Lando did when he sold his friends to the empire. If the very things that made me love star wars in the first place no longer have any place in star wars then i shall have no part in it. there was a time when the force was something that took skill and decades to master and even then it was struggle to lift an x-wing. Now you can pull a star destroyer crashing down onto a planet from space without breaking a sweat. Guess that's what i get for being alive as long as i have.
Yeah, Lucasarts might force Bioware to make the game more like WoW like they did with SWG... oh wait....
Sorry, can you point to a link that shows us that LA actually did that to BioWare please. Last I knew BioWare Reps were saying that all the design decisions were up to them, but I may have missed something.
Lucasarts did it to SWG is what I was saying. Biowares MMO just happens to be a WoW clone... What a coincidence!
So you can't . . . thanks for the info.
How quick people are to forget LA's gutting of SWG , sure SoE implemented the changes .. but at LA's direction.
You are all burying your heads in the sand if you doubt LA's ability to throw their weight around and impact design choices. You need only look at LA's history with their IP to see what motivates them.
I will be approaching SWTOR very hesitantly.
I just asked for a link for this guy to prove his accusations and HE either could not or choose to not provide them. If YOU have a link that can prove the claim, then by all means do so, but I won't believe any accusations until I can see the proof. SOE has a history of making sub-par games (In My Opinion) and SWG was one of them. It was released with almost no content, had an enormous amount of game breaking bugs (for me anyways, like making a gaming computer lock up every 30-45 minutes in game), and was slow to fix these problems (I just found out last week that some of those bugs are STILL in the game).
Now maybe LA did step in, but I think after how badly SOE started out with this game, they may have had the right of it. Until someone can show me a link where SOE accuses LA of messing things up via ordering SPECIFIC changes or LA claiming the responsibility, I will be forced to believe the actual developer of the game made the flub.
it has been proved over and over that LA was not responsible for the NGE on SWG.. admittedly they could have told SOE not to do it.. but it originated wholly from within SOE.. anyone who has been following the SWG debacle should at least be aware of that fact.... if anything.. LA is probably now proactive about their IP.. and perhaps not quite so accepting of the various developers promises etc.. LA was burnt by the NGE undoubtedly.. but they were probably as much a victim as the players were... although unlike the players... LA could have done something to fix it (like ordering SOE to undo the NGE or else we'll pull the licence kind of thing).. if anything that is their guilt..
Link please?
Just joking.
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Lucas Arts and the Star Wars franchise has lost their touch a looooong time ago and these days only release content with the sole purpose of maximizing profits. So for me it's not a big surprise that they wanted to shut down SWG so they can get more profits from SW:TOR.
Also I dont think SW:TOR will be a game to stay along for several years. It is a typical Thempark with single player storylines, much like the Mass Effect and Dragon Age Origins models, so unless the game goes F2P after a year or two, I doubt it will be around much longer after that.
Seconded. Also i'd like to add that what drew me into the star wars universe in the first place was episodes 4-6. Not the steaming piles 1-3. Nor was it games like force unleashed or KoToR, etc. All the new lucas arts star wars projects are full of nonsensical reality bending fireworks and acrobatics, the technology and ability of everything seems far greater in the past than it ever did in the already available future of its universe. And now you have 4 jedi options versus just 1. It is as if star wars itself has forgotten who it was, much the same way Lando did when he sold his friends to the empire. If the very things that made me love star wars in the first place no longer have any place in star wars then i shall have no part in it. there was a time when the force was something that took skill and decades to master and even then it was struggle to lift an x-wing. Now you can pull a star destroyer crashing down onto a planet from space without breaking a sweat. Guess that's what i get for being alive as long as i have.
kind of agree... thought the prequels films were about as deal breaking as it got... part of the problem is that somehow.. Starwars became to be only about Jedi... and that really did ruin things.. the premise of a galaxy in rebellion and a dire struggle for survival somehow turned into who had the baddest glowbat..
I think the reason why you see so much schadenfreude here is that SWG fans haven't exactly made a good impression on this section of the forums.
Constant predictions of how fast TOR will fail, hating on 'themepark' MMOs, complaining about how 'x feature that was in SWG isn't in TOR, so TOR sucks', etc.
Obviously, those people don't represent the entire community of SWG fans, but they're certainly the most visible on these forums.
To a lot of people here, SWG shutting down looks a lot like karmic justice.
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I think the reason why you see so much schadenfreude here is that SWG fans haven't exactly made a good impression on this section of the forums.
Constant predictions of how fast TOR will fail, hating on 'themepark' MMOs, complaining about how 'x feature that was in SWG isn't in TOR, so TOR sucks', etc.
Obviously, those people don't represent the entire community of SWG fans, but they're certainly the most visible on these forums.
To a lot of people here, SWG shutting down looks a lot like karmic justice.
I can say this is true for me when I first read the news. My first thoughts were good, let those trolls game meet oblivian, because on the TOR boards I check out, some of the fairly visable trolls basically said since this isn't SWG 2.0 I hope this game fails. I did take a step back in realizing that the trolls were probably just a very vocal minority. Still though, even in this forum there are people apprently gifted with seeing the future saying this game will fail even quicker than SWG, so for people saying I'm glad your game is dead, its to be expected.
Anyways the biggest worry I have for TOR is if it is successful, if LA starts having them pump out expansions 2 to 3 times a year to get more money and over milk the game. But if Bioware has pretty much full control over how the game is run, that fear is probably unfounded.
Considering how old the game is, and the vast amounts of older MMO's with much lower subs, SWG was actually doing better than a lot sub wise. My guess is that they just didn't want to deal with 2 MMo's competing, all though SWG probably couldn't really compete with TOR in terms of freshness and hype. SWG as it is now is miles beyond what it was at NGE release, it's actually not that bad, on the higher pop servers you couldn't even really tell the game was dying. Pvp all day and night, cantinas filled with players player cities/shops lighting up the world map.
Considering how old the game is, and the vast amounts of older MMO's with much lower subs, SWG was actually doing better than a lot sub wise. My guess is that they just didn't want to deal with 2 MMo's competing, all though SWG probably couldn't really compete with TOR in terms of freshness and hype. SWG as it is now is miles beyond what it was at NGE release, it's actually not that bad, on the higher pop servers you couldn't even really tell the game was dying. Pvp all day and night, cantinas filled with players player cities/shops lighting up the world map.
In this regard, I wonder what will happen to WoW when Blizzards new MMO releases.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
Personally myself if ToR lives as long as SWG did i'm more then happy about that. Thats what 6 or 7 years i'll be playing this game before it dies off? Heck thats way longer then any game i've ever played. EQ only lasted me about 5 years. If i can get equal or more then that amount of time out of ToR then i'll be a happy man. Because frankly i've been able to get barely 3 months out of a game before i'm bored stiff of killing 30 60 100 mobs over and over again for just that quest, i did similar in EQ for 5 years, which is probably the reason i'm bored of it in almost every other MMO.
If ToR can keep me busy for 5 or so years then i'll be more then happy and consider it a shiny success. Heck if it can keep me busy for 1 year then i consider it a success. I don't need my MMo games to go on for years and years and years. I just need it to keep me entertained longer then a SPG, which up till now only EQ has succeeded in doing. If after 5 6 or even 7 years they want to close it down, i'll take the friends i have and migrate to the next game.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Oh please. SWG was garbage from day one and the only reason it lasted as long it did was because of the Star Wars name. It had a couple of neat concepts to it, but overall was a boring grind fest that couldn't stop bugging or lagging itself. The only thing LA did wrong was to give SOE the rights to make the game in the first place. That game should have been put to rest the moment the NGE expirement blew up in their faces. When they saw the scores of players leaving,they should have worked on fixing the game and working with what they had instead of trying to copy World of Warcraft. They owed it to the devoted fans who were willing to look past all the game's faults because they had always wanted to experience life in the Star Wars universe. I myself only stuck around that game as long as I did because of the nice community we had on Bestine(Corbantis).
IMO, LA is more than hands off enough when it comes to farming out their IP. It tends to be hit (KOTOR) or miss (Republic Commando)
I think the reason why you see so much schadenfreude here is that SWG fans haven't exactly made a good impression on this section of the forums.
Constant predictions of how fast TOR will fail, hating on 'themepark' MMOs, complaining about how 'x feature that was in SWG isn't in TOR, so TOR sucks', etc.
Obviously, those people don't represent the entire community of SWG fans, but they're certainly the most visible on these forums.
To a lot of people here, SWG shutting down looks a lot like karmic justice.
I can say this is true for me when I first read the news. My first thoughts were good, let those trolls game meet oblivian, because on the TOR boards I check out, some of the fairly visable trolls basically said since this isn't SWG 2.0 I hope this game fails. I did take a step back in realizing that the trolls were probably just a very vocal minority. Still though, even in this forum there are people apprently gifted with seeing the future saying this game will fail even quicker than SWG, so for people saying I'm glad your game is dead, its to be expected.
Anyways the biggest worry I have for TOR is if it is successful, if LA starts having them pump out expansions 2 to 3 times a year to get more money and over milk the game. But if Bioware has pretty much full control over how the game is run, that fear is probably unfounded.
I would say based on Bioware and EA's relationship so far, my biggest worry is the amount and type of micro-transactions in the game.
You should be more concerned about the Hero engine and if BW can optimize it better than what they have done now.
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StarWars died with the "prequels" for most of us anyway. I can't wait until Darth George's greed forces to shut down SWTOR also.
Don't hold your breath because it will be a very long wait.
lol
I've actually decided that while I consider myself a huge Star Wars fan, I'm an even bigger fan of George Lucas. He is, in my mind, a God, and whatever he says is gospel.
StarWars died with the "prequels" for most of us anyway. I can't wait until Darth George's greed forces to shut down SWTOR also.
Then Bioware will be able to finally give us Mass Effect Online.
Honestly the best thing for the franchise would be for George to step back and not be involved in the creative process anymore. He was at his best when he had Gary Kurtz, Alan Ladd Jr. Irwin Kirshner and Lawrence Kasdan working with him balancing his madness.
The current regime he has surrounded himself with is essentially a generation of rabid fanboy yes men and it shows in the prequels and cartoons he's made since.
If there was ever an IP that deperately needed a reboot it's Star Wars.
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This thread is so off.
LucasArts wouldn't have been cometing with themselves because they sell the liscense for people to use the SW IP. In some cases they have done more than just that but every thing from TOR has been created by Bioware and SWG follow the movies. So, Lucas gets his money no matter how much money SWG is pulling in. It had little to do with LucasArts.
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You know with this article
http://www.mmorpg.com/newsroom.cfm/SOE-Shutting-Down-Not-Just-SWG-Fortune-League-Closes-Doors.html#21001
I'm starting to think it was more SoE then LA. We do have to remember that SoE was hit with a huge cost not that long ago due to several hacks they had and major fines they had to pay out because of them. Seems like now that another of their projects are dying that something else might be going on, and not just LA forcing closure.
Just an interesting event i think.
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I fail to see how LA is the big looser here? SOE was contractually obliged to provide services for SWG until a certain date and they have done that. With the contract ending at the end of this year SOE had no intention of continuing to operate the services. Don't try to act like LA are the mean bad guys that came along and killed SWG. It was already dead and had been operating on life support for a long while. SOE knew that once SWTOR came out any fledgling population of SWG would dwindle and die, and it would become a cash drain even more so than it is now. Do you really think that SWG represented a major cash cow for LA, and that merchandising for SWG made LA enough money for them to even care about the closure of the game? Do you really think that SOE would have continued to operate SWG if LA had offered them an extention?
U mad.
So you can't . . . thanks for the info.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
How quick people are to forget LA's gutting of SWG , sure SoE implemented the changes .. but at LA's direction.
You are all burying your heads in the sand if you doubt LA's ability to throw their weight around and impact design choices. You need only look at LA's history with their IP to see what motivates them.
I will be approaching SWTOR very hesitantly.
They had 10 years to do a good job and they havent. I finally played SWG and it was very clunky. i played maybe 2 hours and was dissappointed. The combat system turned me off so much, i had guys running through walls and disapearing...im pretty sure they should get stuff like that checked out before calling themself an MMO...Anyways, LA has always made some amazing games, some better than others of course, its time to dismantel SWG. They are pretty much looked as a flop since it started up. I have to admit for being alive for 10 years im surprised it has as many subs as it does still but still needs lots of improvement and money to fix it up and that is something the company cant afford.
I just asked for a link for this guy to prove his accusations and HE either could not or choose to not provide them. If YOU have a link that can prove the claim, then by all means do so, but I won't believe any accusations until I can see the proof. SOE has a history of making sub-par games (In My Opinion) and SWG was one of them. It was released with almost no content, had an enormous amount of game breaking bugs (for me anyways, like making a gaming computer lock up every 30-45 minutes in game), and was slow to fix these problems (I just found out last week that some of those bugs are STILL in the game).
Now maybe LA did step in, but I think after how badly SOE started out with this game, they may have had the right of it. Until someone can show me a link where SOE accuses LA of messing things up via ordering SPECIFIC changes or LA claiming the responsibility, I will be forced to believe the actual developer of the game made the flub.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
Why would Sony or Bioware publicly defame LA when they are still under contract? It's pretty much 50/50 from my view. It could be either one, both, or neither. I don't see any links from LA saying it was solely Sony's fault what happend to SWG. Likewise, I don't see any links to counter his accusation.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
it has been proved over and over that LA was not responsible for the NGE on SWG.. admittedly they could have told SOE not to do it.. but it originated wholly from within SOE.. anyone who has been following the SWG debacle should at least be aware of that fact.... if anything.. LA is probably now proactive about their IP.. and perhaps not quite so accepting of the various developers promises etc.. LA was burnt by the NGE undoubtedly.. but they were probably as much a victim as the players were... although unlike the players... LA could have done something to fix it (like ordering SOE to undo the NGE or else we'll pull the licence kind of thing).. if anything that is their guilt..
Seconded. Also i'd like to add that what drew me into the star wars universe in the first place was episodes 4-6. Not the steaming piles 1-3. Nor was it games like force unleashed or KoToR, etc. All the new lucas arts star wars projects are full of nonsensical reality bending fireworks and acrobatics, the technology and ability of everything seems far greater in the past than it ever did in the already available future of its universe. And now you have 4 jedi options versus just 1. It is as if star wars itself has forgotten who it was, much the same way Lando did when he sold his friends to the empire. If the very things that made me love star wars in the first place no longer have any place in star wars then i shall have no part in it. there was a time when the force was something that took skill and decades to master and even then it was struggle to lift an x-wing. Now you can pull a star destroyer crashing down onto a planet from space without breaking a sweat. Guess that's what i get for being alive as long as i have.
Link please?
Just joking.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
kind of agree... thought the prequels films were about as deal breaking as it got... part of the problem is that somehow.. Starwars became to be only about Jedi... and that really did ruin things.. the premise of a galaxy in rebellion and a dire struggle for survival somehow turned into who had the baddest glowbat..
I think the reason why you see so much schadenfreude here is that SWG fans haven't exactly made a good impression on this section of the forums.
Constant predictions of how fast TOR will fail, hating on 'themepark' MMOs, complaining about how 'x feature that was in SWG isn't in TOR, so TOR sucks', etc.
Obviously, those people don't represent the entire community of SWG fans, but they're certainly the most visible on these forums.
To a lot of people here, SWG shutting down looks a lot like karmic justice.
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I can say this is true for me when I first read the news. My first thoughts were good, let those trolls game meet oblivian, because on the TOR boards I check out, some of the fairly visable trolls basically said since this isn't SWG 2.0 I hope this game fails. I did take a step back in realizing that the trolls were probably just a very vocal minority. Still though, even in this forum there are people apprently gifted with seeing the future saying this game will fail even quicker than SWG, so for people saying I'm glad your game is dead, its to be expected.
Anyways the biggest worry I have for TOR is if it is successful, if LA starts having them pump out expansions 2 to 3 times a year to get more money and over milk the game. But if Bioware has pretty much full control over how the game is run, that fear is probably unfounded.
Considering how old the game is, and the vast amounts of older MMO's with much lower subs, SWG was actually doing better than a lot sub wise. My guess is that they just didn't want to deal with 2 MMo's competing, all though SWG probably couldn't really compete with TOR in terms of freshness and hype. SWG as it is now is miles beyond what it was at NGE release, it's actually not that bad, on the higher pop servers you couldn't even really tell the game was dying. Pvp all day and night, cantinas filled with players player cities/shops lighting up the world map.
In this regard, I wonder what will happen to WoW when Blizzards new MMO releases.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
Personally myself if ToR lives as long as SWG did i'm more then happy about that. Thats what 6 or 7 years i'll be playing this game before it dies off? Heck thats way longer then any game i've ever played. EQ only lasted me about 5 years. If i can get equal or more then that amount of time out of ToR then i'll be a happy man. Because frankly i've been able to get barely 3 months out of a game before i'm bored stiff of killing 30 60 100 mobs over and over again for just that quest, i did similar in EQ for 5 years, which is probably the reason i'm bored of it in almost every other MMO.
If ToR can keep me busy for 5 or so years then i'll be more then happy and consider it a shiny success. Heck if it can keep me busy for 1 year then i consider it a success. I don't need my MMo games to go on for years and years and years. I just need it to keep me entertained longer then a SPG, which up till now only EQ has succeeded in doing. If after 5 6 or even 7 years they want to close it down, i'll take the friends i have and migrate to the next game.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Oh please. SWG was garbage from day one and the only reason it lasted as long it did was because of the Star Wars name. It had a couple of neat concepts to it, but overall was a boring grind fest that couldn't stop bugging or lagging itself. The only thing LA did wrong was to give SOE the rights to make the game in the first place. That game should have been put to rest the moment the NGE expirement blew up in their faces. When they saw the scores of players leaving,they should have worked on fixing the game and working with what they had instead of trying to copy World of Warcraft. They owed it to the devoted fans who were willing to look past all the game's faults because they had always wanted to experience life in the Star Wars universe. I myself only stuck around that game as long as I did because of the nice community we had on Bestine(Corbantis).
IMO, LA is more than hands off enough when it comes to farming out their IP. It tends to be hit (KOTOR) or miss (Republic Commando)
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I would say based on Bioware and EA's relationship so far, my biggest worry is the amount and type of micro-transactions in the game.
StarWars died with the "prequels" for most of us anyway. I can't wait until Darth George's greed forces to shut down SWTOR also.
Then Bioware will be able to finally give us Mass Effect Online.
You should be more concerned about the Hero engine and if BW can optimize it better than what they have done now.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
Look at the first videos released and compare them to the most recent videos, they have made plenty of optimizations.
That being said, I'm not that concerned with the graphics, only with the gameplay.
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lol
I've actually decided that while I consider myself a huge Star Wars fan, I'm an even bigger fan of George Lucas. He is, in my mind, a God, and whatever he says is gospel.
Han did NOT shoot first.
Honestly the best thing for the franchise would be for George to step back and not be involved in the creative process anymore. He was at his best when he had Gary Kurtz, Alan Ladd Jr. Irwin Kirshner and Lawrence Kasdan working with him balancing his madness.
The current regime he has surrounded himself with is essentially a generation of rabid fanboy yes men and it shows in the prequels and cartoons he's made since.
If there was ever an IP that deperately needed a reboot it's Star Wars.