The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
You unlocked this door with the key of imaginative thinking. Beyond it is another dimension with furry dice, hairless critters, erect apes and realistic ideas. You've just crossed over into the The Real World. )
Personally for me, I hate what they've done to games, they're not built around fun anymore. They don't set my imagination on fire like they used to. Alot of it is because I understand them better and know how they work. That magic is gone.
Although, I still enjoy just messing around and doing quarky stuff in games, not really taking them seriously as far as top scores or being proud of my skills or any of that, but just letting lose and seeing what happens, try to get a laugh.
I don't think you can outgrow games. They may not be at the top of the priorities list at the moment.
Edit: Oh yeah, I'm playin' Enemy Territory at the moment Waitin' on Tribes Universe to come out, or what's it called now, lemme look (opening window and search... loddy da...) "Tribes Ascend". Kinda like the skating, check it out it might be up your alley, or not.
I'm bored too. I dont enjoy games in general like i used to enjoy them 10 years ago. The main reason is probably because they all look and play the same with very little variation. This is especially true for all the recent MMO's. Hell even single player, all these Halo clones games, bored me instantly. I have a hard to believe developpers these days have no imagination anymore and only tried to immitate.
I'm 27 also and it's just boring to play any new MMO's.
Quick test:
"What is the difference between the following games?"
-WoW
-Allods (some F2P)
-Eq2
-Rift
-SWTOR (not out yet)
Quick question: what's the purpose of the test, and what has it to do with the OP?
The test is designed to show what your favoritism is towards. If you said "nothing is different" then you're more of a "Freedom of Choice" player. If you specified the "differences" you enjoy themepark hand-holding linear quest driven games. Just because you have a COUPLE extra paths to travel (ala SWTOR) does NOT make it non-linear.
The primary goal is to identify if YOU are burning out on your hobby, or if it's the games themselves becoming highly boring. What is boring to one is NOT boring to another.
The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity: Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.
The test is designed to show what your favoritism is towards. If you said "nothing is different" then you're more of a "Freedom of Choice" player. If you specified the "differences" you enjoy themepark hand-holding linear quest driven games. Just because you have a COUPLE extra paths to travel (ala SWTOR) does NOT make it non-linear.
The primary goal is to identify if YOU are burning out on your hobby, or if it's the games themselves becoming highly boring. What is boring to one is NOT boring to another.
What? I could name a bunch of differences and I'm not really a themepark fan at all. I think your criteria is a bit flawed.
To SB fans, please stop making our demographic look bad.Stop invading threads that have nothing to do with sandboxes.
The test is designed to show what your favoritism is towards. If you said "nothing is different" then you're more of a "Freedom of Choice" player. If you specified the "differences" you enjoy themepark hand-holding linear quest driven games. Just because you have a COUPLE extra paths to travel (ala SWTOR) does NOT make it non-linear.
The primary goal is to identify if YOU are burning out on your hobby, or if it's the games themselves becoming highly boring. What is boring to one is NOT boring to another.
Hmm, but wouldn't it make more sense to list other MMO's as well, to see if it's the genre or a personal change of taste and perspective that's the issue?
Like, for example, list APB, Xsyon, Earthrise, FFXIV, EVE Online, CO, Vindictus, Perpetuum Online, Ryzom, Vanguard, and such.
Those are different types of MMO. If someone states that he also finds those MMO's boring, then it might not ust be the MMO's but someone himself or herself that has been changing without them being aware of it. A narrow, pickier taste and inability to enjoy things that someone could enjoy in their youth or earlier in their gaming path, can be a sign of someone outgrowing a hobby, a change in preferences and priorities and likings. For example, a lot of people enjoyed EQ immensely when they played it 10 years ago, but I wonder if all of them will still do in the same way if they'd return to EQ or an MMO with the exact same mechanics.
This doesn't happen just with games but with a lot of interests and tastes that someone can have over the years.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I think its a little of both, you may have played mmo's for years like me and you probly had 1 game in particular u talk about or refer and compare to all other games. This Primus game you have is always going to be the best and shinyest.
As you grow older and wiser you realize that all these games are just about the same with few exceptions here and there.
WoW Clone!!! well lets looks at wow?
what is WoW a clone of? nothing? not true WoW is a copy of EQ and FFXI (just a personal oppinon)
all games are similar to one another because there are only so many keys on a keyboard to be used and the most convient keys are utiliuzed for the game.
When choosing a game to play you should look at what your interested in , do you like storys? ot maybe your an action fan.
Raids? pvp? FPS?
the truth is there is just to many people making games and their whole goal is to make money not make a game that is new and inovating.
Lets look at some MMO's
Rift : Whats different about this game? custom classes? psst . nothing new if a class is relied apon by skill tree's doesnt matter if you can train 3 skill trees at a time a skill tree is a skill tree nothng new here just more old same shit.
When i played Rift i felt like i was playing WoW and Warhammer combine.
WoW the most played MMO out there. why? because it made gaming easy no longer do you need a party of people to enjoy mmos but can be done solo!.
EVE. this is the most origonal and hardest mmo's to play truly a mmosandbox and one of the best mmo's out there
FF14: complete fail this is an example of a game that could and still be great if a lil more time went into its development instead of releeasing it a year early.
and as for free to play most of them are ALL the same .
so Game are infact Boaring because the whole point is to push out as many as the company can so they can make cash
and also as you grow older and realize the bullshit of life you figure out that videogame are videogame and if you onlly play them you will nver get anyware . your mind is trying to tell your body to get a job get a goal and get busy.
I dont exactly disagree with the idea of "out growing" mmos since im not old enough to judge but i playing from the ultima and EQ days I can say that there hasnt been anything different for the past decade. Im only 22 but i started playing MMOS very young due to the shalowness of consoles and even moreso what consoles are today. Sure i work full time and just game whenever i have spare time and possibly the fact i hardly get out bothers me, but there is no motivation to do so for me. Every once in a great while there might be a great movie, but other than that I dont exactly enjoy smoking or drinking (while this isnt an excuse because the two dont need to be present for a social gathering) I dont find "going out" entertaining. Now the common exception is the girlfriend, but to most of you those vary depending on the girls personality.
My girlfriend loves TF2, absolutely loves MMOS even more, plays FFXI with me (currently the only mmo thats keeping me inerested) and trys at all the new mmo launches with me. We go shopping for clothing, games PC components (knows almost as much as me when it comes to computers and loves building them with me) and occasionally go to MLG, PAX and other events when shes not in college/work. Im not sure how many hours a week is considered "going out" but i find that im not as worse off as most people. Rambling aside, i think its a combination of post WoW mmos that have diluted and made the current market crap. Developers are usually (always, most of the time) more about what makes them more money = game that attracts more players = game thats more casual to attract a larger age audience = bland ripoffs of WoW. Heres to hoping GW2 and SWTOR change that.
What it is your usually missing is a game that rewarded you for you work, had a intersting crafting system, was about exploration and not smasing head face first on your keyboard till your max level. Post WoW Vanilla all the games have been like this. Most vets either joined the crowd or stayed playing a NOW poorly updated game or left altogether due to that miracle patch that "insert mmo title here" that attempted at the wow fix but wound up destroying the game all together. We have gathered here on the internet to fued, whine, moan and troll eachother due to the golden years of MMO gaming. Some of us continue to hope for a DAoC2 or a UO2, others became happy with a newer age mmo, or like myself FFXI's miracle patch (level cap increase and abyssea) did more good for the game than bad.
A lot of bads and trolls made it into the game but there is never a lack of interesting friends to be made and adventured with. I meet players in a abyssea party the night before and the next day ill meet again and talk to them as i almost know them in RL (no joke) which is why its nice to not have anything in the game instanced. In the end it could he either OP, id suggest maintain a healthy balance of MMOs and RL and keep looking for that MMO.
I'm 32, used to love MMORPGs but development went away from trying to design virtual worlds to designing virtual theme parks. I outgrew themeparks in 8'th grade, that is why I don't like MMORPGs.
I still love regular RPGs, but these MMORPGs today, I don't like at all.
-I think MMORPGs just outgrew needing my money.
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii. --In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses. --The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence! --CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
and also as you grow older and realize the bullshit of life you figure out that videogame are videogame and if you onlly play them you will nver get anyware . your mind is trying to tell your body to get a job get a goal and get busy.
Wow, I didn't agree with some of your other arguments and examples but this one, this is one hell of a point.
Awesome
Great point, I think, boredom, depression, I think just like hunger they're indeed all alerts and signs that your mind is giving that you need to take some action, something isn't right for you.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Yup pretty much what others have said. It just called growing up, and our nature to make something of ourselves. You will see videogames as a stress reliever and relaxant hobby rather than your core life and adrenaline rush now. I enjoy it personally. Its just part of life's journey
You are bored with games. You had your excitement, now you are looking to appease a higher level of excitement (your excitement level is now higher than before) so it takes much more to fill it up than it would have before. It's part of you growing up, and to deal with this there are two ways. You can take the long approach to actually control your thoughts and emotions. This would allow you to get scited when you want to, and control your boredom. You can also just move on. Choose one that you want to do. You can get more out of the first option, but you need to be mentally strong. If not, go for option B. Yes, these are options, for me I chose option 1. I avoid games with company history being sour, taking instead of giving to the people who support them. I pick and choose my games, my excitment meter is controlled. Unlike most that think they can't ever make some changes, it comes down to understanding psychology. Really, how hard is it to just think postively, ignore your negative emotions, and carefully think out the thoughts you want to think. Technically, we are lazy and let our subconcious do most of the work. in reality, we can spend our day thinking and planning what we want to do next. We can read a book to learn, do something fun and new, pick new things to like, new things to hate, go anywhere we want, freedom in it's finest. Some people think stuff is predertermined for the mind. the way we learn is mostly pre determined. Some people just make excuses for the same garbage they feel they can't control or change. If I can learn to play baseball and love it, I can do anything. Enough said, either you simply move on or change. You think you are getting old for a hobby you might enjoy. Pick now, do you want to change your lifestyle or do you want to evolve and adapt you current lifestyle? Big choices, but most people run away from these all their lives. Don't run, pick now but remember if you don't like the change you can always go back, or you can learn to enjoy the new change. Don't let your emotions rule you, instead think and control your emotions (though some geek will say you can't control your emotions, and for that I point to US Navy Seals, nuff said).
I struggle not with life, money, emotions, and world, but against old mindsets and selves to be proven obsolete in a age and time of rapid changes. Go create fun, so you can have fun.
Many gamers are maturing.Game developers and investors in the main reflect safe ...what was done yesterday decisions. GW2 I think is an exception to the above. Rift is a classic yesterday game. Gamers ..to have fun want what they haven't ALWAYS experienced. Thats frightening to all but a few game companys making mmog's.
You are bored with games. You had your excitement, now you are looking to appease a higher level of excitement (your excitement level is now higher than before) so it takes much more to fill it up than it would have before. It's part of you growing up
i think you meant 'excitement threshold', that someone isn't as quickly excited or amazed anymore than they were in their youth or as a kid
For the rest, your post was a great read, I agree with option 1. I think the whole secret is in expectation management and how good you are at it, and knowing yourself and what your specific needs are and how to appease them effectively, whether that's gaming or other interests and stuff in life.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Games are getting boring. I'm 25 and I still find fun in games, but only if they are somewhat different than the status quo. GW 1 (for me, you might be different) is currently fulfilling this for me. It's different, takes more strategy and it isn't just mindless button mashing (well sometimes). It's also nice to be limited to 8 skills instead of having 233460970928349832 skills to choose from. I left EQ2 because of that (when I left i had 12 hotbars)
(bold wouldn't turn off up there)
Anyway, I try to go back to EQ2 and I can't. I got max level in adventuring and tradeskill and I just can't do anymore. Sure, I could go raid and get phat loot, but meh...it's not really my thing anymore.
So maybe part of it is that you are getting older and your tastes are changing. I know when I was 17-18 I loved to raid and get awesome gear, but as I get older, my time gets more limited and my patience for repetition gets shorter, even if there is a little bit in GW1, it's tolerable to me because it doesn't seem like that.
So it's probably a little bit of both. I'm personally looking forward to GW2. I would consider SWTOR, but being a college student, my time and money is limited so I like to stick to one or two games, mostly ones that are B2P or F2P (like EQ2). If I had the money and time, I'd probably go sub to a different game, but for now this keeps me happy and entertained.
After all, isn't that what gaming is really all about?
2. You remember the good parts and not the bad parts.
3. The 'good parts' were new to you, and you weren't experienced enough to notice the 'bad parts'.
4. People's first exposure to something is fresh, naturally.
5. Everything new is compared to EVERYTHING you experienced before. As you get older, you have a bigger library of experiences to compare it against.
6. Many old people aren't good at having fun anymore. Have you ever watched a 3 year old amuse themselves with a stick for hours? Yeah. You probably lost that skill.
Just look at it this way. You're basically turning into your dad telling you that your taste in music is crap and derivative.
The innovation is largely gone and development costs (because of expectations) are much greater... and the market is much, much bigger.
It's kind of like cars....the first cars were a great step forward from horses... and imaginations would've figured we'd all have flying robot cars with lasers and whatnot by now.... instead we're driving fancier versions of the original cars.
Ok.. maybe not perfect, but it's something like that.
Shoot your ass out of a cannon 1 mile up into the air and land in a 200ft thick pile of marshmellows 4 hours a day for 7 years and even that will get boring eventually.
It is hard to say, it is easy to say you are bored with games, but imo, it is also true that most, if not all newer games lack the depth that older games had.
Sure you have plenty of time sinks, but things seem more cookie-cutter if it makes sense...
Harvesting, and crafting are more trivial in most games, not as much in the way of common/uncommon/rare/ultra rare type harvested stuff.
Games are more casual in nature, as is the majority of demand...But some of us actually like things that are not as casual. It seems that all that is left that is not super casual is raiding and maybe harder set dungeons (and some/many would say nothing is not casual anymore).
Worlds are often small, super railed quest hubs, grind dungeons for tokens/points, grind scenarios for the same......Which is fine, but their is not much out there, if you do not want to grind those things, no off the beaten path, no discovery/exploration...Things are too small and structured for the most part.
It cost more money to make a larger and detailed world, with things set up in them, name spawns, and it not to be bland...It is much easier to make something small/railed and then commit people to a grind to the smaller area.
I think game are worse, sure graphics are better, but when people ask others what games had the best aspects, they often site older games. The cynical will say that is when you were new to certain things and first loves...But the last game I really liked the design of was Vanguard, and I have been playing stuff before UO was released, thats a long time for first loves...So I discount that theory in my case.
UO - I have played off and on, best housing system still, if a 3d game could recreate this it would be spectacular, yes they may need housing zones like in VG, as to avoid what was happening in SWG, or UO before some limits on where you could place. Crafting was useful. I prefer the older UO though, I do not like the new skill systems/setups...I like some of the newer crafting stuff, but I prefer the older, pre copied continent content. I would seriously consider playing a classic relaunch, that would limit the progression, and then keep things in the classic mold, but still add content....Actually, I guarantee I would play and not mind paying for it in 2D, as I use the classic UI.
EQ - I really liked this game, and I played it a ton, liked the older aspects of it also, I disliked the newer LDoN style content, I am not a big instance fan. Some is ok, but it went way too far. Loved the classes, some dislike trinities and such, but it was amazing what you could do with a good Cleric/Tank/Enchanter in EQ.
DAoC - The RvRvR was great in this game, loved the sieges, they had growing pains, too much CC (which seems to still be a problem today, if not worse)...MY favorite RvRvR game. They also added some twists to make classes more unique, with having points to spend, making classes a little different. This game brought a lot to the table, I am hoping GW2's tri-server stuff will be great fun.
SWG - I didn't play it early on, I prefer fantasy mmos, but I really liked the game, it had balancing issues, issues with buffs being too strong, and it needed battlegrounds fixed and content, but the CU/NGE destroyed what it was. If they had tweaked/fixed and added stuff in the old mold, it would of been much better imo. It had a lot of design functions like UO, since the dev list for SWG looks like a lot of the UO crew...Good/useful crafting, maybe too complex of harvesting, but still very nice.
Vanguard - The classes were interesting, the world was huge, crafting/harvesting/diplomacy were good. Sure it had problems and unless you had a brand new gaming computer it killed your machine it seems....Even with one it could be a challenge. It had bugs ect.... The developers made a ton of areas, with most having some named mobs, multiple places and paths to level. I thought that the classes were fun and interesting, and the PvE was very good. Sony promised a relaunch that never happend...They are supposed to be giving it some love again. If they develop content for it again, and it gets the work it needs, I may go back and play. I played on the PvP server(s), would like to see that come back with some support, as the acknowledgement that they were not going to work on pvp stuff anymore, till pve stuff was good (that meant never to everyone playing pvp, so they quit to play AoC and ended up being the truth).
I like options when I play, I like to explore, harvest, craft, pve, and some pvp...I like having options, if I get tired of one thing for a bit, I can go do something else, and feel like it is worth it.....The problem in most newer games is it feels like it is not worth it to do anything but grind for gear or valor or something....I don't see the depth of rewarding/useful alternate play imo.
I am looking forward to swtor/gw2 and arche age atm
SWTOR - I will do a trial when/if they have it, but I am very skeptical of it, but I will try it. I don't think I will like the enhanced focus on voice-over stuff. I don't like it in most things I have played, but I am willing to be open minded, and I am always hoping to love something I play.
GW2 - I have not read a ton on it, as it is a ways off still, but I am interested in the tri-server warfronts, and I hope the rest of the game has depth, and that they do not make it pay to win in the end....I do not like f2p type systems for the most part, and I am hoping they can keep the b2p system working, to where they do not need to make it pay to win.
Arche Age - I like the ideas around it, but I have a bad feeling about it, maybe because some of it seems too good to be true....I will be checking it out though.
My most recent game was Rift, but it has many of the pitfalls, it is a good game for what it is, but I have lost interest once I hit 50 and the alternate play was not good imo.
I think the upcoming batch of MMO's will be the true testing ground.
If someone who says to be an MMO gamer is saying, after GW2, SWTOR, TSW, Arche Age, Firefall, Planetside 2, TERA, and World of Darkness have arrived that they're still bored with MMO's, then it's safe to conclude that the issue might lie for a considerable part with a person himself and how his own tastes and perception has changed.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I'm sitting here at 27 and I'm finally getting in shape. So over the last 5 months I've been playing MMORPGs (and other games) less and less. When I do get a moment to play EQ2 or Eve I find myself actually luke warm or sometimes just not caring to play at all. I liked playing witcher 2, but I enjoyed it more for the story than the gameplay. Am I just outgrowing games? Or are the games just not really doing anything different these days and as much as I want to fool myself; my subconscious knows.
I've played pretty much every major MMORPG to come out? So what else is there? Is there a fun online strategy game I don't know of? I loved playing WC3 online.
I'm 28, exact same situation. I truely feel I've out-grown 'most' gaming. I do find Age of Empires Online entertaining. And I am waiting on a few select Xbox titles this year, but in the last few months, once I played and shortly after abandoned Rift, I've not really given much thought to MMOs.
I do have minor intentions of playing SWTOR (I have it pre-ordered) but I do not have high hopes for that 'gaming euphoria' that is certainly lacking these days.
It's true that I think you can just outgrow gaming. I think I'm there, and you know what? I seem to be happier for it since I've stopped gaming these last few months. I am feeling bored here and there, but doing things like jogging, SLEEPING like a normal person are all new concepts to do in my new 'game free' time.
So embrace it, maybe it's for the better.
Hey TSW Players http://www.unfair.co/ for Mission guides, Lore Locations and stuff....
I am also bored to death.Ive been through maple story for 2 yrs finally getting to 200 (sigh) Battle of the immortals, which is a total cash shop game now, uncharted waters(got bored when the farms came out),tried Rift,I thought it sucked.Tried forsaken world,sucked. My brother got me into 3rd person shooter recently. It was fine for 3 days,then I found I am not good with shooting and pvp, so I have left that. So now I am just free floating around.... The pc never had such a rest! lol Used to play 20/7 each day of the above games. Now it just sits quiet while I check my email.
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Plot, background lore, quests, characters, graphics etc etc.
Even on a game mechanical level there are huge differences.
Not sure what you are trying to say here.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Quick question: what's the purpose of the test, and what has it to do with the OP?
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
You unlocked this door with the key of imaginative thinking. Beyond it is another dimension with furry dice, hairless critters, erect apes and realistic ideas. You've just crossed over into the The Real World.
)
Personally for me, I hate what they've done to games, they're not built around fun anymore. They don't set my imagination on fire like they used to. Alot of it is because I understand them better and know how they work. That magic is gone.
Although, I still enjoy just messing around and doing quarky stuff in games, not really taking them seriously as far as top scores or being proud of my skills or any of that, but just letting lose and seeing what happens, try to get a laugh.
I don't think you can outgrow games. They may not be at the top of the priorities list at the moment.
Edit: Oh yeah, I'm playin' Enemy Territory at the moment Waitin' on Tribes Universe to come out, or what's it called now, lemme look (opening window and search... loddy da...) "Tribes Ascend". Kinda like the skating, check it out it might be up your alley, or not.
http://www.tribesuniverse.com/
Godspeed my fellow gamer
I'm bored too. I dont enjoy games in general like i used to enjoy them 10 years ago. The main reason is probably because they all look and play the same with very little variation. This is especially true for all the recent MMO's. Hell even single player, all these Halo clones games, bored me instantly. I have a hard to believe developpers these days have no imagination anymore and only tried to immitate.
The test is designed to show what your favoritism is towards. If you said "nothing is different" then you're more of a "Freedom of Choice" player. If you specified the "differences" you enjoy themepark hand-holding linear quest driven games. Just because you have a COUPLE extra paths to travel (ala SWTOR) does NOT make it non-linear.
The primary goal is to identify if YOU are burning out on your hobby, or if it's the games themselves becoming highly boring. What is boring to one is NOT boring to another.
The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity:
Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.
What? I could name a bunch of differences and I'm not really a themepark fan at all. I think your criteria is a bit flawed.
To SB fans, please stop making our demographic look bad.Stop invading threads that have nothing to do with sandboxes.
SW:TOR Graphics Evolution and Comparison
SW:TOR Compare MMO Quests, Combat and More...
Hmm, but wouldn't it make more sense to list other MMO's as well, to see if it's the genre or a personal change of taste and perspective that's the issue?
Like, for example, list APB, Xsyon, Earthrise, FFXIV, EVE Online, CO, Vindictus, Perpetuum Online, Ryzom, Vanguard, and such.
Those are different types of MMO. If someone states that he also finds those MMO's boring, then it might not ust be the MMO's but someone himself or herself that has been changing without them being aware of it. A narrow, pickier taste and inability to enjoy things that someone could enjoy in their youth or earlier in their gaming path, can be a sign of someone outgrowing a hobby, a change in preferences and priorities and likings. For example, a lot of people enjoyed EQ immensely when they played it 10 years ago, but I wonder if all of them will still do in the same way if they'd return to EQ or an MMO with the exact same mechanics.
This doesn't happen just with games but with a lot of interests and tastes that someone can have over the years.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I think its a little of both, you may have played mmo's for years like me and you probly had 1 game in particular u talk about or refer and compare to all other games. This Primus game you have is always going to be the best and shinyest.
As you grow older and wiser you realize that all these games are just about the same with few exceptions here and there.
WoW Clone!!! well lets looks at wow?
what is WoW a clone of? nothing? not true WoW is a copy of EQ and FFXI (just a personal oppinon)
all games are similar to one another because there are only so many keys on a keyboard to be used and the most convient keys are utiliuzed for the game.
When choosing a game to play you should look at what your interested in , do you like storys? ot maybe your an action fan.
Raids? pvp? FPS?
the truth is there is just to many people making games and their whole goal is to make money not make a game that is new and inovating.
Lets look at some MMO's
Rift : Whats different about this game? custom classes? psst . nothing new if a class is relied apon by skill tree's doesnt matter if you can train 3 skill trees at a time a skill tree is a skill tree nothng new here just more old same shit.
When i played Rift i felt like i was playing WoW and Warhammer combine.
WoW the most played MMO out there. why? because it made gaming easy no longer do you need a party of people to enjoy mmos but can be done solo!.
EVE. this is the most origonal and hardest mmo's to play truly a mmosandbox and one of the best mmo's out there
FF14: complete fail this is an example of a game that could and still be great if a lil more time went into its development instead of releeasing it a year early.
and as for free to play most of them are ALL the same .
so Game are infact Boaring because the whole point is to push out as many as the company can so they can make cash
and also as you grow older and realize the bullshit of life you figure out that videogame are videogame and if you onlly play them you will nver get anyware . your mind is trying to tell your body to get a job get a goal and get busy.
Gooshpoo- F.R.A.G. studios
I dont exactly disagree with the idea of "out growing" mmos since im not old enough to judge but i playing from the ultima and EQ days I can say that there hasnt been anything different for the past decade. Im only 22 but i started playing MMOS very young due to the shalowness of consoles and even moreso what consoles are today. Sure i work full time and just game whenever i have spare time and possibly the fact i hardly get out bothers me, but there is no motivation to do so for me. Every once in a great while there might be a great movie, but other than that I dont exactly enjoy smoking or drinking (while this isnt an excuse because the two dont need to be present for a social gathering) I dont find "going out" entertaining. Now the common exception is the girlfriend, but to most of you those vary depending on the girls personality.
My girlfriend loves TF2, absolutely loves MMOS even more, plays FFXI with me (currently the only mmo thats keeping me inerested) and trys at all the new mmo launches with me. We go shopping for clothing, games PC components (knows almost as much as me when it comes to computers and loves building them with me) and occasionally go to MLG, PAX and other events when shes not in college/work. Im not sure how many hours a week is considered "going out" but i find that im not as worse off as most people. Rambling aside, i think its a combination of post WoW mmos that have diluted and made the current market crap. Developers are usually (always, most of the time) more about what makes them more money = game that attracts more players = game thats more casual to attract a larger age audience = bland ripoffs of WoW. Heres to hoping GW2 and SWTOR change that.
What it is your usually missing is a game that rewarded you for you work, had a intersting crafting system, was about exploration and not smasing head face first on your keyboard till your max level. Post WoW Vanilla all the games have been like this. Most vets either joined the crowd or stayed playing a NOW poorly updated game or left altogether due to that miracle patch that "insert mmo title here" that attempted at the wow fix but wound up destroying the game all together. We have gathered here on the internet to fued, whine, moan and troll eachother due to the golden years of MMO gaming. Some of us continue to hope for a DAoC2 or a UO2, others became happy with a newer age mmo, or like myself FFXI's miracle patch (level cap increase and abyssea) did more good for the game than bad.
A lot of bads and trolls made it into the game but there is never a lack of interesting friends to be made and adventured with. I meet players in a abyssea party the night before and the next day ill meet again and talk to them as i almost know them in RL (no joke) which is why its nice to not have anything in the game instanced. In the end it could he either OP, id suggest maintain a healthy balance of MMOs and RL and keep looking for that MMO.
I'm 32, used to love MMORPGs but development went away from trying to design virtual worlds to designing virtual theme parks. I outgrew themeparks in 8'th grade, that is why I don't like MMORPGs.
I still love regular RPGs, but these MMORPGs today, I don't like at all.
-I think MMORPGs just outgrew needing my money.
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii.
--In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses.
--The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence!
--CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
Wow, I didn't agree with some of your other arguments and examples but this one, this is one hell of a point.
Awesome
Great point, I think, boredom, depression, I think just like hunger they're indeed all alerts and signs that your mind is giving that you need to take some action, something isn't right for you.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Yup pretty much what others have said. It just called growing up, and our nature to make something of ourselves. You will see videogames as a stress reliever and relaxant hobby rather than your core life and adrenaline rush now. I enjoy it personally. Its just part of life's journey
You are bored with games. You had your excitement, now you are looking to appease a higher level of excitement (your excitement level is now higher than before) so it takes much more to fill it up than it would have before. It's part of you growing up, and to deal with this there are two ways. You can take the long approach to actually control your thoughts and emotions. This would allow you to get scited when you want to, and control your boredom. You can also just move on. Choose one that you want to do. You can get more out of the first option, but you need to be mentally strong. If not, go for option B. Yes, these are options, for me I chose option 1. I avoid games with company history being sour, taking instead of giving to the people who support them. I pick and choose my games, my excitment meter is controlled. Unlike most that think they can't ever make some changes, it comes down to understanding psychology. Really, how hard is it to just think postively, ignore your negative emotions, and carefully think out the thoughts you want to think. Technically, we are lazy and let our subconcious do most of the work. in reality, we can spend our day thinking and planning what we want to do next. We can read a book to learn, do something fun and new, pick new things to like, new things to hate, go anywhere we want, freedom in it's finest. Some people think stuff is predertermined for the mind. the way we learn is mostly pre determined. Some people just make excuses for the same garbage they feel they can't control or change. If I can learn to play baseball and love it, I can do anything. Enough said, either you simply move on or change. You think you are getting old for a hobby you might enjoy. Pick now, do you want to change your lifestyle or do you want to evolve and adapt you current lifestyle? Big choices, but most people run away from these all their lives. Don't run, pick now but remember if you don't like the change you can always go back, or you can learn to enjoy the new change. Don't let your emotions rule you, instead think and control your emotions (though some geek will say you can't control your emotions, and for that I point to US Navy Seals, nuff said).
I struggle not with life, money, emotions, and world, but against old mindsets and selves to be proven obsolete in a age and time of rapid changes. Go create fun, so you can have fun.
Many gamers are maturing.Game developers and investors in the main reflect safe ...what was done yesterday decisions. GW2 I think is an exception to the above. Rift is a classic yesterday game. Gamers ..to have fun want what they haven't ALWAYS experienced. Thats frightening to all but a few game companys making mmog's.
Your getting older and getting over a past hobby. Im 18 and most games even bore me.
i think you meant 'excitement threshold', that someone isn't as quickly excited or amazed anymore than they were in their youth or as a kid
For the rest, your post was a great read, I agree with option 1. I think the whole secret is in expectation management and how good you are at it, and knowing yourself and what your specific needs are and how to appease them effectively, whether that's gaming or other interests and stuff in life.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Games are getting boring. I'm 25 and I still find fun in games, but only if they are somewhat different than the status quo. GW 1 (for me, you might be different) is currently fulfilling this for me. It's different, takes more strategy and it isn't just mindless button mashing (well sometimes). It's also nice to be limited to 8 skills instead of having 233460970928349832 skills to choose from. I left EQ2 because of that (when I left i had 12 hotbars)
(bold wouldn't turn off up there)
Anyway, I try to go back to EQ2 and I can't. I got max level in adventuring and tradeskill and I just can't do anymore. Sure, I could go raid and get phat loot, but meh...it's not really my thing anymore.
So maybe part of it is that you are getting older and your tastes are changing. I know when I was 17-18 I loved to raid and get awesome gear, but as I get older, my time gets more limited and my patience for repetition gets shorter, even if there is a little bit in GW1, it's tolerable to me because it doesn't seem like that.
So it's probably a little bit of both. I'm personally looking forward to GW2. I would consider SWTOR, but being a college student, my time and money is limited so I like to stick to one or two games, mostly ones that are B2P or F2P (like EQ2). If I had the money and time, I'd probably go sub to a different game, but for now this keeps me happy and entertained.
After all, isn't that what gaming is really all about?
Do you want some cheese with that whine?
Things were always better when you were younger.
Because... well...
1. Nostalgia makes things better.
2. You remember the good parts and not the bad parts.
3. The 'good parts' were new to you, and you weren't experienced enough to notice the 'bad parts'.
4. People's first exposure to something is fresh, naturally.
5. Everything new is compared to EVERYTHING you experienced before. As you get older, you have a bigger library of experiences to compare it against.
6. Many old people aren't good at having fun anymore. Have you ever watched a 3 year old amuse themselves with a stick for hours? Yeah. You probably lost that skill.
Just look at it this way. You're basically turning into your dad telling you that your taste in music is crap and derivative.
Perhaps. As we get older things change. I used to LOVE playing with action figures. I out grew it long ago.
I dont buy as many games as I used too. But I do buy them. I loved Red Dead Redemption for instance.
Games I will probably buy in the next 12 months? Rage, Batman Arkham City, Skyrim, and GW2.
And I probably wont purchase one single other game besides those. A game has to be exeptional to me for me to even consider a purchase anymore.
MMOs ARE pretty lame nowadays.
The innovation is largely gone and development costs (because of expectations) are much greater... and the market is much, much bigger.
It's kind of like cars....the first cars were a great step forward from horses... and imaginations would've figured we'd all have flying robot cars with lasers and whatnot by now.... instead we're driving fancier versions of the original cars.
Ok.. maybe not perfect, but it's something like that.
Shoot your ass out of a cannon 1 mile up into the air and land in a 200ft thick pile of marshmellows 4 hours a day for 7 years and even that will get boring eventually.
It is hard to say, it is easy to say you are bored with games, but imo, it is also true that most, if not all newer games lack the depth that older games had.
Sure you have plenty of time sinks, but things seem more cookie-cutter if it makes sense...
Harvesting, and crafting are more trivial in most games, not as much in the way of common/uncommon/rare/ultra rare type harvested stuff.
Games are more casual in nature, as is the majority of demand...But some of us actually like things that are not as casual. It seems that all that is left that is not super casual is raiding and maybe harder set dungeons (and some/many would say nothing is not casual anymore).
Worlds are often small, super railed quest hubs, grind dungeons for tokens/points, grind scenarios for the same......Which is fine, but their is not much out there, if you do not want to grind those things, no off the beaten path, no discovery/exploration...Things are too small and structured for the most part.
It cost more money to make a larger and detailed world, with things set up in them, name spawns, and it not to be bland...It is much easier to make something small/railed and then commit people to a grind to the smaller area.
I think game are worse, sure graphics are better, but when people ask others what games had the best aspects, they often site older games. The cynical will say that is when you were new to certain things and first loves...But the last game I really liked the design of was Vanguard, and I have been playing stuff before UO was released, thats a long time for first loves...So I discount that theory in my case.
UO - I have played off and on, best housing system still, if a 3d game could recreate this it would be spectacular, yes they may need housing zones like in VG, as to avoid what was happening in SWG, or UO before some limits on where you could place. Crafting was useful. I prefer the older UO though, I do not like the new skill systems/setups...I like some of the newer crafting stuff, but I prefer the older, pre copied continent content. I would seriously consider playing a classic relaunch, that would limit the progression, and then keep things in the classic mold, but still add content....Actually, I guarantee I would play and not mind paying for it in 2D, as I use the classic UI.
EQ - I really liked this game, and I played it a ton, liked the older aspects of it also, I disliked the newer LDoN style content, I am not a big instance fan. Some is ok, but it went way too far. Loved the classes, some dislike trinities and such, but it was amazing what you could do with a good Cleric/Tank/Enchanter in EQ.
DAoC - The RvRvR was great in this game, loved the sieges, they had growing pains, too much CC (which seems to still be a problem today, if not worse)...MY favorite RvRvR game. They also added some twists to make classes more unique, with having points to spend, making classes a little different. This game brought a lot to the table, I am hoping GW2's tri-server stuff will be great fun.
SWG - I didn't play it early on, I prefer fantasy mmos, but I really liked the game, it had balancing issues, issues with buffs being too strong, and it needed battlegrounds fixed and content, but the CU/NGE destroyed what it was. If they had tweaked/fixed and added stuff in the old mold, it would of been much better imo. It had a lot of design functions like UO, since the dev list for SWG looks like a lot of the UO crew...Good/useful crafting, maybe too complex of harvesting, but still very nice.
Vanguard - The classes were interesting, the world was huge, crafting/harvesting/diplomacy were good. Sure it had problems and unless you had a brand new gaming computer it killed your machine it seems....Even with one it could be a challenge. It had bugs ect.... The developers made a ton of areas, with most having some named mobs, multiple places and paths to level. I thought that the classes were fun and interesting, and the PvE was very good. Sony promised a relaunch that never happend...They are supposed to be giving it some love again. If they develop content for it again, and it gets the work it needs, I may go back and play. I played on the PvP server(s), would like to see that come back with some support, as the acknowledgement that they were not going to work on pvp stuff anymore, till pve stuff was good (that meant never to everyone playing pvp, so they quit to play AoC and ended up being the truth).
I like options when I play, I like to explore, harvest, craft, pve, and some pvp...I like having options, if I get tired of one thing for a bit, I can go do something else, and feel like it is worth it.....The problem in most newer games is it feels like it is not worth it to do anything but grind for gear or valor or something....I don't see the depth of rewarding/useful alternate play imo.
I am looking forward to swtor/gw2 and arche age atm
SWTOR - I will do a trial when/if they have it, but I am very skeptical of it, but I will try it. I don't think I will like the enhanced focus on voice-over stuff. I don't like it in most things I have played, but I am willing to be open minded, and I am always hoping to love something I play.
GW2 - I have not read a ton on it, as it is a ways off still, but I am interested in the tri-server warfronts, and I hope the rest of the game has depth, and that they do not make it pay to win in the end....I do not like f2p type systems for the most part, and I am hoping they can keep the b2p system working, to where they do not need to make it pay to win.
Arche Age - I like the ideas around it, but I have a bad feeling about it, maybe because some of it seems too good to be true....I will be checking it out though.
My most recent game was Rift, but it has many of the pitfalls, it is a good game for what it is, but I have lost interest once I hit 50 and the alternate play was not good imo.
I think the upcoming batch of MMO's will be the true testing ground.
If someone who says to be an MMO gamer is saying, after GW2, SWTOR, TSW, Arche Age, Firefall, Planetside 2, TERA, and World of Darkness have arrived that they're still bored with MMO's, then it's safe to conclude that the issue might lie for a considerable part with a person himself and how his own tastes and perception has changed.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I'm 28, exact same situation. I truely feel I've out-grown 'most' gaming. I do find Age of Empires Online entertaining. And I am waiting on a few select Xbox titles this year, but in the last few months, once I played and shortly after abandoned Rift, I've not really given much thought to MMOs.
I do have minor intentions of playing SWTOR (I have it pre-ordered) but I do not have high hopes for that 'gaming euphoria' that is certainly lacking these days.
It's true that I think you can just outgrow gaming. I think I'm there, and you know what? I seem to be happier for it since I've stopped gaming these last few months. I am feeling bored here and there, but doing things like jogging, SLEEPING like a normal person are all new concepts to do in my new 'game free' time.
So embrace it, maybe it's for the better.
Hey TSW Players http://www.unfair.co/ for Mission guides, Lore Locations and stuff....
I am also bored to death.Ive been through maple story for 2 yrs finally getting to 200 (sigh) Battle of the immortals, which is a total cash shop game now, uncharted waters(got bored when the farms came out),tried Rift,I thought it sucked.Tried forsaken world,sucked. My brother got me into 3rd person shooter recently. It was fine for 3 days,then I found I am not good with shooting and pvp, so I have left that. So now I am just free floating around.... The pc never had such a rest! lol Used to play 20/7 each day of the above games. Now it just sits quiet while I check my email.