Look at guild wars 1. It has been out for a very long time and still has a good community and population, the fact that GW2 will (Most likely) Be a lot better than the last game and many other MMO's only up's the chance of its life span.
But besides, you dont just play an MMO cause it has a lot of people, You play it because you like it and i think a lot of people are going to like GW2.
Also unlike some companies *cough* blizzard *cough*... Arena net actually loves their fans, and are in this buisness for the love of Games and not for the love of money....
Anyone else worried about the life Span of GW2? Games like Tabula took years to develop but didn't lasted long.
Not on this forum no, I have never seen a game that seemed to impress the rank and file of this site like GW2. This is the closest thing I've seen to criticism of this game at all on mmorpg (though I don't follow the game closely).
But if mmorpg was any indication of the industry WOW would have closed by now so I'm not too sure the reception this game gets here really instills confidence that this game will not disappoint in some way.
Longevity is definitely a big concern of mine. With no sub fee, how much work will they be putting in to new content? Will we just have mini-expansions to purchase every few months to make up for it?
Somehow GW1 managed to limp along on the same model for seven years. Somehow, I think they'll be just fine.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
^That's one very nice answer you got there, and I have a hard time believing it, since you've proven to be quite skeptical of GW2 and to dislike GW1.
Apparantly this "game"-thing you are all talking about, and of which I know nothing of, will (according to the Developers) contain about as much content as all of the GW1 standalone campaigns and the expansion combined.
I started playing GW1 in 2005. Due to my inability to get addicted to ONE GAME THAT RULES THEM ALL, I had a lot of breaks with the original series. So far I've spent about 1900 hours on GW1, I've never even bothered with PVP. I know people who started in 2005 and have spent 6000+ hours on GW1. If I get hooked on GW2 just like I got hooked on GW1 I will probably have too much content to play through, especially if ArenaNet maintains a consistent pace of one expansion every 1/2 or 3/4 of year.
And, think of it this way: The more successful GW2 becomes, the more money ArenaNet gets, the more free content updates you'll get.
GW1 has this team still working on it. That's 9 employees out of 270 working for ArenaNet and Guild Wars is still being updated, content is still getting added, bugs are still getting fixed, designs for weapons and festival clothing are still being created.
With that said I AM EXTREMELY CONCERNED ABOUT THE LONGEVITY OF GW2, GAME WIL PHAIL!!1
Plus it has me behind it. I can't say I'm surprised though because it does so many things that I love. It's clever, imaginative, varied, and it teaches good lessons. I wish more games could be like it.
The only MMORPG that's ever genuinely surprised me before this is Champions Online, and to speak of a few single-player games, I'd have to mention New Vegas, VVVVVV, and Solatorobo. Now that will either speak volumes of the pedigree of my taste or not, that's up to the reader, but suffice it to say that I'm an old fart and I'm easily disappointed. I find that games are often xenophobic, and worse, they encourage small-mindedness, they want the gamer to be an idiot, a xenophobe, a misanthrope, and generally games tend to be about... idiocy, frankly. There are too many games about idiocy.
I can't get behind a game that so thoroughly embraces and obsesses over (to a scary degree) idiocy. A game where the player is required to turn off their brain so that they don't start asking questions about the nature of the game. Whether it's why two warring nations haven't managed to find peace even when the solutions to their problems are dumbfoundingly obvious, or something as small as certain species constantly suicidally charging the player whilst still keeping their numbers up. Games don't pose intelligent questions, games often emit hurr I dumb and want you to be dumb too. They do this loudly and without any respite for the poor, aged gamer who's probably somewhere otuside of their target demographic.
Guild Wars 2 though? It's interesting. I mean, if you look at the thing with the charr and humans, and how the game is now teaching people that racism is bad, and that they should work together... well, if you look at that then it's great for two reasons. Not only does it teach kids to work together, and to set personal differences aside, but it actually teaches adults this as well. Which is entertaining because you get peple going all angry rage about "Buh, why I not kill charr now? Dey did der bad to Ascalon, I killz them all. I slaughterz the helpless kids too... what? I not bad person. Charr bad persons!"
Yeah.
That's been the fascinating side of it for me, really, and there's been lots of other interesting things going on, too. The midgets are actually magical in nature, and they're doing marvellously odd and strange things with magic. The asura don't use technology at all, they hate it, they favour their own quantum magicks instead to build their golems and hang massive stone cubes in teh sky. They're strange. And that's a good thing, because magic has been used in so many typical ways, hasn't it? If you look at damn near any past fantasy game, you see magic being used in the same way. But the Asura use it differently.
The fae race has a hive-mind and they're young, the bestial race is intelligent and the premiere technologists of the world, the humans are akin to gypsies and just barely hanging in there with their Renaissance-era flair rather than dominating the world whilst somehow still being trapped in some past medieval age, and so on. The dragons are the size of continents, the game is being designed to be as anti-grief as possible, encouraging people to work together, in a risky move they completely killed off quests and raids (in the conventional sense of quests and raids), there are underwater races, town, and content which is substantial, and it just generally feels... intelligent. It feels intelligent and it wants you to be intelligent too.
There are so many games out there which are nothing more than a bit of dumb fun, where I'm really underemphasising how dumb the dumb quotient is. But there are things about Guild Wars 2 that made me quirk an eyebrow and pay attention.
Guild Wars 2 has worth.
(And yeah, for the record, I value games that teach kids not to be misanthropic and xenophobic. I mean, with adult gamers, I see so much xenophobia and misanthropy it's ridiculous. Racism, homophobia, just arbitrary hate for people of different lifestyles, it's ridiculous. Today I've already seen gamers be xenophobic about Rastafarians, the Japanese (apparently they ripped off the art style of '60s America!), and people in third world countries. And that's just today. If we don't think that this is a problem then we're being idiots, and we're just hiding our heads in the sand. This IS a problem, with youngsters and adults alike, especially the adults, in fact. And any game that breaks from that and actually tries to teach people to not be hateful bigots I'm going to speak highly of. Because that's the exact opposite of too many dumb games today.)
Well, I wasn't worried, but now that the debt-ceiling crisis has been narrowly averted, I might have some worry time freed up. Depends on what is going on with Charlie Sheen today. Oh, and on what Casey Anthony's lawyer's are saying. But even so, the lifespan of Guild Wars 2 is definitely a higher priority on my worry list than war in the Mideast and the price of crude.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
Longevity is definitely a big concern of mine. With no sub fee, how much work will they be putting in to new content? Will we just have mini-expansions to purchase every few months to make up for it?
I think one of the founders of ArenaNet wrote about how MMOs truly don't need subscription fees, and elborated about the subject quite a bit. Look at the online games on the Xbox 360 or PS3. Do many of those have a subscription fee (Xbox Live itself does, but that's not the point!)? — You just have to look at the Guild Wars franchise the same way as one of Activision's most popular and rehashed franchises, but without the ... rehashes.
Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true – you know it, and they know it.
They wrote it a long time ago. GuildWars is still played and admired today by many. So I would suspect that with their B2P model, and rich open-world dynamic and dungeon content that is to come with GW2, that not only will it be worth the box price, but that they will add expansion packs with progressively more content, perhaps more content, then one gets with a subscription-based mmorpg.
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Look at guild wars 1. It has been out for a very long time and still has a good community and population, the fact that GW2 will (Most likely) Be a lot better than the last game and many other MMO's only up's the chance of its life span.
But besides, you dont just play an MMO cause it has a lot of people, You play it because you like it and i think a lot of people are going to like GW2.
Also unlike some companies *cough* blizzard *cough*... Arena net actually loves their fans, and are in this buisness for the love of Games and not for the love of money....
Not in the slightest.
Not on this forum no, I have never seen a game that seemed to impress the rank and file of this site like GW2. This is the closest thing I've seen to criticism of this game at all on mmorpg (though I don't follow the game closely).
But if mmorpg was any indication of the industry WOW would have closed by now so I'm not too sure the reception this game gets here really instills confidence that this game will not disappoint in some way.
Somehow GW1 managed to limp along on the same model for seven years. Somehow, I think they'll be just fine.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
no.
^That's one very nice answer you got there, and I have a hard time believing it, since you've proven to be quite skeptical of GW2 and to dislike GW1.
Apparantly this "game"-thing you are all talking about, and of which I know nothing of, will (according to the Developers) contain about as much content as all of the GW1 standalone campaigns and the expansion combined.
I started playing GW1 in 2005. Due to my inability to get addicted to ONE GAME THAT RULES THEM ALL, I had a lot of breaks with the original series. So far I've spent about 1900 hours on GW1, I've never even bothered with PVP. I know people who started in 2005 and have spent 6000+ hours on GW1. If I get hooked on GW2 just like I got hooked on GW1 I will probably have too much content to play through, especially if ArenaNet maintains a consistent pace of one expansion every 1/2 or 3/4 of year.
And, think of it this way: The more successful GW2 becomes, the more money ArenaNet gets, the more free content updates you'll get.
GW1 has this team still working on it. That's 9 employees out of 270 working for ArenaNet and Guild Wars is still being updated, content is still getting added, bugs are still getting fixed, designs for weapons and festival clothing are still being created.
With that said I AM EXTREMELY CONCERNED ABOUT THE LONGEVITY OF GW2, GAME WIL PHAIL!!1
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Plus it has me behind it. I can't say I'm surprised though because it does so many things that I love. It's clever, imaginative, varied, and it teaches good lessons. I wish more games could be like it.
The only MMORPG that's ever genuinely surprised me before this is Champions Online, and to speak of a few single-player games, I'd have to mention New Vegas, VVVVVV, and Solatorobo. Now that will either speak volumes of the pedigree of my taste or not, that's up to the reader, but suffice it to say that I'm an old fart and I'm easily disappointed. I find that games are often xenophobic, and worse, they encourage small-mindedness, they want the gamer to be an idiot, a xenophobe, a misanthrope, and generally games tend to be about... idiocy, frankly. There are too many games about idiocy.
I can't get behind a game that so thoroughly embraces and obsesses over (to a scary degree) idiocy. A game where the player is required to turn off their brain so that they don't start asking questions about the nature of the game. Whether it's why two warring nations haven't managed to find peace even when the solutions to their problems are dumbfoundingly obvious, or something as small as certain species constantly suicidally charging the player whilst still keeping their numbers up. Games don't pose intelligent questions, games often emit hurr I dumb and want you to be dumb too. They do this loudly and without any respite for the poor, aged gamer who's probably somewhere otuside of their target demographic.
Guild Wars 2 though? It's interesting. I mean, if you look at the thing with the charr and humans, and how the game is now teaching people that racism is bad, and that they should work together... well, if you look at that then it's great for two reasons. Not only does it teach kids to work together, and to set personal differences aside, but it actually teaches adults this as well. Which is entertaining because you get peple going all angry rage about "Buh, why I not kill charr now? Dey did der bad to Ascalon, I killz them all. I slaughterz the helpless kids too... what? I not bad person. Charr bad persons!"
Yeah.
That's been the fascinating side of it for me, really, and there's been lots of other interesting things going on, too. The midgets are actually magical in nature, and they're doing marvellously odd and strange things with magic. The asura don't use technology at all, they hate it, they favour their own quantum magicks instead to build their golems and hang massive stone cubes in teh sky. They're strange. And that's a good thing, because magic has been used in so many typical ways, hasn't it? If you look at damn near any past fantasy game, you see magic being used in the same way. But the Asura use it differently.
The fae race has a hive-mind and they're young, the bestial race is intelligent and the premiere technologists of the world, the humans are akin to gypsies and just barely hanging in there with their Renaissance-era flair rather than dominating the world whilst somehow still being trapped in some past medieval age, and so on. The dragons are the size of continents, the game is being designed to be as anti-grief as possible, encouraging people to work together, in a risky move they completely killed off quests and raids (in the conventional sense of quests and raids), there are underwater races, town, and content which is substantial, and it just generally feels... intelligent. It feels intelligent and it wants you to be intelligent too.
There are so many games out there which are nothing more than a bit of dumb fun, where I'm really underemphasising how dumb the dumb quotient is. But there are things about Guild Wars 2 that made me quirk an eyebrow and pay attention.
Guild Wars 2 has worth.
(And yeah, for the record, I value games that teach kids not to be misanthropic and xenophobic. I mean, with adult gamers, I see so much xenophobia and misanthropy it's ridiculous. Racism, homophobia, just arbitrary hate for people of different lifestyles, it's ridiculous. Today I've already seen gamers be xenophobic about Rastafarians, the Japanese (apparently they ripped off the art style of '60s America!), and people in third world countries. And that's just today. If we don't think that this is a problem then we're being idiots, and we're just hiding our heads in the sand. This IS a problem, with youngsters and adults alike, especially the adults, in fact. And any game that breaks from that and actually tries to teach people to not be hateful bigots I'm going to speak highly of. Because that's the exact opposite of too many dumb games today.)
So many silly threads about "worried about this" "worried about that"
Just relax. All will be revealed in time... why would anyone worry about the GW2 lifespan. Especially since it hasn't even come out yet... Whatever.
Peoples thoughts start to wander a bit when there has been nothing new for a while.
Well, I wasn't worried, but now that the debt-ceiling crisis has been narrowly averted, I might have some worry time freed up. Depends on what is going on with Charlie Sheen today. Oh, and on what Casey Anthony's lawyer's are saying. But even so, the lifespan of Guild Wars 2 is definitely a higher priority on my worry list than war in the Mideast and the price of crude.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
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http://www.guildwars.com/events/tradeshows/gc2007/gcspeech.php
Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true – you know it, and they know it.
They wrote it a long time ago. GuildWars is still played and admired today by many. So I would suspect that with their B2P model, and rich open-world dynamic and dungeon content that is to come with GW2, that not only will it be worth the box price, but that they will add expansion packs with progressively more content, perhaps more content, then one gets with a subscription-based mmorpg.
No.
First Reason is I am not interested in it & wont be playing it.
Second Reason is Sony will milk the hell out of it through expansions & DLC offerings, more than enough to keep the game "alive" for some time.
Not me personally, since I won't be playing it.
But.....the first Guild Wars is still being played, no??
SOE can't catch a break can they?
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Guild Wars is 6 years old and still beein played...with no subscriptions to pay....
Guild wars 2 is offering A LOT more....why should i be worried ?
Bahahaha. +1 to you sir.
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Even when they aren't remotely part of a project they still get blamed.
There will be always problems with server based worlds. Will be merges, no other way to ballance it.
Did i miss something?
What has Sony anything to do with Guild Wars 2 ??????????