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Star Wars: The Old Republic: The Lure of Star Wars: The Old Republic
SBFord
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In today's column, MMORPG.com Managing Editor Bill Murphy, or Captain Obvious as we sometimes call him, writes about the ever-present elephant in the room, Star Wars: The Old Republic. He calls on those who already love the game and those who've predetermined their hatred to put all that aside until the game actually is released. Check out what else Bill has to say in his latest column. Then don your Teflon undies and weigh in on the discussion.
In just a little more than two months’ time, BioWare’s The Old Republic will be upon us. In a fit of rage and clamor that we haven’t seen since the last big game was released, I’m pretty sure we’ll experience a surge on our forums and see a storm in the press unlike anything else. The game will divide people. In much the same way Episodes I through III did, BioWare’s game will have a bevy of fans and enemies alike. By now, you’re reading this and thinking, “Bill… you’re stating the obvious again.” But hey, someone has to.
Read more of Bill Murphy's The Lure of Star Wars: The Old Republic.
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I completely agree. I dont care if its the next big thing, or if its gonna revolutionize the industry, I just want to play Star Wars. I want to travel to that galaxy far far away that I visited and loved so much as a child....
Wouldn't that be great if everyone just shut up? I've gotten into the same dissection about the game. "It's just a WoW clone" but so what if it is, WoW is a great game! why fix what isn't broken. I know wow has changed alot but when you're making money in this crowded MMO world, good on ya! I too am just waiting for the game to come out so I can dive into it and make my own call about it, good or bad. The game had me at 'Star Wars"
Not for the site's footfall it wouldnt lol
even as a child watching the original trilogy i stll hated those damn ewoks.
I appreciate and understand your sentiment. The Quote Wars start and stop with the haters and flamebaiters though ...
*bites random SWTOR detractor in his shoulder*
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Ironically, this post is both flamebait and has 'hate' (as we define 'hate' on forums anyhow).
Unless you were actually refering to yourself as well Pony that is
I wanna marry a wookie.
In Bioware we trust!
You're gonna have to endure Life Day, are you sure you want to do that?
It's like asking politicians to stop bickering and just do their jobs.
Impossible, even for a computer.
What I have found without a doubt that has NEVER failed is that no matter how logical and passionate and well written and chock-full of information and facts and persuasive arguments etc. a forum post or blog or article might be...
There will always be a half dozen or so people who read the first few words then respond with a knee jerk response.
You just can't fix stupid.
MMO forums are just FULL of it.
Generally, I skim through a post for the usual troll words and simply ignore the post, poster, and move on.
Here's a list to avoid to save yourself a great deal of frustration:
1. Dumbed-Down
2. Themepark
3. WoW-clone
4. Single Player
If you see more then two of these words in a post, it's probably written by either an idiot or a 12 year old with no concept of high-level ideas like "perspective."
Actually, if you see #1 or #3 it's best to just completely ignore the post and poster without even searching for a second violation.
I have to admit two things here.
First, I am a huge Star Wars geek/nut/fanboi. I own about 50+ Star Wars novels, and lots of background info about timelines, planets, alien races, I can read Aurebesh and understand phrases of Huteese. So I guess I am a nightmare for any Star Wars game developer, teh. I am that guy who reads the Aurebesh ads inside the SWTOR videos and snorts "hey, that text has a typo!" ^^ However, I can accept a lot more lenience away from canon than most SW geeks. I don't mind some sort of creativity and bending some lore for gameplay mechanics.
Second, and most dire for TOR prolly: I am a HUGE SWG fan. SWG was my first MMO, and my biggest MMO love, and it ALWAYS WILL. I had a super great wonderful time with a super wonderful guild (Hello Mystic Alliance - Starsider^^) with our own very active player city on Naboo, and so many memories and good time, as I never even remotely had in ANY other MMO. And I essentially played them all, even if some just a brief time. I mean, I understand the time of pure sandboxes is over as mass market MMOs. But I always will bemoan that TOR did not take ANY sandbox elements into consideration and made it a pure themepark only. Or that there are no playable alien races. Or that the classes are so narrowed to some movie hero ideal. I am one of those who would want to play a totally freakish Mon Cal or Bothan or Trandoshan over some heroic human. I am one who would have at least an Uncle Owen as alt character. I am one who had a tailor shop and loved just tailoring and roleplaying with customers for days and days without killing a single mob. I am one who used to play Dancer with an entertainer group that travelled all over the Galaxy for gigs, events, auctions, parties and whatnot, without killing a single mob!
I would prefer to *live* in a SW universe and be hero from time to time, over being hero all the time and lack the feeling of a living world.
So while I look greatly forward to the cool storylines... it will always be the junior of a much greater vision. Unless the paradigm of TOR changes or real sandbox elements are taken in after launch.
But yes, as SW nerd you could put me into a grey box with a lightsaber and I'd play it.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I belive that all the bashing on the game has nothing to do with the game at all. Replace "SWTOR" with "Dollar signed toilet paper rolls" and replace peoples passion for computer games with a passion for toilet paper, and the discussions would look exactly the same. It's in our nature to LOVE bashing on whatever, including each other. Some just do it for the sake of doing it, and if in that point of their life they happen to have a passion for toilet paper, they will seek basing-victims in the toilet paper sector.
Fact is. 98% of us have already decided (long ago) if we're going to try dollar signed toilet paper rolls or not, and that wont change (not on a grand scale anyway). So, every bashing-topic about said subject is in essence a waste of time and space. Their sole purpose is to to satisfy the bashers. The rest are generally unaffected.
NOTHING will change... until after release.
But then again, since we love bashing, and since it wont have any effect at all on the outcome - Who cares if it's there? It's transparent anyway. If you must look at it, remember to look through it. If you don't, you will miss that beautiful horizon behind it. Your loss, not mine.
You forgot "violence" ...
*stamps Vesavius on his foot*
No, but seriously. 99% of Quote Wars start with jabs and cheapshots from those bashing the game out of whatever agenda or incentive they have. And I am not talking about people with constructive criticism or genuine concerns. Nothing wrong with that. I have genuine concerns about high-end crafting tied in with raiding myself, made a thread about it and we had a good discussion. Most fans even agreed on my points.
But the bashers just bash for bashing sake; they are on somekind of zealous crusade of hatred and can't even help themselves ripping on a game at every occasion. They are not even thinking of putting things constructively; they HOPE that Swtor will "fail" and let that shimmer through openly. This tempts people to lash out and really does spoil the atmosphere on a forum. At least for those who can't look past that. (I admit I can't look past that either, at times).
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SW:TOR wont fail but it wont be the once in a decade success people are dreaming it will be. the game will have a long life and will go on as the spiritual successor to WoW but it wont ever reach the same numbers WoW has seen. TOR will be the most successful MMO to launch since WoW though, until GW2 comes out
*note i am not saying GW2 will out-perform SWTOR or that it is a better game (since i haven't beta'd GW2 i cant draw any conclusions). i am saying that GW2 is probably the only other big name title that can give SWTOR some competition, at least for the time being.
That's cool brah, but you should change your name to something more appropriate though
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While I am excited for the game, I really don't feel like trying to impose my opinion on those who already assume it's gonna "fail" or be a "WoW clone" or whatever. I say let people have their opinions and leave it at that. When December rolls around we'll all see who's right anyways, I don't see the point in bickering over a game that hasn't even entered beta let alone actually been released.
Wow, I couldn't have said it better than the author of this article. I'm sick to death of the arguing. I do want to say, the one thing I can admit is that I'm in beta. I like it and it is not what most of these people make it out to be. Due to the NDA, I can't say anything more.
Look, I think what I am really excited about with SWTOR is the fact that I might (and this is me hoping) really get a chance to find a community to play with again. I don't have issues with the gameplay or WOW clone. I just want to find a nice sense of community that I once loved about WOW.
Maybe I am just a wishful romantic, but I have played almost every western-based MMO over the last few years and can't seem to get into them. I just feel like I am playing a single player game with other people running around.
I don't know if I played WOW during a time in my life where everything came together in the right way or not. When I played, I had a great time. I had a wonderful group of players who seemed to have as much free time as I did. We played for hours on end and it was never really about the game, but about the cool times and the people we met.
When I think back to WOW, i don't think about the dungeons and the raids, I think back to moments that made me laugh. I remember the dumb things fondly (like all the damn guild fights over stupid shit) and the things that were serious (like one player causing another player to break up with their boyfriend).
So, what I am hoping for SWTOR, and for Guild Wars, is a reconnection to the fun I had just playing with strangers that eventually became friends. I have a feelingg that if SWTOR and Guild Wars 2 doesn't reconnect with me, then I have to face the truth and admit that I have moved on from MMOs and find another hobby.
hehe yeah, I know, just poking at you
That's exactly how I feel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0cb7aX86b0&feature=related
The pictures are so ridiculous
Thank you for the read, i'll try to let people dream, and i have few ewoks here at home (a bit less hairy though), and yes they also love to burst bubble, sometime they literally beg me for a bubble tube just so they can burst them one by one, ewoks are awesome.
and for the finish a ewok vid just for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t02kvluv7dQ&feature=related
I'd agree with this article if the game were actually set in the Star Wars timeline.
But its not, so its really just not a Star Wars game to me.
"If you’re reading this, there’s a part of you that absolutely loves Star Wars."
Not really. I mean, I loved the first three movies but that's about as far as I go. I'm actually more into BioWare moving into the MMO space with their signature elements. I guess you could say I'm a BioWare fanboy far (FAR) moreso than a Star Wars one. It's really great that a studio that releases high quality RPGs with depth (i.e. not the typical 'black and white' morality play, interpersonal relationships between party members, and so on), primarily for the PC, is moving into an area that gives them even more room (potentially) to do what they do. I was hoping Bethesda would win their lawsuit so they could do Fallout but that didn't happen (and "Interplay" is going to wind up just like Perpetual did - trying to make a game of an IP that's far beyond their ability to properly deliver. It'll be like a toddler trying to build an A380 by hand). Still hoping Bethesda finds a way into this market as they have the IP but the field is crowded.
I did get interested enough to preorder the collector's edition though. But again, that's faith in BioWare more than anything else. And I'll play it just like I play everything else (I try every MMO that comes out), and hope it doesn't wear on me too soon. I think the best advice is basically right up Bill's alley: make up your own mind. Nobody knows what you like more than you do. Don't take some faceless name on a message board's word for anything. That's basically why I try everything myself.
What else is there to talk about? We've discussed men who play female avatars, how unrealistic it is for female toons to wear such skimpy armor, and why many games lack a breast slider for ever.
Maybe if there were more big games coming out. I would say many days logging onto MMORPG.com fully half of the games in the news section are of the f2p, poor quality type that do not interest me in the least. You see...I have money and I don't mind spending it monthly on a game. I'm not some teenager with no money or some homeless guy playing games at his local library. $15 a month is nothing to me. But there is not a lot happening on the mmo scene, hence SWTOR gets a lot of attention.
The natives are restless. Ofcourse we could all decide to just not post on this site or visit, but then how would that benefit mmorpg.com and their advertisers.
That's an interesting point.
What if they made a Planet of the Apes game before apes could talk?
What if they made a Star Trek game before they had warp capability?
What if they made a Stargate game 100 years before they had discovered the first Stargate?
What if they made a Pirates of the Carribean game and set it in the year 1 BC?
Yeah...lol....developers and their silly ideas.