After reading as much arguing and off-topicness as I could endure, I came to realise that no one has mentioned storyline. The story in Diablo 2 was superior to Torchlights, I felt...
Was simply wondering why no one had even mentioned this in a reson to shout "D3 WILL BE BECAUSE STORY" - so thought, I'd do it for them.
Put through the personal paces of my crippled fingers.
Originally posted by Kain_Dale Originally posted by clankyasp i think torchlight 2 will be better because it will sell for $2 while diablo 3 will sell for like $90.
2 dollar for mcdonald Double Stacked Cheeseburger
90 bucks for 10 steak, 10 lobster, 10 prime rib, 10 king crab legs u name em....
I'll take the 90 dollar deal! Cuz its much better and worth ur money to "entertain" yourself than old boring greasy mcdonald burger.
How about this.
25$ for a this month's The Economist.
90$ for a week of Daily Mail, while you have to pay 5$ every day to open the newspaper.
I'd take the 25$ one over the overpriced one that will seep through my money, require me to waste my bandwidth and be as deep and useful as daily mail is.
# A GRIM, ODD, ARCANE SKY # ANY GOD, I MARK SACRED # A MASKED CRY ADORING # A DREAMY, SICK DRAGON
Torchlight 2 will not be better simply because characters are not stored server side. I simply can't feel joy finding a really nice item when every idiot with an editor can do the same.
I simply can't feel joy finding a really nice item when every idiot with an editor can do the same.
In Diablo 3, every idiot with enough cash can have the best items in the game, similarly taking the joy out of finding items. I'd say that's just as bad. If I do buy Diablo 3, I'll only be playing Hardcore (like I did in Diablo 2) where there's none of that RMAH nonsense.
I simply can't feel joy finding a really nice item when every idiot with an editor can do the same.
In Diablo 3, every idiot with enough cash can have the best items in the game, similarly taking the joy out of finding items. I'd say that's just as bad. If I do buy Diablo 3, I'll only be playing hardcore (like I did in Diablo 2) where there's none of that RMAH nonsense.
Would of happened illegally if they did not implement it themselves. Time to get over it.
If Blizzard had not imbedded it in the game someone else would not have come along and imbedded it in the game. HIs point is that it will not be a PART of the game.
RMA house will be an improvement over spamming and ebay sales.
2. Torchlight 2 is modable.
Most games the mods are worthless, don't assume TL2 will be different.
3. Torchlight 2 will have superior character customization.
Rofl, come on now, the difference will be marginal and you know it, not only that what's the point when TL will have much less online gameplay support than D3?
4. Lan is supported.
Not an advantage within the last decade ffs.
5. Single player offline play is supported.
Not an advantage, everyone has internet, it will likely be like SC2, which was fine.
6. No gold farmers!
Who says D3 will have gold farmers? Gold will likely be about worthless endgame and you can buy items at the AH. No basis to this one at all.
7. Matt Uelmen is doing the Torchlight 2 soundtrack.
If you heard TL1's, it's such ripoff of D2 that while it's good, it's not an advantage because it's just cloning what's been done. If he can actually create something unique to his earlier work and still have it be good, then great. Who said D3's won't be as good though?
8. It will be much cheaper to buy compared to Diablo 3.
Indeed, it will be free because that's what happens when you don't protect your game. Is that an advantage? Only if you don't want a TL3.
9. Better loot
Ok now you are just making stuff up.
10. Runic games has 2 of the original creators of Diablo games, they know arpgs!
Eh, many studios make this claim, and all of them so far have churned out crapware. Apparently something is missing.
Consider yourself rebuttal'd.
Decent repsonses overall except for 4 and 5 LAN support is still desirable for far more people then apparently you realize. And basically saying there wont be more than a few really pissed off people that cant play because their Internet is borked is an utopian mentality.
RMA house will be an improvement over spamming and ebay sales.
2. Torchlight 2 is modable.
Most games the mods are worthless, don't assume TL2 will be different.
3. Torchlight 2 will have superior character customization.
Rofl, come on now, the difference will be marginal and you know it, not only that what's the point when TL will have much less online gameplay support than D3?
4. Lan is supported.
Not an advantage within the last decade ffs.
5. Single player offline play is supported.
Not an advantage, everyone has internet, it will likely be like SC2, which was fine.
6. No gold farmers!
Who says D3 will have gold farmers? Gold will likely be about worthless endgame and you can buy items at the AH. No basis to this one at all.
7. Matt Uelmen is doing the Torchlight 2 soundtrack.
If you heard TL1's, it's such ripoff of D2 that while it's good, it's not an advantage because it's just cloning what's been done. If he can actually create something unique to his earlier work and still have it be good, then great. Who said D3's won't be as good though?
8. It will be much cheaper to buy compared to Diablo 3.
Indeed, it will be free because that's what happens when you don't protect your game. Is that an advantage? Only if you don't want a TL3.
9. Better loot
Ok now you are just making stuff up.
10. Runic games has 2 of the original creators of Diablo games, they know arpgs!
Eh, many studios make this claim, and all of them so far have churned out crapware. Apparently something is missing.
Consider yourself rebuttal'd.
Decent repsonses overall except for 4 and 5 LAN support is still desirable for far more people then apparently you realize. And basically saying there wont be more than a few really pissed off people that cant play because their Internet is borked is an utopian mentality.
I don't understand. My life is so dystopic sometimes I want to /wrist but I got 99 problems and my internet ain't one. My net almost never goes down, I got a 3g hotspot phone if I really need it, and can probably steal internet in a pinch off some sucker who didn't secure his network nearby. And I live in bumfark america. Unless you are in achmaditerrorstan I don't know how it could be that difficult to work around.
In Torchlight, nobody is going to buy anything from an RMT site because they could just mod the thing themselves. Or they'll request it from a modder who will possibly do it for free.
TL2 could be an attack vector for some sort of virus, but it's unlikely.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
RMA house will be an improvement over spamming and ebay sales.
2. Torchlight 2 is modable.
Most games the mods are worthless, don't assume TL2 will be different.
3. Torchlight 2 will have superior character customization.
Rofl, come on now, the difference will be marginal and you know it, not only that what's the point when TL will have much less online gameplay support than D3?
4. Lan is supported.
Not an advantage within the last decade ffs.
5. Single player offline play is supported.
Not an advantage, everyone has internet, it will likely be like SC2, which was fine.
6. No gold farmers!
Who says D3 will have gold farmers? Gold will likely be about worthless endgame and you can buy items at the AH. No basis to this one at all.
7. Matt Uelmen is doing the Torchlight 2 soundtrack.
If you heard TL1's, it's such ripoff of D2 that while it's good, it's not an advantage because it's just cloning what's been done. If he can actually create something unique to his earlier work and still have it be good, then great. Who said D3's won't be as good though?
8. It will be much cheaper to buy compared to Diablo 3.
Indeed, it will be free because that's what happens when you don't protect your game. Is that an advantage? Only if you don't want a TL3.
9. Better loot
Ok now you are just making stuff up.
10. Runic games has 2 of the original creators of Diablo games, they know arpgs!
Eh, many studios make this claim, and all of them so far have churned out crapware. Apparently something is missing.
Consider yourself rebuttal'd.
Decent repsonses overall except for 4 and 5 LAN support is still desirable for far more people then apparently you realize. And basically saying there wont be more than a few really pissed off people that cant play because their Internet is borked is an utopian mentality.
I don't understand. My life is so dystopic sometimes I want to /wrist but I got 99 problems and my internet ain't one. My net almost never goes down, I got a 3g hotspot phone if I really need it, and can probably steal internet in a pinch off some sucker who didn't secure his network nearby. And I live in bumfark america. Unless you are in achmaditerrorstan I don't know how it could be that difficult to work around.
Your words, not ours.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
Unlike SC2, which had "guest" mode, D3 won't have that. It requires a constant and permanent internet connection to play. There are no guest passes or offline modes. It was originally planned but ever since then it has been decided to take that out completely...
# A GRIM, ODD, ARCANE SKY # ANY GOD, I MARK SACRED # A MASKED CRY ADORING # A DREAMY, SICK DRAGON
3. Torchlight 2 will have superior character customization.
4. Lan is supported.
5. Single player offline play is supported.
6. No gold farmers!
7. Matt Uelmen is doing the Torchlight 2 soundtrack.
8. It will be much cheaper to buy compared to Diablo 3.
9. Better loot
10. Runic games has 2 of the original creators of Diablo games, they know arpgs!
Why you are wrong:
1. No blood.
2. No Gore.
3. No Demons.
While I do not agree with a lot of how Blizzard is fucking up this series, I still think these three elements are crucial to a good dungeon crawler. When Dungeon Siege was actually good, it had it. Baldur's Gate had it. All of the diablo games have it. Games that don't (ie Torchlight and Mythos) really can't hold the interest of a mature gamer.
/thread.
I'm a mature gamer, and I'm far more interested in Torchlight 2 than I am in Diablo 3. If blood, gore, and demons are what you think mature gamers need to make a game playable, or to hold their attention, I think you're severely mistaken or haven't played many games. You're also making a blanket statement generalization that you have no evidence to reinforce.
Define your sense of maturity. Torchlight looks like going through effin' up smurf village. Diablo 3, while it has a stupid Warcraft-influenced color palette, still has elements like God of War in it, where limbs get severed and people get broken. When I play an action game, I need something visceral to hold by attention
I'd say I have played about 25,000 games before, not that it matters. Maybe somewhere between 3000 to 5000 video games, which I think is about about 3 new games a week since I started playing back in 1981.
The implication I was making, and what was obviously missed, is that a mature gamer (someone who actually goes into the experience analytically) isn't going to base their desire to play something on three details so superficial as "blood", "gore", and "demons". It's great that you need something visceral to hold your attention, but those three things have absolutely nothing to do with how well developed, or "good", a game is.
"This is life! We suffer and slave and expire. That's it!" -Bernard Black (Dylan Moran)
If Torchlight will be 1/5 time as good as Diablo 3, it will be quite achievement
Considering that Torchlight is being made by several people who worked on Diablo 1 & 2, and Diablo 3 doesn't... I'd say that Torchlight has a pretty damn good chance of giving Diablo 3 a run for it's money.
If Torchlight will be 1/5 time as good as Diablo 3, it will be quite achievement
Considering that Torchlight is being made by several people who worked on Diablo 1 & 2, and Diablo 3 doesn't... I'd say that Torchlight has a pretty damn good chance of giving Diablo 3 a run for it's money.
It doesnt have a single chance. First was pretty fun and polished game, but it was very simple, no lore, not much boss fighs, and T2 wont be any different. D3 is just in another league and budged
If Torchlight will be 1/5 time as good as Diablo 3, it will be quite achievement
Considering that Torchlight is being made by several people who worked on Diablo 1 & 2, and Diablo 3 doesn't... I'd say that Torchlight has a pretty damn good chance of giving Diablo 3 a run for it's money.
It doesnt have a single chance. First was pretty fun and polished game, but it was very simple, no lore, not much boss fighs, and T2 wont be any different. D3 is just in another league and budged
T2 will be very different. You should go take a peek at what they've revealed so far. T1 was basically a tiny arcade game to generate funds to make a bigger game, T2, to generate funds to make an MMO.
3. Torchlight 2 will have superior character customization.
4. Lan is supported.
5. Single player offline play is supported.
6. No gold farmers!
7. Matt Uelmen is doing the Torchlight 2 soundtrack.
8. It will be much cheaper to buy compared to Diablo 3.
9. Better loot
10. Runic games has 2 of the original creators of Diablo games, they know arpgs!
If you work for your own money and you know that 1cent is $1million better than ZERO cent you'll know why
Item #1 makes Diablo 3 a possible thousand real-money-a-year-in-your-pocket better than Torchlight 2.
In months time with the real money auction house, I can see my self earning the money back:
1. buying the game
2. and earning more to pay for my cable monthlies
3. and earning more to pay for my cellphone monthlies
4. and earning more to pay for gas and transportation expenses
5. and earning more to pay for groceries
6. and.... you know where I'm going when you get an opportunity to EARN REAL MONEY
while sitting lazy passing/WASTING time playing a video game. I've done it with powerleveled WoW account trading, EVE market paying for my EVE subscriptions, and selling to gold sellers. Now I'll be able to do it the legal way.
IT'S ABOUT TIME.
#2 to #10? Have you seen the games coming out? Recycled "classic" game imitations. Why do you think they're bringing back old defunc titles people love?
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i think torchlight 2 will be better because it will sell for $2 while diablo 3 will sell for like $90.
No.
After reading as much arguing and off-topicness as I could endure, I came to realise that no one has mentioned storyline. The story in Diablo 2 was superior to Torchlights, I felt...
Was simply wondering why no one had even mentioned this in a reson to shout "D3 WILL BE BECAUSE STORY" - so thought, I'd do it for them.
Put through the personal paces of my crippled fingers.
Because there is no true known quality to Diablo 3's narrative?
It's not the same writers as Diablo 2 and Torchlight was never designed with an involved story in mind.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
Fair point, but based from previous products - story has been pretty ok - I'm just presuming it will be the same with D3.
And that is probably exactly why I will prefer Diablo over Torchlight.
Put through the personal paces of my crippled fingers.
2 dollar for mcdonald Double Stacked Cheeseburger
90 bucks for 10 steak, 10 lobster, 10 prime rib, 10 king crab legs u name em....
I'll take the 90 dollar deal! Cuz its much better and worth ur money to "entertain" yourself than old boring greasy mcdonald burger.
Kain_Dale
2 dollar for mcdonald Double Stacked Cheeseburger
90 bucks for 10 steak, 10 lobster, 10 prime rib, 10 king crab legs u name em....
I'll take the 90 dollar deal! Cuz its much better and worth ur money to "entertain" yourself than old boring greasy mcdonald burger.
How about this.
25$ for a this month's The Economist.
90$ for a week of Daily Mail, while you have to pay 5$ every day to open the newspaper.
I'd take the 25$ one over the overpriced one that will seep through my money, require me to waste my bandwidth and be as deep and useful as daily mail is.
# A GRIM, ODD, ARCANE SKY
# ANY GOD, I MARK SACRED
# A MASKED CRY ADORING
# A DREAMY, SICK DRAGON
Torchlight 2 will not be better simply because characters are not stored server side. I simply can't feel joy finding a really nice item when every idiot with an editor can do the same.
In Diablo 3, every idiot with enough cash can have the best items in the game, similarly taking the joy out of finding items. I'd say that's just as bad. If I do buy Diablo 3, I'll only be playing Hardcore (like I did in Diablo 2) where there's none of that RMAH nonsense.
Right, which is why I'm avoiding both
PvP, what about PvP then. Is there a fucking ladder?
Diablo has 25v25 pvp? the ability to have unlimited game types through modding?
With no mod support Blizzard basically turn back the clock and made Diablo not worth purchasing.
Playing: Nothing
Looking forward to: Nothing
If Blizzard had not imbedded it in the game someone else would not have come along and imbedded it in the game. HIs point is that it will not be a PART of the game.
Yup because thats how I like to roll with hacked game code on my rig.
If Torchlight will be 1/5 time as good as Diablo 3, it will be quite achievement
Decent repsonses overall except for 4 and 5 LAN support is still desirable for far more people then apparently you realize. And basically saying there wont be more than a few really pissed off people that cant play because their Internet is borked is an utopian mentality.
I don't understand. My life is so dystopic sometimes I want to /wrist but I got 99 problems and my internet ain't one. My net almost never goes down, I got a 3g hotspot phone if I really need it, and can probably steal internet in a pinch off some sucker who didn't secure his network nearby. And I live in bumfark america. Unless you are in achmaditerrorstan I don't know how it could be that difficult to work around.
TL2 could be an attack vector for some sort of virus, but it's unlikely.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Your words, not ours.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
Just for knowledge of those who do not know:
Unlike SC2, which had "guest" mode, D3 won't have that. It requires a constant and permanent internet connection to play. There are no guest passes or offline modes. It was originally planned but ever since then it has been decided to take that out completely...
# A GRIM, ODD, ARCANE SKY
# ANY GOD, I MARK SACRED
# A MASKED CRY ADORING
# A DREAMY, SICK DRAGON
The implication I was making, and what was obviously missed, is that a mature gamer (someone who actually goes into the experience analytically) isn't going to base their desire to play something on three details so superficial as "blood", "gore", and "demons". It's great that you need something visceral to hold your attention, but those three things have absolutely nothing to do with how well developed, or "good", a game is.
"This is life! We suffer and slave and expire. That's it!" -Bernard Black (Dylan Moran)
Considering that Torchlight is being made by several people who worked on Diablo 1 & 2, and Diablo 3 doesn't... I'd say that Torchlight has a pretty damn good chance of giving Diablo 3 a run for it's money.
It doesnt have a single chance. First was pretty fun and polished game, but it was very simple, no lore, not much boss fighs, and T2 wont be any different. D3 is just in another league and budged
T2 will be very different. You should go take a peek at what they've revealed so far. T1 was basically a tiny arcade game to generate funds to make a bigger game, T2, to generate funds to make an MMO.
T1 worked like D1, dungeon goes down all the way.
T2 looks like D2, camps, open world and dungeons.
If you work for your own money and you know that 1cent is $1million better than ZERO cent you'll know why
Item #1 makes Diablo 3 a possible thousand real-money-a-year-in-your-pocket better than Torchlight 2.
In months time with the real money auction house, I can see my self earning the money back:
1. buying the game
2. and earning more to pay for my cable monthlies
3. and earning more to pay for my cellphone monthlies
4. and earning more to pay for gas and transportation expenses
5. and earning more to pay for groceries
6. and.... you know where I'm going when you get an opportunity to EARN REAL MONEY
while sitting lazy passing/WASTING time playing a video game. I've done it with powerleveled WoW account trading, EVE market paying for my EVE subscriptions, and selling to gold sellers. Now I'll be able to do it the legal way.
IT'S ABOUT TIME.
#2 to #10? Have you seen the games coming out? Recycled "classic" game imitations. Why do you think they're bringing back old defunc titles people love?