Finally Swtor will take down world of warcraft.

EduardoASG

problem is not only localization.

its human rights and farming plat companies origins.

go check where most of the plat farm companies are from and will make sense the countires they gonna ip ban, or pre_order ban. 

MMO.Maverick

Originally posted by korent1991

You know EU is made of 27 countries in Europe at the moment... xD

Meh, did you expect me to sum up all the countries in that post? I only mentioned the ones of which I was certain or had heard of people that preordered from there. That's why I asked which ones were excluded because those were already countries that got to preorder.

Anyway, I did some searching myself and from what it looks like as good as all of western europe, northern europe, southern europe and a number of countries from eastern europe are included for the preorder. Sucks for the few countries that aren't listed, don't know if that's a mistake that'll be corrected or if it's a conscious exclusion, but from what it looks like most of Europe will be able to preorder.

 

edit: ah, I see you included the list of countries later on into your post.

Aconsar

Then there will be yet another game that is hot contested by the community as a whole.  Until the population actually spreads out and isn't in one herd on one game, there will be no other outcome.

aguill2

To all that I've just read in this thread (yes, 22 pages), I give you a hearty chuckle and my condolences for being such a lost crowd.

 

First things first, this is a Star Wars game. It caters to Star Wars fans. Bioware is notorious for making an entirely story-driven experience, so I'd honestly doubt that there's going to be that many non-Star-Wars-fans drooling all over this particular release. Don't get me wrong, this game looks cool an all, but really, ask yourselves, how revolutionary can they make the combat, the AI, the travelling, or anything else that's involved in a MMO presently that's going to attract a huge crowd? That's far too risky for any company at this point in time, especially with WoW being as big as it is. You saw what's happened to those that have tried to break with the current standard: MO, Darkfall, Xyson, etc. Plus, let's not forget what happened to STO.

 

One thing that kind of got on my nerves in this thread was the assumption that this game will do well because of all the Star Wars fans out there. A lot of these fans are now older and have a lot more to do with their time than waste it on some video game that doesn't matter. Add on the fans that can't afford a MMO. Add on the fans that don't like MMOs. You're looking at some pretty low numbers from the Star Wars crew. Also, I'll remind you of SWG. That game released a year before WoW, had a huge company backing it up, and managed to turn most of its own players away. What makes you think this will be any different? "Oh, no way, Bioware is WAY better than SOE! TOR will win!" Well, it's kind of like this: You take an item to two pawn shops. You go to the first, but they aren't offering you near what you expected, so you give them a mouthful about their business and leave the store. You walk down the street to the next pawn shop with the same item in hand. You're praising this new pawn shop in your head, because this one's new to you and you're hopeful. Turns out they offer you less than the first one. Now you've got to settle with the first or leave empty handed; a disappointment either way. Just because it's a different company and a new face, be prepared to be disappointed.

 

Argue with statistics and numbers, but that's never predicted the future and it never will. WoW will die when it dies. TOR will succeed or fail when it does. Either way, I'd say stop while you're ahead and don't set your expectations so high.

Elikal

Originally posted by MMO.Maverick

Originally posted by korent1991

You know EU is made of 27 countries in Europe at the moment... xD

Meh, did you expect me to sum up all the countries in that post? I only mentioned the ones of which I was certain or had heard of people that preordered from there. That's why I asked which ones were excluded because those were already countries that got to preorder.

Anyway, I did some searching myself and from what it looks like as good as all of western europe, northern europe, southern europe and a number of countries from eastern europe are included for the preorder. Sucks for the few countries that aren't listed, don't know if that's a mistake that'll be corrected or if it's a conscious exclusion, but from what it looks like most of Europe will be able to preorder.

 

edit: ah, I see you included the list of countries later on into your post.

26, Greece is a German province now. We are right now sending in the men to relocate the Acropolis. I think it would look nice besides the Chancellors Office in Berlin... XD

(it is satire, before someone hits that report button! ^^)

 

As to the topic: I am sure TOR will cause a serious dent in WOW subscribers. As will GW2. However, if TOR can keep them is yet totally open to see. I really have no clue about that. Hm. I mean, I have no desire to see a MMO "down", each to his I say. But I guess even I could not deny a bit of Schadenfreude to see WOW finally being cut down a bit in size.

yodablaze

Originally posted by aguill2

To all that I've just read in this thread (yes, 22 pages), I give you a hearty chuckle and my condolences for being such a lost crowd.

 

First things first, this is a Star Wars game. It caters to Star Wars fans. Bioware is notorious for making an entirely story-driven experience, so I'd honestly doubt that there's going to be that many non-Star-Wars-fans drooling all over this particular release. Don't get me wrong, this game looks cool an all, but really, ask yourselves, how revolutionary can they make the combat, the AI, the travelling, or anything else that's involved in a MMO presently that's going to attract a huge crowd? That's far too risky for any company at this point in time, especially with WoW being as big as it is. You saw what's happened to those that have tried to break with the current standard: MO, Darkfall, Xyson, etc. Plus, let's not forget what happened to STO.

 

One thing that kind of got on my nerves in this thread was the assumption that this game will do well because of all the Star Wars fans out there. A lot of these fans are now older and have a lot more to do with their time than waste it on some video game that doesn't matter. Add on the fans that can't afford a MMO. Add on the fans that don't like MMOs. You're looking at some pretty low numbers from the Star Wars crew. Also, I'll remind you of SWG. That game released a year before WoW, had a huge company backing it up, and managed to turn most of its own players away. What makes you think this will be any different? "Oh, no way, Bioware is WAY better than SOE! TOR will win!" Well, it's kind of like this: You take an item to two pawn shops. You go to the first, but they aren't offering you near what you expected, so you give them a mouthful about their business and leave the store. You walk down the street to the next pawn shop with the same item in hand. You're praising this new pawn shop in your head, because this one's new to you and you're hopeful. Turns out they offer you less than the first one. Now you've got to settle with the first or leave empty handed; a disappointment either way. Just because it's a different company and a new face, be prepared to be disappointed.

 

Argue with statistics and numbers, but that's never predicted the future and it never will. WoW will die when it dies. TOR will succeed or fail when it does. Either way, I'd say stop while you're ahead and don't set your expectations so high.

You honestly underestimate the power of the force...

"I find your lack of faith disturbing."

Furor

Originally posted by aguill2

To all that I've just read in this thread (yes, 22 pages), I give you a hearty chuckle and my condolences for being such a lost crowd.

 

First things first, this is a Star Wars game. It caters to Star Wars fans. Bioware is notorious for making an entirely story-driven experience, so I'd honestly doubt that there's going to be that many non-Star-Wars-fans drooling all over this particular release. Don't get me wrong, this game looks cool an all, but really, ask yourselves, how revolutionary can they make the combat, the AI, the travelling, or anything else that's involved in a MMO presently that's going to attract a huge crowd? That's far too risky for any company at this point in time, especially with WoW being as big as it is. You saw what's happened to those that have tried to break with the current standard: MO, Darkfall, Xyson, etc. Plus, let's not forget what happened to STO.

 

One thing that kind of got on my nerves in this thread was the assumption that this game will do well because of all the Star Wars fans out there. A lot of these fans are now older and have a lot more to do with their time than waste it on some video game that doesn't matter. Add on the fans that can't afford a MMO. Add on the fans that don't like MMOs. You're looking at some pretty low numbers from the Star Wars crew. Also, I'll remind you of SWG. That game released a year before WoW, had a huge company backing it up, and managed to turn most of its own players away. What makes you think this will be any different? "Oh, no way, Bioware is WAY better than SOE! TOR will win!" Well, it's kind of like this: You take an item to two pawn shops. You go to the first, but they aren't offering you near what you expected, so you give them a mouthful about their business and leave the store. You walk down the street to the next pawn shop with the same item in hand. You're praising this new pawn shop in your head, because this one's new to you and you're hopeful. Turns out they offer you less than the first one. Now you've got to settle with the first or leave empty handed; a disappointment either way. Just because it's a different company and a new face, be prepared to be disappointed.

 

Argue with statistics and numbers, but that's never predicted the future and it never will. WoW will die when it dies. TOR will succeed or fail when it does. Either way, I'd say stop while you're ahead and don't set your expectations so high.

 I did not assume, this thread existed because of how awesome swtor pre orders is going, pre orders is going stronger then previous mmorpgs.

 

I would not be suprised by the time swtor launches, the figures are up to wow cataclysm's sales figure.

Right now pre orders are still insane, the amount of hype is unlike i ever seen

 

There is a huge chance that swtor sales box would reach 3.5- 4 million boxes sold in day 1 of the launch.

However retain those subscribers past 30 days is another story.

Nhoj1983

LOL I thought we figured this out a long time ago... in fact this post can't be serious.. the reality is the best thing would be for wow to live alongside an equally sucessful game therefore actually causing some competition.  I like wow... do I sub?  No... but that's more because I don't really have faith that the game will be better than the next wave of games so therefore I refuse to get involved in a community of a game that I don't plan on staying in.  I like it fine.. blizzard is a good dev.. stop with this kill wow stuff.. now at the same time... I do hope that SWTOR does take a nice bite into it... monopolies are never healthy.

Jimmydean

First of all, this is a Sci-Fi game, which puts it at a disadvantage over WoW already. Second, I didn't think it possibly but Bioware managed to make a multi-million dollar game with worse graphics / animations than WoW. Third, a Story driven MMO will last about the same amount of time as a single player RPG for most, so Bioware is going to have a hard time selling their probably inflated monthly subs.

Will SWTOR sell a lot of boxes? Probably. Will it retain the amount of subs anywhere near to what WoW currently has / had? Not even close. And this is coming from someone who despises WoW.

JonnyBigBoss

This game won't kill WoW. I CANNOT in my right mind see TOR offering a better endgame than WoW. Sure, leveling in TOR will be fun, but endgame is incredibly important.

You're full of it.

yodablaze

How do you define a wow crowd? Many of us still play wow but it doesn't mean that tor isn't impressive to many wow players. A lot of wow players are versatile.

Rinna

Originally posted by Robokapp

Originally posted by Jimmydean

First of all, this is a Sci-Fi game, which puts it at a disadvantage over WoW already. Second, I didn't think it possibly but Bioware managed to make a multi-million dollar game with worse graphics / animations than WoW. Third, a Story driven MMO will last about the same amount of time as a single player RPG for most, so Bioware is going to have a hard time selling their probably inflated monthly subs.

Will SWTOR sell a lot of boxes? Probably. Will it retain the amount of subs anywhere near to what WoW currently has / had? Not even close. And this is coming from someone who despises WoW.

 SWTOR is not going to appeal to WoW crowd ...like you say its scifi. Sooo if it pulls in the scifi non-mmo players, it'll go well. if it tried to feed off wow's playerbase, it'll go very badly.

I agree, different markets with some overflow going both directions.  I don't think the majority of end game wow players are going to enjoy the story based, slow level cut scenes or the endgame that they've come to expect with wow.  I'm tired of the level level level  end game gear grind so I'm excited swtor sounds decidedly different than wow.  Here's to hoping that Bioware and LucasArts don't shoot for Blizzard's main fan base and stay true to their hardcore fans.

Oh, and I played wow since beta so... I fall into that overflow category.

GreenHell

Originally posted by Rinna

Originally posted by Robokapp

Originally posted by Jimmydean

First of all, this is a Sci-Fi game, which puts it at a disadvantage over WoW already. Second, I didn't think it possibly but Bioware managed to make a multi-million dollar game with worse graphics / animations than WoW. Third, a Story driven MMO will last about the same amount of time as a single player RPG for most, so Bioware is going to have a hard time selling their probably inflated monthly subs.

Will SWTOR sell a lot of boxes? Probably. Will it retain the amount of subs anywhere near to what WoW currently has / had? Not even close. And this is coming from someone who despises WoW.

 SWTOR is not going to appeal to WoW crowd ...like you say its scifi. Sooo if it pulls in the scifi non-mmo players, it'll go well. if it tried to feed off wow's playerbase, it'll go very badly.

I agree, different markets with some overflow going both directions.  I don't think the majority of end game wow players are going to enjoy the story based, slow level cut scenes or the endgame that they've come to expect with wow.  I'm tired of the level level level  end game gear grind so I'm excited swtor sounds decidedly different than wow.  Here's to hoping that Bioware and LucasArts don't shoot for Blizzard's main fan base and stay true to their hardcore fans.

Oh, and I played wow since beta so... I fall into that overflow category.

So now you will level with VO,level with VO, level with VO, end game gear grind with VO. Im sorry but the differences here are not all that great.

cuad1780

So does it actually matter whether a game "takes down" another top game? I mean, WoW is 7 years old, it's OLD. It's getting outdated and people know, and they want new games. It doesn't help or make anything better just by taking it down. Seriously you're not gonna play with everyone who switches to ToR so what's it matter how many people play..

Dynamic1325

@ OP No, sorry, no it will not.

the rest of it, tl;dr.

 

I am in the swtor beta, I have played wow since its beta, and this is my opinion.

yodablaze

Originally posted by cuad1780

So does it actually matter whether a game "takes down" another top game? I mean, WoW is 7 years old, it's OLD. It's getting outdated and people know, and they want new games. It doesn't help or make anything better just by taking it down. Seriously you're not gonna play with everyone who switches to ToR so what's it matter how many people play..

lol. But on a serious note. A lot of us pre-ordered without giving it a second thought. It had nothing to do with hype. Star Wars is a title that is well loved world wide, it will be loved. Wow will be loved as well as their fan base is strong. It is an "OLD" game and people do want to try something new every so often, but remember, that is also what makes wow so successful. 

ThomasN7

Originally posted by MMO.Maverick

Originally posted by Atlan99

It's a half-truth.

Some countries in the EU are blocked from pre-ordering at the moment. Most threads on the subject have been merged into one mega thread.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=389374

From what I read about that thread Europe seems to be included:

To all of our fans outside of North America and Europe:



Today we've announced the pre-order details for the initial launch of Star Wars: The Old Republic. BioWare and LucasArts are completely focused on building an exceptional game and an exceptional game service to go with it. Unfortunately, to achieve the goal of an exceptional game service certain territories could not be serviced at launch. This decision was undertaken with a quality player experience as the primary goal.



We are humbled by that level of excitement and anticipation around the world for The Old Republic. As soon as we have more information about additional launches in more territories, we’ll let you know.



We are committed to delivering Star Wars: The Old Republic to BioWare and Star Wars fans around the world, and to growing a truly global community.

 

Maybe it's european countries outside the EU? What countries are missing then? Because iirc it isn't UK or France or Germany or Spain or so.

 So did you pre-order a copy and get in a guild yet ?

Philss

I hope the OP is beeing sarcastic ....

 

Some ppl are just so addicted to mmo they want SW tor to be their next drug . Trust me ppl SW tor is nothing new according to what we saw so far .

 

In the end you will raid/rundaily/farm mats and all the same end game crap you had in WoW . Ppl are bored of thempark mmo in general they just dont know it or dont want to admit it .

huskerman34

The new generation mmorpgs will thin the communities of alot of mmorpgs. Just like Rift did to Wow.  Just like Terra, Swtor , and Gw2 will do also. I think  Swtor and Gw2 will cause a exodus  afk for a long time to alot of mmorpgs, especailly WoW.  It happends and it will happend and people in the end will eventually get tired of playing wow and move on.  

Furor

Originally posted by Philss

I hope the OP is beeing sarcastic ....

 

Some ppl are just so addicted to mmo they want SW tor to be their next drug . Trust me ppl SW tor is nothing new according to what we saw so far .

 

In the end you will raid/rundaily/farm mats and all the same end game crap you had in WoW . Ppl are bored of thempark mmo in general they just dont know it or dont want to admit it .

 Your in the minority and pre orders speaks volumn.

You heard me SWTOR will sell 3- 4 million boxes from pre orders first day or i eat my shoes.

jjjk29

hmmmm....

Elikal

Originally posted by Robokapp

if differences arent great...why give up on the game you like for the expensive and untested new release who future is uncertain?

 

personally I'm never buying an MMO until I see gameplay, read about the endgame, do a free trial and overall let it settle for a year or so to know if its worth investing in or not.

 

So far only two mmo's met this criteria (wow and eve) and I still play both and never cancelled.

That's a bit like saying you'll only marry the girl when you see how she'll look in old age. Sometimes we follow our feelings and ponder it later.

TheMinn

Yes. a few months before launch you know that a new MMO will take down another MMO with 11+ suscribers, that makes perfect sense....americans are getting more dumb.

mrcalhou

I lol'd at the title.

BarakIII

Originally posted by Jimmy562

Originally posted by Rider071

It's made by EA...

the same folk that make DAoC, y'know the game that to this day, if you want to switch your toon that is on another server of the same cluster (meaning the same server) you have to actually log out and re-log back into the game.

This kind of fundamental game design has never been fixed nor addressed in 10 years.

Looking at that, then looking at it's record of huge hits becoming huge flops because of it's lack of development and customer service investment = it doesn't have an ice cube's chance in hell to come close to WoW...but it will do one thing for the first 6 months.....take a good chunk of WoW's gold farmers. Kudos for them!

Looks like TOR has a guaranteed 8m subs.

1. Mythic wasn't part of EA when they developed DAoC. DAoC was released in 2001 and EA did not buy Mythic until 2006 at which point DAoC was already an aging game with a reduced subscription base.

2. TOR has a limited release set for NA and EU only. Since much of the gold farming that exists comes from Asia gold farming shouldn't be as much of a problem in the beginning.

3. The above is reason enough that your statement is right in that it will not come close to WoW in subscription numbers. WoW will lose accounts just as it did to Rift and will die a death of a thousand cuts...and by die I mean it's community will be much reduced in the next two or three years with all the new MMOs coming out. As to EA's reputation it's said they've been working on that the last year or so and have shown signs of improvement but only time will tell what impact they will have on TOR.