You know why the original Star War Trilogy was so much better than the prequels? It's because you were 10 years old and everything is fucking awesome when you're 10 years old.
You've been there. You've done hat. And now you're no longer in the demographic that the game industry caters to. You aren't a surburban white boy between the ages of 14 and 25. It's not the games, it's you.
I've been trying to get this across for years, but it always falls on deaf ears. So here it is one more time. The games are the same brainless fun that they've always been. You've just gotten to old and jaded to participate.
You're quoting an absolutely wrong demographic for MMO's. FPS or Console games, sure 15-25..but MMO's, dead wrong.
The average WoW player is 30. Yup, 30 years old. The demographic for any good mmo is aiming much higher than what you're stating. And, sorry...too many games actually do suck...even my 13 year old son will tell you that.
can you elaberate on what games suck instead of stating the same thing all the time O_O?
The content of this thread is not to discuss specific games, it's to discuss the thought that as an older gamer that it's assumed that I think that games were better when I was younger. Again, anyone who played ET on the Atari 2600 would know that there were plenty of sucky games in the 80's, 90's, 00's and now '10's. I certainly won't go down the list. My point is that I disagree with the OP that games are judged based on one's age.
ah i agree my grandpa played games with me before he died so yeah i understand
Pinball machines had 3 balls and you had to earn yer extry. No one whined that the TOP SCORE WASN'T ACESSABLE BY ALL CLASSES! Ya got 3 mans, and 3 continues. If 9 didn't get ya there you had to look up cheats and ya didn't have a /ooc to spam begging for tips.
If you couldn't beat a boss you didn't blame the idiot on the other end of a telerfphone line either. Ya got your big brother to beat'em for ya, and then whined for the controller paddle back.
You young'uns and your memory cards and cloud storage too.
blargh!
I used to play MMOs like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee.
I thought that once. Then I realized, nope, they just suck. There is hope, as it is becoming quite obvious to the industry that they've been selling us junk as revenue and profit viability is DOWN.
To the caterpillar it is the end of the world, to the master, it is a butterfly.
Pinball machines had 3 balls and you had to earn yer extry. No one whined that the TOP SCORE WASN'T ACESSABLE BY ALL CLASSES! Ya got 3 mans, and 3 continues. If 9 didn't get ya there you had to look up cheats and ya didn't have a /ooc to spam begging for tips.
If you couldn't beat a boss you didn't blame the idiot on the other end of a telerfphone line either. Ya got your big brother to beat'em for ya, and then whined for the controller paddle back.
You young'uns and your memory cards and cloud storage too.
blargh!
lol my memory card is full please enter the password please :O.... jk but man thats was funny comment
I thought that once. Then I realized, nope, they just suck. There is hope, as it is becoming quite obvious to the industry that they've been selling us junk as revenue and profit viability is DOWN.
yep i kinda agree there i played everquest 1 was back in 1900 2000 but it was fun for awhile good old days
You're quoting an absolutely wrong demographic for MMO's. FPS or Console games, sure 15-25..but MMO's, dead wrong.
The average WoW player is 30. Yup, 30 years old. The demographic for any good mmo is aiming much higher than what you're stating. And, sorry...too many games actually do suck...even my 13 year old son will tell you that.
That picture just made my day. And made me a little bit sad as well.
I'm 37 and I spent my elementary years living in the fallout of the crash of 1983. My first computer was Tandy Color Computer 2 and my first console was an Atari 7800. Up until 1995, most of my gaming was done at the arcade. I bring all of this up because, unlike many of my friends, I never grew out of liking video games. Your picture reminds me that we can carry our hobbies over from childhood in goodness.
By that same token, I'm not a big MMO player. I see tons of potential in the genre, but I just can't get into them. A lot of MMO players came into gaming through UO, EQ, WoW and they don't share the same history or affection for all video games that I have. I'm not going to presume anything about you because I just don't know. But thos people around my age that dig MMOs, generally only play MMOs. This creates a kind of disconnect. Because I don't view modern MMOs as video games so much as fantasy themed slot machines linked to 3D chat rooms. They can be more than that, but most aren't.
Even so...
I think that most MMOs are still caught in the trap of marketing to adolescents boys and awkward nerdy twenty-somethings. Younger people aren't as experienced and that makes it easier to cater to their lower expectations. That isn't to say that there won't be a few diamonds that stand out for those of us who've been around for awhile, but we can't keep complaining that everything is shit and that every mass market product is a sign of the apocolypse.
The average game player is 37 years old and has been playing games for 12 years.
The average age of the most frequent game purchaser is 41 years old.
In my opinion, i disagree with you. I miss the games of yesteryear because they were DEEP, had DEPTH, and a story.
Great graphics weren't available then, so gamers had to get sucked into the STORY and GAMEPLAY, not the awesome graphics and OMGSHINY GIMMEGIMMEGIMME's simple gameplay of today.
Games then had storyline twists, up's and down's in the emotions of the games, made you WANT to play to see how it all ended, and the fights/puzzles/whatever were the entertainment along the way.
My two cents.
Let's play a game.
First, go to Metacritic and look at the top five games across the PC, XBox 360, Playstation 3, and Wii. Or just pick the top one from each platform. Let's break this down with the number one game from each plaform:
Xbox 360 = Deus Ex: Human Revolution
PC = Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Playstation 3 = Limbo
Wii = Bit. Trip Complete
Wow, looks like PS3 and Wii owners are kind of artsy and esoteric....
... But let's continue.
Go check out the Deus Ex: Human Revolution trailer at Gametrailers. Now ask yourself: Who is his trailer made for? Who is the target audience for this ad? Rinse and repeat for any high profile title.
I'm not saying that there are no games made for an older demographic. Or that there are standout games that break with genre conventions. What I'm saying is That, by and large, the game industry is geared toward selling content for boys in thier parent's basement. Sure, we get an occassional Sword of The Stars 2 or E.Y.E. Divine Cybermancy. But those games are NOT the bread and butter of the games industry.
The complaints about game quality from older gamers has more to do with how genre savvy they are and less to do with the quality of the games in regard to their target audience. You don't like most of the new games out there, because those games were not made for you.
BTW, the reason why the most frequent purchasers of games are aged 41 and over is because most people in that age group have kids. The kids don't make money, so mom and dad have to buy their games. A vast majority of those forty-somethings that are purchasing games, are either not playing them or so casual that they don't even consider themselves gamers.
Ok, i'll play.
Let's look at Deus ex, as i have actually played and loved this game.
Whats the ESRB rating on it? M. M means Mature= For Adults/Adult Themed.
I'll let it go that the statistics i posted say 41 year olds buy games. You say its for their kids. its an opinion, so i'll have to respect that.
Now just up a number. THE AVERAGE AGE OF A GAMER, not the youngest or oldest, but right in between ((Which is where games would want their target audience to be, yes?) is 37. thats a fact/statistic.
So what put Deus ex at the top of the charts?
It has Depth, it has an engaging Story, makes you WANT to finish it to see what happens next, it has customization through the roof and down the side of it, and it wraps all that in a pretty package. Other games that dont do so well LACK those things, or a combination of them
In my opinion, games suck because there's nothing to them. If i can beat a game in 6-8 hours, on my first playthrough, its a shit game. Even deus ex kinda failed in my eyes on this, even saying i love it, they took what, 60 hours of play outta it to pack it together in the final release? Fuck That, bring back the old days of 3 or 4 disks, and give it all to me.
Finally, if you've been preaching this goodness for years and no one listens, perhaps Everyone isnt wrong. just saying.
You know why the original Star War Trilogy was so much better than the prequels? It's because you were 10 years old and everything is fucking awesome when you're 10 years old.
I have a little test for you. Easy really.
Describe the following Characters from The old and new Star Wars in one simple sentence:
Princess Leia:
Han Solo:
Queen Amidala:
Qui-Gon Jinn:
Now you know why Episode 1-3 are the worst films ever made. They have no depth, no character development and no Story that makes sense at all.
Same with games, they are just as bad and shallow as these movies.
lol wow you so used to the new generation never understand star wars i feel sad for you its old yes but its still awsome to those who like it. if you dont like it why you post this dumb sentence. if you dont get off your lazy but get a book and read up on the characters instead of asking this weired question :P.
Hey Shinobi, I am not sure how to tell you this, but the poster you quoted and made fun of apparently knows more about Star Wars than you do.
The original trilogy of movies (IE Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, The Return of the Jedi) were presented as Episodes 4, 5 and 6 respectively.
The second trilogy (the one with Natalie Portman as Luke and Leia's mother) was Episodes 1, 2 & 3.
[EDIT: removed this line as it was condescending. Don't mean to be a prick, apologies to Shinobi.]
Taus01 is saying that the characters of the first series were more engaging and had more depth than the ones that were central to the second trilogy. (Taus, feel free to step in and correct me if I am wrong.)
Personally, I liked quite a few characters in Episodes 1-3 (the second, more recent trilogy) but the way that Anakin Skywalker was presented turned me off and Jar-Jar binks made me want to puke.
As far as games go, I am 41 and intend to play them until I am dead. I may no longer be playing FPS or RTS games at that time, but I won't badmouth them just because my reflexes won't be good enough for me to personally enjoy them.
yeah i completey agree with you there star wars got all blown up on me at first when i first say the movies when i was 6. then empire strikes back then the other star wars movies O_O. heck i still get confused because i dont know who darth vader father is O_O. It like the missing parts of it. Then you have star wars old republic they going back again to explain the begining of the sith wars with the jedi wow
Let's look at Deus ex, as i have actually played and loved this game.
Whats the ESRB rating on it? M. M means Mature= For Adults/Adult Themed.
I'll let it go that the statistics i posted say 41 year olds buy games. You say its for their kids. its an opinion, so i'll have to respect that.
Now just up a number. THE AVERAGE AGE OF A GAMER, not the youngest or oldest, but right in between ((Which is where games would want their target audience to be, yes?) is 37. thats a fact/statistic.
So what put Deus ex at the top of the charts?
It has Depth, it has an engaging Story, makes you WANT to finish it to see what happens next, it has customization through the roof and down the side of it, and it wraps all that in a pretty package. Other games that dont do so well LACK those things, or a combination of them
In my opinion, games suck because there's nothing to them. If i can beat a game in 6-8 hours, on my first playthrough, its a shit game. Even deus ex kinda failed in my eyes on this, even saying i love it, they took what, 60 hours of play outta it to pack it together in the final release? Fuck That, bring back the old days of 3 or 4 disks, and give it all to me.
Finally, if you've been preaching this goodness for years and no one listens, perhaps Everyone isnt wrong. just saying.
my two cents
Short answers:
Rated M holds as much weight as an R rating on a film. There are plenty of cases of "mature" rated movies and music that were audience tested with subjects much lower than the rating would imply. Gaming isn't really any different in this regard. Also note that M is only 17 and up. You must have watched some different trailers because the ones I saw were pushing to the drunken fratboy crowd. Given Deus Ex: HE wasn't as blatantly targeted as Gears of War or any Call of Duty game, but the marketing definitely had the college kid vibe to it.
How many fucking hours do you spend playing games? I have a wife and a full time job and I'm lucky if I get two hours a night to play. Even on weekends I'll be fortunate to get a four hour block of time to dedicate. . . That's over the entire weekend! This is the main reason why I stick to multiplayer games since I can do a round or two in twenty minutes. A six to eight hour game is two, three, or more nights of entertainment for me. That's the main reason why I own an XBox 360, so that I can rent shorter games rather than buy them.
Finally, everyone isn't exactly right either. The internet is a cesspool of negativity and any time you try to suggest that the sky ISN'T falling, you're generally slamming your head against the wall.
Age or how long you've been gaming has nothing to do with piss-poorly made games.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
Let's look at Deus ex, as i have actually played and loved this game.
Whats the ESRB rating on it? M. M means Mature= For Adults/Adult Themed.
I'll let it go that the statistics i posted say 41 year olds buy games. You say its for their kids. its an opinion, so i'll have to respect that.
Now just up a number. THE AVERAGE AGE OF A GAMER, not the youngest or oldest, but right in between ((Which is where games would want their target audience to be, yes?) is 37. thats a fact/statistic.
So what put Deus ex at the top of the charts?
It has Depth, it has an engaging Story, makes you WANT to finish it to see what happens next, it has customization through the roof and down the side of it, and it wraps all that in a pretty package. Other games that dont do so well LACK those things, or a combination of them
In my opinion, games suck because there's nothing to them. If i can beat a game in 6-8 hours, on my first playthrough, its a shit game. Even deus ex kinda failed in my eyes on this, even saying i love it, they took what, 60 hours of play outta it to pack it together in the final release? Fuck That, bring back the old days of 3 or 4 disks, and give it all to me.
Finally, if you've been preaching this goodness for years and no one listens, perhaps Everyone isnt wrong. just saying.
my two cents
Short answers:
Rated M holds as much weight as an R rating on a film. There are plenty of cases of "mature" rated movies and music that were audience tested with subjects much lower than the rating would imply. Gaming isn't really any different in this regard. Also note that M is only 17 and up. You must have watched some different trailers because the ones I saw were pushing to the drunken fratboy crowd. Given Deus Ex: HE wasn't as blatantly targeted as Gears of War or any Call of Duty game, but the marketing definitely had the college kid vibe to it.
How many fucking hours do you spend playing games? I have a wife and a full time job and I'm lucky if I get two hours a night to play. Even on weekends I'll be fortunate to get a four hour block of time to dedicate. . . That's over the entire weekend! This is the main reason why I stick to multiplayer games since I can do a round or two in twenty minutes. A six to eight hour game is two, three, or more nights of entertainment for me. That's the main reason why I own an XBox 360, so that I can rent shorter games rather than buy them.
Finally, everyone isn't exactly right either. The internet is a cesspool of negativity and any time you try to suggest that the sky ISN'T falling, you're generally slamming your head against the wall.
wow i broke my head against the wall ^_^ care to repair it i pay you
You know why the original Star War Trilogy was so much better than the prequels? It's because you were 10 years old and everything is fucking awesome when you're 10 years old.
You've been there. You've done hat. And now you're no longer in the demographic that the game industry caters to. You aren't a surburban white boy between the ages of 14 and 25. It's not the games, it's you.
I've been trying to get this across for years, but it always falls on deaf ears. So here it is one more time. The games are the same brainless fun that they've always been. You've just gotten to old and jaded to participate.
DUDE, I challenge you to post that in a big Star Wars fan forum. Show us how far that gets and what kind of replies come in. Saying that the Prequels are inferior to the Original Trilogy "because you were 10 years old and everything is fucking awesome when you're 10 years old?"
Hell, in the SWTOR forum on this site, someone made a thread asking what peoples' thoughts were as to what the best SW film there was. ESB came out in the lead by far, with ANH making a very good showing.
There's a reason... actually, many reasons... that ANH and ESB rank well by fans as well as the critics, not to mention movie-making history.
I mean, people *still* talk fondly of ANH and ESB after 30+ years after their release. Where's the fondness of fans for ANY of the Prequels a mear 6 years after the last RotS? Nowhere. Because none of the Prequels deserve being anywhere near the pedestals of the Original Trilogy.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
I'm too old for the demographics, I know it. We have 3 and they're all through college. I've been computer gaming since the mid-70s, started with Adventure on a DEC PDP-10 mainframe.
I like gaming. I don't let being older stop me. I just pick and chose from what's out there to what fits with my tastes.
Ken Fisher - Semi retired old fart Network Administrator, now working in Network Security. I don't Forum PVP. If you feel I've attacked you, it was probably by accident. When I don't understand, I ask. Such is not intended as criticism.
Let's look at Deus ex, as i have actually played and loved this game.
Whats the ESRB rating on it? M. M means Mature= For Adults/Adult Themed.
I'll let it go that the statistics i posted say 41 year olds buy games. You say its for their kids. its an opinion, so i'll have to respect that.
Now just up a number. THE AVERAGE AGE OF A GAMER, not the youngest or oldest, but right in between ((Which is where games would want their target audience to be, yes?) is 37. thats a fact/statistic.
So what put Deus ex at the top of the charts?
It has Depth, it has an engaging Story, makes you WANT to finish it to see what happens next, it has customization through the roof and down the side of it, and it wraps all that in a pretty package. Other games that dont do so well LACK those things, or a combination of them
In my opinion, games suck because there's nothing to them. If i can beat a game in 6-8 hours, on my first playthrough, its a shit game. Even deus ex kinda failed in my eyes on this, even saying i love it, they took what, 60 hours of play outta it to pack it together in the final release? Fuck That, bring back the old days of 3 or 4 disks, and give it all to me.
Finally, if you've been preaching this goodness for years and no one listens, perhaps Everyone isnt wrong. just saying.
my two cents
Short answers:
Rated M holds as much weight as an R rating on a film. There are plenty of cases of "mature" rated movies and music that were audience tested with subjects much lower than the rating would imply. Gaming isn't really any different in this regard. Also note that M is only 17 and up. You must have watched some different trailers because the ones I saw were pushing to the drunken fratboy crowd. Given Deus Ex: HE wasn't as blatantly targeted as Gears of War or any Call of Duty game, but the marketing definitely had the college kid vibe to it.
How many fucking hours do you spend playing games? I have a wife and a full time job and I'm lucky if I get two hours a night to play. Even on weekends I'll be fortunate to get a four hour block of time to dedicate. . . That's over the entire weekend! This is the main reason why I stick to multiplayer games since I can do a round or two in twenty minutes. A six to eight hour game is two, three, or more nights of entertainment for me. That's the main reason why I own an XBox 360, so that I can rent shorter games rather than buy them.
Finally, everyone isn't exactly right either. The internet is a cesspool of negativity and any time you try to suggest that the sky ISN'T falling, you're generally slamming your head against the wall.
wow i broke my head against the wall ^_^ care to repair it i pay you
Gunna respond to this as i've said my side of the arguement, and you've said your's, we're not going to agree, so we'll leave it at that hm?
I spend about 2-3 hours a night gaming. i have a Full time job, a wife, and a newborn child. I dont hate multiplayer, but its certainly not my bag either. STILL I would rather have a full fledged 60+ hour game. no question about it. We used to get 60-80+ hour games, now we get 6-8, and pay MORE for them than we did with the 80+ hour ones. add in DLC and all that jazz and its even more. its not OUR fault games suck these days. my two cents
Edit: i take abit of that back, it actually is our fault because we keep buying these POS games. so blame is due on us aswell
Gunna respond to this as i've said my side of the arguement, and you've said your's, we're not going to agree, so we'll leave it at that hm?
I spend about 2-3 hours a night gaming. i have a Full time job, a wife, and a newborn child. I dont hate multiplayer, but its certainly not my bag either. STILL I would rather have a full fledged 60+ hour game. no question about it. We used to get 60-80+ hour games, now we get 6-8, and pay MORE for them than we did with the 80+ hour ones. add in DLC and all that jazz and its even more. its not OUR fault games suck these days. my two cents
Edit: i take abit of that back, it actually is our fault because we keep buying these POS games. so blame is due on us aswell
First, I want to clear up a misunderstanding. I never said that I hated multiplayer. I said that I play games like League of Legends, Team Fortress 2, and Super Street Fighter 4 specifically because I don't have a lot of time to spend gaming.
Next, you must have cut teeth on the PSOne. Back in my day (*cough* NES *cough*) an RPG would last you about twenty hours. On the minicomputers of the day you could get hundreds of hours, but that's only because the last few dungeons were designed to be unreasonably difficult. See also the final dungeon in Bard's Tale (Commodore 64 version) or the last dungeon of Phantasy Star for the Sega Master System. Keep in mind that this was mostly artificial difficulty.
Again. The games weren't any better, in many ways they were actually worse, you were just less savvy about gaming. And now when you look back, you remember those games through the lens of your younger self. At the time, older gamers were calling you an idiot for thinking that FF7 was anything other than a bloated piece of shit. I know. I remember reading forum posts about it back in 1997.
Let's look at Deus ex, as i have actually played and loved this game.
Whats the ESRB rating on it? M. M means Mature= For Adults/Adult Themed.
I'll let it go that the statistics i posted say 41 year olds buy games. You say its for their kids. its an opinion, so i'll have to respect that.
Now just up a number. THE AVERAGE AGE OF A GAMER, not the youngest or oldest, but right in between ((Which is where games would want their target audience to be, yes?) is 37. thats a fact/statistic.
So what put Deus ex at the top of the charts?
It has Depth, it has an engaging Story, makes you WANT to finish it to see what happens next, it has customization through the roof and down the side of it, and it wraps all that in a pretty package. Other games that dont do so well LACK those things, or a combination of them
In my opinion, games suck because there's nothing to them. If i can beat a game in 6-8 hours, on my first playthrough, its a shit game. Even deus ex kinda failed in my eyes on this, even saying i love it, they took what, 60 hours of play outta it to pack it together in the final release? Fuck That, bring back the old days of 3 or 4 disks, and give it all to me.
Finally, if you've been preaching this goodness for years and no one listens, perhaps Everyone isnt wrong. just saying.
my two cents
Short answers:
Rated M holds as much weight as an R rating on a film. There are plenty of cases of "mature" rated movies and music that were audience tested with subjects much lower than the rating would imply. Gaming isn't really any different in this regard. Also note that M is only 17 and up. You must have watched some different trailers because the ones I saw were pushing to the drunken fratboy crowd. Given Deus Ex: HE wasn't as blatantly targeted as Gears of War or any Call of Duty game, but the marketing definitely had the college kid vibe to it.
How many fucking hours do you spend playing games? I have a wife and a full time job and I'm lucky if I get two hours a night to play. Even on weekends I'll be fortunate to get a four hour block of time to dedicate. . . That's over the entire weekend! This is the main reason why I stick to multiplayer games since I can do a round or two in twenty minutes. A six to eight hour game is two, three, or more nights of entertainment for me. That's the main reason why I own an XBox 360, so that I can rent shorter games rather than buy them.
Finally, everyone isn't exactly right either. The internet is a cesspool of negativity and any time you try to suggest that the sky ISN'T falling, you're generally slamming your head against the wall.
wow i broke my head against the wall ^_^ care to repair it i pay you
Gunna respond to this as i've said my side of the arguement, and you've said your's, we're not going to agree, so we'll leave it at that hm?
I spend about 2-3 hours a night gaming. i have a Full time job, a wife, and a newborn child. I dont hate multiplayer, but its certainly not my bag either. STILL I would rather have a full fledged 60+ hour game. no question about it. We used to get 60-80+ hour games, now we get 6-8, and pay MORE for them than we did with the 80+ hour ones. add in DLC and all that jazz and its even more. its not OUR fault games suck these days. my two cents
Edit: i take abit of that back, it actually is our fault because we keep buying these POS games. so blame is due on us aswell
this is why so many are eager for Skyrim's release as it isnt a 6-8 hour eye candy one handed shuffle, there is still games that are released that arnt as you describe, I think this is a classic example of the overly internet negativity previously mentioned....See what I did there....
WoW just WoW go to a SW forum and post the reason why you think episode 1 - 3 were disgraceful compared to the real ones. I'd advice you covering a big antiflamewall SW fans will flame you away in no time and rightfully so.
Wanna know why games nowadays suck? Cause of sweatshop companies buying former great companies bleeding them out and once they are done, the studio gets canceled.
Games nowadays are short, braindead and some more like an interactive movie instead of real games. Years ago I really loved the FPS genre but at some point the market became overblown with FPS games. Yet while still nice the dumb down began I mean duck = healing? Thats just so stupid thanks to Halo. Oh yes and all this stupid achievement crap started.
RPGs on the other hand got dumbed down towards to the lowest common denominator and console kids.
The main reason why games these days suck are suits running sweatshop companies and not game developers are the ones who make them. If you don't have passion you wont succeed simple as that.
We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!
"Everything you're bitching about is wrong. People don't have the time to invest in corpse runs, impossible zones, or long winded quests. Sometimes, they just want to pop on and play." "Then maybe MMORPGs aren't for you."
You know why the original Star War Trilogy was so much better than the prequels? It's because you were 10 years old and everything is fucking awesome when you're 10 years old.
You've been there. You've done hat. And now you're no longer in the demographic that the game industry caters to. You aren't a surburban white boy between the ages of 14 and 25. It's not the games, it's you.
I've been trying to get this across for years, but it always falls on deaf ears. So here it is one more time. The games are the same brainless fun that they've always been. You've just gotten to old and jaded to participate.
You're quoting an absolutely wrong demographic for MMO's. FPS or Console games, sure 15-25..but MMO's, dead wrong.
The average WoW player is 30. Yup, 30 years old. The demographic for any good mmo is aiming much higher than what you're stating. And, sorry...too many games actually do suck...even my 13 year old son will tell you that.
This woman is knitting while playing WoW. This is all sorts of epic.
She's CRAFTING! Outside of WoW. I dont even know what to say.......
Let's look at Deus ex, as i have actually played and loved this game.
Whats the ESRB rating on it? M. M means Mature= For Adults/Adult Themed.
I'll let it go that the statistics i posted say 41 year olds buy games. You say its for their kids. its an opinion, so i'll have to respect that.
Now just up a number. THE AVERAGE AGE OF A GAMER, not the youngest or oldest, but right in between ((Which is where games would want their target audience to be, yes?) is 37. thats a fact/statistic.
So what put Deus ex at the top of the charts?
It has Depth, it has an engaging Story, makes you WANT to finish it to see what happens next, it has customization through the roof and down the side of it, and it wraps all that in a pretty package. Other games that dont do so well LACK those things, or a combination of them
In my opinion, games suck because there's nothing to them. If i can beat a game in 6-8 hours, on my first playthrough, its a shit game. Even deus ex kinda failed in my eyes on this, even saying i love it, they took what, 60 hours of play outta it to pack it together in the final release? Fuck That, bring back the old days of 3 or 4 disks, and give it all to me.
Finally, if you've been preaching this goodness for years and no one listens, perhaps Everyone isnt wrong. just saying.
my two cents
You also have to present the demographics of the age groups with your statistics. What genre's are they playing? For all we know, they could be stats based on browser based casual mini-games. Are these games being bought by 37 years olds for their 16 -17 years old kids?
Are those WOW stats? I mean what stats are you presenting here?
The bulk of Hardcore game development today is in the console market. I want to correct a misconception here, a law stating minors can not purchase M rated games, is not a law saying 16-17 years olds can not play those games, that is a decision left to parents. Most console games of an M rating are purchased by parents who approve of their kids playing this stuff.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
i don't understand the point of the thread (or most of the replies).
this is an MMORPG site, and the OP is speaking of games in general. there are still many good games out, games being made, and games put out in recent years, however, i'm not really thinking of any MMO's when i say that. and many oldschool MMo'ers, obviously, don't think too hot of the genre's current state either. that is not to say that gamers world-wide would agree that 'games suck now'. to the contrary, non-MMO's are continung to evolve as they always have. and even though 'console-gameing' is frowned on by so many MMO'ers, it is a far bigger genre, and people really aren't as unhappy as some on this website would want you to think.
a good game is something you can enjoy when it's new, and still retain value afterwards. Non-mmo games are not designed to be played for years on end. most games are meant to be enjoyed for a month or so, set to the side, and picked back up again when the gamer gets the drive to re-play it. there is nothing wrong with this system.
just because a game is not meant to be played non-stop for years, does not make it a bad game.
MMORPGs? well, that is a different story entirely. considering you never 'own' any MMO you play, the time you 'rent space on the server' should be entertaining and long-lived.
of course, this is off-topic. the thread is about 'games in general, and how people get old and stop likeing them'. sure there is truth to that, but not enough for it to be a rule, and by far, not enough to convince me that Ep 1-3 were any good.
and no. not everything is 'awesome' when you are 10. maybe, the op just had a sheltered and spolied childhood.
Its the same idea with movies. If we see something that is similar to a previously released movie we wont find it interesting becuase it is the same. From our past experience we get used to a certain idea and we then want something else to entertain us. For some even the same plot in movies they might be interesting becuase the characters have different lines, while for others the same structure or plot is a terrible thing to watch all over again.
So I agree with the OP, and there are some who would watch a similar movie while others would consider it a rip off and a waste of time.
So those who are against the OP, dont think the OP is wrong, he is implying for some why they are bored, and even then the reasons may vary and not be becuase of thier past experiences with games.
For example when I play a game, I use something that I have enjoyed in the past as a reference as what I look for in the game. It is normally made easier with the same company offering something quite similar. However, even with the same company when they try to innovate thier games I can be dissapointed by the change by not seeing what I have previously enjoyed.
If however, I was new to gaming and I began only playing the newly released game which I was dissapointed in previously, I would not be in this hypotheical situation of never playing before since I do not have reference of a previous better example to compare it too.
So OP is right that past experience is a factor, but it does not apply to everyone since some are happy playing all games, or does not apply to even for the reasons that they might be dissapointed in a game since they could be disaapointed in something completely new, and a new genre of gaming which does not fit the category of past experiences to be dissapointed with.
Write bad things that are done to you in sand, but write the good things that happen to you on a piece of marble
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ah i agree my grandpa played games with me before he died
so yeah i understand
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When I was a kid we had real games!
Pinball machines had 3 balls and you had to earn yer extry. No one whined that the TOP SCORE WASN'T ACESSABLE BY ALL CLASSES! Ya got 3 mans, and 3 continues. If 9 didn't get ya there you had to look up cheats and ya didn't have a /ooc to spam begging for tips.
If you couldn't beat a boss you didn't blame the idiot on the other end of a telerfphone line either. Ya got your big brother to beat'em for ya, and then whined for the controller paddle back.
You young'uns and your memory cards and cloud storage too.
blargh!
I used to play MMOs like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee.
I thought that once. Then I realized, nope, they just suck. There is hope, as it is becoming quite obvious to the industry that they've been selling us junk as revenue and profit viability is DOWN.
To the caterpillar it is the end of the world, to the master, it is a butterfly.
lol my memory card is full please enter the password please :O.... jk but man thats was funny comment
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yep i kinda agree there i played everquest 1 was back in 1900 2000 but it was fun for awhile good old days
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That picture just made my day. And made me a little bit sad as well.
I'm 37 and I spent my elementary years living in the fallout of the crash of 1983. My first computer was Tandy Color Computer 2 and my first console was an Atari 7800. Up until 1995, most of my gaming was done at the arcade. I bring all of this up because, unlike many of my friends, I never grew out of liking video games. Your picture reminds me that we can carry our hobbies over from childhood in goodness.
By that same token, I'm not a big MMO player. I see tons of potential in the genre, but I just can't get into them. A lot of MMO players came into gaming through UO, EQ, WoW and they don't share the same history or affection for all video games that I have. I'm not going to presume anything about you because I just don't know. But thos people around my age that dig MMOs, generally only play MMOs. This creates a kind of disconnect. Because I don't view modern MMOs as video games so much as fantasy themed slot machines linked to 3D chat rooms. They can be more than that, but most aren't.
Even so...
I think that most MMOs are still caught in the trap of marketing to adolescents boys and awkward nerdy twenty-somethings. Younger people aren't as experienced and that makes it easier to cater to their lower expectations. That isn't to say that there won't be a few diamonds that stand out for those of us who've been around for awhile, but we can't keep complaining that everything is shit and that every mass market product is a sign of the apocolypse.
Ok, i'll play.
Let's look at Deus ex, as i have actually played and loved this game.
Whats the ESRB rating on it? M. M means Mature= For Adults/Adult Themed.
I'll let it go that the statistics i posted say 41 year olds buy games. You say its for their kids. its an opinion, so i'll have to respect that.
Now just up a number. THE AVERAGE AGE OF A GAMER, not the youngest or oldest, but right in between ((Which is where games would want their target audience to be, yes?) is 37. thats a fact/statistic.
So what put Deus ex at the top of the charts?
It has Depth, it has an engaging Story, makes you WANT to finish it to see what happens next, it has customization through the roof and down the side of it, and it wraps all that in a pretty package. Other games that dont do so well LACK those things, or a combination of them
In my opinion, games suck because there's nothing to them. If i can beat a game in 6-8 hours, on my first playthrough, its a shit game. Even deus ex kinda failed in my eyes on this, even saying i love it, they took what, 60 hours of play outta it to pack it together in the final release? Fuck That, bring back the old days of 3 or 4 disks, and give it all to me.
Finally, if you've been preaching this goodness for years and no one listens, perhaps Everyone isnt wrong. just saying.
my two cents
The Deep Web is sca-ry.
yeah i completey agree with you there star wars got all blown up on me at first when i first say the movies when i was 6. then empire strikes back then the other star wars movies O_O. heck i still get confused because i dont know who darth vader father is O_O. It like the missing parts of it. Then you have star wars old republic they going back again to explain the begining of the sith wars with the jedi
wow
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http://www.youtube.com/user/RedLetterMedia#p/u/2/FxKtZmQgxrI
Hahaha....you win sir. I love those videos. Red Letter has it right. So very right. And its so very sad at the same time.
Short answers:
Rated M holds as much weight as an R rating on a film. There are plenty of cases of "mature" rated movies and music that were audience tested with subjects much lower than the rating would imply. Gaming isn't really any different in this regard. Also note that M is only 17 and up. You must have watched some different trailers because the ones I saw were pushing to the drunken fratboy crowd. Given Deus Ex: HE wasn't as blatantly targeted as Gears of War or any Call of Duty game, but the marketing definitely had the college kid vibe to it.
How many fucking hours do you spend playing games? I have a wife and a full time job and I'm lucky if I get two hours a night to play. Even on weekends I'll be fortunate to get a four hour block of time to dedicate. . . That's over the entire weekend! This is the main reason why I stick to multiplayer games since I can do a round or two in twenty minutes. A six to eight hour game is two, three, or more nights of entertainment for me. That's the main reason why I own an XBox 360, so that I can rent shorter games rather than buy them.
Finally, everyone isn't exactly right either. The internet is a cesspool of negativity and any time you try to suggest that the sky ISN'T falling, you're generally slamming your head against the wall.
Age or how long you've been gaming has nothing to do with piss-poorly made games.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
wow i broke my head against the wall ^_^ care to repair it
i pay you
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DUDE, I challenge you to post that in a big Star Wars fan forum. Show us how far that gets and what kind of replies come in. Saying that the Prequels are inferior to the Original Trilogy "because you were 10 years old and everything is fucking awesome when you're 10 years old?"
Hell, in the SWTOR forum on this site, someone made a thread asking what peoples' thoughts were as to what the best SW film there was. ESB came out in the lead by far, with ANH making a very good showing.
There's a reason... actually, many reasons... that ANH and ESB rank well by fans as well as the critics, not to mention movie-making history.
I mean, people *still* talk fondly of ANH and ESB after 30+ years after their release. Where's the fondness of fans for ANY of the Prequels a mear 6 years after the last RotS? Nowhere. Because none of the Prequels deserve being anywhere near the pedestals of the Original Trilogy.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
I'm too old for the demographics, I know it. We have 3 and they're all through college. I've been computer gaming since the mid-70s, started with Adventure on a DEC PDP-10 mainframe.
I like gaming. I don't let being older stop me. I just pick and chose from what's out there to what fits with my tastes.
Gunna respond to this as i've said my side of the arguement, and you've said your's, we're not going to agree, so we'll leave it at that hm?
I spend about 2-3 hours a night gaming. i have a Full time job, a wife, and a newborn child. I dont hate multiplayer, but its certainly not my bag either. STILL I would rather have a full fledged 60+ hour game. no question about it. We used to get 60-80+ hour games, now we get 6-8, and pay MORE for them than we did with the 80+ hour ones. add in DLC and all that jazz and its even more. its not OUR fault games suck these days. my two cents
Edit: i take abit of that back, it actually is our fault because we keep buying these POS games. so blame is due on us aswell
The Deep Web is sca-ry.
First, I want to clear up a misunderstanding. I never said that I hated multiplayer. I said that I play games like League of Legends, Team Fortress 2, and Super Street Fighter 4 specifically because I don't have a lot of time to spend gaming.
Next, you must have cut teeth on the PSOne. Back in my day (*cough* NES *cough*) an RPG would last you about twenty hours. On the minicomputers of the day you could get hundreds of hours, but that's only because the last few dungeons were designed to be unreasonably difficult. See also the final dungeon in Bard's Tale (Commodore 64 version) or the last dungeon of Phantasy Star for the Sega Master System. Keep in mind that this was mostly artificial difficulty.
Again. The games weren't any better, in many ways they were actually worse, you were just less savvy about gaming. And now when you look back, you remember those games through the lens of your younger self. At the time, older gamers were calling you an idiot for thinking that FF7 was anything other than a bloated piece of shit. I know. I remember reading forum posts about it back in 1997.
The games change, but the song stays the same.
this is why so many are eager for Skyrim's release as it isnt a 6-8 hour eye candy one handed shuffle, there is still games that are released that arnt as you describe, I think this is a classic example of the overly internet negativity previously mentioned....See what I did there....
WoW just WoW go to a SW forum and post the reason why you think episode 1 - 3 were disgraceful compared to the real ones. I'd advice you covering a big antiflamewall SW fans will flame you away in no time and rightfully so.
Wanna know why games nowadays suck? Cause of sweatshop companies buying former great companies bleeding them out and once they are done, the studio gets canceled.
Games nowadays are short, braindead and some more like an interactive movie instead of real games. Years ago I really loved the FPS genre but at some point the market became overblown with FPS games. Yet while still nice the dumb down began I mean duck = healing? Thats just so stupid thanks to Halo. Oh yes and all this stupid achievement crap started.
RPGs on the other hand got dumbed down towards to the lowest common denominator and console kids.
The main reason why games these days suck are suits running sweatshop companies and not game developers are the ones who make them. If you don't have passion you wont succeed simple as that.
We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!
"Everything you're bitching about is wrong. People don't have the time to invest in corpse runs, impossible zones, or long winded quests. Sometimes, they just want to pop on and play."
"Then maybe MMORPGs aren't for you."
This woman is knitting while playing WoW. This is all sorts of epic.
She's CRAFTING! Outside of WoW. I dont even know what to say.......
Games DO suck, you're just a sucker buying bad ones.
You also have to present the demographics of the age groups with your statistics. What genre's are they playing? For all we know, they could be stats based on browser based casual mini-games. Are these games being bought by 37 years olds for their 16 -17 years old kids?
Are those WOW stats? I mean what stats are you presenting here?
The bulk of Hardcore game development today is in the console market. I want to correct a misconception here, a law stating minors can not purchase M rated games, is not a law saying 16-17 years olds can not play those games, that is a decision left to parents. Most console games of an M rating are purchased by parents who approve of their kids playing this stuff.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
i don't understand the point of the thread (or most of the replies).
this is an MMORPG site, and the OP is speaking of games in general. there are still many good games out, games being made, and games put out in recent years, however, i'm not really thinking of any MMO's when i say that. and many oldschool MMo'ers, obviously, don't think too hot of the genre's current state either. that is not to say that gamers world-wide would agree that 'games suck now'. to the contrary, non-MMO's are continung to evolve as they always have. and even though 'console-gameing' is frowned on by so many MMO'ers, it is a far bigger genre, and people really aren't as unhappy as some on this website would want you to think.
a good game is something you can enjoy when it's new, and still retain value afterwards. Non-mmo games are not designed to be played for years on end. most games are meant to be enjoyed for a month or so, set to the side, and picked back up again when the gamer gets the drive to re-play it. there is nothing wrong with this system.
just because a game is not meant to be played non-stop for years, does not make it a bad game.
MMORPGs? well, that is a different story entirely. considering you never 'own' any MMO you play, the time you 'rent space on the server' should be entertaining and long-lived.
of course, this is off-topic. the thread is about 'games in general, and how people get old and stop likeing them'. sure there is truth to that, but not enough for it to be a rule, and by far, not enough to convince me that Ep 1-3 were any good.
and no. not everything is 'awesome' when you are 10. maybe, the op just had a sheltered and spolied childhood.
Its the same idea with movies. If we see something that is similar to a previously released movie we wont find it interesting becuase it is the same. From our past experience we get used to a certain idea and we then want something else to entertain us. For some even the same plot in movies they might be interesting becuase the characters have different lines, while for others the same structure or plot is a terrible thing to watch all over again.
So I agree with the OP, and there are some who would watch a similar movie while others would consider it a rip off and a waste of time.
So those who are against the OP, dont think the OP is wrong, he is implying for some why they are bored, and even then the reasons may vary and not be becuase of thier past experiences with games.
For example when I play a game, I use something that I have enjoyed in the past as a reference as what I look for in the game. It is normally made easier with the same company offering something quite similar. However, even with the same company when they try to innovate thier games I can be dissapointed by the change by not seeing what I have previously enjoyed.
If however, I was new to gaming and I began only playing the newly released game which I was dissapointed in previously, I would not be in this hypotheical situation of never playing before since I do not have reference of a previous better example to compare it too.
So OP is right that past experience is a factor, but it does not apply to everyone since some are happy playing all games, or does not apply to even for the reasons that they might be dissapointed in a game since they could be disaapointed in something completely new, and a new genre of gaming which does not fit the category of past experiences to be dissapointed with.
Write bad things that are done to you in sand, but write the good things that happen to you on a piece of marble
so sad that the majority of replies are only considering 'MMORPGs' in their argument. it really shows how bad the mentality of this site is.
get out of the box. quit living in a bubble. there is more out there, i promise.