so sad that the majority of replies are only considering 'MMORPGs' in their argument. it really shows how bad the mentality of this site is.
get out of the box. quit living in a bubble. there is more out there, i promise.
What exactly is sad about most people only discussing MMOs on a website specifically tailored for the playing of MMOs? You have seen the name of the website . . . correct? Maybe the really sad thing is people who judge others for using something the way it was designed to be used.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
Sure, the wonder and newness of, say the first star wars movies, isn't quite the same from when I first saw them at 7 and when I see them now at 44 but I can still watch them and realize they are leagues above the new star wars movies.
We might experience games a bit differently from when we were young and we might be a bit more critical but for a person who can still firmly plant a foot into his/her childlike place, they will clearly still enjoy games, movies, comics, etc as long as they are taken in perspective.
My 8 yr old daughter loves the original trilogy and thinks the prequels are crap. That pretty much puts an end to this thread.
Let's look at Deus ex, as i have actually played and loved this game.
Whats the ESRB rating on it? M. M means Mature= For Adults/Adult Themed.
I'll let it go that the statistics i posted say 41 year olds buy games. You say its for their kids. its an opinion, so i'll have to respect that.
Now just up a number. THE AVERAGE AGE OF A GAMER, not the youngest or oldest, but right in between ((Which is where games would want their target audience to be, yes?) is 37. thats a fact/statistic.
So what put Deus ex at the top of the charts?
It has Depth, it has an engaging Story, makes you WANT to finish it to see what happens next, it has customization through the roof and down the side of it, and it wraps all that in a pretty package. Other games that dont do so well LACK those things, or a combination of them
In my opinion, games suck because there's nothing to them. If i can beat a game in 6-8 hours, on my first playthrough, its a shit game. Even deus ex kinda failed in my eyes on this, even saying i love it, they took what, 60 hours of play outta it to pack it together in the final release? Fuck That, bring back the old days of 3 or 4 disks, and give it all to me.
Finally, if you've been preaching this goodness for years and no one listens, perhaps Everyone isnt wrong. just saying.
my two cents
Short answers:
Rated M holds as much weight as an R rating on a film. There are plenty of cases of "mature" rated movies and music that were audience tested with subjects much lower than the rating would imply. Gaming isn't really any different in this regard. Also note that M is only 17 and up. You must have watched some different trailers because the ones I saw were pushing to the drunken fratboy crowd. Given Deus Ex: HE wasn't as blatantly targeted as Gears of War or any Call of Duty game, but the marketing definitely had the college kid vibe to it.
How many fucking hours do you spend playing games? I have a wife and a full time job and I'm lucky if I get two hours a night to play. Even on weekends I'll be fortunate to get a four hour block of time to dedicate. . . That's over the entire weekend! This is the main reason why I stick to multiplayer games since I can do a round or two in twenty minutes. A six to eight hour game is two, three, or more nights of entertainment for me. That's the main reason why I own an XBox 360, so that I can rent shorter games rather than buy them.
Finally, everyone isn't exactly right either. The internet is a cesspool of negativity and any time you try to suggest that the sky ISN'T falling, you're generally slamming your head against the wall.
wow i broke my head against the wall ^_^ care to repair it i pay you
Gunna respond to this as i've said my side of the arguement, and you've said your's, we're not going to agree, so we'll leave it at that hm?
I spend about 2-3 hours a night gaming. i have a Full time job, a wife, and a newborn child. I dont hate multiplayer, but its certainly not my bag either. STILL I would rather have a full fledged 60+ hour game. no question about it. We used to get 60-80+ hour games, now we get 6-8, and pay MORE for them than we did with the 80+ hour ones. add in DLC and all that jazz and its even more. its not OUR fault games suck these days. my two cents
Edit: i take abit of that back, it actually is our fault because we keep buying these POS games. so blame is due on us aswell
this is why so many are eager for Skyrim's release as it isnt a 6-8 hour eye candy one handed shuffle, there is still games that are released that arnt as you describe, I think this is a classic example of the overly internet negativity previously mentioned....See what I did there....
i agree.
good games are still being made.
negativity is the majority of what bleeds through people's personality, and into the world wide web.
You know why the original Star War Trilogy was so much better than the prequels? It's because you were 10 years old and everything is fucking awesome when you're 10 years old.
You've been there. You've done hat. And now you're no longer in the demographic that the game industry caters to. You aren't a surburban white boy between the ages of 14 and 25. It's not the games, it's you.
I've been trying to get this across for years, but it always falls on deaf ears. So here it is one more time. The games are the same brainless fun that they've always been. You've just gotten to old and jaded to participate.
You're quoting an absolutely wrong demographic for MMO's. FPS or Console games, sure 15-25..but MMO's, dead wrong.
The average WoW player is 30. Yup, 30 years old. The demographic for any good mmo is aiming much higher than what you're stating. And, sorry...too many games actually do suck...even my 13 year old son will tell you that.
This woman is knitting while playing WoW. This is all sorts of epic.
She's CRAFTING! Outside of WoW. I dont even know what to say.......
Pssh, her druid will go for more $$ on ebay than a stupid baby hat.
She's a noob.
At like.. Nothing probably. She's an olld.
I used to play MMOs like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee.
so sad that the majority of replies are only considering 'MMORPGs' in their argument. it really shows how bad the mentality of this site is.
get out of the box. quit living in a bubble. there is more out there, i promise.
What exactly is sad about most people only discussing MMOs on a website specifically tailored for the playing of MMOs? You have seen the name of the website . . . correct? Maybe the really sad thing is people who judge others for using something the way it was designed to be used.
because they are posting on a thread that specifically is NOT concerning MMO's exclusvely, but gameing as a whole.
Non-MMO conversations take place on here everyday. why is this one different?
if a person is only useing MMO's to debate on this thread, they have missed the point, and have no reason to reply to the OP.
the thread is about 'games' not 'just mmo'. a person only usng MMO's is sad, because everything they say is irrelevent to the op, and their reply shows how badly they live in 'tunnel-vision'.
so sad that the majority of replies are only considering 'MMORPGs' in their argument. it really shows how bad the mentality of this site is.
get out of the box. quit living in a bubble. there is more out there, i promise.
What exactly is sad about most people only discussing MMOs on a website specifically tailored for the playing of MMOs? You have seen the name of the website . . . correct? Maybe the really sad thing is people who judge others for using something the way it was designed to be used.
because they are posting on a thread that specifically is NOT concerning MMO's exclusvely, but gameing as a whole.
Non-MMO conversations take place on here everyday. why is this one different?
if a person is only useing MMO's to debate on this thread, they have missed the point, and have no reason to reply to the OP.
the thread is about 'games' not 'just mmo'. a person only usng MMO's is sad, because everything they say is irrelevent to the op, and their reply shows how badly they live in 'tunnel-vision'.
/offtopic
Yes and no. I would agree if the title would be called "MMOs suck", but games in general? No.
When even the best modern MMOs fall way behind (gameplay, not graphics but who seriously cares about graphics?) some 5 year old single player titles, then there's something utterly wrong with this sort of games. Also, someone please tell me why MMOs shouldn't be measured against single player games? The latter usually have bigger budgets and there's no reason why they should suck. But they do.
About graphics... I don't get why so many players care. It's like debating the kind of paper a book is written on. As if the quality of the paper matters more than its content.
so sad that the majority of replies are only considering 'MMORPGs' in their argument. it really shows how bad the mentality of this site is.
get out of the box. quit living in a bubble. there is more out there, i promise.
What exactly is sad about most people only discussing MMOs on a website specifically tailored for the playing of MMOs? You have seen the name of the website . . . correct? Maybe the really sad thing is people who judge others for using something the way it was designed to be used.
because they are posting on a thread that specifically is NOT concerning MMO's exclusvely, but gameing as a whole.
Non-MMO conversations take place on here everyday. why is this one different?
if a person is only useing MMO's to debate on this thread, they have missed the point, and have no reason to reply to the OP.
the thread is about 'games' not 'just mmo'. a person only usng MMO's is sad, because everything they say is irrelevent to the op, and their reply shows how badly they live in 'tunnel-vision'.
/offtopic
Yes and no. I would agree if the title would be called "MMOs suck", but games in general? No.
When even the best modern MMOs fall way behind (gameplay, not graphics but who seriously cares about graphics?) some 5 year old single player titles, then there's something utterly wrong with this sort of games. Also, someone please tell me why MMOs shouldn't be measured against single player games? The latter usually have bigger budgets and there's no reason why they should suck. But they do.
About graphics... I don't get why so many players care. It's like debating the kind of paper a book is written on. As if the quality of the paper matters more than its content.
i agree about graphics. (i'm playing Morrowind right now)
i agree, that MMO's are behind some single player games in many areas. it's one of the reasons i'm shying away from them, and losing more interest with upcoming titles.
i just posted on the thread, because so many people are only using MMO's to base their opinion of 'modern gaming'. regardless of what this website revolves around, the OP is speaking on 'games in general', which makes so many of these post as irrelevent as my attempts to point it out.
You know why the original Star War Trilogy was so much better than the prequels? It's because you were 10 years old and everything is fucking awesome when you're 10 years old.
You've been there. You've done hat. And now you're no longer in the demographic that the game industry caters to. You aren't a surburban white boy between the ages of 14 and 25. It's not the games, it's you.
I've been trying to get this across for years, but it always falls on deaf ears. So here it is one more time. The games are the same brainless fun that they've always been. You've just gotten to old and jaded to participate.
So how i'm having a blast playing Minecraft when i'm 49yo? If it was me, or my age, I wouldn't be enjoying pretty much any game. But I am. It's only certain games I don't enjoy. How was I enjoying Everquest when I was almost 40yo? How did I enjoy classic WOW at 40 something?
so sad that the majority of replies are only considering 'MMORPGs' in their argument. it really shows how bad the mentality of this site is.
get out of the box. quit living in a bubble. there is more out there, i promise.
This site is called "MMORPG.com". It's for MMORPG fans and hobbyists. That's probably why there's such a predisposition to talk about MMO games.....
I'm still wondering what the point of this thread is exactly. Seems to me it was just made to insult older gamers and nothing more, since the assumptions it makes aren't based on anything factual.
All games do not suck (some do). Those of us who are older gamers have probably enjoyed this hobby for many years. We still play what we enjoy, whether those are new games, old, rpgs, adventure, fps, or WHAT. If a game is good, I'm going to enjoy playing it. I imagine most "older gamers" feel the same way.
so sad that the majority of replies are only considering 'MMORPGs' in their argument. it really shows how bad the mentality of this site is.
get out of the box. quit living in a bubble. there is more out there, i promise.
i and many more, can guarantee you that we are not living in a bubble, it is you... i dont expect you to understand it because you are unable to do such thing. just nerdrage in your ignorance.
You know why the original Star War Trilogy was so much better than the prequels? It's because you were 10 years old and everything is fucking awesome when you're 10 years old.
You've been there. You've done hat. And now you're no longer in the demographic that the game industry caters to. You aren't a surburban white boy between the ages of 14 and 25. It's not the games, it's you.
I've been trying to get this across for years, but it always falls on deaf ears. So here it is one more time. The games are the same brainless fun that they've always been. You've just gotten to old and jaded to participate.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Especially considering how the MMO industry has stalled when it comes to innovation and simply moving forward. Hah, I even dare say that the games back then actually tested you rather than carry you through.
But hey, you had to be there to know that. But it's your lucky day; get a hold of an old NES system with a copy of Ninja Gaiden. Play it, then try to compare it to ANYTHING currently on the market.
THAT is how games used to be (although that example is a harsch one). THAT is what we want. Not the fruitcake games of the present.
You know why the original Star War Trilogy was so much better than the prequels? It's because you were 10 years old and everything is fucking awesome when you're 10 years old.
You've been there. You've done hat. And now you're no longer in the demographic that the game industry caters to. You aren't a surburban white boy between the ages of 14 and 25. It's not the games, it's you.
I've been trying to get this across for years, but it always falls on deaf ears. So here it is one more time. The games are the same brainless fun that they've always been. You've just gotten to old and jaded to participate.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Especially considering how the MMO industry has stalled when it comes to innovation and simply moving forward. Hah, I even dare say that the games back then actually tested you rather than carry you through.
But hey, you had to be there to know that. But it's your lucky day; get a hold of an old NES system with a copy of Ninja Gaiden. Play it, then try to compare it to ANYTHING currently on the market.
THAT is how games used to be (although that example is a harsch one). THAT is what we want. Not the fruitcake games of the present.
Good Point !
I disagree only that you have one two many t's in you sig
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You know why the original Star War Trilogy was so much better than the prequels? It's because you were 10 years old and everything is fucking awesome when you're 10 years old.
I stopped reading there =(
Same here. Many things considered nostalgic are things if find completely shite. Turtles is shite, Thundercats is shite, heck I'd go as far as to say that mario is shite (but that's mostly because I don't get much entertainment out of platformers). The first star wars movies were OK except for Empire Strikes Back, now that's a fucking masterpiece.
Yes being jaded is part of the problem. But no one thinks we have the same sort of MMO’s as we did in the days of Everquest. We would be very lucky indeed if all the changes were for the better. Look around you, in life we so often gain something as lose something else.
We have gained better graphics and immediacy of play, we have lost community and depth. In some ways it was hard to have them both, for example good grouping and good solo. But in other ways elements were just chucked out as they were not wanted by the majority, such as roleplay tools. You may say ‘so what’ we have to go with the majority, but by cutting things out you change who the majority are. So we then had less complex quests, less complex crafting and so on. With each step you make the majority dumber and want more dumbness.
You know why the original Star War Trilogy was so much better than the prequels? It's because you were 10 years old and everything is fucking awesome when you're 10 years old.
You've been there. You've done hat. And now you're no longer in the demographic that the game industry caters to. You aren't a surburban white boy between the ages of 14 and 25. It's not the games, it's you.
I've been trying to get this across for years, but it always falls on deaf ears. So here it is one more time. The games are the same brainless fun that they've always been. You've just gotten to old and jaded to participate.
I think people hear you, but your point is wrong on many levels.
1) Original Star Wars trilogy wasn't that great overall, only the first movie in that trilogy was great (and it still is). Return of the Jedi was worse than any of the three prequel movies
2) As a signficant investor in video game companies who is knowledgeable in their strategies, I can tell you that their demographic expands older every year. It is the main reason videogame revenue has been increasing so much and absolutely blows away the revenue generated 10-20 years ago. The older gamer is a key target for them. In fact the AVERAGE age for an xbox360 user is now over 30.
3) There have always been brainless games as well as intellectually (either tactically or strategically) stimulating games. Same is true for today
4) There have always been game critics. And genres get stale over time and the critics complain about it. But then there are sporadic revolutions in gaming that take one genre or another (or hybrids) to new heights. FPS games for instance (once called Doom clones) had been stale for many years, but had been reinvigorated by Halo 3/Cod4, and probably now reentering a stale phase again.
As an older gamer I was around during the great gaming crash of the late 1980's when people thought gaming had run it's course (many gaming companies went bankrupt including Activision). Gaming has only gotten bigger and broader demographics. I am today in my 40's and probably log more hours gaming than I ever have. Definately more than when I was in my 20's. Older gamers like myself don't go out partying as much anymore because we have kids in the house. Instead we settle down for some gaming when the kids go to bed...
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You know why the original Star War Trilogy was so much better than the prequels? It's because you were 10 years old and everything is fucking awesome when you're 10 years old.
You've been there. You've done hat. And now you're no longer in the demographic that the game industry caters to. You aren't a surburban white boy between the ages of 14 and 25. It's not the games, it's you.
I've been trying to get this across for years, but it always falls on deaf ears. So here it is one more time. The games are the same brainless fun that they've always been. You've just gotten to old and jaded to participate.
wooot Im 34 and still having fun with most games, do that mean I have a 10 years old kid mind? Wooot awesome!, Thansk a lot I feel like a child again
I just love some gems of "wisdom" in this thread such as "Worst films ever made" and "I'm not old i'm "seasoned" (Read: In denial.)" and then some of you seem to be proving the OP at least partially right.
Good grief, i don't even know why i come here anymore.
The last 6 years has seen developers develop for the middle ground making games for consoles and scaling them up for the Pc version making most of them suffer resulting in games that indeed suck when measured up as a Pc game compared to what went before. If your logic was right then why do old Pc gamers still enjoy the odd game that's made properly if its our age? We don't buy into a lot of the rehashed crap like COD series, we wait year for a true success to our games like BF3 that consoles just can't handle as it will be on the Pc. I have no issues you guys liking the games you do, I just don't like them for me.
I just love some gems of "wisdom" in this thread such as "Worst films ever made" and "I'm not old i'm "seasoned" (Read: In denial.)" and then some of you seem to be proving the OP at least partially right.
Good grief, i don't even know why i come here anymore.
You're not old enough to know anything ABOUT being old OR seasoned. Being "old" doesn't mean you lose your personality, likes, and dislikes. Some may change, but you don't become a different person all of a sudden. Do you even have any children that you've watched grow up? I don't mean 4 year olds, I mean teenagers and young adults at least. I've been young, but you've never been old yet. So I think that leaves you a bit handicapped on understanding being old, whereas I understand being young.
This thread has several posts in it, like yours, that obviously just want to be hateful to "old people." All of you should be ashamed of that kind of behavior. It does nothing in the way of showing your intelligence and betrays the fact that your character is lacking.
And as far as you not knowing why you come here? Then just don't. It's not a difficult solution to your frustration at having to share a space with "old people" now is it?
You know why the original Star War Trilogy was so much better than the prequels? It's because you were 10 years old and everything is fucking awesome when you're 10 years old.
You've been there. You've done hat. And now you're no longer in the demographic that the game industry caters to. You aren't a surburban white boy between the ages of 14 and 25. It's not the games, it's you.
I've been trying to get this across for years, but it always falls on deaf ears. So here it is one more time. The games are the same brainless fun that they've always been. You've just gotten to old and jaded to participate.
I will say that the majority of what I had enjoyed in my youth as a gamer (I'm 35), were some pretty kick ass games. I also realize that that perception of them is tinted by nostalga colored lenses.
The original trilogy was pure epic fun...as a kid I even laughed at the absurdity of the ewoks kicking the crap out of the empire. The prequels weren't all bad..yes there were quite a few wincing moments for me, but on the whole, I didn't think they were that bad. Makes me part of the minority I know, but hey, opinions are what they are.
Game companies don't target the young (well except for Nintendo), the young don't have the money to spend, we do (29-38+), we don't always have the time to play like we would like, like we did in our youth, but we are generally loyal to games that are of decent quality, story and content, and we are willing to pay for it.
Todays games are far beyond what I had in my day, and I enjoy a lot of them. But the sad thing is, there are so many games that are simply crap with pretty pixels painted on that have flooded the market it makes it real difficult to short the good from the bad. Is that jaded? Maybe it is, maybe I don't have the time like I used to, to play through the crap games any more. Maybe I expect more from companies that want my hard earned dollar than I did back in the day. Maybe I am just getting too old...but if that's the case....
I'm 56. I still enjoy computer games whether they are new or older. Some games I don't like. Most games I do like. My liking or disliking a game has nothing to do with my age.
I'm the same age as you and have to say sadly there are so many younger players who do give a good account of them selves sadly this aint one of them...
I started a similar thread last week..and, OP, I don't agree. I'm about to turn 42, been an mmo gamer since 2005, and the only games I've played in that time that were worth a good goddamn were EVE and neocron 2. everything else, and I'm talking exclusively MMO's here,(even though I found some mild enjoyment in some) was the same old crap, dressed up differently. There is no real difference between AOC, RIFT, LOTRO, DDO, and so on. same basic classes, some multi-classing, but the core is the same. the missions are the same. THE WORLDS are essentially the same. the lore is poorly defined, and shallow. I never got to play SWG before the NGE because I knew nothing of MMO's then. I wish I had; sounds like it was wonderful, even with all the bugs I've read about. nope, it's the games that are the issue, mainly the devs being put into a situation with investors, that doesn't allow them to develop the way they want. the moneymen want their money back, and to make more. they want the lowest common denominator because "good" doesn't sell as many units as "mediocre but good enough". Mcdonald's philosophy. sad but true.
I started a similar thread last week..and, OP, I don't agree. I'm about to turn 42, been an mmo gamer since 2005, and the only games I've played in that time that were worth a good goddamn were EVE and neocron 2. everything else, and I'm talking exclusively MMO's here,(even though I found some mild enjoyment in some) was the same old crap, dressed up differently. There is no real difference between AOC, RIFT, LOTRO, DDO, and so on. same basic classes, some multi-classing, but the core is the same. the missions are the same. THE WORLDS are essentially the same. the lore is poorly defined, and shallow. I never got to play SWG before the NGE because I knew nothing of MMO's then. I wish I had; sounds like it was wonderful, even with all the bugs I've read about. nope, it's the games that are the issue, mainly the devs being put into a situation with investors, that doesn't allow them to develop the way they want. the moneymen want their money back, and to make more. they want the lowest common denominator because "good" doesn't sell as many units as "mediocre but good enough". Mcdonald's philosophy. sad but true.
Had you played EQI and Ashrons call things might of been different for you too.
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What exactly is sad about most people only discussing MMOs on a website specifically tailored for the playing of MMOs? You have seen the name of the website . . . correct? Maybe the really sad thing is people who judge others for using something the way it was designed to be used.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
My 8 yr old daughter loves the original trilogy and thinks the prequels are crap. That pretty much puts an end to this thread.
i agree.
good games are still being made.
negativity is the majority of what bleeds through people's personality, and into the world wide web.
Pssh, her druid will go for more $$ on ebay than a stupid baby hat.
She's a noob.
At like.. Nothing probably. She's an olld.
I used to play MMOs like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee.
because they are posting on a thread that specifically is NOT concerning MMO's exclusvely, but gameing as a whole.
Non-MMO conversations take place on here everyday. why is this one different?
if a person is only useing MMO's to debate on this thread, they have missed the point, and have no reason to reply to the OP.
the thread is about 'games' not 'just mmo'. a person only usng MMO's is sad, because everything they say is irrelevent to the op, and their reply shows how badly they live in 'tunnel-vision'.
/offtopic
Yes and no. I would agree if the title would be called "MMOs suck", but games in general? No.
When even the best modern MMOs fall way behind (gameplay, not graphics but who seriously cares about graphics?) some 5 year old single player titles, then there's something utterly wrong with this sort of games. Also, someone please tell me why MMOs shouldn't be measured against single player games? The latter usually have bigger budgets and there's no reason why they should suck. But they do.
About graphics... I don't get why so many players care. It's like debating the kind of paper a book is written on. As if the quality of the paper matters more than its content.
i agree about graphics. (i'm playing Morrowind right now)
i agree, that MMO's are behind some single player games in many areas. it's one of the reasons i'm shying away from them, and losing more interest with upcoming titles.
i just posted on the thread, because so many people are only using MMO's to base their opinion of 'modern gaming'. regardless of what this website revolves around, the OP is speaking on 'games in general', which makes so many of these post as irrelevent as my attempts to point it out.
So how i'm having a blast playing Minecraft when i'm 49yo? If it was me, or my age, I wouldn't be enjoying pretty much any game. But I am. It's only certain games I don't enjoy. How was I enjoying Everquest when I was almost 40yo? How did I enjoy classic WOW at 40 something?
You are wrong, It's not me, it's the games.
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This site is called "MMORPG.com". It's for MMORPG fans and hobbyists. That's probably why there's such a predisposition to talk about MMO games.....
I'm still wondering what the point of this thread is exactly. Seems to me it was just made to insult older gamers and nothing more, since the assumptions it makes aren't based on anything factual.
All games do not suck (some do). Those of us who are older gamers have probably enjoyed this hobby for many years. We still play what we enjoy, whether those are new games, old, rpgs, adventure, fps, or WHAT. If a game is good, I'm going to enjoy playing it. I imagine most "older gamers" feel the same way.
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i and many more, can guarantee you that we are not living in a bubble, it is you... i dont expect you to understand it because you are unable to do such thing. just nerdrage in your ignorance.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Especially considering how the MMO industry has stalled when it comes to innovation and simply moving forward. Hah, I even dare say that the games back then actually tested you rather than carry you through.
But hey, you had to be there to know that. But it's your lucky day; get a hold of an old NES system with a copy of Ninja Gaiden. Play it, then try to compare it to ANYTHING currently on the market.
THAT is how games used to be (although that example is a harsch one). THAT is what we want. Not the fruitcake games of the present.
Good Point !
I disagree only that you have one two many t's in you sig
"Skill has not cool downed!"
The Mind leads and the Body follows
MAGA
Same here. Many things considered nostalgic are things if find completely shite. Turtles is shite, Thundercats is shite, heck I'd go as far as to say that mario is shite (but that's mostly because I don't get much entertainment out of platformers). The first star wars movies were OK except for Empire Strikes Back, now that's a fucking masterpiece.
So your argument fails... HARD.
Yes being jaded is part of the problem. But no one thinks we have the same sort of MMO’s as we did in the days of Everquest. We would be very lucky indeed if all the changes were for the better. Look around you, in life we so often gain something as lose something else.
We have gained better graphics and immediacy of play, we have lost community and depth. In some ways it was hard to have them both, for example good grouping and good solo. But in other ways elements were just chucked out as they were not wanted by the majority, such as roleplay tools. You may say ‘so what’ we have to go with the majority, but by cutting things out you change who the majority are. So we then had less complex quests, less complex crafting and so on. With each step you make the majority dumber and want more dumbness.
So jaded yes, but with reason.
I think people hear you, but your point is wrong on many levels.
1) Original Star Wars trilogy wasn't that great overall, only the first movie in that trilogy was great (and it still is). Return of the Jedi was worse than any of the three prequel movies
2) As a signficant investor in video game companies who is knowledgeable in their strategies, I can tell you that their demographic expands older every year. It is the main reason videogame revenue has been increasing so much and absolutely blows away the revenue generated 10-20 years ago. The older gamer is a key target for them. In fact the AVERAGE age for an xbox360 user is now over 30.
3) There have always been brainless games as well as intellectually (either tactically or strategically) stimulating games. Same is true for today
4) There have always been game critics. And genres get stale over time and the critics complain about it. But then there are sporadic revolutions in gaming that take one genre or another (or hybrids) to new heights. FPS games for instance (once called Doom clones) had been stale for many years, but had been reinvigorated by Halo 3/Cod4, and probably now reentering a stale phase again.
As an older gamer I was around during the great gaming crash of the late 1980's when people thought gaming had run it's course (many gaming companies went bankrupt including Activision). Gaming has only gotten bigger and broader demographics. I am today in my 40's and probably log more hours gaming than I ever have. Definately more than when I was in my 20's. Older gamers like myself don't go out partying as much anymore because we have kids in the house. Instead we settle down for some gaming when the kids go to bed...
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
wooot Im 34 and still having fun with most games, do that mean I have a 10 years old kid mind? Wooot awesome!, Thansk a lot I feel like a child again
I just love some gems of "wisdom" in this thread such as "Worst films ever made" and "I'm not old i'm "seasoned" (Read: In denial.)" and then some of you seem to be proving the OP at least partially right.
Good grief, i don't even know why i come here anymore.
The last 6 years has seen developers develop for the middle ground making games for consoles and scaling them up for the Pc version making most of them suffer resulting in games that indeed suck when measured up as a Pc game compared to what went before. If your logic was right then why do old Pc gamers still enjoy the odd game that's made properly if its our age? We don't buy into a lot of the rehashed crap like COD series, we wait year for a true success to our games like BF3 that consoles just can't handle as it will be on the Pc. I have no issues you guys liking the games you do, I just don't like them for me.
This thread makes me feel like I'm the youngest person on this site.
This pic says it all really.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=412422
You're not old enough to know anything ABOUT being old OR seasoned. Being "old" doesn't mean you lose your personality, likes, and dislikes. Some may change, but you don't become a different person all of a sudden. Do you even have any children that you've watched grow up? I don't mean 4 year olds, I mean teenagers and young adults at least. I've been young, but you've never been old yet. So I think that leaves you a bit handicapped on understanding being old, whereas I understand being young.
This thread has several posts in it, like yours, that obviously just want to be hateful to "old people." All of you should be ashamed of that kind of behavior. It does nothing in the way of showing your intelligence and betrays the fact that your character is lacking.
And as far as you not knowing why you come here? Then just don't. It's not a difficult solution to your frustration at having to share a space with "old people" now is it?
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
I will say that the majority of what I had enjoyed in my youth as a gamer (I'm 35), were some pretty kick ass games. I also realize that that perception of them is tinted by nostalga colored lenses.
The original trilogy was pure epic fun...as a kid I even laughed at the absurdity of the ewoks kicking the crap out of the empire. The prequels weren't all bad..yes there were quite a few wincing moments for me, but on the whole, I didn't think they were that bad. Makes me part of the minority I know, but hey, opinions are what they are.
Game companies don't target the young (well except for Nintendo), the young don't have the money to spend, we do (29-38+), we don't always have the time to play like we would like, like we did in our youth, but we are generally loyal to games that are of decent quality, story and content, and we are willing to pay for it.
Todays games are far beyond what I had in my day, and I enjoy a lot of them. But the sad thing is, there are so many games that are simply crap with pretty pixels painted on that have flooded the market it makes it real difficult to short the good from the bad. Is that jaded? Maybe it is, maybe I don't have the time like I used to, to play through the crap games any more. Maybe I expect more from companies that want my hard earned dollar than I did back in the day. Maybe I am just getting too old...but if that's the case....
....Get off my lawn.....
I'm the same age as you and have to say sadly there are so many younger players who do give a good account of them selves sadly this aint one of them...
Asbo
I started a similar thread last week..and, OP, I don't agree. I'm about to turn 42, been an mmo gamer since 2005, and the only games I've played in that time that were worth a good goddamn were EVE and neocron 2. everything else, and I'm talking exclusively MMO's here,(even though I found some mild enjoyment in some) was the same old crap, dressed up differently. There is no real difference between AOC, RIFT, LOTRO, DDO, and so on. same basic classes, some multi-classing, but the core is the same. the missions are the same. THE WORLDS are essentially the same. the lore is poorly defined, and shallow. I never got to play SWG before the NGE because I knew nothing of MMO's then. I wish I had; sounds like it was wonderful, even with all the bugs I've read about. nope, it's the games that are the issue, mainly the devs being put into a situation with investors, that doesn't allow them to develop the way they want. the moneymen want their money back, and to make more. they want the lowest common denominator because "good" doesn't sell as many units as "mediocre but good enough". Mcdonald's philosophy. sad but true.
Had you played EQI and Ashrons call things might of been different for you too.
Asbo