Just the idea alone that the vast majority of players will be running around as either Jedi or Sith, flexing with their lightsabers.... makes me already vommit.
No thanks. This game had great potential.... but having a server full of jedi's and sith's isn't exactly really Star Wars and immersive in my book.
The lore always clearly stated that there were only two sith's in the universe at one time. One master and one apprentice. Never more, never less.
That was always the lore and what made it so mysterious and great.
And now for this game George Lucas throw it all overboard and changed it to that long ago there suddenly were lots of Sith's and them even having their own world.
Doesn't make any sense to me and never will. The moment this game and it's classes were announced, a little star wars died in me.
So we don't even have to talk about a possible worst community. They already potentially created it by the design direction of this game.
You should play Star Wars: Knight of the Old Republic, which this game is a sequel to, since you seem to have no idea what the lore behind this game is.
He should say "for this time of era GL change it ... bla bla", Its something that you like or not. I dont mind, you dont mind, but for him is a big deal
fan of SWG, XCOM, Defiance, Global Agenda, Need For Speed, all Star Wars single player games. And waiting the darn STAR CITIZEN
Just the idea alone that the vast majority of players will be running around as either Jedi or Sith, flexing with their lightsabers.... makes me already vommit.
No thanks. This game had great potential.... but having a server full of jedi's and sith's isn't exactly really Star Wars and immersive in my book.
The lore always clearly stated that there were only two sith's in the universe at one time. One master and one apprentice. Never more, never less.
That was always the lore and what made it so mysterious and great.
And now for this game George Lucas throw it all overboard and changed it to that long ago there suddenly were lots of Sith's and them even having their own world.
Doesn't make any sense to me and never will. The moment this game and it's classes were announced, a little star wars died in me.
So we don't even have to talk about a possible worst community. They already potentially created it by the design direction of this game.
You should play Star Wars: Knight of the Old Republic, which this game is a sequel to, since you seem to have no idea what the lore behind this game is.
He should say "for this time of era GL change it ... bla bla", Its something that you like or not. I dont mind, you dont mind, but for him is a big deal
It's not that it changed, it's that it was fleshed out. A 10 second statement in a movie does not a history make. At least in such a galaxy/time wide storyline. This has been explained and explained well in the EU. That's what writers do when working in a pre-existing universe.
Before the time of "only two" they numbered in the thousands, they went underground years later, which is when the only two aspect became as it was. Simply to protect the foundation of the teachings and keep to the shadows, so to speak.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Hardcore ultra defensive <insert any MMO name here> fanbois on one side, taking offense at any percieved slight to 'their' game.
Shiny new game casuals attracted by the <insert any IP here> brand that are just there for the lulz and to pretty much troll their way through the experience before they quit at the end of the free play, on the other.
Mixed together in a <who the hell knows?>% solo based experience, with <who the hell knows?> interdependency or need to 'get on', and given a global chat channel to fight in....
What social tools/ mechanisms can <any game company> introduce to help this potentiol situation?
Just the idea alone that the vast majority of players will be running around as either Jedi or Sith, flexing with their lightsabers.... makes me already vommit.
No thanks. This game had great potential.... but having a server full of jedi's and sith's isn't exactly really Star Wars and immersive in my book.
The lore always clearly stated that there were only two sith's in the universe at one time. One master and one apprentice. Never more, never less.
That was always the lore and what made it so mysterious and great.
And now for this game George Lucas throw it all overboard and changed it to that long ago there suddenly were lots of Sith's and them even having their own world.
Doesn't make any sense to me and never will. The moment this game and it's classes were announced, a little star wars died in me.
So we don't even have to talk about a possible worst community. They already potentially created it by the design direction of this game.
You should play Star Wars: Knight of the Old Republic, which this game is a sequel to, since you seem to have no idea what the lore behind this game is.
He should say "for this time of era GL change it ... bla bla", Its something that you like or not. I dont mind, you dont mind, but for him is a big deal
It's not that it changed, it's that it was fleshed out. A 10 second statement in a movie does not a history make. At least in such a galaxy/time wide storyline. This has been explained and explained well in the EU. That's what writers do when working in a pre-existing universe.
Before the time of "only two" they numbered in the thousands, they went underground years later, which is when the only two aspect became as it was. Simply to protect the foundation of the teachings and keep to the shadows, so to speak.
I dont remember in any eps 1-6 that mentioned that in an older era siths and jedis was countless.
fan of SWG, XCOM, Defiance, Global Agenda, Need For Speed, all Star Wars single player games. And waiting the darn STAR CITIZEN
Before the time of "only two" they numbered in the thousands, they went underground years later, which is when the only two aspect became as it was. Simply to protect the foundation of the teachings and keep to the shadows, so to speak.
I dont remember in any eps 1-6 that mentioned that in an older era siths and jedis was countless.
Star Wars is much more than Episode 1-6. That's like saying "I didn't see that during the wrath of Kahn movie" in reference to Star Trek lore..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Hardcore ultra defensive fanbois on one side, taking offense at any percieved slight to 'their' game.
Shiny new game casuals attracted by the brand that are just there for the lulz and to pretty much troll their way through the experience before they quit at the end of the free play, on the other.
Mixed together in a % solo based experience, with interdependency or need to 'get on', and given a global chat channel to fight in....
What social tools/ mechanisms can introduce to help this potentiol situation?
Fixed for you...
AHAHHAHA well put it
fan of SWG, XCOM, Defiance, Global Agenda, Need For Speed, all Star Wars single player games. And waiting the darn STAR CITIZEN
Before the time of "only two" they numbered in the thousands, they went underground years later, which is when the only two aspect became as it was. Simply to protect the foundation of the teachings and keep to the shadows, so to speak.
I dont remember in any eps 1-6 that mentioned that in an older era siths and jedis was countless.
Star Wars is much more than Episode 1-6. That's like saying "I didn't see that during the wrath of Kahn movie" in reference to Star Trek lore..
Before the time of "only two" they numbered in the thousands, they went underground years later, which is when the only two aspect became as it was. Simply to protect the foundation of the teachings and keep to the shadows, so to speak.
I dont remember in any eps 1-6 that mentioned that in an older era siths and jedis was countless.
Star Wars is much more than Episode 1-6. That's like saying "I didn't see that during the wrath of Kahn movie" in reference to Star Trek lore..
i dont know what you talking about, since i dont like s trek at all, but still i still say that since GL didnt mentioned in eps, its a change, its like when i create an era and after some years i want to create a sequel or a prequel and i want to add something new, so to do i need to change something with a valid point to make sence
fan of SWG, XCOM, Defiance, Global Agenda, Need For Speed, all Star Wars single player games. And waiting the darn STAR CITIZEN
Before the time of "only two" they numbered in the thousands, they went underground years later, which is when the only two aspect became as it was. Simply to protect the foundation of the teachings and keep to the shadows, so to speak.
I dont remember in any eps 1-6 that mentioned that in an older era siths and jedis was countless.
Star Wars is much more than Episode 1-6. That's like saying "I didn't see that during the wrath of Kahn movie" in reference to Star Trek lore..
i dont know what you talking about, since i dont like s trek at all, but still i still say that since GL didnt mentioned in eps, its a change, its like when i create an era and after some years i want to create a sequel or a prequel and i want to add something new, so to do i need to change something with a valid point to make sence
What you're not understanding is if they say there are only two at one point, it doesn't mean everything has to be changed, only put in context when you want to expand on that. We're talking thousands of years of change here.
If I were to say you're only a man if you put your coat over a puddle before a lady crosses over it. It wouldn't be an accurate statement at least in our time. However years ago it was actually customary to do such things. Things change over time, that doesn't mean history has to be rewritten. It just means things are true in one time period yet not in another.
Besides there's a difference between official canon, and non-canon. The movies are Official where as many novels are not. Although I do recall one of Biowares authors putting out a book that became official canon. Not sure which one though.
Blaming GL for things in EU is kind of ridiculous though, considering he's taken a hands off approach in regard to them.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Before the time of "only two" they numbered in the thousands, they went underground years later, which is when the only two aspect became as it was. Simply to protect the foundation of the teachings and keep to the shadows, so to speak.
I dont remember in any eps 1-6 that mentioned that in an older era siths and jedis was countless.
Star Wars is much more than Episode 1-6. That's like saying "I didn't see that during the wrath of Kahn movie" in reference to Star Trek lore..
i dont know what you talking about, since i dont like s trek at all, but still i still say that since GL didnt mentioned in eps, its a change, its like when i create an era and after some years i want to create a sequel or a prequel and i want to add something new, so to do i need to change something with a valid point to make sence
What you're not understanding is if they say there are only two at one point, it doesn't mean everything has to be changed, only put in context when you want to expand on that. We're talking thousands of years of change here.
If I were to say you're a only man if you put your coat over a puddle before a lady crosses over it. It wouldn't be an accurate statement at least in our time? However years ago it was actually customary to do such things. Things change over time, that doesn't mean history has to be rewritten. It just means things are true in one time period yet not in another.
Besides there' s a difference between official canon, and non-canon. The movies are Official where as many novels are not. Although I do recall one of Biowares authors putting out a book that became official canon. Not sure which one though.
Blaming GL for things in EU is kind of ridiculous though, considering he's taken a hands off approach in regard to them.
perhaps you are thinking of Drew Karpyshyn's Darth Bane trilogy? the second book establishes the rule of two.
Before the time of "only two" they numbered in the thousands, they went underground years later, which is when the only two aspect became as it was. Simply to protect the foundation of the teachings and keep to the shadows, so to speak.
I dont remember in any eps 1-6 that mentioned that in an older era siths and jedis was countless.
Star Wars is much more than Episode 1-6. That's like saying "I didn't see that during the wrath of Kahn movie" in reference to Star Trek lore..
i dont know what you talking about, since i dont like s trek at all, but still i still say that since GL didnt mentioned in eps, its a change, its like when i create an era and after some years i want to create a sequel or a prequel and i want to add something new, so to do i need to change something with a valid point to make sence
So your argument is "Because I don't know about it, then it doesn't exist?" Sorry, but you might want to go to your local library and start picking up some Star Wars novels, there is a LOT of stuff you don't know about in them.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
Before the time of "only two" they numbered in the thousands, they went underground years later, which is when the only two aspect became as it was. Simply to protect the foundation of the teachings and keep to the shadows, so to speak.
I dont remember in any eps 1-6 that mentioned that in an older era siths and jedis was countless.
Star Wars is much more than Episode 1-6. That's like saying "I didn't see that during the wrath of Kahn movie" in reference to Star Trek lore..
i dont know what you talking about, since i dont like s trek at all, but still i still say that since GL didnt mentioned in eps, its a change, its like when i create an era and after some years i want to create a sequel or a prequel and i want to add something new, so to do i need to change something with a valid point to make sence
What you're not understanding is if they say there are only two at one point, it doesn't mean everything has to be changed, only put in context when you want to expand on that. We're talking thousands of years of change here.
If I were to say you're a only man if you put your coat over a puddle before a lady crosses over it. It wouldn't be an accurate statement at least in our time? However years ago it was actually customary to do such things. Things change over time, that doesn't mean history has to be rewritten. It just means things are true in one time period yet not in another.
Besides there' s a difference between official canon, and non-canon. The movies are Official where as many novels are not. Although I do recall one of Biowares authors putting out a book that became official canon. Not sure which one though.
Blaming GL for things in EU is kind of ridiculous though, considering he's taken a hands off approach in regard to them.
perhaps you are thinking of Drew Karpyshyn's Darth Bane trilogy? the second book establishes the rule of two.
Just for clarification, even that doesn't mean that there are only ever 2 Sith in the Galaxy. Just that at the time that the Rules of Two was implemented, the Sith Lords were only supposed to have one apprentice at a time. There was nothing saying they couldn't have several different apprentices over the years. At least, that is how I understood it to work when I read the books.
For example if Sith Lord 1 has a total of five Apprentices, there are now six Sith in the Galaxy. If each of the Apprentices go on to teach five Apprentices, there are now (potentially) 31 Sith. That is in only three "generations" and starting with only 1 Sith Lord. Now imagine there are 100,000 Sith Lords hiding all over the Galaxy . . .
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
Well personally I do not think the game will have a community before it actually launches and even then, it will take a few months t see the real 'face' of said community.
Right now all you have is forum enthusiasts running ummuck ((Including me)). Lets wait and see... but if you want to speculate, my best guest would be that the SWTOR community will be a lot better than most MMOs. Really just a guest, I have nothing to back this up beside a 'gut feeling'.
________________________ "If RL was an MMO, I'd probably be getting laid more often..."
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He should say "for this time of era GL change it ... bla bla", Its something that you like or not. I dont mind, you dont mind, but for him is a big deal
It's not that it changed, it's that it was fleshed out. A 10 second statement in a movie does not a history make. At least in such a galaxy/time wide storyline. This has been explained and explained well in the EU. That's what writers do when working in a pre-existing universe.
Before the time of "only two" they numbered in the thousands, they went underground years later, which is when the only two aspect became as it was. Simply to protect the foundation of the teachings and keep to the shadows, so to speak.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Fixed for you...
I dont remember in any eps 1-6 that mentioned that in an older era siths and jedis was countless.
Star Wars is much more than Episode 1-6. That's like saying "I didn't see that during the wrath of Kahn movie" in reference to Star Trek lore..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
AHAHHAHA well put it
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rule_of_Two
Even Darth Sidius violated the rule, so even in the era where the rule existed, it wasn't always followed
i dont know what you talking about, since i dont like s trek at all, but still i still say that since GL didnt mentioned in eps, its a change, its like when i create an era and after some years i want to create a sequel or a prequel and i want to add something new, so to do i need to change something with a valid point to make sence
Star Wars snobs.
MMO ***wads.
And console browskis.
All coming together to partake in probably one of the most confusing blends of gaming tropes yet concieved?
And then we're to expect Bioware to have a say in how this will go down?
The King shall watch from a safe distance and enjoy.
What you're not understanding is if they say there are only two at one point, it doesn't mean everything has to be changed, only put in context when you want to expand on that. We're talking thousands of years of change here.
If I were to say you're only a man if you put your coat over a puddle before a lady crosses over it. It wouldn't be an accurate statement at least in our time. However years ago it was actually customary to do such things. Things change over time, that doesn't mean history has to be rewritten. It just means things are true in one time period yet not in another.
Besides there's a difference between official canon, and non-canon. The movies are Official where as many novels are not. Although I do recall one of Biowares authors putting out a book that became official canon. Not sure which one though.
Blaming GL for things in EU is kind of ridiculous though, considering he's taken a hands off approach in regard to them.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
perhaps you are thinking of Drew Karpyshyn's Darth Bane trilogy? the second book establishes the rule of two.
I was thinking that's the series that was, wasn't positive though.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
So your argument is "Because I don't know about it, then it doesn't exist?" Sorry, but you might want to go to your local library and start picking up some Star Wars novels, there is a LOT of stuff you don't know about in them.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
Just for clarification, even that doesn't mean that there are only ever 2 Sith in the Galaxy. Just that at the time that the Rules of Two was implemented, the Sith Lords were only supposed to have one apprentice at a time. There was nothing saying they couldn't have several different apprentices over the years. At least, that is how I understood it to work when I read the books.
For example if Sith Lord 1 has a total of five Apprentices, there are now six Sith in the Galaxy. If each of the Apprentices go on to teach five Apprentices, there are now (potentially) 31 Sith. That is in only three "generations" and starting with only 1 Sith Lord. Now imagine there are 100,000 Sith Lords hiding all over the Galaxy . . .
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
Well personally I do not think the game will have a community before it actually launches and even then, it will take a few months t see the real 'face' of said community.
Right now all you have is forum enthusiasts running ummuck ((Including me)). Lets wait and see... but if you want to speculate, my best guest would be that the SWTOR community will be a lot better than most MMOs. Really just a guest, I have nothing to back this up beside a 'gut feeling'.
________________________
"If RL was an MMO, I'd probably be getting laid more often..."