Its not odd...But people learn from experience. Since several other games that had NDA until release date had serious flaws people will get worried. And if only selected journalists are allowed to write about parts of the game you will perhaps ask yourself the questions. -What about the rest of the game? What would ordinary players have to say about it?
I'm not following this logic.
If you don't trust the 'journalists' because only 'select few' are writing about it, then you are not going to believe the impression that journalists is going to write about.
If you do trust that journalist, then there is nothing more to say.
Despite the 'hate' the internet gives IGN, I actually trust them.
I trust ordinary players much more than journalist. People I know. But also ordinary players in general. Not everyone of course. But if I read what 250 players(beta testers) think about the game I will trust them if 80% says its good. Of course some of the other players that are part of the negative 20% will be haters that want to hurt the game or insult its fans. But I can recognize and ignore them.
And I really dont think I trust one specific journalist. I want to know what journalists in general think. Both critical and negative and positive that think the game is fantastic. Then I can come to my own conclusions based on that. But if only selected journalist are allowed to write about the game I will not really be able to do that...
At least if they continue to control all info until release date I will think there is something they want to hide. Other games, based on my experience, that did that had something to hide. And there is reason to be suspicous.
However, if they lift NDA fully 3-4 weeks before release I will change my opinion.
The defense that the story will have spoilers is true to a point if you ask a specific question about a specific quest if you make a specific choice. Come on guys the game is like 27 gigs for a reason? I doubt you can just upload all of that to youtube.
I guess people could give summaries, but like I said if you have played the Beta or watched leaks then you know the story can not be laid out in a simple way because there are several things going on that tie together. No that is not NDA breaking that is called logic btw.
My view if the game is that good let it sell itself. Only thing rumors and hype gets you is almost psychotic threads after launch with people complaining of missing features that were never even mentioned and unsubs and bad rep.
Very sad, OP tries and spin standard business practice as something sinister and a bunch of trolls jump on the band wagon.
There is an NDA - Which is standard
There was a press embargo - which is standard
The embargo is lifted first - Standard
The NDA will be lifted later - Standard
And yeah, you guys are right when the NDA is lifted you're going to hear from the testers. I can say with great certainty that those crying doom and gloom weren't part of that group. In all honesty I'd say they should be glad the NDA is in effect, this allows them to troll a bit longer.
Very sad, OP tries and spin standard business practice as something sinister and a bunch of trolls jump on the band wagon.
There is an NDA - Which is standard
There was a press embargo - which is standard
The embargo is lifted first - Standard
The NDA will be lifted later - Standard
And yeah, you guys are right when the NDA is lifted you're going to hear from the testers. I can say with great certainty that those crying doom and gloom weren't part of that group. In all honesty I'd say they should be glad the NDA is in effect, this allows them to troll a bit longer.
If anyone chooses not to try a game, any game, because of haters on this site that is a terrible shame. Sites allowing this anonymous spewing of venom should not be trusted beyond blowing off steam. Opinions are like assholes - everybody's got one and both stink. So take this advice if you are unsure, read forum posts on sites like these for entertainment purposes only.
Very sad, OP tries and spin standard business practice as something sinister and a bunch of trolls jump on the band wagon.
There is an NDA - Which is standard
There was a press embargo - which is standard
The embargo is lifted first - Standard
The NDA will be lifted later - Standard
And yeah, you guys are right when the NDA is lifted you're going to hear from the testers. I can say with great certainty that those crying doom and gloom weren't part of that group. In all honesty I'd say they should be glad the NDA is in effect, this allows them to troll a bit longer.
wtf all I did was post the guys Twitter post. Go take it up with the lead producer if you think he sounds sinister when he tweets
Very sad, OP tries and spin standard business practice as something sinister and a bunch of trolls jump on the band wagon.
There is an NDA - Which is standard
There was a press embargo - which is standard
The embargo is lifted first - Standard
The NDA will be lifted later - Standard
And yeah, you guys are right when the NDA is lifted you're going to hear from the testers. I can say with great certainty that those crying doom and gloom weren't part of that group. In all honesty I'd say they should be glad the NDA is in effect, this allows them to troll a bit longer.
wtf all I did was post the guys Twitter post. Go take it up with the lead producer if you think he sounds sinister when he tweets
Not in the unedited post you didn't. Well you did, but you added a little of your own mind as well. (It's stil there in post #2).
Very sad, OP tries and spin standard business practice as something sinister and a bunch of trolls jump on the band wagon.
There is an NDA - Which is standard
There was a press embargo - which is standard
The embargo is lifted first - Standard
The NDA will be lifted later - Standard
And yeah, you guys are right when the NDA is lifted you're going to hear from the testers. I can say with great certainty that those crying doom and gloom weren't part of that group. In all honesty I'd say they should be glad the NDA is in effect, this allows them to troll a bit longer.
wtf all I did was post the guys Twitter post. Go take it up with the lead producer if you think he sounds sinister when he tweets
Not in the unedited post you didn't. Well you did, but you added a little of your own mind as well. (It's stil there in post #2).
You also, a little later, said that after beta testing yourself that you weren't going to buy the game. Fkin heathen!!! buy the game or die on fire bitch!
----- The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
Simple rule on press embargoes: unless you've been told you're under embargo, you're a tester. Ergo, no, you can't talk about the game.
To those thinking of this game I beg you to do your research. If there were a full NDA lift tommorow I would not hold back on my negative reviews and I will leave it there. This is not trolling, but please look into this game hard.
{mod edit}
You're right, not everyone likes the same things. {mod edit}
Very sad, OP tries and spin standard business practice as something sinister and a bunch of trolls jump on the band wagon.
There is an NDA - Which is standard
There was a press embargo - which is standard
The embargo is lifted first - Standard
The NDA will be lifted later - Standard
And yeah, you guys are right when the NDA is lifted you're going to hear from the testers. I can say with great certainty that those crying doom and gloom weren't part of that group. In all honesty I'd say they should be glad the NDA is in effect, this allows them to troll a bit longer.
wtf all I did was post the guys Twitter post. Go take it up with the lead producer if you think he sounds sinister when he tweets
Read what DarkPony posted below and also Controlled NDA lift is not what was tweeted. But you knew that. You also knew that spinning it as a Controlled NDA lift sounded better than saying press embargo lifted.
If you weren't trying to twist it, you would have posted what was said instead of changing it to suit your needs.
But hey, it's your right to feign innocence I guess lol.
Not in the unedited post you didn't. Well you did, but you added a little of your own mind as well. (It's stil there in post #2).
Which I edited out after the first page of comments was about me and not the title of the thread. Pretty sure I said my bad on page 1 for doing that. The last 8 pages have been about the topic.
Very sad, OP tries and spin standard business practice as something sinister and a bunch of trolls jump on the band wagon.
There is an NDA - Which is standard
There was a press embargo - which is standard
The embargo is lifted first - Standard
The NDA will be lifted later - Standard
And yeah, you guys are right when the NDA is lifted you're going to hear from the testers. I can say with great certainty that those crying doom and gloom weren't part of that group. In all honesty I'd say they should be glad the NDA is in effect, this allows them to troll a bit longer.
wtf all I did was post the guys Twitter post. Go take it up with the lead producer if you think he sounds sinister when he tweets
Not in the unedited post you didn't. Well you did, but you added a little of your own mind as well. (It's stil there in post #2).
You also, a little later, said that after beta testing yourself that you weren't going to buy the game. Fkin heathen!!! buy the game or die on fire bitch!
So we can neither confirm nor deny what they have to say? Again makes no sense, NDA by agreement covers unreleased information, not public knowledge. This is a definite first for me and I've been in most beta's since eq2...
yeah... this seems kinda funky. Kinda like that level 15 SWTOR Soldier mission where you have to help Obi Wan get to the High School dance while making sure his "egg baby" doesn't break. Oh, the hijinks!!!
wtf all I did was post the guys Twitter post. Go take it up with the lead producer if you think he sounds sinister when he tweets
No, you didn't.
You posted Rockjaw's tweet, and then had your own addition before you ninja edited:
"To those thinking of this game I beg you to do your research. If there were a full NDA lift tommorow I would not hold back on my negative reviews and I will leave it there. This is not trolling, but please look into this game hard."
Your entire intention for creating this thread was to try and push potentially interested people away.
Not sure why everyone is so happy/sad/paranoid etc about it?
Course I do, this is the biggest, most hyped MMO launch ever!
All I'm going to say is that I had to order 3 more copies of SWTOR from Amazon.
Yes generally but as this is EA/Bioware this is clearly a case of 'greed' and a conspiracy to shield the free thinking world from the truth about their terrible vaporware game. I think that's the general spittle anyway :P
it's sad when people define themselves by hate really....
You but then you have idiots who will ruin the story just for the sake of being idiots. They are not going to but spoiler tags on their posts, they will just post something with a catchy title, you click it then the story is ruined. Don't know how many times I saw Snape kills Dumbledore, not that I cared since I don't read Harry Potter, but I am sure the people who wanted to finish the book did.
FAAAAAA SNAPE KILLED DUMBLEDORE?!?!?!?!?!?!!! put spoiler tags mannnn
Dobey is the real Voldemort. The other guy turns out to be an imposter. He's actually old man Dithers from down the street, trying to scare people away so he can buy Hogwarts for cheap. And he woulda got away with it if it hadn't been for those meddling kids...
Very sad, OP tries and spin standard business practice as something sinister and a bunch of trolls jump on the band wagon.
There is an NDA - Which is standard
There was a press embargo - which is standard
The embargo is lifted first - Standard
The NDA will be lifted later - Standard
And yeah, you guys are right when the NDA is lifted you're going to hear from the testers. I can say with great certainty that those crying doom and gloom weren't part of that group. In all honesty I'd say they should be glad the NDA is in effect, this allows them to troll a bit longer.
wtf all I did was post the guys Twitter post. Go take it up with the lead producer if you think he sounds sinister when he tweets
Not in the unedited post you didn't. Well you did, but you added a little of your own mind as well. (It's stil there in post #2).
You also, a little later, said that after beta testing yourself that you weren't going to buy the game. Fkin heathen!!! buy the game or die on fire bitch!
mmm.. was bad quoting if you weren't privy to my internal dialogue I grant you, but whose fault is that really.
For clarification I was directing my comment at the person you quoted, I also 'in my head' said it sarcastically for what can only be described as hilarious comedic value, a fair amount of which has been lost in this explaination.
Edit: was expecting Shaggy in link, Eddie better
----- The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
A partial (and controlled) NDA drop tells me BW isn't exactly confident in their product.
This close to release, and you're still worried about negative press? That doesn't bold well for your game...
You're basically telling everyone: "Yeah, if we lift the NDA completely, people are going to s*** all over our game."
Have some confidence BW! Drop the NDA completely and let the world discuss the game openely!
If it's as good as you think it is, negative press be damned. The game will speak for itself, right?
I don't buy the whole "There would be a huge mess for them to clean up with all the trolls/idiots ragging on the game..."
Newsflash: Tons of people have already been ragging on the game for years, and if you know where to look, you can find plenty of (recent) opinions from beta testers that are disappointed by it. So what's the difference if the NDA is actually dropped? Are they worried that the impressions journalists have of the game will match up to what's already been said by some of the nay sayers?
They couldn't do that, or the pre order hype meter will fall. They need those sales before the full truth is out there and they're posting to the community what great things are coming to fill the holes.
Yes generally but as this is EA/Bioware this is clearly a case of 'greed' and a conspiracy to shield the free thinking world from the truth about their terrible vaporware game. I think that's the general spittle anyway :P
it's sad when people define themselves by hate really....
They could be clverly disquised RP'rs!?!? Sith are really big on the hate and passion thing.
Thinfoilhat or not. I hope these seemingly "trusted by BioWare press sites" have the balls to give the facts the way they are (good or bad). There's no denying that these "trusted press sites" will benefit from this approach... all pageviews from ppl looking for any info will go to the select few websites (= lots of advertisement income = lots of money).
And the last time I checked, any business evolves around money (defenitly that of these "professional/trusted" press sites).
Wait what is this thread about I still don't know what is going on.
Bioware is dropping the NDA for a select few press sites?
Or dropping the NDA for specific events that happened recently?
WTH?
It's easy.
They said that if you are a bigg press site and you got a personal note that you are currently under "EMBARGO" then you can release your info when the embargo is lifted. Looks like that will be tomorrow... Or no.. that's today actually.
Anyway... anyone else who knows something about the game (because of being a tester) and thinks he should share that with the world... whell... they should just shut up and be quiet.
However, I don't understand why testers couldn't confirm or deny any new widespread information about SW:ToR. There's still confusion about that...
Simple rule on press embargoes: unless you've been told you're under embargo, you're a tester. Ergo, no, you can't talk about the game.
They can control the press with access, they can't control general tester opinion.
This is a dev running scared, petrified as to how their game will be recieved (because they know what they have isn't what a lot of MMOers are looking for), seeking to create a bed of postitive hype before launch.
You heard the man. Everyone go get your tin-foil hats.
Weak comments like this don't mean it isn't the truth.
The point is simply this. Why when a company does anything you, or most anyone else personally find odd. Why is the first impulse always. It is something bad, or they are trying to hide something that is bad? Someone threw out the suggestion that maybe they are trying to protect the stories, only to have it immeadiately shot down by the usual comments regarding "Greed" & "Fear".
Because it echos patterns of past MMO releases such as AOC, which held its cards close to its chest like this and people ended up getting stung, and now with Bioware acting what appears the same way to many, it's making people take care before they put their money down this time.
Not in the unedited post you didn't. Well you did, but you added a little of your own mind as well. (It's stil there in post #2).
Which I edited out after the first page of comments was about me and not the title of the thread. Pretty sure I said my bad on page 1 for doing that. The last 8 pages have been about the topic.
I see only 4 pages.....by mod edited out all the trash?
How much WoW could a WoWhater hate, if a WoWhater could hate WoW? As much WoW as a WoWhater would, if a WoWhater could hate WoW.
Wait what is this thread about I still don't know what is going on.
Bioware is dropping the NDA for a select few press sites?
Or dropping the NDA for specific events that happened recently?
WTH?
It's easy.
They said that if you are a bigg press site and you got a personal note that you are currently under "EMBARGO" then you can release your info when the embargo is lifted. Looks like that will be tomorrow... Or no.. that's today actually.
Anyway... anyone else who knows something about the game (because of being a tester) and thinks he should share that with the world... whell... they should just shut up and be quiet.
However, I don't understand why testers couldn't confirm or deny any new widespread information about SW:ToR. There's still confusion about that...
Also, the press has to agree with a long-winded PDF-style agreement as to what they can and cannot talk about.
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I trust ordinary players much more than journalist. People I know. But also ordinary players in general. Not everyone of course. But if I read what 250 players(beta testers) think about the game I will trust them if 80% says its good. Of course some of the other players that are part of the negative 20% will be haters that want to hurt the game or insult its fans. But I can recognize and ignore them.
And I really dont think I trust one specific journalist. I want to know what journalists in general think. Both critical and negative and positive that think the game is fantastic. Then I can come to my own conclusions based on that. But if only selected journalist are allowed to write about the game I will not really be able to do that...
At least if they continue to control all info until release date I will think there is something they want to hide. Other games, based on my experience, that did that had something to hide. And there is reason to be suspicous.
However, if they lift NDA fully 3-4 weeks before release I will change my opinion.
{mod edit}
The defense that the story will have spoilers is true to a point if you ask a specific question about a specific quest if you make a specific choice. Come on guys the game is like 27 gigs for a reason? I doubt you can just upload all of that to youtube.
I guess people could give summaries, but like I said if you have played the Beta or watched leaks then you know the story can not be laid out in a simple way because there are several things going on that tie together. No that is not NDA breaking that is called logic btw.
My view if the game is that good let it sell itself. Only thing rumors and hype gets you is almost psychotic threads after launch with people complaining of missing features that were never even mentioned and unsubs and bad rep.
Very sad, OP tries and spin standard business practice as something sinister and a bunch of trolls jump on the band wagon.
There is an NDA - Which is standard
There was a press embargo - which is standard
The embargo is lifted first - Standard
The NDA will be lifted later - Standard
And yeah, you guys are right when the NDA is lifted you're going to hear from the testers. I can say with great certainty that those crying doom and gloom weren't part of that group. In all honesty I'd say they should be glad the NDA is in effect, this allows them to troll a bit longer.
*slams hoof on desk*
HEAR, HEAR!
GIVE THIS MAN A GLASS OF ALE!
My brand new bloggity blog.
wtf all I did was post the guys Twitter post. Go take it up with the lead producer if you think he sounds sinister when he tweets
Not in the unedited post you didn't. Well you did, but you added a little of your own mind as well. (It's stil there in post #2).
My brand new bloggity blog.
You also, a little later, said that after beta testing yourself that you weren't going to buy the game. Fkin heathen!!! buy the game or die on fire bitch!
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The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
You're right, not everyone likes the same things. {mod edit}
Read what DarkPony posted below and also Controlled NDA lift is not what was tweeted. But you knew that. You also knew that spinning it as a Controlled NDA lift sounded better than saying press embargo lifted.
If you weren't trying to twist it, you would have posted what was said instead of changing it to suit your needs.
But hey, it's your right to feign innocence I guess lol.
http://twitter.com/#!/Rockjaw
As others have noted, we have a press embargo on #SWTORdropping tomorrow. We've had press in for a while. Testers are still under NDA.
That means if you're in testing, you're still bound by NDA. Only press who have been admitted will be sharing their impressions.
Little less confusing don't you think?
Better title would be.... "Press Embargo Lifted tomorrow"
Sure it's less self serving, but it's accurate.
Which I edited out after the first page of comments was about me and not the title of the thread. Pretty sure I said my bad on page 1 for doing that. The last 8 pages have been about the topic.
Wasn't me. Srsly!
You must be mistaken.
Wasn't me.
My brand new bloggity blog.
yeah... this seems kinda funky. Kinda like that level 15 SWTOR Soldier mission where you have to help Obi Wan get to the High School dance while making sure his "egg baby" doesn't break. Oh, the hijinks!!!
... OOOOPS!!!
Attn Mods: it's a joke.
No, you didn't.
You posted Rockjaw's tweet, and then had your own addition before you ninja edited:
"To those thinking of this game I beg you to do your research. If there were a full NDA lift tommorow I would not hold back on my negative reviews and I will leave it there. This is not trolling, but please look into this game hard."
Your entire intention for creating this thread was to try and push potentially interested people away.
Yes generally but as this is EA/Bioware this is clearly a case of 'greed' and a conspiracy to shield the free thinking world from the truth about their terrible vaporware game. I think that's the general spittle anyway :P
it's sad when people define themselves by hate really....
This looks like a job for....The Riviera Kid!
Dobey is the real Voldemort. The other guy turns out to be an imposter. He's actually old man Dithers from down the street, trying to scare people away so he can buy Hogwarts for cheap. And he woulda got away with it if it hadn't been for those meddling kids...
mmm.. was bad quoting if you weren't privy to my internal dialogue I grant you, but whose fault is that really.
For clarification I was directing my comment at the person you quoted, I also 'in my head' said it sarcastically for what can only be described as hilarious comedic value, a fair amount of which has been lost in this explaination.
Edit: was expecting Shaggy in link, Eddie better
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The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
They couldn't do that, or the pre order hype meter will fall. They need those sales before the full truth is out there and they're posting to the community what great things are coming to fill the holes.
They could be clverly disquised RP'rs!?!? Sith are really big on the hate and passion thing.
Thinfoilhat or not. I hope these seemingly "trusted by BioWare press sites" have the balls to give the facts the way they are (good or bad). There's no denying that these "trusted press sites" will benefit from this approach... all pageviews from ppl looking for any info will go to the select few websites (= lots of advertisement income = lots of money).
And the last time I checked, any business evolves around money (defenitly that of these "professional/trusted" press sites).
Wait what is this thread about I still don't know what is going on.
Bioware is dropping the NDA for a select few press sites?
Or dropping the NDA for specific events that happened recently?
WTH?
It's easy.
They said that if you are a bigg press site and you got a personal note that you are currently under "EMBARGO" then you can release your info when the embargo is lifted. Looks like that will be tomorrow... Or no.. that's today actually.
Anyway... anyone else who knows something about the game (because of being a tester) and thinks he should share that with the world... whell... they should just shut up and be quiet.
However, I don't understand why testers couldn't confirm or deny any new widespread information about SW:ToR. There's still confusion about that...
Because it echos patterns of past MMO releases such as AOC, which held its cards close to its chest like this and people ended up getting stung, and now with Bioware acting what appears the same way to many, it's making people take care before they put their money down this time.
I see only 4 pages.....by mod edited out all the trash?
How much WoW could a WoWhater hate, if a WoWhater could hate WoW?
As much WoW as a WoWhater would, if a WoWhater could hate WoW.
Also, the press has to agree with a long-winded PDF-style agreement as to what they can and cannot talk about.
Sarcasm is not a crime!