As long as I can hook up a mouse and keyboard to it, I don't care.
I own a PS3, no way would I have bought DCOU for it, its just for watching movies on. For my PC I have k/b, mouse, DFGT wheel, Thrustmaster throttle and stick and a 48 inch Monitor.
Why in gods name would I want to twiddle 2 sticks and be stuck with about 10 buttons, lousy graphics and a bitching match cause I want to take over the TV.
I would have to say I agree with you "but" if at some point more and more games are made for ocnsoles and eschew the pc's then "as long as I can hook up a mouse and keyboard to it I don't care".
Let's put it this way, I mostly use a Mac in my life. except over the years the games came less and less. So I gave in and bought a pc as well.
The other thing I'll add is that I have yet to see a console game look just as good as its pc counterpart.
But again, if more games stat going the way of the console...
more and more games are multi platform, ie.. console as well as PC.. but the one consistent thing that is invariably pointed out in the reviews is this.. the PC versions tend to be superior.. usually in graphics, though not limited to, mostly the complaints about the PC version, is that the control interface is poorly adapted, and suffers from some of the limitations imposed upon it by the console version, but we are seeing more developers now stating that they will design games with the PC version being uppermost in priority... This might well be due to the fact that the current consoles (xbox360 ps3) are actually fairly dated technologically, so until the next console is released, the focus imo, is likely to stay on the PC.. rumour has it though that microsoft is aiming to release the next xbox version (720?) next year... not sure whether i believe it.. but.. i wouldnt rule it out.. now that.. might change things a bit.. but we'll see.. PC technology is still advancing.. as always..
DCU is doing "ok" on the playstation 3, where it doesnt even have any competiton.
I repeat its doing "ok" not exactly setting the world alight. So how does this and a bunch of pre-teens playing free realms spell that its the future. MMO's and Cloud gaming will still be more at home on the PC than on the console. The odd casual game aside MMOs are designed for the type of gamer who games instead of doing other passive activities (TV watching etc) where as the Console is designed for 2-3 hour play sessions and attracts a different style of gamer. MMOs in the traditional sense are large time sinks in that way.
No sorry, but to paraphrase DCU "Im Jack Ryder, and you are wrong"
Don't get me wrong i love playing on my playstation 3 but far as any online game should go on them is by being more co-op or fps online. Your capeabilities are always limited on a console as upgrades on them atm are limited too, where as with pc's you can upgrade anytime you like, there is easy communication methods e.g. you have a keyboard and dont have to splash out for a top of the range headset (obviously by choice) the reliability of a computer is usually much higher,and in general your more bad ass with a computer on an mmo btw most of the mmo's on consoles atm suck so there isnt much plause for an argument here. The main benefit from a console though is the fact you have a gaming community without having to log onto sites like mmorpg for example, like a constant running steam where you can team up with friends, but yet again i find that model suits fps's better where you can just jump in and join a friend, whereas with an mmo it should be enjoyable solo too. i suppose though it is left to your individual preferance though, if you would rather play with a remote then do it, but i just feel that atm the console is very limited and that any homebrewed attachtments would possibly be quite faulty, so im for pc folks
Personally I pray to whatever diety there is high above me they keep them seperate. There are times when I want to be simple and veg at the TV playing a consoule game and other times where I want to dive into the MMO I chose to dwell in. They (to me) are such seperate beasts you shouldnt really put them together or you get one beating the snacks out of the other. I dont know if they do it now but if they were to go the route of each MMO on PC will be on consoule, I would hope they'd atleast have different servers (with a way to keep them from hoping on the PC version servers)... Cause frankly, those toying on consoules all the time tend to lean toward being jerks when they play my MMO. .. And yes, not everyone is in this category but , be honest, Im guessing its a very, very high number.
I also share my opinion that this is an ADD nation now, kids want it and want it now, so the games are made to reflect that, beating them in a few hours or getting as high as fast as possible to win and then.. move on.
DCU is doing "ok" on the playstation 3, where it doesnt even have any competiton.
I repeat its doing "ok" not exactly setting the world alight. So how does this and a bunch of pre-teens playing free realms spell that its the future. MMO's and Cloud gaming will still be more at home on the PC than on the console. The odd casual game aside MMOs are designed for the type of gamer who games instead of doing other passive activities (TV watching etc) where as the Console is designed for 2-3 hour play sessions and attracts a different style of gamer. MMOs in the traditional sense are large time sinks in that way.
No sorry, but to paraphrase DCU "Im Jack Ryder, and you are wrong"
Both DCU and Freerealm are multi platform games, does usually suck badly.
A console only MMO made by some people who made MMOs and some people who worked on console games is the future, not lame porting or mid ways between PC and console games. The company making that game is Zombie labs, with lead designer Jaff Strain (Diablo, Warcraft 3, Guildwars 1 & 2).
You are right that console games attract a different style of gamers, but the key to success is to make a game for them, not for us PC gamers that regular MMOs are made for. SOE just doesn't have what it takes for that, even if Freerealms actually seems to be doing OK.
Took this quote from Yves Jacquier, Ubisoft's executive director of production services talking about console production:
"It's a challenge for the engineers to provide nice graphics and nice AI and nice sound with a very small amount of memory and computation time."
Pretty much sums up the current group of consoles. He went on to say they hope that the next generation of consoles eliminate or lessen this bottleneck, but they won't know until 2013 at the earliest.
Pretty much explains why making a MMO for any console dooms it to be 2nd rate, you really can't make a AAA title with those constraints and yes I do not consider DCUO to be a AAA title, it has little depth.
Personally i do tend to lean towards the PC i like my keyboard and enjoy having the ability to have more then a few skills with out having to scroll through a menu or something. However with Xbox 360's new Kinect i see allot of potential to make a mmo that makes you feel like a part of the world. literally swinging your sword and casting your spells. Your camera angle tied to turning your head. Literally being able to move every inch of your character by waving your hand or dancing your own lame victory dance. However with XBox 360 being Microsoft it is possible to see a PC version of Kinect on its way.
consoles wont ever be the future of anything simply due to the fact that the typical console player is the one looking for instant gratification wihtout commitement. not even talking about the technologic issues related to the fact of keeping a console turned on day after day after day.. until the power supply burns out in all its glory, etc etc..
Players wanting to commit themselves to gaming use personal computers, the majority of wich beeing the PC market with all its technologic gadgets and wonders.
The biggest difference between a console & PC (for gaming) these days are the controls.
The hardware has caught up to PCs, as far as graphics & internet connectivity. For what ever reason....I still don't understand why games don't come with game pad controller AND keyboard + mouse options for the console. Give me a keyboard & Mouse for all games not action based and I could get by with playing World of Warcraft 2 on my 40 inch HD TV with no problem.
No matter what happen when a game is released on console most time when its ported to PC or released simul both on console and pc the PC version is dumb down version with many times awekward controls and smaller game world or maps casual and silly gameplay and lesser graphics to please console crowd and we PC gamers get also this crap on our superior gaming rig.
I for one will not play Xplatform games unless im 100% convinced we get a treuly PC made game, but that will be very rare.
Its nice when also console gamers get the pure PC games like FPS RTS and now also mmo's but please keep your crappy made consoles games where it belong on the inferior consoles thank you.
Oh and for those who think graphics of consoles are same as PC are eather delusional or from other planet. PC is far superior if it comes to graphics becouse of hardware thats lightyears ahaead of consoles with DX11 option and higher resolution 1080p.
No matter what happen when a game is released on console most time when its ported to PC or released simul both on console and pc the PC version is dumb down version with many times awekward controls and smaller game world or maps casual and silly gameplay and lesser graphics to please console crowd and we PC gamers get also this crap on our superior gaming rig.
I for one will not play Xplatform games unless im 100% convinced we get a treuly PC made game, but that will be very rare.
Its nice when also console gamers get the pure PC games like FPS RTS and now also mmo's but please keep your crappy made consoles games where it belong on the inferior consoles thank you.
Oh and for those who think graphics of consoles are same as PC are eather delusional or from other planet. PC is far superior if it comes to graphics becouse of hardware thats lightyears ahaead of consoles with DX11 option and higher resolution 1080p.
Actually....considering the actual hardware inside the consoles, they do REALLY well on graphics & performance when compared to PC gaming rigs.
PS3 has a 2006 3 GHz processor, 256MB RAM...and a 550MHz NVida card....again...all hardware from 2006. Load up L.A. Noir and look at what an average PC rig can put out with comparable performance......there isn't that much of a difference.
"No matter what happen when a game is released on console most time when its ported to PC or released simul both on console and pc the PC version is dumb down version with many times awekward controls and smaller game world or maps casual and silly gameplay and lesser graphics to please console crowd and we PC gamers get also this crap on our superior gaming rig."
No PC game will ever be optimized to run on the best PC hardware configuration....much less just the cross platform ones. Many game developers will aim for their "sweet spot" in hardware requirements based on what they envision is the target auidence. Considering most PC gamers do not own a top of the line $4,000 gaming rig......most PC game developers will make their game work best on what is determined to be the "average" computer for their target audience.
So you really can't point to a top of the line PC Rig and then point to a console and say "Look...see, no comparison!".....because you could say the same with many PCs too.
Point being....there was a time where it was virtually a night & day difference between console machines & PCs. They are closer now than ever before.....just give me keyboard + mouse controls for the console!!!
DCUO was actually a really good MMO at launch. However, it lacked content and the patches and additional content actually caused problem. That was SOE screwing up another MMO and not a console problem.
It's only going to take one good console MMO for there to be a shift. And there are a good half dozens console MMOs that should be released in the next year.
not aware of any console MMO's even in development.. let alone half a dozen.. hope its not games like Halo reach.. which are as much an MMO as Counterstrike is.. ie.. not one. so unless we're talking real MMO's .. i just don't see it.. at the moment there is no indication of any kind of shift towards Console based MMO's...
Console MMOs in development: Undead Labs zombie MMO, Defiance, Planetside 2, Everquest Next, Dust 514 and the unannounced Turbine console MMO.
All are hitting console within a year or so.
We don't know anything about Everquest Next other than its going to be set before EQ1. So saying its coming out for console site teh source.
only problem there is for mmos to be on a consel is payments every month and not talking about pay to play the mmo im talking about like xbox live if people have to pay for xbox live and plus the mmo to play monthly thats asking too much and if people are willing to do such a thing the community would be crap cuz there would be hardly any people inless they find a way to give free internet to consels witch is highly unlikly inless its for ps3 cause they have free internet but witch there internet system isent that great eaither.
only problem there is for mmos to be on a consel is payments every month and not talking about pay to play the mmo im talking about like xbox live if people have to pay for xbox live and plus the mmo to play monthly thats asking too much and if people are willing to do such a thing the community would be crap cuz there would be hardly any people inless they find a way to give free internet to consels witch is highly unlikly inless its for ps3 cause they have free internet but witch there internet system isent that great eaither.
The Undead Labs Xbox 360 mmo is lead by Jeff Strain (co-founder of ArenaNet and GW). I'm sure he will think of something more than a standard monthly payment.
only problem there is for mmos to be on a consel is payments every month and not talking about pay to play the mmo im talking about like xbox live if people have to pay for xbox live and plus the mmo to play monthly thats asking too much and if people are willing to do such a thing the community would be crap cuz there would be hardly any people inless they find a way to give free internet to consels witch is highly unlikly inless its for ps3 cause they have free internet but witch there internet system isent that great eaither.
I see your point about XBOX Live....but this is mainly a Microsoft issue...not a console issue. The Wii & PS3 have free internet service and wouldn't be bothered by this. With that said, Microsoft could do any number of things, from subsidising the game company to just electing to not pick up the game.
But still not seeing how this would have an issue community wise.....considering there will still be PS3 & Wii players available.
Also...not knocking you if English isn't your primary language, but if it is......you should get your money back.
As long as I can hook up a mouse and keyboard to it, I don't care.
I own a PS3, no way would I have bought DCOU for it, its just for watching movies on. For my PC I have k/b, mouse, DFGT wheel, Thrustmaster throttle and stick and a 48 inch Monitor.
Why in gods name would I want to twiddle 2 sticks and be stuck with about 10 buttons, lousy graphics and a bitching match cause I want to take over the TV.
I would have to say I agree with you "but" if at some point more and more games are made for ocnsoles and eschew the pc's then "as long as I can hook up a mouse and keyboard to it I don't care".
Let's put it this way, I mostly use a Mac in my life. except over the years the games came less and less. So I gave in and bought a pc as well.
The other thing I'll add is that I have yet to see a console game look just as good as its pc counterpart.
But again, if more games stat going the way of the console...
more and more games are multi platform, ie.. console as well as PC.. but the one consistent thing that is invariably pointed out in the reviews is this.. the PC versions tend to be superior.. usually in graphics, though not limited to, mostly the complaints about the PC version, is that the control interface is poorly adapted, and suffers from some of the limitations imposed upon it by the console version, but we are seeing more developers now stating that they will design games with the PC version being uppermost in priority... This might well be due to the fact that the current consoles (xbox360 ps3) are actually fairly dated technologically, so until the next console is released, the focus imo, is likely to stay on the PC.. rumour has it though that microsoft is aiming to release the next xbox version (720?) next year... not sure whether i believe it.. but.. i wouldnt rule it out.. now that.. might change things a bit.. but we'll see.. PC technology is still advancing.. as always..
Well, let's hope that superior looking pc games are always made. I have yet to buy a console (well, except for a cheap x-box that I used to play some buffy the vampire games with a friend who was a buffy fan) and don't plan on doing it, even though there have been a few games that have been console only games that looked great.
@Ellisia, I don't disagree with you. Consoles seem to be more about lounging in front of a TV and taking up a room and I don't find myself a "lounger". Though taking up a room wouldn't be an issue with me as I'm not a family man. And as I said before, I hate console controllers with a passion.
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PCs can be hooked up to regular tvs. everyone knows this, but to call a console gamer a 'lounger" makes no sense, u people act like console gamers are idiots when just as many can say the same for us Pc gamers. It's not bout which one is better, it is about which one makes the most money and as far as i can tell, i might be wrong but Console games outsell PC by a wide margin. if it was not for Blizzard or Valve, Pc gaming would be dead. not hurt but dead. im not saying Console is better or PC is better, but developers are gonna go where the players are and money is and unless something drastic changes in what we call our flagship genre, MMOs, its gonna get worse. Have any of u played an mmo lately, they suck. same old same old grind. PCs will always have the ability to outshine Consoles on tech, no doubt, but most people wont pay the money for a small amount of difference and alot more headache when all they have to do is buy a system, plug it in and play. That may be from inexperience with PC tech, im sure that has something to do with it but alot of people just dont and wont spend the money, and dont want to mess with it when they turn a machine on and play. PC gaming will not die off anytime soon but people also said FPS games couldnt be done on console and yet here we are. Take this how u want, im an avid MMO player myself, but PC gaming is fading because of cost, and complexity, and dont tell me u can buy a really good gaming pc for 400-500 dollars cause u cant play half the games out with the supposed better graphics on tech that low. You might be able to play games on it, but it wont play those mind numbing better graphics that PC gamers boost about.
Applications for MMO guilds??? Sorry not that pathetic just yet
The answers going to be no , atleast with current generation. The main reason , the systems cannot grow or evolve , they are stagnant in the hardware end . Ultimately that's the real problem. The OS is stuck as are the graphics. Once a console is designed that has changable hardware then youcan possibly contend that they could. Though what's the point , you've just turned the console into a PC ? The achilles heel of consoles is the hardware gets dated with time and without upgrading it , stagnation commences. Consoles offer simplicity and stability to devs and gamers alike, what they don't offer is adaptablity to the future. Put it to you this way , you've a 7 or 8 year old PC which when ti was built was top of the line the best of everything. How's Crysis 2 going to look and run on it ? For what people are paying for top of the line all the bells and whistle consoles ( say it falls in the $300 to $450 range / variation due to accessories), you can pick up a pretty dan good laptop/notebook to game on. If you're inclined you can get even better laptop/notebook gaming PC for anywhere to $200 to $400 more, with more flexiblity.
DCUO was actually a really good MMO at launch. However, it lacked content and the patches and additional content actually caused problem. That was SOE screwing up another MMO and not a console problem.
It's only going to take one good console MMO for there to be a shift. And there are a good half dozens console MMOs that should be released in the next year.
not aware of any console MMO's even in development.. let alone half a dozen.. hope its not games like Halo reach.. which are as much an MMO as Counterstrike is.. ie.. not one. so unless we're talking real MMO's .. i just don't see it.. at the moment there is no indication of any kind of shift towards Console based MMO's...
Console MMOs in development: Undead Labs zombie MMO, Defiance, Planetside 2, Everquest Next, Dust 514 and the unannounced Turbine console MMO.
All are hitting console within a year or so.
We don't know anything about Everquest Next other than its going to be set before EQ1. So saying its coming out for console site teh source.
Of course $ony can and actually has to , it's a Sony project start to finish . If it hits , it'll be profitible. Besides they've pumped so much money into the PS 3 , I don't think it's reached breakeven yet ? $ony needs to keep consoles relevant for a while longer to ensure a healthy profit margin, otherwise they wasted their time and resources. Heck Ubisoft complaining about developing on consoles , EA is reducing it's product profile and new content for this generation of consoles. The only company really pumping money and games into consoles seems to be $ony and dillusional companies that believe this generation of consoles are the future.
DCUO was actually a really good MMO at launch. However, it lacked content and the patches and additional content actually caused problem. That was SOE screwing up another MMO and not a console problem.
It's only going to take one good console MMO for there to be a shift. And there are a good half dozens console MMOs that should be released in the next year.
not aware of any console MMO's even in development.. let alone half a dozen.. hope its not games like Halo reach.. which are as much an MMO as Counterstrike is.. ie.. not one. so unless we're talking real MMO's .. i just don't see it.. at the moment there is no indication of any kind of shift towards Console based MMO's...
Console MMOs in development: Undead Labs zombie MMO, Defiance, Planetside 2, Everquest Next, Dust 514 and the unannounced Turbine console MMO.
All are hitting console within a year or so.
.. Defiance.. hard to imagine how they will manage to balance a FPS game for the PC so that the console players stand a chance.. but.. once more info is out we'll see if it makes it to console even.. Planetside 2 or Next.. currently vapourware, and questionable if it would be console anyway, Everquest Next... stands more chance of being on console, probably along the lines of Everquest online adventures.. but.. we'll see how that goes.. nothing certain even at this stage.. Dust 514... on PS3 only.. as the dirt side part of Eve... always felt that was a let down.. but .. PC players would have had too much advantage.. so i can see why it was limited to PS3 only.. even if i don't agree with that decision.. a hell of a lot of IF's in there tbh.. a long long way from being definite or even 'platform' changing...
When one or more of the console MMOs listed above really catches on and significant community emerges...do I get to say I told you so? Or are you going to come up with reasons why console MMO player don't really count as MMO players?
I wont hold my breath waiting for that to happen. Console gamers are not going to pay the premium PC players are willing to pay for an MMO ontop of their live/PSN subs etc. Not in anything like the number PC gamers will. If they were willing to pay premium prices for premium experiences they would already own a PC....
DCUO was actually a really good MMO at launch. However, it lacked content and the patches and additional content actually caused problem. That was SOE screwing up another MMO and not a console problem.
It's only going to take one good console MMO for there to be a shift. And there are a good half dozens console MMOs that should be released in the next year.
not aware of any console MMO's even in development.. let alone half a dozen.. hope its not games like Halo reach.. which are as much an MMO as Counterstrike is.. ie.. not one. so unless we're talking real MMO's .. i just don't see it.. at the moment there is no indication of any kind of shift towards Console based MMO's...
Console MMOs in development: Undead Labs zombie MMO, Defiance, Planetside 2, Everquest Next, Dust 514 and the unannounced Turbine console MMO.
All are hitting console within a year or so.
.. Defiance.. hard to imagine how they will manage to balance a FPS game for the PC so that the console players stand a chance.. but.. once more info is out we'll see if it makes it to console even.. Planetside 2 or Next.. currently vapourware, and questionable if it would be console anyway, Everquest Next... stands more chance of being on console, probably along the lines of Everquest online adventures.. but.. we'll see how that goes.. nothing certain even at this stage.. Dust 514... on PS3 only.. as the dirt side part of Eve... always felt that was a let down.. but .. PC players would have had too much advantage.. so i can see why it was limited to PS3 only.. even if i don't agree with that decision.. a hell of a lot of IF's in there tbh.. a long long way from being definite or even 'platform' changing...
When one or more of the console MMOs listed above really catches on and significant community emerges...do I get to say I told you so? Or are you going to come up with reasons why console MMO player don't really count as MMO players?
I wont hold my breath waiting for that to happen. Console gamers are not going to pay the premium PC players are willing to pay for an MMO ontop of their live/PSN subs etc. Not in anything like the number PC gamers will. If they were willing to pay premium prices for premium experiences they would already own a PC....
"Premium" PC MMOs? The trend even among PC MMOs is towards either free to play, buy to play or freemium.
Have you been living under a rock for the last few years?
consoles wont ever be the future of anything simply due to the fact that the typical console player is the one looking for instant gratification wihtout commitement. not even talking about the technologic issues related to the fact of keeping a console turned on day after day after day.. until the power supply burns out in all its glory, etc etc..
Players wanting to commit themselves to gaming use personal computers, the majority of wich beeing the PC market with all its technologic gadgets and wonders.
So sadly misinformed.
Theres tons of console gamers out there, especiallly those who play FPS games consistently, who spend just as much time or more playing as many dedicated MMORPG players. I used to be one of them. I ran a clan for 3 1/2 years across several FPS games as well as being on the staff of gamebattles.com. I spent more time playing each of those individual games (usually 10-15 hours a day nearly every day for stints of 6 months to a year before moving onto a newer game) than i have on any MMO in the past couple years aside from maybe WAR. Most of the people i played with, both in my clan and in the dozens/hundreds of other clans were the same.
Theres tons of casual players on the consoles, but same goes for PC. Just like with guilds full of hardcore players who play all day every day on MMORPGs there are clans on FPS console games which consist of hardcore players that spend the majority of the day playing every day. And thats just with an FPS game which doesnt typically require a ton of time invested to "advance" your character (just your individual skills as a player). Ther ehave been gamers already released on consoles like Final Fantasy and Phantasy Star which also have a lot of hardcore players. Any console MMOs in the future would have them as well.
Seperating casual short term players vs hardcore dedicated players between console and PC is just plain ignorant.
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Any news on an MMO game venturing into iPad or similar platform?
more and more games are multi platform, ie.. console as well as PC.. but the one consistent thing that is invariably pointed out in the reviews is this.. the PC versions tend to be superior.. usually in graphics, though not limited to, mostly the complaints about the PC version, is that the control interface is poorly adapted, and suffers from some of the limitations imposed upon it by the console version, but we are seeing more developers now stating that they will design games with the PC version being uppermost in priority... This might well be due to the fact that the current consoles (xbox360 ps3) are actually fairly dated technologically, so until the next console is released, the focus imo, is likely to stay on the PC.. rumour has it though that microsoft is aiming to release the next xbox version (720?) next year... not sure whether i believe it.. but.. i wouldnt rule it out.. now that.. might change things a bit.. but we'll see.. PC technology is still advancing.. as always..
DCU is doing "ok" on the playstation 3, where it doesnt even have any competiton.
I repeat its doing "ok" not exactly setting the world alight. So how does this and a bunch of pre-teens playing free realms spell that its the future. MMO's and Cloud gaming will still be more at home on the PC than on the console. The odd casual game aside MMOs are designed for the type of gamer who games instead of doing other passive activities (TV watching etc) where as the Console is designed for 2-3 hour play sessions and attracts a different style of gamer. MMOs in the traditional sense are large time sinks in that way.
No sorry, but to paraphrase DCU "Im Jack Ryder, and you are wrong"
Don't get me wrong i love playing on my playstation 3 but far as any online game should go on them is by being more co-op or fps online. Your capeabilities are always limited on a console as upgrades on them atm are limited too, where as with pc's you can upgrade anytime you like, there is easy communication methods e.g. you have a keyboard and dont have to splash out for a top of the range headset (obviously by choice) the reliability of a computer is usually much higher,and in general your more bad ass with a computer on an mmo
btw most of the mmo's on consoles atm suck so there isnt much plause for an argument here. The main benefit from a console though is the fact you have a gaming community without having to log onto sites like mmorpg for example, like a constant running steam where you can team up with friends, but yet again i find that model suits fps's better where you can just jump in and join a friend, whereas with an mmo it should be enjoyable solo too. i suppose though it is left to your individual preferance though, if you would rather play with a remote then do it, but i just feel that atm the console is very limited and that any homebrewed attachtments would possibly be quite faulty, so im for pc folks 
MMORPGs will always be PC focused. Consoles are for driving and maybe action games.
Personally I pray to whatever diety there is high above me they keep them seperate. There are times when I want to be simple and veg at the TV playing a consoule game and other times where I want to dive into the MMO I chose to dwell in. They (to me) are such seperate beasts you shouldnt really put them together or you get one beating the snacks out of the other. I dont know if they do it now but if they were to go the route of each MMO on PC will be on consoule, I would hope they'd atleast have different servers (with a way to keep them from hoping on the PC version servers)... Cause frankly, those toying on consoules all the time tend to lean toward being jerks when they play my MMO. .. And yes, not everyone is in this category but , be honest, Im guessing its a very, very high number.
I also share my opinion that this is an ADD nation now, kids want it and want it now, so the games are made to reflect that, beating them in a few hours or getting as high as fast as possible to win and then.. move on.
And off subjects... Mmmm, Coffee..... *sips*
Both DCU and Freerealm are multi platform games, does usually suck badly.
A console only MMO made by some people who made MMOs and some people who worked on console games is the future, not lame porting or mid ways between PC and console games. The company making that game is Zombie labs, with lead designer Jaff Strain (Diablo, Warcraft 3, Guildwars 1 & 2).
You are right that console games attract a different style of gamers, but the key to success is to make a game for them, not for us PC gamers that regular MMOs are made for. SOE just doesn't have what it takes for that, even if Freerealms actually seems to be doing OK.
Took this quote from Yves Jacquier, Ubisoft's executive director of production services talking about console production:
"It's a challenge for the engineers to provide nice graphics and nice AI and nice sound with a very small amount of memory and computation time."
Pretty much sums up the current group of consoles. He went on to say they hope that the next generation of consoles eliminate or lessen this bottleneck, but they won't know until 2013 at the earliest.
Pretty much explains why making a MMO for any console dooms it to be 2nd rate, you really can't make a AAA title with those constraints and yes I do not consider DCUO to be a AAA title, it has little depth.
Personally i do tend to lean towards the PC i like my keyboard and enjoy having the ability to have more then a few skills with out having to scroll through a menu or something. However with Xbox 360's new Kinect i see allot of potential to make a mmo that makes you feel like a part of the world. literally swinging your sword and casting your spells. Your camera angle tied to turning your head. Literally being able to move every inch of your character by waving your hand or dancing your own lame victory dance. However with XBox 360 being Microsoft it is possible to see a PC version of Kinect on its way.
consoles wont ever be the future of anything simply due to the fact that the typical console player is the one looking for instant gratification wihtout commitement. not even talking about the technologic issues related to the fact of keeping a console turned on day after day after day.. until the power supply burns out in all its glory, etc etc..
Players wanting to commit themselves to gaming use personal computers, the majority of wich beeing the PC market with all its technologic gadgets and wonders.
You guys are thinking about this all wrong...
The biggest difference between a console & PC (for gaming) these days are the controls.
The hardware has caught up to PCs, as far as graphics & internet connectivity. For what ever reason....I still don't understand why games don't come with game pad controller AND keyboard + mouse options for the console. Give me a keyboard & Mouse for all games not action based and I could get by with playing World of Warcraft 2 on my 40 inch HD TV with no problem.
No matter what happen when a game is released on console most time when its ported to PC or released simul both on console and pc the PC version is dumb down version with many times awekward controls and smaller game world or maps casual and silly gameplay and lesser graphics to please console crowd and we PC gamers get also this crap on our superior gaming rig.
I for one will not play Xplatform games unless im 100% convinced we get a treuly PC made game, but that will be very rare.
Its nice when also console gamers get the pure PC games like FPS RTS and now also mmo's but please keep your crappy made consoles games where it belong on the inferior consoles thank you.
Oh and for those who think graphics of consoles are same as PC are eather delusional or from other planet. PC is far superior if it comes to graphics becouse of hardware thats lightyears ahaead of consoles with DX11 option and higher resolution 1080p.
Actually....considering the actual hardware inside the consoles, they do REALLY well on graphics & performance when compared to PC gaming rigs.
PS3 has a 2006 3 GHz processor, 256MB RAM...and a 550MHz NVida card....again...all hardware from 2006. Load up L.A. Noir and look at what an average PC rig can put out with comparable performance......there isn't that much of a difference.
"No matter what happen when a game is released on console most time when its ported to PC or released simul both on console and pc the PC version is dumb down version with many times awekward controls and smaller game world or maps casual and silly gameplay and lesser graphics to please console crowd and we PC gamers get also this crap on our superior gaming rig."
No PC game will ever be optimized to run on the best PC hardware configuration....much less just the cross platform ones. Many game developers will aim for their "sweet spot" in hardware requirements based on what they envision is the target auidence. Considering most PC gamers do not own a top of the line $4,000 gaming rig......most PC game developers will make their game work best on what is determined to be the "average" computer for their target audience.
So you really can't point to a top of the line PC Rig and then point to a console and say "Look...see, no comparison!".....because you could say the same with many PCs too.
Point being....there was a time where it was virtually a night & day difference between console machines & PCs. They are closer now than ever before.....just give me keyboard + mouse controls for the console!!!
Sony hints at Everquest 3 on PS3
only problem there is for mmos to be on a consel is payments every month and not talking about pay to play the mmo im talking about like xbox live if people have to pay for xbox live and plus the mmo to play monthly thats asking too much and if people are willing to do such a thing the community would be crap cuz there would be hardly any people inless they find a way to give free internet to consels witch is highly unlikly inless its for ps3 cause they have free internet but witch there internet system isent that great eaither.
The Undead Labs Xbox 360 mmo is lead by Jeff Strain (co-founder of ArenaNet and GW). I'm sure he will think of something more than a standard monthly payment.
I see your point about XBOX Live....but this is mainly a Microsoft issue...not a console issue. The Wii & PS3 have free internet service and wouldn't be bothered by this. With that said, Microsoft could do any number of things, from subsidising the game company to just electing to not pick up the game.
But still not seeing how this would have an issue community wise.....considering there will still be PS3 & Wii players available.
Also...not knocking you if English isn't your primary language, but if it is......you should get your money back.
Well, let's hope that superior looking pc games are always made. I have yet to buy a console (well, except for a cheap x-box that I used to play some buffy the vampire games with a friend who was a buffy fan) and don't plan on doing it, even though there have been a few games that have been console only games that looked great.
@Ellisia, I don't disagree with you. Consoles seem to be more about lounging in front of a TV and taking up a room and I don't find myself a "lounger". Though taking up a room wouldn't be an issue with me as I'm not a family man. And as I said before, I hate console controllers with a passion.
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PCs can be hooked up to regular tvs. everyone knows this, but to call a console gamer a 'lounger" makes no sense, u people act like console gamers are idiots when just as many can say the same for us Pc gamers. It's not bout which one is better, it is about which one makes the most money and as far as i can tell, i might be wrong but Console games outsell PC by a wide margin. if it was not for Blizzard or Valve, Pc gaming would be dead. not hurt but dead. im not saying Console is better or PC is better, but developers are gonna go where the players are and money is and unless something drastic changes in what we call our flagship genre, MMOs, its gonna get worse. Have any of u played an mmo lately, they suck. same old same old grind. PCs will always have the ability to outshine Consoles on tech, no doubt, but most people wont pay the money for a small amount of difference and alot more headache when all they have to do is buy a system, plug it in and play. That may be from inexperience with PC tech, im sure that has something to do with it but alot of people just dont and wont spend the money, and dont want to mess with it when they turn a machine on and play. PC gaming will not die off anytime soon but people also said FPS games couldnt be done on console and yet here we are. Take this how u want, im an avid MMO player myself, but PC gaming is fading because of cost, and complexity, and dont tell me u can buy a really good gaming pc for 400-500 dollars cause u cant play half the games out with the supposed better graphics on tech that low. You might be able to play games on it, but it wont play those mind numbing better graphics that PC gamers boost about.
Applications for MMO guilds??? Sorry not that pathetic just yet
The answers going to be no , atleast with current generation. The main reason , the systems cannot grow or evolve , they are stagnant in the hardware end . Ultimately that's the real problem. The OS is stuck as are the graphics. Once a console is designed that has changable hardware then youcan possibly contend that they could. Though what's the point , you've just turned the console into a PC ? The achilles heel of consoles is the hardware gets dated with time and without upgrading it , stagnation commences. Consoles offer simplicity and stability to devs and gamers alike, what they don't offer is adaptablity to the future. Put it to you this way , you've a 7 or 8 year old PC which when ti was built was top of the line the best of everything. How's Crysis 2 going to look and run on it ? For what people are paying for top of the line all the bells and whistle consoles ( say it falls in the $300 to $450 range / variation due to accessories), you can pick up a pretty dan good laptop/notebook to game on. If you're inclined you can get even better laptop/notebook gaming PC for anywhere to $200 to $400 more, with more flexiblity.
Of course $ony can and actually has to , it's a Sony project start to finish . If it hits , it'll be profitible. Besides they've pumped so much money into the PS 3 , I don't think it's reached breakeven yet ? $ony needs to keep consoles relevant for a while longer to ensure a healthy profit margin, otherwise they wasted their time and resources. Heck Ubisoft complaining about developing on consoles , EA is reducing it's product profile and new content for this generation of consoles. The only company really pumping money and games into consoles seems to be $ony and dillusional companies that believe this generation of consoles are the future.
So many predictions these days. I predict the car has no future.
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I wont hold my breath waiting for that to happen. Console gamers are not going to pay the premium PC players are willing to pay for an MMO ontop of their live/PSN subs etc. Not in anything like the number PC gamers will. If they were willing to pay premium prices for premium experiences they would already own a PC....
"Premium" PC MMOs? The trend even among PC MMOs is towards either free to play, buy to play or freemium.
Have you been living under a rock for the last few years?
So sadly misinformed.
Theres tons of console gamers out there, especiallly those who play FPS games consistently, who spend just as much time or more playing as many dedicated MMORPG players. I used to be one of them. I ran a clan for 3 1/2 years across several FPS games as well as being on the staff of gamebattles.com. I spent more time playing each of those individual games (usually 10-15 hours a day nearly every day for stints of 6 months to a year before moving onto a newer game) than i have on any MMO in the past couple years aside from maybe WAR. Most of the people i played with, both in my clan and in the dozens/hundreds of other clans were the same.
Theres tons of casual players on the consoles, but same goes for PC. Just like with guilds full of hardcore players who play all day every day on MMORPGs there are clans on FPS console games which consist of hardcore players that spend the majority of the day playing every day. And thats just with an FPS game which doesnt typically require a ton of time invested to "advance" your character (just your individual skills as a player). Ther ehave been gamers already released on consoles like Final Fantasy and Phantasy Star which also have a lot of hardcore players. Any console MMOs in the future would have them as well.
Seperating casual short term players vs hardcore dedicated players between console and PC is just plain ignorant.