Sorry, but no. I really like Brian, always enjoyed listening to him in the podcast, but he is so enthusiastic about XIV he couldn't write an unbiased review if his life depended on it. If you read his stuff as a fans perspective on the game, that is fine, and it's worth reading, but it's not a balanced review.
I just got done reading the link. Sorry but SE could probably delete his character, and the only thing he would say is "It was for the best". I know personally I wouldn't read anything of his, if I was looking for an objective opinion or review. This guy wouldn't even be on the list.
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I agree 5/10 this game. I have played it on release day.... the game graphic is excellent(best thing about the game). However the thing is really affecting the game:
--UI(User interface)--
Ex: when ur talking to NPC and it takes while to go next section whta u want(buy or sell). Or crafting, takes awhile to get recipe ready to make.
--Very Solo Game--
Ex: You can solo for 90% of the time. You have to spend much time to craft, leves, till they are all maxed due to repair. Then finally you can level your job class to max. This is dumb setup, needs to refix this whole system so we can social better!!
--Content--
The content isnt big enough. Its hard to explain...
--Levequest--
Believe it or not.. its VERY repeatitive and dull. It needs to be eliminated or revamp. Its like ur on leash to do it to max your growth.
Its just couple things to mention.. there is much more to say but those above i post is most important thing to fix about the game.
Well thats why you shouldnt base a decision on MMOs from release let me break this down for you.
UI slowness mostly fixed in Dec i think it was, although going through a full inventory still can take a bit of time, only multiselect will fix this
Solo game, being fixed as we speak, 1.18 made party grinding the most effective way to party, however people still dont use the party search feature and grind with their linkshells, and the instanced raids require parties of 4 or 8 depending on which one you are doing.
Content is like all MMOs being adressed through the life of the game, but since release we got sidequests, grand company quests, instanced raids which isnt much but its being added in every patch.
Levequests have been revamped for solo players rather than the main way to get SP, and will undergo more changes in future patches, infact right now they are barely worth doing because grinding is supposedly better SP.
Also we have seen the start of the combat revamp and it just needs some changes to be as close to perfect as we can get. All your complaints have been addressed to some extent this is not like the release version now, which is why this review was out of date 4 days after this review was published
I agree 5/10 this game. I have played it on release day.... the game graphic is excellent(best thing about the game). However the thing is really affecting the game:
--UI(User interface)--
Ex: when ur talking to NPC and it takes while to go next section whta u want(buy or sell). Or crafting, takes awhile to get recipe ready to make.
--Very Solo Game--
Which is wrong. You can solo, but it is much faster to group and the vast majority of people maybe 90% do group. You also can't even solo any instances which can only be done in groups, as now can many NM's (though not by force, just because I don't think a single player can solo them any longer).
Ex: You can solo for 90% of the time. You have to spend much time to craft, leves, till they are all maxed due to repair. Then finally you can level your job class to max. This is dumb setup, needs to refix this whole system so we can social better!!
--Levequest--
It was revamped, you are no longer on a leash. There are better ways to progress your character. Unless you are a 100% solo player there is no reason to really do all 8 of your leves every reset, but for pure solo players they are getting rid of the 36 hour rest in 1.19.
Believe it or not.. its VERY repeatitive and dull. It needs to be eliminated or revamp. Its like ur on leash to do it to max your growth.
Its just couple things to mention.. there is much more to say but those above i post is most important thing to fix about the game.
Well thats why you shouldnt base a decision on MMOs from release let me break this down for you.
UI slowness mostly fixed in Dec i think it was, although going through a full inventory still can take a bit of time, only multiselect will fix this
Solo game, being fixed as we speak, 1.18 made party grinding the most effective way to party, however people still dont use the party search feature and grind with their linkshells, and the instanced raids require parties of 4 or 8 depending on which one you are doing.
Content is like all MMOs being adressed through the life of the game, but since release we got sidequests, grand company quests, instanced raids which isnt much but its being added in every patch.
Levequests have been revamped for solo players rather than the main way to get SP, and will undergo more changes in future patches, infact right now they are barely worth doing because grinding is supposedly better SP.
Also we have seen the start of the combat revamp and it just needs some changes to be as close to perfect as we can get. All your complaints have been addressed to some extent this is not like the release version now, which is why this review was out of date 4 days after this review was published
I have to agree that YoshiPism is one of the strangest thing I have ever seen. It simply bogles my mind that there are people with such ideas, I understand having some faith he will do something good to the game but this.. Just woow and it speaks a lot about the kind of people visiting FF XIV forums.
You have to realize that Yoshi P is apparently one of the best directors/producers currently in the business you can have working on your MMORPG. What he is doing to revamp this game is unprecedented in a AAA mmo, it blows what Sony did with EQ2 out of the water. I've played a lot of Sony games and Square Enix is just proving they are exponentially the better developer that is actually commited to their MMO's/players. If Yoshi P/Square Enix had been at the helm of Vanguard I guarantee that game would have gone much differently.
That game, and many other quality MMO's have simply been railroaded by their publishers and the people in charge of their development, so you'll have to forgive people for apprieciating the guy for actually being commited to fixing their game, it is a rare thing in MMO's these days.
Really?? I hope you are not part of that YoshiPism fanatical group. 0.0
I have yet to see Yoshi P. pull off something like the Echoes of Faydwer expansion for EQ2, but then for FFXIV ! Until then lets keep both feet on the ground and keep things more in perspective okay??
EoF was the best and largest expansion to date of any MMO I have seen. It was THE expansion that really turned around EverQuest 2 and brought back a hell lot of people to the game! Rise of Kunark after that was also a pretty huge expansion. (unfortunately after Kunark SOE pulled away lot of devs and the game went downhill from there on... but that is a different matter)
Those were paid expansions though. Overall I think there was less work to be done in EQ2 and they still botched it and threw in the towel. Vanguard is more comparable, Vanguard got no expansions in fact they told us not to even get our hopes up for one because they wouldn't fix the code to allow expansions to be added. They chipped away at a skeleton crew in charge of developing/fixing the game, and a much better game than EQ2 (even after Faydwer) basically was left to basically stagnate with no hope of ever being what it could have been. That was sad for the people who actually enjoyed the game.
The YoshiPism religion thread is a joke, they are just supporting what he has done as developer so far. They don't actually worship him, or do anything else that was posted above (like systematically attacking negative posters lol). But no, I'm a tarvuist. I'll be a tarvuist to the day I die. My hatred of the evil Barvu and all who follow him (Phil Collins) is simply beyond words.
you are right it is a joke. it's funny that people actually have such true faith in any one person. it's been stated in this very thread that yoshi is one of the best directors/producers in the world. this is the first game he has ever been in charge of. for those of you that do not believe that the fanbois are systematically attacking people with any criticism take a few looks at these and tell me if that is false or not.
read any of those and tell me there's not personal attacks going on in those forums. it's to the point most players in the game that has any complaint about any part of the game refuses to go on the forums at all. they already know from seeing what goes on there that they will be constantly bashed for saying anything negative about anything the game offers at all. you are more than welcome to go on there if you bash tanaka, but it's showing truth again that the majority of the blame should go on wada for pushing a rushed release of an unfinished game in the first place.
I have to agree that YoshiPism is one of the strangest thing I have ever seen. It simply bogles my mind that there are people with such ideas, I understand having some faith he will do something good to the game but this.. Just woow and it speaks a lot about the kind of people visiting FF XIV forums.
You have to realize that Yoshi P is apparently one of the best directors/producers currently in the business you can have working on your MMORPG. What he is doing to revamp this game is unprecedented in a AAA mmo, it blows what Sony did with EQ2 out of the water. I've played a lot of Sony games and Square Enix is just proving they are exponentially the better developer that is actually commited to their MMO's/players. If Yoshi P/Square Enix had been at the helm of Vanguard I guarantee that game would have gone much differently.
That game, and many other quality MMO's have simply been railroaded by their publishers and the people in charge of their development, so you'll have to forgive people for apprieciating the guy for actually being commited to fixing their game, it is a rare thing in MMO's these days.
Really?? I hope you are not part of that YoshiPism fanatical group. 0.0
I have yet to see Yoshi P. pull off something like the Echoes of Faydwer expansion for EQ2, but then for FFXIV ! Until then lets keep both feet on the ground and keep things more in perspective okay??
EoF was the best and largest expansion to date of any MMO I have seen. It was THE expansion that really turned around EverQuest 2 and brought back a hell lot of people to the game! Rise of Kunark after that was also a pretty huge expansion. (unfortunately after Kunark SOE pulled away lot of devs and the game went downhill from there on... but that is a different matter)
Those were paid expansions though. Overall I think there was less work to be done in EQ2 and they still botched it and threw in the towel. Vanguard is more comparable, Vanguard got no expansions in fact they told us not to even get our hopes up for one because they wouldn't fix the code to allow expansions to be added. They chipped away at a skeleton crew in charge of developing/fixing the game, and a much better game than EQ2 (even after Faydwer) basically was left to basically stagnate with no hope of ever being what it could have been. That was sad for the people who actually enjoyed the game.
The YoshiPism religion thread is a joke, they are just supporting what he has done as developer so far. They don't actually worship him, or do anything else that was posted above (like systematically attacking negative posters lol). But no, I'm a tarvuist. I'll be a tarvuist to the day I die. My hatred of the evil Barvu and all who follow him (Phil Collins) is simply beyond words.
you are right it is a joke. it's funny that people actually have such true faith in any one person. it's been stated in this very thread that yoshi is one of the best directors/producers in the world. this is the first game he has ever been in charge of. for those of you that do not believe that the fanbois are systematically attacking people with any criticism take a few looks at these and tell me if that is false or not.
read any of those and tell me there's not personal attacks going on in those forums. it's to the point most players in the game that has any complaint about any part of the game refuses to go on the forums at all. they already know from seeing what goes on there that they will be constantly bashed for saying anything negative about anything the game offers at all. you are more than welcome to go on there if you bash tanaka, but it's showing truth again that the majority of the blame should go on wada for pushing a rushed release of an unfinished game in the first place.
That is such a ridiculous statement, that any player who has a complaint refuses to go on the forums at all. Way to cherry pick your threads there btw, and if you read the comments you would realize that they are bumped primarily by people criticizing those few people for their optimism.
if anything a handful of trolls on the official forums General Discussion Board are responsible for the greatest number of useless topics of which they create about 5-10 a day. There are far more people in support of the patch, but even still the majority of posters are simply players who sometimes post criticisms but mostly post useful feedback/information about the game. All forums are pretty worthless a few days after patch because of the number of clueless people who come on their whining about something (like the archer thread) before they even understand it.
Same thing with a number of threads whining about Darkhold excluding melee, which it absolutely does not, not at all, not one single bit. Those people were wrong, they have been shown to be wrong, it is not even a matter of opinion just a fact. Sometimes people who rant really don't know what it is they are talking about as it turns out.
As I said before this review was out of date when it was written and it is even more out of date after 1.18 it is just meaningless drivel and should be removed because it is just missleading now.
Anyone that reads it that play FFXIV now and has half a brain will agree that it just looks like a load of biased drivel because it is so missleading.
I have to agree that YoshiPism is one of the strangest thing I have ever seen. It simply bogles my mind that there are people with such ideas, I understand having some faith he will do something good to the game but this.. Just woow and it speaks a lot about the kind of people visiting FF XIV forums.
You have to realize that Yoshi P is apparently one of the best directors/producers currently in the business you can have working on your MMORPG. What he is doing to revamp this game is unprecedented in a AAA mmo, it blows what Sony did with EQ2 out of the water. I've played a lot of Sony games and Square Enix is just proving they are exponentially the better developer that is actually commited to their MMO's/players. If Yoshi P/Square Enix had been at the helm of Vanguard I guarantee that game would have gone much differently.
That game, and many other quality MMO's have simply been railroaded by their publishers and the people in charge of their development, so you'll have to forgive people for apprieciating the guy for actually being commited to fixing their game, it is a rare thing in MMO's these days.
Really?? I hope you are not part of that YoshiPism fanatical group. 0.0
I have yet to see Yoshi P. pull off something like the Echoes of Faydwer expansion for EQ2, but then for FFXIV ! Until then lets keep both feet on the ground and keep things more in perspective okay??
EoF was the best and largest expansion to date of any MMO I have seen. It was THE expansion that really turned around EverQuest 2 and brought back a hell lot of people to the game! Rise of Kunark after that was also a pretty huge expansion. (unfortunately after Kunark SOE pulled away lot of devs and the game went downhill from there on... but that is a different matter)
Those were paid expansions though. Overall I think there was less work to be done in EQ2 and they still botched it and threw in the towel. Vanguard is more comparable, Vanguard got no expansions in fact they told us not to even get our hopes up for one because they wouldn't fix the code to allow expansions to be added. They chipped away at a skeleton crew in charge of developing/fixing the game, and a much better game than EQ2 (even after Faydwer) basically was left to basically stagnate with no hope of ever being what it could have been. That was sad for the people who actually enjoyed the game.
The YoshiPism religion thread is a joke, they are just supporting what he has done as developer so far. They don't actually worship him, or do anything else that was posted above (like systematically attacking negative posters lol). But no, I'm a tarvuist. I'll be a tarvuist to the day I die. My hatred of the evil Barvu and all who follow him (Phil Collins) is simply beyond words.
you are right it is a joke. it's funny that people actually have such true faith in any one person. it's been stated in this very thread that yoshi is one of the best directors/producers in the world. this is the first game he has ever been in charge of. for those of you that do not believe that the fanbois are systematically attacking people with any criticism take a few looks at these and tell me if that is false or not.
read any of those and tell me there's not personal attacks going on in those forums. it's to the point most players in the game that has any complaint about any part of the game refuses to go on the forums at all. they already know from seeing what goes on there that they will be constantly bashed for saying anything negative about anything the game offers at all. you are more than welcome to go on there if you bash tanaka, but it's showing truth again that the majority of the blame should go on wada for pushing a rushed release of an unfinished game in the first place.
That is such a ridiculous statement, that any player who has a complaint refuses to go on the forums at all. Way to cherry pick your threads there btw, and if you read the comments you would realize that they are bumped primarily by people criticizing those few people for their optimism.
if anything a handful of trolls on the official forums General Discussion Board are responsible for the greatest number of useless topics of which they create about 5-10 a day. There are far more people in support of the patch, but even still the majority of posters are simply players who sometimes post criticisms but mostly post useful feedback/information about the game. All forums are pretty worthless a few days after patch because of the number of clueless people who come on their whining about something (like the archer thread) before they even understand it.
Same thing with a number of threads whining about Darkhold excluding melee, which it absolutely does not, not at all, not one single bit. Those people were wrong, they have been shown to be wrong, it is not even a matter of opinion just a fact. Sometimes people who rant really don't know what it is they are talking about as it turns out.
way to try and twist words to try and make it seem like i said something i never said in the first place.
"it's to the point most players in the game that has any complaint" is in no way, shape, form, or fassion equal "That is such a ridiculous statement, that any player who has a complaint refuses to go on the forums at all". those are 2 completely different statements.
i do not post in the forums any longer for that very reason. i know the majority of people that have complaints do not go there for the same reason of having words twisted(like you just did mine) or being personally attacked. if you read the first 3 threads they are started by the fanbois actually attacking the people that complained about anything in game. yes, they were bumped by people coming to their own defense, but was started as an attack on them so you cannot blame them.
it's funny they are considered trolls now that they disagree with the changes, but the people that didn't like the original direction were not considered the same thing. trolling in those forums speak means if you do not agree with your opinion they are a troll. it doesn't matter if something is a legit complaint or not you will automatically call them a troll. if there were far more people supporting the patch my server would not have been dead again 2 days after the patch. people liked the fact things were different so came to visit, but quickly got bored and left again.
as far as my cherry picking goes. you stated that there were not people personally attacking people that do not like the direction of the game. i showed proof. that's not cherry picking it is proving that something is, in fact, happening.
It's really sad to see how critical mmorpg.com posters are about FFXIV
Yes, the game isn't in a very good shape even now with 1.18
Yes, some people are overentusiastic about its progress and are giving it a higher grade than it deserves at the moment
No, it's nowhere near 5/10 (and, imo, never was)
The thing is, lots of people are back, I see old people on my server (Besaid) who came back after long brakes just like I did and all of them are enjoying the game a lot with all the new changes. It's all that matters to them and me. I don't give a crap about who exactly is the games developer and how much the community loves / hates him. All I know is the game is enjoyable now when it wasn't as much before.
Naysayers, if you ever played FFXIV before and are bashing it without knowing in which state it is now, please, at least give it a fair chance and log in for one evening. You'll understand why other players, who aren't Yoshi-worshipers or fanboys or whatnot, are truly enjoying it.
"Only in quiet waters do things mirror themselves undistorted. Only in a quiet mind is adequate perception of the world." Hans Margolius
It's really sad to see how critical mmorpg.com posters are about FFXIV
Yes, the game isn't in a very good shape even now with 1.18
Yes, some people are overentusiastic about its progress and are giving it a higher grade than it deserves at the moment
No, it's nowhere near 5/10 (and, imo, never was)
The thing is, lots of people are back, I see old people on my server (Besaid) who came back after long brakes just like I did and all of them are enjoying the game a lot with all the new changes. It's all that matters to them and me. I don't give a crap about who exactly is the games developer and how much the community loves / hates him. All I know is the game is enjoyable now when it wasn't as much before.
Naysayers, if you ever played FFXIV before and are bashing it without knowing in which state it is now, please, at least give it a fair chance and log in for one evening. You'll understand why other players, who aren't Yoshi-worshipers or fanboys or whatnot, are truly enjoying it.
they're critical because it is bad and not getting better.
after the patch it dropped from around the 5.1 in this review to closer to 4.5 if i am feeling generous.
alot of people came back to test out the new system. i seen tons of people i haven't seen in months the night that the patch hit and the day after. guess what happened though? they all left again.
i do play the game and have since it came out. i am now, finally, giving up on it after this patch. i wll craft only when i actually sign in, due to how boring battle is now, until 1.20. the only reason i haven't left already is i had promised my ls leader i'd give it til then before this massacre they called a patch went live. after that unless yoshi makes a complete 180 i will be gone for good.
edit: i don't want to come off doom and gloom. i am glad you and your friends are enjoying it. i was glad to see people i haven't seen in months, but was not happy to see them leave again in a few days. i hope you do continue enjoying the new stuff, but this game just feels as though it is no longer for me with the direction yoshi is taking it. i enjoyed the versatility the game offered, but it is quickly becoming the normal cookie cutter classes and that is what i don't like.
It's really sad to see how critical mmorpg.com posters are about FFXIV
Yes, the game isn't in a very good shape even now with 1.18
Yes, some people are overentusiastic about its progress and are giving it a higher grade than it deserves at the moment
No, it's nowhere near 5/10 (and, imo, never was)
The thing is, lots of people are back, I see old people on my server (Besaid) who came back after long brakes just like I did and all of them are enjoying the game a lot with all the new changes. It's all that matters to them and me. I don't give a crap about who exactly is the games developer and how much the community loves / hates him. All I know is the game is enjoyable now when it wasn't as much before.
Naysayers, if you ever played FFXIV before and are bashing it without knowing in which state it is now, please, at least give it a fair chance and log in for one evening. You'll understand why other players, who aren't Yoshi-worshipers or fanboys or whatnot, are truly enjoying it.
they're critical because it is bad and not getting better.
after the patch it dropped from around the 5.1 in this review to closer to 4.5 if i am feeling generous.
alot of people came back to test out the new system. i seen tons of people i haven't seen in months the night that the patch hit and the day after. guess what happened though? they all left again.
i do play the game and have since it came out. i am now, finally, giving up on it after this patch. i wll craft only when i actually sign in, due to how boring battle is now, until 1.20. the only reason i haven't left already is i had promised my ls leader i'd give it til then before this massacre they called a patch went live. after that unless yoshi makes a complete 180 i will be gone for good.
Well at least Yoshi came out and quickly posted another letter on the forums, admitting they pushed out the patch too early before it was ready and that they might have gone a little overboard with the changes.
Not that it matters tho. Damage has been done. A lot of people got upset and have given up now. An no "praising" fan is going to change that.
And seeing how hostile the official forums had become since patch 1.18... well that ain't really helping the game either.
This patch has blasted a huge rift in the community and split them apart between the contineous religeous defenders and the people that are getting fed up and about to give up!
they're critical because it is bad and not getting better.
after the patch it dropped from around the 5.1 in this review to closer to 4.5 if i am feeling generous.
alot of people came back to test out the new system. i seen tons of people i haven't seen in months the night that the patch hit and the day after. guess what happened though? they all left again.
i do play the game and have since it came out. i am now, finally, giving up on it after this patch. i wll craft only when i actually sign in, due to how boring battle is now, until 1.20. the only reason i haven't left already is i had promised my ls leader i'd give it til then before this massacre they called a patch went live. after that unless yoshi makes a complete 180 i will be gone for good.
edit: i don't want to come off doom and gloom. i am glad you and your friends are enjoying it. i was glad to see people i haven't seen in months, but was not happy to see them leave again in a few days. i hope you do continue enjoying the new stuff, but this game just feels as though it is no longer for me with the direction yoshi is taking it. i enjoyed the versatility the game offered, but it is quickly becoming the normal cookie cutter classes and that is what i don't like.
The game is absolutely improving, majority opinion on 1.18 has been mostly positive.
I'm going to take a wild shot in the dark and guess that you play either a Conj or Thm. Sorry little buddy, but SE never intended you to be able to sit back and spam spells without managing your MP. Time to learn to play.
If you are any other class, then you have nothing to cry about, the patch was a buff straight up for everyone except the two mages and anyone who cannot see that is of feeble mind and lacking common sense.
they're critical because it is bad and not getting better.
after the patch it dropped from around the 5.1 in this review to closer to 4.5 if i am feeling generous.
alot of people came back to test out the new system. i seen tons of people i haven't seen in months the night that the patch hit and the day after. guess what happened though? they all left again.
i do play the game and have since it came out. i am now, finally, giving up on it after this patch. i wll craft only when i actually sign in, due to how boring battle is now, until 1.20. the only reason i haven't left already is i had promised my ls leader i'd give it til then before this massacre they called a patch went live. after that unless yoshi makes a complete 180 i will be gone for good.
edit: i don't want to come off doom and gloom. i am glad you and your friends are enjoying it. i was glad to see people i haven't seen in months, but was not happy to see them leave again in a few days. i hope you do continue enjoying the new stuff, but this game just feels as though it is no longer for me with the direction yoshi is taking it. i enjoyed the versatility the game offered, but it is quickly becoming the normal cookie cutter classes and that is what i don't like.
The game is absolutely improving, majority opinion on 1.18 has been mostly positive.
I'm going to take a wild shot in the dark and guess that you play either a Conj or Thm. Sorry little buddy, but SE never intended you to be able to sit back and spam spells without managing your MP. Time to learn to play.
If you are any other class, then you have nothing to cry about, the patch was a buff straight up for everyone except the two mages and anyone who cannot see that is of feeble mind and lacking common sense.
Most people who post on here wouldnt know about the letter. They think mmorpg.com always has up to date information which we all know is wrong and it just has out of date garbage that is out to damage FFXIV as much as possible.
they're critical because it is bad and not getting better.
after the patch it dropped from around the 5.1 in this review to closer to 4.5 if i am feeling generous.
alot of people came back to test out the new system. i seen tons of people i haven't seen in months the night that the patch hit and the day after. guess what happened though? they all left again.
i do play the game and have since it came out. i am now, finally, giving up on it after this patch. i wll craft only when i actually sign in, due to how boring battle is now, until 1.20. the only reason i haven't left already is i had promised my ls leader i'd give it til then before this massacre they called a patch went live. after that unless yoshi makes a complete 180 i will be gone for good.
edit: i don't want to come off doom and gloom. i am glad you and your friends are enjoying it. i was glad to see people i haven't seen in months, but was not happy to see them leave again in a few days. i hope you do continue enjoying the new stuff, but this game just feels as though it is no longer for me with the direction yoshi is taking it. i enjoyed the versatility the game offered, but it is quickly becoming the normal cookie cutter classes and that is what i don't like.
The game is absolutely improving, majority opinion on 1.18 has been mostly positive.
I'm going to take a wild shot in the dark and guess that you play either a Conj or Thm. Sorry little buddy, but SE never intended you to be able to sit back and spam spells without managing your MP. Time to learn to play.
If you are any other class, then you have nothing to cry about, the patch was a buff straight up for everyone except the two mages and anyone who cannot see that is of feeble mind and lacking common sense.
well let's let you a little inside then i have 6 classes at 50 and 4 are battle classes so your shot in the dark only hit yourself. you are the exact type of response that is given in the forums to anyone that has any complaint yoshi has done. thank you for bringing it here also so even more people can see it for what i really is. btw, managing mp isn't casting one heal then going into passive mode to recover. that is being lazy.
the entire battle system is slower than it was before. i'm glad some people like slow battle where the majority of time you are sitting and waiting on something else to do. sorry little buddy, but i much prefer being able to enjoy a battle than having to sit around watching other people fight. slowing down a already slow battle is not a buff.
once again thank you for coming in and showing people the personal attacks that are very much the norm on the forums and why people that actually play the game stay off it for the most part. i know of a total of 7 people that are on my server that visit there and i have usually 50 or more active just in my ls at any given time. i guess the vast majority avoids it.
edit: yes, i know the letter and it stated what the few trolls(as you call them) said in the forums. there were some classes that needed nerfs, but that they went too far with them.
Or don't read the full review and trust that the look on this avatars face is a plea to be released from the boredome that is FFXIV.
Seriously though, I think this title forgot the first rule for games (any game really)
1. Must be fun to play.
It has awesome graphics, but it is not fun to play. For me the best part of this game will always be pregame test App they released. After the game was actually released, it became all to clear that this game wasn't ready to be released. Swing and a miss.
Such a shame. I was almost tempted to feed into the stunning visuals and the name alone. It just felt like a console RPG except it was online. With all that money SquareEnix has and the simple fact that they had a somewhat successful MMO plus YEARS to watch what actually made WoW and other MMOs survive they still decided to go against the waves and like the their console games, constant changes to make their gameplay new and innovated just dug themselves deeper in a hole. Don't get me wrong. I like different and new but there are just standards to MMOs and no no's that should not be over looked. Oh well. This fall is going to be a massive release of new MMOs which will just make this game fade in time unless they decide to do a massive patch to basically revamp things that suck about this game. Like 75% of it. =/
Such a shame. I was almost tempted to feed into the stunning visuals and the name alone. It just felt like a console RPG except it was online. With all that money SquareEnix has and the simple fact that they had a somewhat successful MMO plus YEARS to watch what actually made WoW and other MMOs survive they still decided to go against the waves and like the their console games, constant changes to make their gameplay new and innovated just dug themselves deeper in a hole. Don't get me wrong. I like different and new but there are just standards to MMOs and no no's that should not be over looked. Oh well. This fall is going to be a massive release of new MMOs which will just make this game fade in time unless they decide to do a massive patch to basically revamp things that suck about this game. Like 75% of it. =/
If you actually read the news then you would know this is what they are in the process of doing right now. 1.18 was the start of the process of a complete overhaul of the game.
So for how long you want them to wait before they review? every MMO improves with time and keeps changing but it is not practical to wait for that 'one' day which will never come because MMO never finishes. I hardly doubt the score would be any different even if they waited for new patch since 1.18 patch hardly changed the game as it was being claimed.
Such a shame. I was almost tempted to feed into the stunning visuals and the name alone. It just felt like a console RPG except it was online. With all that money SquareEnix has and the simple fact that they had a somewhat successful MMO plus YEARS to watch what actually made WoW and other MMOs survive they still decided to go against the waves and like the their console games, constant changes to make their gameplay new and innovated just dug themselves deeper in a hole. Don't get me wrong. I like different and new but there are just standards to MMOs and no no's that should not be over looked. Oh well. This fall is going to be a massive release of new MMOs which will just make this game fade in time unless they decide to do a massive patch to basically revamp things that suck about this game. Like 75% of it. =/
If you actually read the news then you would know this is what they are in the process of doing right now. 1.18 was the start of the process of a complete overhaul of the game.
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While you guys have no problem roasting MMORPG for posting a review of the game in it's current state because they were four days from a patch how is it that you so easily overlook that they waited 8 months to review the game in the first place?
The blatant fanboism is at epic proportions on this topic I've seen some of you guys say why not wait until this patch 1.18 and even some that suggest they needed to wait until the entire round of game changing patches are complete.
News flash guys a review is not meant to simply glorify any game you feel you enjoy it is to inform the community about how the game plays out at that particular point in time.
If the game exists and costs money a review should always be posted and no just because they aren't charging a sub fee doesn't count unless you the fans or SE are going to give us the box for free as well, GW2 is going to be B2P since there will never be a sub fee can they request that a review never be done?
As you stated the review of an mmo can be obsolete at any point and as they stated in the very first sentence of the review when those patches are implimented the game will be revisited.
Such a shame. I was almost tempted to feed into the stunning visuals and the name alone. It just felt like a console RPG except it was online. With all that money SquareEnix has and the simple fact that they had a somewhat successful MMO plus YEARS to watch what actually made WoW and other MMOs survive they still decided to go against the waves and like the their console games, constant changes to make their gameplay new and innovated just dug themselves deeper in a hole. Don't get me wrong. I like different and new but there are just standards to MMOs and no no's that should not be over looked. Oh well. This fall is going to be a massive release of new MMOs which will just make this game fade in time unless they decide to do a massive patch to basically revamp things that suck about this game. Like 75% of it. =/
If you actually read the news then you would know this is what they are in the process of doing right now. 1.18 was the start of the process of a complete overhaul of the game.
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I've seen alot of silly arguments in my time here. This is by far one of the funniest though. When they release a review doesn't matter. How close the review is to the current state of the game is. By your logic no game should ever get a review till either the first expansion or first big patch (or miracle patch). Because it might become "obsolete". The last line is priceless though. You think it needs to be taken down? Who are you exactly?
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I love the fact this review was released 2 days before a major update to the game lol
It improved alot to the game but still a ways to go.
if i were SE i'd be glad the review was 2 days before the patch not 2 days after. to me the fun left the game when patch 1.18 came in. to me the game has gotten worse not better.
The condition FFXIV is in right now there is never a good time to review it. there is always a new patch coming which is suppose to fix the game or make it better and yet nothing changes much. And no they didn't want to wait for another year. Also MMORPG.COM always revisits and re review the games. So don't worry they will review it again.
Such a shame. I was almost tempted to feed into the stunning visuals and the name alone. It just felt like a console RPG except it was online. With all that money SquareEnix has and the simple fact that they had a somewhat successful MMO plus YEARS to watch what actually made WoW and other MMOs survive they still decided to go against the waves and like the their console games, constant changes to make their gameplay new and innovated just dug themselves deeper in a hole. Don't get me wrong. I like different and new but there are just standards to MMOs and no no's that should not be over looked. Oh well. This fall is going to be a massive release of new MMOs which will just make this game fade in time unless they decide to do a massive patch to basically revamp things that suck about this game. Like 75% of it. =/
If you actually read the news then you would know this is what they are in the process of doing right now. 1.18 was the start of the process of a complete overhaul of the game.
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I've seen alot of silly arguments in my time here. This is by far one of the funniest though. When they release a review doesn't matter. How close the review is to the current state of the game is. By your logic no game should ever get a review till either the first expansion or first big patch (or miracle patch). Because it might become "obsolete". The last line is priceless though. You think it needs to be taken down? Who are you exactly?
The timing of a review absolutely DOES matter. Given that in this case, the review basically became invalid in a matter of days (which it is already outdated now) since many of the systems reviewed are no longer there. So, anyone who reads the review now (or even as little as one week after it was written) will not get an accurate representation of the game. Patches are one thing. This was a major systems/mechanic overhaul and deserved to be treated as such. And then to cite confirmed developments as "rumour" illustrates a lack or research and integrity.
"How close the review is to the current state of the game is."
Exactly. The review did not address the current state of the game. Game changing items that are 4 days away are "current."
Reviews have a responsibility to be current and relevant. They should not take a "holier than thou" approach and review games when they "feel" they are ready. It's like saying, "we're not gonna review this until we feel like it, go waste your money." If this had been dropped a few weeks after release, it would have been a relevent article for almost a year, and then they would have an opportunity to re-review, or release an article about the upcoming changes. In this case, the review became invalid after 4 days. To attempt to defend this logic is simply ridiculous. I'm not upset about the rating itself - but about the fact that the content became irrelevent so quickly, and the obviously did not research the game.
MMORPG has been notorious on ignoring this game. They published nothing about the overhaul of the development team, the gigantic, mechanic changing patches, or the new directions of the game. Then, they drop a completely irrelevant review days before a major patch. It's not good journalism, it's not a good practice at all.
Whether you like the game or not, whether it "deserved the rating" at the time of the review, doesn't change that fact that the review was no longer relevant four days afterwards, and is not relevant now. Much of the content/mechanics sited in the review simply no longer exist. It's full of mis-information, and will mis-guide potential new players which the game desperately needs. Rift, WoW, AoC, all of them get articles on patches, updates on development. This game has been largely ignored, misrepresented, and shoved to the bottom of the barrel overall. It's not a balanced approach to game reviews and it's not fair to potential customers and current fans of the game.
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I just got done reading the link. Sorry but SE could probably delete his character, and the only thing he would say is "It was for the best". I know personally I wouldn't read anything of his, if I was looking for an objective opinion or review. This guy wouldn't even be on the list.
In War - Victory.
In Peace - Vigilance.
In Death - Sacrifice.
Well thats why you shouldnt base a decision on MMOs from release let me break this down for you.
UI slowness mostly fixed in Dec i think it was, although going through a full inventory still can take a bit of time, only multiselect will fix this
Solo game, being fixed as we speak, 1.18 made party grinding the most effective way to party, however people still dont use the party search feature and grind with their linkshells, and the instanced raids require parties of 4 or 8 depending on which one you are doing.
Content is like all MMOs being adressed through the life of the game, but since release we got sidequests, grand company quests, instanced raids which isnt much but its being added in every patch.
Levequests have been revamped for solo players rather than the main way to get SP, and will undergo more changes in future patches, infact right now they are barely worth doing because grinding is supposedly better SP.
Also we have seen the start of the combat revamp and it just needs some changes to be as close to perfect as we can get. All your complaints have been addressed to some extent this is not like the release version now, which is why this review was out of date 4 days after this review was published
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you are right it is a joke. it's funny that people actually have such true faith in any one person. it's been stated in this very thread that yoshi is one of the best directors/producers in the world. this is the first game he has ever been in charge of. for those of you that do not believe that the fanbois are systematically attacking people with any criticism take a few looks at these and tell me if that is false or not.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/18445-Can-we-stop-with-the-QQ-threads-now
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/17850-Will-SE-ever-be-able-to-shut-the-people-on-this-forum-up
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/18229-What-can-the-dev-team-do-to-satisfy-the-critics-of-1.18
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/17139-Good-Job-SE!-You-ruined-the-Archer-class.
read any of those and tell me there's not personal attacks going on in those forums. it's to the point most players in the game that has any complaint about any part of the game refuses to go on the forums at all. they already know from seeing what goes on there that they will be constantly bashed for saying anything negative about anything the game offers at all. you are more than welcome to go on there if you bash tanaka, but it's showing truth again that the majority of the blame should go on wada for pushing a rushed release of an unfinished game in the first place.
That is such a ridiculous statement, that any player who has a complaint refuses to go on the forums at all. Way to cherry pick your threads there btw, and if you read the comments you would realize that they are bumped primarily by people criticizing those few people for their optimism.
if anything a handful of trolls on the official forums General Discussion Board are responsible for the greatest number of useless topics of which they create about 5-10 a day. There are far more people in support of the patch, but even still the majority of posters are simply players who sometimes post criticisms but mostly post useful feedback/information about the game. All forums are pretty worthless a few days after patch because of the number of clueless people who come on their whining about something (like the archer thread) before they even understand it.
Same thing with a number of threads whining about Darkhold excluding melee, which it absolutely does not, not at all, not one single bit. Those people were wrong, they have been shown to be wrong, it is not even a matter of opinion just a fact. Sometimes people who rant really don't know what it is they are talking about as it turns out.
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As I said before this review was out of date when it was written and it is even more out of date after 1.18 it is just meaningless drivel and should be removed because it is just missleading now.
Anyone that reads it that play FFXIV now and has half a brain will agree that it just looks like a load of biased drivel because it is so missleading.
way to try and twist words to try and make it seem like i said something i never said in the first place.
"it's to the point most players in the game that has any complaint" is in no way, shape, form, or fassion equal "That is such a ridiculous statement, that any player who has a complaint refuses to go on the forums at all". those are 2 completely different statements.
i do not post in the forums any longer for that very reason. i know the majority of people that have complaints do not go there for the same reason of having words twisted(like you just did mine) or being personally attacked. if you read the first 3 threads they are started by the fanbois actually attacking the people that complained about anything in game. yes, they were bumped by people coming to their own defense, but was started as an attack on them so you cannot blame them.
it's funny they are considered trolls now that they disagree with the changes, but the people that didn't like the original direction were not considered the same thing. trolling in those forums speak means if you do not agree with your opinion they are a troll. it doesn't matter if something is a legit complaint or not you will automatically call them a troll. if there were far more people supporting the patch my server would not have been dead again 2 days after the patch. people liked the fact things were different so came to visit, but quickly got bored and left again.
as far as my cherry picking goes. you stated that there were not people personally attacking people that do not like the direction of the game. i showed proof. that's not cherry picking it is proving that something is, in fact, happening.
It's really sad to see how critical mmorpg.com posters are about FFXIV
Yes, the game isn't in a very good shape even now with 1.18
Yes, some people are overentusiastic about its progress and are giving it a higher grade than it deserves at the moment
No, it's nowhere near 5/10 (and, imo, never was)
The thing is, lots of people are back, I see old people on my server (Besaid) who came back after long brakes just like I did and all of them are enjoying the game a lot with all the new changes. It's all that matters to them and me. I don't give a crap about who exactly is the games developer and how much the community loves / hates him. All I know is the game is enjoyable now when it wasn't as much before.
Naysayers, if you ever played FFXIV before and are bashing it without knowing in which state it is now, please, at least give it a fair chance and log in for one evening. You'll understand why other players, who aren't Yoshi-worshipers or fanboys or whatnot, are truly enjoying it.
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Only in a quiet mind is adequate perception of the world."
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they're critical because it is bad and not getting better.
after the patch it dropped from around the 5.1 in this review to closer to 4.5 if i am feeling generous.
alot of people came back to test out the new system. i seen tons of people i haven't seen in months the night that the patch hit and the day after. guess what happened though? they all left again.
i do play the game and have since it came out. i am now, finally, giving up on it after this patch. i wll craft only when i actually sign in, due to how boring battle is now, until 1.20. the only reason i haven't left already is i had promised my ls leader i'd give it til then before this massacre they called a patch went live. after that unless yoshi makes a complete 180 i will be gone for good.
edit: i don't want to come off doom and gloom. i am glad you and your friends are enjoying it. i was glad to see people i haven't seen in months, but was not happy to see them leave again in a few days. i hope you do continue enjoying the new stuff, but this game just feels as though it is no longer for me with the direction yoshi is taking it. i enjoyed the versatility the game offered, but it is quickly becoming the normal cookie cutter classes and that is what i don't like.
Well at least Yoshi came out and quickly posted another letter on the forums, admitting they pushed out the patch too early before it was ready and that they might have gone a little overboard with the changes.
Not that it matters tho. Damage has been done. A lot of people got upset and have given up now. An no "praising" fan is going to change that.
And seeing how hostile the official forums had become since patch 1.18... well that ain't really helping the game either.
This patch has blasted a huge rift in the community and split them apart between the contineous religeous defenders and the people that are getting fed up and about to give up!
The game is absolutely improving, majority opinion on 1.18 has been mostly positive.
I'm going to take a wild shot in the dark and guess that you play either a Conj or Thm. Sorry little buddy, but SE never intended you to be able to sit back and spam spells without managing your MP. Time to learn to play.
If you are any other class, then you have nothing to cry about, the patch was a buff straight up for everyone except the two mages and anyone who cannot see that is of feeble mind and lacking common sense.
Most people who post on here wouldnt know about the letter. They think mmorpg.com always has up to date information which we all know is wrong and it just has out of date garbage that is out to damage FFXIV as much as possible.
well let's let you a little inside then i have 6 classes at 50 and 4 are battle classes so your shot in the dark only hit yourself. you are the exact type of response that is given in the forums to anyone that has any complaint yoshi has done. thank you for bringing it here also so even more people can see it for what i really is. btw, managing mp isn't casting one heal then going into passive mode to recover. that is being lazy.
the entire battle system is slower than it was before. i'm glad some people like slow battle where the majority of time you are sitting and waiting on something else to do. sorry little buddy, but i much prefer being able to enjoy a battle than having to sit around watching other people fight. slowing down a already slow battle is not a buff.
once again thank you for coming in and showing people the personal attacks that are very much the norm on the forums and why people that actually play the game stay off it for the most part. i know of a total of 7 people that are on my server that visit there and i have usually 50 or more active just in my ls at any given time. i guess the vast majority avoids it.
edit: yes, i know the letter and it stated what the few trolls(as you call them) said in the forums. there were some classes that needed nerfs, but that they went too far with them.
Or don't read the full review and trust that the look on this avatars face is a plea to be released from the boredome that is FFXIV.
Seriously though, I think this title forgot the first rule for games (any game really)
1. Must be fun to play.
It has awesome graphics, but it is not fun to play. For me the best part of this game will always be pregame test App they released. After the game was actually released, it became all to clear that this game wasn't ready to be released. Swing and a miss.
Such a shame. I was almost tempted to feed into the stunning visuals and the name alone. It just felt like a console RPG except it was online. With all that money SquareEnix has and the simple fact that they had a somewhat successful MMO plus YEARS to watch what actually made WoW and other MMOs survive they still decided to go against the waves and like the their console games, constant changes to make their gameplay new and innovated just dug themselves deeper in a hole. Don't get me wrong. I like different and new but there are just standards to MMOs and no no's that should not be over looked. Oh well. This fall is going to be a massive release of new MMOs which will just make this game fade in time unless they decide to do a massive patch to basically revamp things that suck about this game. Like 75% of it. =/
Getting too old for this $&17!
If you actually read the news then you would know this is what they are in the process of doing right now. 1.18 was the start of the process of a complete overhaul of the game.
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So for how long you want them to wait before they review? every MMO improves with time and keeps changing but it is not practical to wait for that 'one' day which will never come because MMO never finishes. I hardly doubt the score would be any different even if they waited for new patch since 1.18 patch hardly changed the game as it was being claimed.
While you guys have no problem roasting MMORPG for posting a review of the game in it's current state because they were four days from a patch how is it that you so easily overlook that they waited 8 months to review the game in the first place?
The blatant fanboism is at epic proportions on this topic I've seen some of you guys say why not wait until this patch 1.18 and even some that suggest they needed to wait until the entire round of game changing patches are complete.
News flash guys a review is not meant to simply glorify any game you feel you enjoy it is to inform the community about how the game plays out at that particular point in time.
If the game exists and costs money a review should always be posted and no just because they aren't charging a sub fee doesn't count unless you the fans or SE are going to give us the box for free as well, GW2 is going to be B2P since there will never be a sub fee can they request that a review never be done?
As you stated the review of an mmo can be obsolete at any point and as they stated in the very first sentence of the review when those patches are implimented the game will be revisited.
I've seen alot of silly arguments in my time here. This is by far one of the funniest though. When they release a review doesn't matter. How close the review is to the current state of the game is. By your logic no game should ever get a review till either the first expansion or first big patch (or miracle patch). Because it might become "obsolete". The last line is priceless though. You think it needs to be taken down? Who are you exactly?
In War - Victory.
In Peace - Vigilance.
In Death - Sacrifice.
Why is that person so mean at the game? Because she didn't get character creating? She did one quest? what else?
Existence is a paradox. It just is.
This is a very fair review. I only wish MMORPG was as brutally honest about STO..
I love the fact this review was released 2 days before a major update to the game lol
It improved alot to the game but still a ways to go.
if i were SE i'd be glad the review was 2 days before the patch not 2 days after. to me the fun left the game when patch 1.18 came in. to me the game has gotten worse not better.
The condition FFXIV is in right now there is never a good time to review it. there is always a new patch coming which is suppose to fix the game or make it better and yet nothing changes much. And no they didn't want to wait for another year. Also MMORPG.COM always revisits and re review the games. So don't worry they will review it again.
The timing of a review absolutely DOES matter. Given that in this case, the review basically became invalid in a matter of days (which it is already outdated now) since many of the systems reviewed are no longer there. So, anyone who reads the review now (or even as little as one week after it was written) will not get an accurate representation of the game. Patches are one thing. This was a major systems/mechanic overhaul and deserved to be treated as such. And then to cite confirmed developments as "rumour" illustrates a lack or research and integrity.
"How close the review is to the current state of the game is."
Exactly. The review did not address the current state of the game. Game changing items that are 4 days away are "current."
Reviews have a responsibility to be current and relevant. They should not take a "holier than thou" approach and review games when they "feel" they are ready. It's like saying, "we're not gonna review this until we feel like it, go waste your money." If this had been dropped a few weeks after release, it would have been a relevent article for almost a year, and then they would have an opportunity to re-review, or release an article about the upcoming changes. In this case, the review became invalid after 4 days. To attempt to defend this logic is simply ridiculous. I'm not upset about the rating itself - but about the fact that the content became irrelevent so quickly, and the obviously did not research the game.
MMORPG has been notorious on ignoring this game. They published nothing about the overhaul of the development team, the gigantic, mechanic changing patches, or the new directions of the game. Then, they drop a completely irrelevant review days before a major patch. It's not good journalism, it's not a good practice at all.
Whether you like the game or not, whether it "deserved the rating" at the time of the review, doesn't change that fact that the review was no longer relevant four days afterwards, and is not relevant now. Much of the content/mechanics sited in the review simply no longer exist. It's full of mis-information, and will mis-guide potential new players which the game desperately needs. Rift, WoW, AoC, all of them get articles on patches, updates on development. This game has been largely ignored, misrepresented, and shoved to the bottom of the barrel overall. It's not a balanced approach to game reviews and it's not fair to potential customers and current fans of the game.