The vanity tab was something BioWare was against from day one, but since they said it wasn't in game the forums pretty much swam with people wanting it added. I doubt they are considering adding it because of wow, I'd say it might have something to do with a few polls that top outed over 2k people demanding a vanity tab.
I would have to agree with this. BioWare has been VERY receptive so far to changes based on what the community wants. The polling they did to rename the Jedi "Wizard" to Jedi "Sage" is the most obvious one, but if you go back and watch the multitude of interviews they have done, you will see a lot of times that they mention changing things based on what the "people" wanted.
Not really, they have been against even when all the polls showed over 75% of the voters wanted it. Their kept saying players will have to choose between the look and the stars. For the little story they removed the poll in the main appearance tab.
What made them change their view is now along SWG, EQ2, LotRo, DDO, WAR, AoC, RIFT and soon GW2 even Wow will have it.
Can I see some proof to either of your points please. My proof is in the swtor.com webpage AND numerous interview vids.
you're gonna find some pants that don't match your current stuff but it's better so for the people who really are like trying to max up their statistics they are going to put thoses in ... you're gonna have the player who waits because they care more about what they look like then you know the statistics
Will this system provide you as much options as the appearance tab you are asking for? No it won't. But it definitely provides a whole lot more visual customization than a purely drop driven MMO as you can modify the equipment you find/buy in the game with any fitting mod you buy/find/craft.
All that was before Wow announced the tranmostuff.
What made them change their view is now along SWG, EQ2, LotRo, DDO, WAR, AoC, RIFT and soon GW2 even Wow will have it.
Don't neglect to mention the games that never needed an appearance tab, because they were built with that level of customization from day one.
I think WoW's finally starting to realize that tiered armor for "trophy" value was a mistake. It explains why they were so reluctant for so many years to change it.
Now I wonder if they'll ever give up on Enormous Shoulderpads.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
this question has been adressed by Bioware long before Blizzard announced their upcomming version in 4.3
Its a highly requested feature (especially by RPers), nobody has really "stolen" the idea from anyone.
Pretty sure the release of CoH (and armor dye in GW1) triggered the first "appearance tab" threads as early as '04.
Don't remember any threads earlier than that, but they probably existed. It's an old, old idea.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
The vanity tab was something BioWare was against from day one, but since they said it wasn't in game the forums pretty much swam with people wanting it added. I doubt they are considering adding it because of wow, I'd say it might have something to do with a few polls that top outed over 2k people demanding a vanity tab.
I would have to agree with this. BioWare has been VERY receptive so far to changes based on what the community wants. The polling they did to rename the Jedi "Wizard" to Jedi "Sage" is the most obvious one, but if you go back and watch the multitude of interviews they have done, you will see a lot of times that they mention changing things based on what the "people" wanted.
Not really, they have been against even when all the polls showed over 75% of the voters wanted it. Their kept saying players will have to choose between the look and the stars. For the little story they removed the poll in the main appearance tab.
What made them change their view is now along SWG, EQ2, LotRo, DDO, WAR, AoC, RIFT and soon GW2 even Wow will have it.
Can I see some proof to either of your points please. My proof is in the swtor.com webpage AND numerous interview vids.
Mind providing the links to the posts, please? Here's some beef:
you're gonna find some pants that don't match your current stuff but it's better so for the people who really are like trying to max up their statistics they are going to put thoses in ... you're gonna have the player who waits because they care more about what they look like then you know the statistics
Will this system provide you as much options as the appearance tab you are asking for? No it won't. But it definitely provides a whole lot more visual customization than a purely drop driven MMO as you can modify the equipment you find/buy in the game with any fitting mod you buy/find/craft.
All that was before Wow announced the tranmostuff.
First off, the polls do not mean a whole lot so I am sorry, but that is not much "proof". I will admit though that a lot of people want an appearance tab and while I am "meh" on it, I wouldn't fight against it either. Simply stated most people do not like the "discussion" on gaming forums and so avoid them entirely or will read them and never post. Second, I wanted some proof that WoW was behind this change.
As for your two quotes . . . that's nothing new and still doesn't prove anything other than they want us to grind gear, which we already new from a long ways back. The second quote actually does prove MY point that BioWare wants to make their customers happy by making changes they like. Allowing someone to keep a set of armor and switch out the mods on it for better ones is a pretty neat idea. I can't personally think of any MMO that has done this before. So good on them.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
It's enough that everyone of the same class has the same backstory and the same voice, at least let people dress different. I mean, I understand clones are a major part of Star Wars, but this is a bit overkill.
I have played MMO's that had no appearance tab at all, and they played fine, without the argument that you're using here as if it makes 'clones' of player in SW.
Personally I think it makes more sense to have no appearance tab and what you see is what they are wearing in combat, more realistic, but I can also see the other argument where realism is let go here and opted for convenience, where people can choose how they look without having to keep stats in mind. My preference is to no appearance tabs at all in an MMO, but if they're added, that's alright by me too.
I agree with Mav in a way. What worries me though is the "Trooper in a Fishnet Suit" or the "Clown Jedi" that will be popping up if they are not careful what they allow people to wear.
The Appearance tabs CAN be good, but they can be abused just as easily.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
I agree with Mav in a way. What worries me though is the "Trooper in a Fishnet Suit" or the "Clown Jedi" that will be popping up if they are not careful what they allow people to wear.
The Appearance tabs CAN be good, but they can be abused just as easily.
I wouldn't worry too much about it.
When CoH first added the Boob Slider, there were 48DDD's as far as the eye can see, but it was a relatively short-lived phenomena. Aion had a brief period of "push the sliders to the limit" craziness too, but after a while players realize that you're not being unique or cool or maverick when everyone else had the same idea.
Any "clownface" abuse will drop back off the map fairly quickly.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
I agree with Mav in a way. What worries me though is the "Trooper in a Fishnet Suit" or the "Clown Jedi" that will be popping up if they are not careful what they allow people to wear.
The Appearance tabs CAN be good, but they can be abused just as easily.
I wouldn't worry too much about it.
When CoH first added the Boob Slider, there were 48DDD's as far as the eye can see, but it was a relatively short-lived phenomena. Aion had a brief period of "push the sliders to the limit" craziness too, but after a while players realize that you're not being unique or cool or maverick when everyone else had the same idea.
Any "clownface" abuse will drop back off the map fairly quickly.
And yet last night when I logged into CoX, I saw at least a dozen fishnet suits and almost every woman had a huge chest.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
And yet last night when I logged into CoX, I saw at least a dozen fishnet suits and almost every woman had a huge chest.
Well, the 44C's are the default model (it is a comic book tradition, after all). The max slider looks more like two giant weather balloons trapped in spandex. Fishnets are kind of a comic book staple, too.
On the other hand, have you ever seen fishnets in a star wars flick? Carrie Fisher's Cheesecake Armor was about as risque as it ever got. You may be jumping at shadows
There was a theory at one point that you could inversely correlate a male gamer's age with the chest size he chose...heh.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
I don't really see why an apperance tap is needed. I don't want to get into a fight with someone who looks like a Jedi Knight when they are really a JC.
This happened all the time in EQII I thought I was Fighting a ranger so I closed in only to find out it was a beserker.
I don't really see why an apperance tap is needed. I don't want to get into a fight with someone who looks like a Jedi Knight when they are really a JC.
This happened all the time in EQII I thought I was Fighting a ranger so I closed in only to find out it was a beserker.
This is just a silly arguement, in EQII when you target someone you can see what buffs they have and it tells you what class they are. Dont blame appearance tabs because you dont know how to pvp.
I don't really see why an apperance tap is needed. I don't want to get into a fight with someone who looks like a Jedi Knight when they are really a JC.
This happened all the time in EQII I thought I was Fighting a ranger so I closed in only to find out it was a beserker.
This is just a silly arguement, in EQII when you target someone you can see what buffs they have and it tells you what class they are. Dont blame appearance tabs because you dont know how to pvp.
Me-Wait don't attack I need to check out your buff...
This was made worse due to tthe face that EQII shared a lot of the same spell Icons.
This is one of those feature all mmorpg should adept imo, i myself can get rather annoyd if im stuck with a ugly armor for a good ammount of time. I see nothing wrong and only good things about it.
Sure you get some pink outfits but they are always very very few and manage to make me smile. i wouldt dare to even dress my avatar in pink.
I remeber in apb there was one dude with pink police hat, pink underware and a pink tie with his pink pimpmobile and i realy laughed everytime i was team up with that dude as it lookd halarious. One of my better moments in APB.
They could always remove the pink color entirly as there are more bad then good outfits linkd with that color but personaly i find em funny.
The vanity tab was something BioWare was against from day one, but since they said it wasn't in game the forums pretty much swam with people wanting it added. I doubt they are considering adding it because of wow, I'd say it might have something to do with a few polls that top outed over 2k people demanding a vanity tab.
I would have to agree with this. BioWare has been VERY receptive so far to changes based on what the community wants. The polling they did to rename the Jedi "Wizard" to Jedi "Sage" is the most obvious one, but if you go back and watch the multitude of interviews they have done, you will see a lot of times that they mention changing things based on what the "people" wanted.
Not really, they have been against even when all the polls showed over 75% of the voters wanted it. Their kept saying players will have to choose between the look and the stars. For the little story they removed the poll in the main appearance tab.
What made them change their view is now along SWG, EQ2, LotRo, DDO, WAR, AoC, RIFT and soon GW2 even Wow will have it.
Can I see some proof to either of your points please. My proof is in the swtor.com webpage AND numerous interview vids.
Mind providing the links to the posts, please? Here's some beef:
you're gonna find some pants that don't match your current stuff but it's better so for the people who really are like trying to max up their statistics they are going to put thoses in ... you're gonna have the player who waits because they care more about what they look like then you know the statistics
Will this system provide you as much options as the appearance tab you are asking for? No it won't. But it definitely provides a whole lot more visual customization than a purely drop driven MMO as you can modify the equipment you find/buy in the game with any fitting mod you buy/find/craft.
All that was before Wow announced the tranmostuff.
First off, the polls do not mean a whole lot so I am sorry, but that is not much "proof". I will admit though that a lot of people want an appearance tab and while I am "meh" on it, I wouldn't fight against it either. Simply stated most people do not like the "discussion" on gaming forums and so avoid them entirely or will read them and never post. Second, I wanted some proof that WoW was behind this change.
As for your two quotes . . . that's nothing new and still doesn't prove anything other than they want us to grind gear, which we already new from a long ways back. The second quote actually does prove MY point that BioWare wants to make their customers happy by making changes they like. Allowing someone to keep a set of armor and switch out the mods on it for better ones is a pretty neat idea. I can't personally think of any MMO that has done this before. So good on them.
Polls with over 2k votes have a very small margin of error. Not proof but they do show a very precise trend.
Second the "proof" lays in front of you eyes: before that annoucement they never ever anounced they wanted a-tabs (or similar) in TOR and suddenly there we go.
Finally they admitted their concept isn't as flexible as an appearance tab, check my link.
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The vanity tab was something BioWare was against from day one, but since they said it wasn't in game the forums pretty much swam with people wanting it added. I doubt they are considering adding it because of wow, I'd say it might have something to do with a few polls that top outed over 2k people demanding a vanity tab.
I would have to agree with this. BioWare has been VERY receptive so far to changes based on what the community wants. The polling they did to rename the Jedi "Wizard" to Jedi "Sage" is the most obvious one, but if you go back and watch the multitude of interviews they have done, you will see a lot of times that they mention changing things based on what the "people" wanted. Not really, they have been against even when all the polls showed over 75% of the voters wanted it. Their kept saying players will have to choose between the look and the stars. For the little story they removed the poll in the main appearance tab. What made them change their view is now along SWG, EQ2, LotRo, DDO, WAR, AoC, RIFT and soon GW2 even Wow will have it. Can I see some proof to either of your points please. My proof is in the swtor.com webpage AND numerous interview vids. Mind providing the links to the posts, please? Here's some beef: The poll was here and lived very shortly Another poll about appearance tabs here The poll I made
you're gonna find some pants that don't match your current stuff but it's better so for the people who really are like trying to max up their statistics they are going to put thoses in ... you're gonna have the player who waits because they care more about what they look like then you know the statistics
Will this system provide you as much options as the appearance tab you are asking for? No it won't. But it definitely provides a whole lot more visual customization than a purely drop driven MMO as you can modify the equipment you find/buy in the game with any fitting mod you buy/find/craft.
All that was before Wow announced the tranmostuff. First off, the polls do not mean a whole lot so I am sorry, but that is not much "proof". I will admit though that a lot of people want an appearance tab and while I am "meh" on it, I wouldn't fight against it either. Simply stated most people do not like the "discussion" on gaming forums and so avoid them entirely or will read them and never post. Second, I wanted some proof that WoW was behind this change. As for your two quotes . . . that's nothing new and still doesn't prove anything other than they want us to grind gear, which we already new from a long ways back. The second quote actually does prove MY point that BioWare wants to make their customers happy by making changes they like. Allowing someone to keep a set of armor and switch out the mods on it for better ones is a pretty neat idea. I can't personally think of any MMO that has done this before. So good on them. Polls with over 2k votes have a very small margin of error. Not proof but they do show a very precise trend. Second the "proof" lays in front of you eyes: before that annoucement they never ever anounced they wanted a-tabs (or similar) in TOR and suddenly there we go. Finally they admitted their concept isn't as flexible as an appearance tab, check my link. For your last part have a look at Aion
@Silvara1 Both something we want, but possibly not for launch.
So a reply on twitter that says "possibly not for launch" and you turn it into an announcement confirming appearance tabs? I think youre trying a little too hard heh
The vanity tab was something BioWare was against from day one, but since they said it wasn't in game the forums pretty much swam with people wanting it added. I doubt they are considering adding it because of wow, I'd say it might have something to do with a few polls that top outed over 2k people demanding a vanity tab.
I would have to agree with this. BioWare has been VERY receptive so far to changes based on what the community wants. The polling they did to rename the Jedi "Wizard" to Jedi "Sage" is the most obvious one, but if you go back and watch the multitude of interviews they have done, you will see a lot of times that they mention changing things based on what the "people" wanted.
Not really, they have been against even when all the polls showed over 75% of the voters wanted it. Their kept saying players will have to choose between the look and the stars. For the little story they removed the poll in the main appearance tab.
What made them change their view is now along SWG, EQ2, LotRo, DDO, WAR, AoC, RIFT and soon GW2 even Wow will have it.
Can I see some proof to either of your points please. My proof is in the swtor.com webpage AND numerous interview vids.
Mind providing the links to the posts, please? Here's some beef:
you're gonna find some pants that don't match your current stuff but it's better so for the people who really are like trying to max up their statistics they are going to put thoses in ... you're gonna have the player who waits because they care more about what they look like then you know the statistics
Will this system provide you as much options as the appearance tab you are asking for? No it won't. But it definitely provides a whole lot more visual customization than a purely drop driven MMO as you can modify the equipment you find/buy in the game with any fitting mod you buy/find/craft.
All that was before Wow announced the tranmostuff.
First off, the polls do not mean a whole lot so I am sorry, but that is not much "proof". I will admit though that a lot of people want an appearance tab and while I am "meh" on it, I wouldn't fight against it either. Simply stated most people do not like the "discussion" on gaming forums and so avoid them entirely or will read them and never post. Second, I wanted some proof that WoW was behind this change.
As for your two quotes . . . that's nothing new and still doesn't prove anything other than they want us to grind gear, which we already new from a long ways back. The second quote actually does prove MY point that BioWare wants to make their customers happy by making changes they like. Allowing someone to keep a set of armor and switch out the mods on it for better ones is a pretty neat idea. I can't personally think of any MMO that has done this before. So good on them.
Polls with over 2k votes have a very small margin of error. Not proof but they do show a very precise trend.
Second the "proof" lays in front of you eyes: before that annoucement they never ever anounced they wanted a-tabs (or similar) in TOR and suddenly there we go.
Finally they admitted their concept isn't as flexible as an appearance tab, check my link.
For your last part have a look at Aion
Actually, polls based on only the most interested people in any subject ARE concidered the MOST unreliable polls you can possibly have. Would I go to a conservative website that blasts "Unmarried Mothers" (just a generic topic) and expect that a poll they conducted on their website would not favor their point of view? If your poll randomly polled 2K people that are not the most rabid gaming (and forum) fans, then I might be a little more convinced.
Also, you have STILL failed to prove that these other games are in any way responsible for them deciding to take another look at the appearance tab. In my first post I said "BioWare has been VERY receptive so far to changes based on what the community wants." and so far you have not done anything to convince me that this is not a case of BioWare listening to the gamers and not the other games on the market. I admit to a possiblity, but I will not agree with your apparent omniscience. I would suggest you drop this since, as of right now, you have no proof to your claims and are only going by what you "believe" to be the case.
As usual it has been fun debating you Deewe, but you can't win this one until BioWare collaborates what you are saying.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
It's enough that everyone of the same class has the same backstory and the same voice, at least let people dress different. I mean, I understand clones are a major part of Star Wars, but this is a bit overkill.
I have played MMO's that had no appearance tab at all, and they played fine, without the argument that you're using here as if it makes 'clones' of player in SW.
Personally I think it makes more sense to have no appearance tab and what you see is what they are wearing in combat, more realistic, but I can also see the other argument where realism is let go here and opted for convenience, where people can choose how they look without having to keep stats in mind. My preference is to no appearance tabs at all in an MMO, but if they're added, that's alright by me too.
Most older games had no apperance slots. However, most older games had tons and tons of different items in the game "just because". Also, older games didn't care as much about "balance", so if you wore something crappy for appearance, it wasn't a huge deal.
In the modern theme-park MMO, every item worn usually matters and developers tend to stay away from making thousands of items "for the sake of choice alone" as it consumes development time. So in order to save themselves money, they create appearance slots so that instead of making 50 level 30 Robes, they can now make level 10 & 20 robes usable for appearance at level 30 and make that many less items.
Would I prefer a more realistic game with tons of item choices? Sure. But this runs counter to modern themepark design philosophy and especially counter to SWTOR philosophy - they've said they're not making a "world".
For those bothered by the idea of "Raindbow" jedi, seriously, do you think that the world is totally bleak and colourless and that everyone wears black? People in the star wars universe have a fashion sense. And aside from that, when Darthdrizzt comes up to you and asks for the superbowl score, the fact that he is wearing yellow is the least of the possible immersion issues.
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall Currently Playing: ESO
Being able to customise your character's look without penalising its effectiveness should be a no-brainer these days.
Superhero MMOs have been doing it for longer than WoW has existed and a wide variety of looks, even the really awful ones, adds a lot to a gameworld. It adds a lot to the relationship between player and character too, which is something I think a lot of dev teams are now beginning to appreciate.
On another note I can't wait to see that trooper battling in a pink leotard and tutu
Yeah, another thing is that when it comes to getting hit 1000 times with lightsaber, a pink tutu "realistically" offers about the exact same protection as a full-powered battlesuit.
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
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The vanity tab was something BioWare was against from day one, but since they said it wasn't in game the forums pretty much swam with people wanting it added. I doubt they are considering adding it because of wow, I'd say it might have something to do with a few polls that top outed over 2k people demanding a vanity tab.
I would have to agree with this. BioWare has been VERY receptive so far to changes based on what the community wants. The polling they did to rename the Jedi "Wizard" to Jedi "Sage" is the most obvious one, but if you go back and watch the multitude of interviews they have done, you will see a lot of times that they mention changing things based on what the "people" wanted.
Not really, they have been against even when all the polls showed over 75% of the voters wanted it. Their kept saying players will have to choose between the look and the stars. For the little story they removed the poll in the main appearance tab.
What made them change their view is now along SWG, EQ2, LotRo, DDO, WAR, AoC, RIFT and soon GW2 even Wow will have it.
Can I see some proof to either of your points please. My proof is in the swtor.com webpage AND numerous interview vids.
Mind providing the links to the posts, please? Here's some beef:
you're gonna find some pants that don't match your current stuff but it's better so for the people who really are like trying to max up their statistics they are going to put thoses in ... you're gonna have the player who waits because they care more about what they look like then you know the statistics
Will this system provide you as much options as the appearance tab you are asking for? No it won't. But it definitely provides a whole lot more visual customization than a purely drop driven MMO as you can modify the equipment you find/buy in the game with any fitting mod you buy/find/craft.
All that was before Wow announced the tranmostuff.
First off, the polls do not mean a whole lot so I am sorry, but that is not much "proof". I will admit though that a lot of people want an appearance tab and while I am "meh" on it, I wouldn't fight against it either. Simply stated most people do not like the "discussion" on gaming forums and so avoid them entirely or will read them and never post. Second, I wanted some proof that WoW was behind this change.
As for your two quotes . . . that's nothing new and still doesn't prove anything other than they want us to grind gear, which we already new from a long ways back. The second quote actually does prove MY point that BioWare wants to make their customers happy by making changes they like. Allowing someone to keep a set of armor and switch out the mods on it for better ones is a pretty neat idea. I can't personally think of any MMO that has done this before. So good on them.
Polls with over 2k votes have a very small margin of error. Not proof but they do show a very precise trend.
Second the "proof" lays in front of you eyes: before that annoucement they never ever anounced they wanted a-tabs (or similar) in TOR and suddenly there we go.
Finally they admitted their concept isn't as flexible as an appearance tab, check my link.
For your last part have a look at Aion
Actually, polls based on only the most interested people in any subject ARE concidered the MOST unreliable polls you can possibly have. Would I go to a conservative website that blasts "Unmarried Mothers" (just a generic topic) and expect that a poll they conducted on their website would not favor their point of view? If your poll randomly polled 2K people that are not the most rabid gaming (and forum) fans, then I might be a little more convinced.
Also, you have STILL failed to prove that these other games are in any way responsible for them deciding to take another look at the appearance tab. In my first post I said "BioWare has been VERY receptive so far to changes based on what the community wants." and so far you have not done anything to convince me that this is not a case of BioWare listening to the gamers and not the other games on the market. I admit to a possiblity, but I will not agree with your apparent omniscience. I would suggest you drop this since, as of right now, you have no proof to your claims and are only going by what you "believe" to be the case.
As usual it has been fun debating you Deewe, but you can't win this one until BioWare collaborates what you are saying.
You are fine not to like my points still, your are the one arguing about my posts, links and so and never ever dared provide any links. In the end we both know who's playing it easy.
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Mind providing the links to the posts, please?
Here's some beef:
The poll was here and lived very shortly
Another poll about appearance tabs here
The poll I made
Also
Look here @9:40.
Originally Posted by James Ohlen
you're gonna find some pants that don't match your current stuff but it's better so for the people who really are like trying to max up their statistics they are going to put thoses in ... you're gonna have the player who waits because they care more about what they look like then you know the statistics
And not so long ago: clicky
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Originally Posted by GeorgZoeller
Will this system provide you as much options as the appearance tab you are asking for? No it won't. But it definitely provides a whole lot more visual customization than a purely drop driven MMO as you can modify the equipment you find/buy in the game with any fitting mod you buy/find/craft.
All that was before Wow announced the tranmostuff.
Don't neglect to mention the games that never needed an appearance tab, because they were built with that level of customization from day one.
I think WoW's finally starting to realize that tiered armor for "trophy" value was a mistake. It explains why they were so reluctant for so many years to change it.
Now I wonder if they'll ever give up on Enormous Shoulderpads.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
this question has been adressed by Bioware long before Blizzard announced their upcomming version in 4.3
Its a highly requested feature (especially by RPers), nobody has really "stolen" the idea from anyone.
Pretty sure the release of CoH (and armor dye in GW1) triggered the first "appearance tab" threads as early as '04.
Don't remember any threads earlier than that, but they probably existed. It's an old, old idea.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
First off, the polls do not mean a whole lot so I am sorry, but that is not much "proof". I will admit though that a lot of people want an appearance tab and while I am "meh" on it, I wouldn't fight against it either. Simply stated most people do not like the "discussion" on gaming forums and so avoid them entirely or will read them and never post. Second, I wanted some proof that WoW was behind this change.
As for your two quotes . . . that's nothing new and still doesn't prove anything other than they want us to grind gear, which we already new from a long ways back. The second quote actually does prove MY point that BioWare wants to make their customers happy by making changes they like. Allowing someone to keep a set of armor and switch out the mods on it for better ones is a pretty neat idea. I can't personally think of any MMO that has done this before. So good on them.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
I agree with Mav in a way. What worries me though is the "Trooper in a Fishnet Suit" or the "Clown Jedi" that will be popping up if they are not careful what they allow people to wear.
The Appearance tabs CAN be good, but they can be abused just as easily.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
I wouldn't worry too much about it.
When CoH first added the Boob Slider, there were 48DDD's as far as the eye can see, but it was a relatively short-lived phenomena. Aion had a brief period of "push the sliders to the limit" craziness too, but after a while players realize that you're not being unique or cool or maverick when everyone else had the same idea.
Any "clownface" abuse will drop back off the map fairly quickly.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Cosmetics tabs and dye systems are the best thing that could of happened to the themepark sub-genre.
It lets everyone be creative with their characters look in a game that used to have every class looking exactly the same at a certain level.
Every game should be released with those systems.
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And yet last night when I logged into CoX, I saw at least a dozen fishnet suits and almost every woman had a huge chest.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
Thank you!
Well, the 44C's are the default model (it is a comic book tradition, after all). The max slider looks more like two giant weather balloons trapped in spandex. Fishnets are kind of a comic book staple, too.
On the other hand, have you ever seen fishnets in a star wars flick? Carrie Fisher's Cheesecake Armor was about as risque as it ever got. You may be jumping at shadows
There was a theory at one point that you could inversely correlate a male gamer's age with the chest size he chose...heh.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
I don't really see why an apperance tap is needed. I don't want to get into a fight with someone who looks like a Jedi Knight when they are really a JC.
This happened all the time in EQII I thought I was Fighting a ranger so I closed in only to find out it was a beserker.
Just to point out Rift and LOTR have appearence tab. WoW copied that Aion money sink system ..go read the details
This is just a silly arguement, in EQII when you target someone you can see what buffs they have and it tells you what class they are. Dont blame appearance tabs because you dont know how to pvp.
Me-Wait don't attack I need to check out your buff...
This was made worse due to tthe face that EQII shared a lot of the same spell Icons.
This is one of those feature all mmorpg should adept imo, i myself can get rather annoyd if im stuck with a ugly armor for a good ammount of time. I see nothing wrong and only good things about it.
Sure you get some pink outfits but they are always very very few and manage to make me smile. i wouldt dare to even dress my avatar in pink.
I remeber in apb there was one dude with pink police hat, pink underware and a pink tie with his pink pimpmobile and i realy laughed everytime i was team up with that dude as it lookd halarious. One of my better moments in APB.
They could always remove the pink color entirly as there are more bad then good outfits linkd with that color but personaly i find em funny.
Polls with over 2k votes have a very small margin of error. Not proof but they do show a very precise trend.
Second the "proof" lays in front of you eyes: before that annoucement they never ever anounced they wanted a-tabs (or similar) in TOR and suddenly there we go.
Finally they admitted their concept isn't as flexible as an appearance tab, check my link.
For your last part have a look at Aion
Not really, they have been against even when all the polls showed over 75% of the voters wanted it. Their kept saying players will have to choose between the look and the stars. For the little story they removed the poll in the main appearance tab.
What made them change their view is now along SWG, EQ2, LotRo, DDO, WAR, AoC, RIFT and soon GW2 even Wow will have it.
Can I see some proof to either of your points please. My proof is in the swtor.com webpage AND numerous interview vids.
Mind providing the links to the posts, please? Here's some beef:
The poll was here and lived very shortly
Another poll about appearance tabs here
The poll I made
Also
Look here @9:40.
Originally Posted by James Ohlen
you're gonna find some pants that don't match your current stuff but it's better so for the people who really are like trying to max up their statistics they are going to put thoses in ... you're gonna have the player who waits because they care more about what they look like then you know the statistics
And not so long ago: clicky
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeorgZoeller
Will this system provide you as much options as the appearance tab you are asking for? No it won't. But it definitely provides a whole lot more visual customization than a purely drop driven MMO as you can modify the equipment you find/buy in the game with any fitting mod you buy/find/craft.
All that was before Wow announced the tranmostuff.
First off, the polls do not mean a whole lot so I am sorry, but that is not much "proof". I will admit though that a lot of people want an appearance tab and while I am "meh" on it, I wouldn't fight against it either. Simply stated most people do not like the "discussion" on gaming forums and so avoid them entirely or will read them and never post. Second, I wanted some proof that WoW was behind this change.
As for your two quotes . . . that's nothing new and still doesn't prove anything other than they want us to grind gear, which we already new from a long ways back. The second quote actually does prove MY point that BioWare wants to make their customers happy by making changes they like. Allowing someone to keep a set of armor and switch out the mods on it for better ones is a pretty neat idea. I can't personally think of any MMO that has done this before. So good on them.
Polls with over 2k votes have a very small margin of error. Not proof but they do show a very precise trend.
Second the "proof" lays in front of you eyes: before that annoucement they never ever anounced they wanted a-tabs (or similar) in TOR and suddenly there we go.
Finally they admitted their concept isn't as flexible as an appearance tab, check my link.
For your last part have a look at Aion
So a reply on twitter that says "possibly not for launch" and you turn it into an announcement confirming appearance tabs? I think youre trying a little too hard heh
Actually, polls based on only the most interested people in any subject ARE concidered the MOST unreliable polls you can possibly have. Would I go to a conservative website that blasts "Unmarried Mothers" (just a generic topic) and expect that a poll they conducted on their website would not favor their point of view? If your poll randomly polled 2K people that are not the most rabid gaming (and forum) fans, then I might be a little more convinced.
Also, you have STILL failed to prove that these other games are in any way responsible for them deciding to take another look at the appearance tab. In my first post I said "BioWare has been VERY receptive so far to changes based on what the community wants." and so far you have not done anything to convince me that this is not a case of BioWare listening to the gamers and not the other games on the market. I admit to a possiblity, but I will not agree with your apparent omniscience. I would suggest you drop this since, as of right now, you have no proof to your claims and are only going by what you "believe" to be the case.
As usual it has been fun debating you Deewe, but you can't win this one until BioWare collaborates what you are saying.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
Most older games had no apperance slots. However, most older games had tons and tons of different items in the game "just because". Also, older games didn't care as much about "balance", so if you wore something crappy for appearance, it wasn't a huge deal.
In the modern theme-park MMO, every item worn usually matters and developers tend to stay away from making thousands of items "for the sake of choice alone" as it consumes development time. So in order to save themselves money, they create appearance slots so that instead of making 50 level 30 Robes, they can now make level 10 & 20 robes usable for appearance at level 30 and make that many less items.
Would I prefer a more realistic game with tons of item choices? Sure. But this runs counter to modern themepark design philosophy and especially counter to SWTOR philosophy - they've said they're not making a "world".
For those bothered by the idea of "Raindbow" jedi, seriously, do you think that the world is totally bleak and colourless and that everyone wears black? People in the star wars universe have a fashion sense. And aside from that, when Darthdrizzt comes up to you and asks for the superbowl score, the fact that he is wearing yellow is the least of the possible immersion issues.
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Being able to customise your character's look without penalising its effectiveness should be a no-brainer these days.
Superhero MMOs have been doing it for longer than WoW has existed and a wide variety of looks, even the really awful ones, adds a lot to a gameworld. It adds a lot to the relationship between player and character too, which is something I think a lot of dev teams are now beginning to appreciate.
other games have had appearance tabs and dressing rooms for ages, dies this mean WoW is copying them ?
On another note I can't wait to see that trooper battling in a pink leotard and tutu
I miss DAoC
Yeah, another thing is that when it comes to getting hit 1000 times with lightsaber, a pink tutu "realistically" offers about the exact same protection as a full-powered battlesuit.
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
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You are fine not to like my points still, your are the one arguing about my posts, links and so and never ever dared provide any links. In the end we both know who's playing it easy.
Let's avoid baiting others guys. Thanks!