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Isic
Member Posts: 15
in Everquest II
I am starting to have doubts.
Was it worth to spend my hard earned euros on this game? I mean, everbody is like WoW this and WoW that.. I saw some samples of WoW.. Is it just me or is the graphic better then that of EQ2 and the buildings cooler? The game that I ordered *EQ2* should arrive in a few days.
To make this Topic meaningfull,.....
NAME THE THINGS THAT MAKE EQ2 BETTER THEN WOW!!!
*cheers* 
:ps: I haven't play WoW yet...
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Yep Ive played both and both have faults, NEITHER of them live up to the hype. Personally I'd wait for Vanguard.
Now why would you expect either to live up to "hype"? All of WoW's hype came from the playerbase, and most of EQ II's did as well. If you fell into the hype bandwagon instead of just waiting to see what the end product actually held you would have been better off. Thats why I wont read the Dark and Light forums right now, people talk about it as if they have already played it and its set in stone.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Im just warning the OP not to expect the be all and end all of mmorpgs playing either game, that's all. I never fall onto any bandwagon rofl, "I would have been better off" LOL that is such a platitude its not even worth rebuking.
Yup, all these people who constantly expect the be all and end all of gaming just set themselves up for one disappointment after another. And this bit about religiously believing that the next game coming out is going to be the messiah of gaming is just silly. What these games are is simply good games ... if you approach it that way and put some effort in, there are quite a few darn good games out currently, with EQ2 certainly being one, IMHO.
As for which graphics you'll like better, Isic, well, ain't nobody can tell you that since it's completely personal taste ... and they are, ahem, *totally* different. But heck, you can see the shots on the websites. What do you like ... artsy saturated color cartoon style or realism ... your call.
I have played both games, each over a month. I have got to say that neither of them really met my expectations.
The bottom line that I made about a month ago was this
X is for
X=The game
WoW-Less experienced mmorpg players; Casual players; WC fans
EQII-Upper casual to hardcore mmorpg players; EQlive fans
"Whoever controls the media controls the mind..-'Jim Morrison"
"When decorum is repression, the only dignity free men have is to speak out." ~Abbie Hoffman
anyways, I am sorry to hijack your post like that Isic, I would say you would enjoy the hell out of either, I have played WoW some and currently play EQ II and I LOVE it. Very good game, very well thought out. Tons and TONS of content to go through.
I would wager to say WoW is about the same, but I think you will be very happy with EQ II.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
me too unfortunately, i wish i didnt, but I did. And I wasted my money on both, they both were very fun for the first month, then after that, I couldnt stand either of them. Anyways, Im going for face of mankind now, looks very interesting, new, and promising, I cant wait.
Oh, heavens NO! Not another EQ2 vs WoW thread!
Many of my friends are playing EQ2 and loving it. I am playing WoW and loving it. Just pick a game and be happy with it until you get tired of it, and then play the other one, or play something else entirely. It's a game, you're not getting married to it.
(My apologies. I'm just so freakin' burned out on these meaningless comparisons, especially when the things that make one person love one game are the kind of things that make another person hate it. My friends in EQ2 are all hyped on having reorganized themselves into a guild that they feel is achieving more than they did in EQ1. As for me, I am glad I am not over there getting left behind. )
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This is where I draw the line: __________________.
Depending on your playstyle pick any :
- I wanna RAID ----- Go for EQ1.
- I wanna PvP ------- Go for DAoC.
- I want the focus of the game to be GUILDS ------ go for EQ2.
- I want an incoherant world ------ Go for WoW.
- I wanna Group, group, group, group, group, group and group more! ------ Go for FF XI.
- I love soloing, but love the option to group ------ Go for CoH.
My favorite! 
I didnt try any other MMORPG so I will refrain to tell anything about them. For peoples that wonder why I put incoherent beside WoW...solo is casual and earn casualness, groups levels faster but have no reason to group other then save time VS soloing longer, raiding is the way to overall uberness, however it is glicthed to a point I dont laugh anymore, PvP is a joke, tradeskilling is dumbed down and kinda enforced on players no matter if they like or not tradeskilling, the game is simplified on every aspect, from having 2 sides only, to having 4 races X 2 only, 6 class only(D&D have 7 prior been AD&D 1st edition), you can be maxed so FAST that they should not even have bother with levels and make you start maxed, both diablos are more hardcore then WoW(a diablo toon level 60 is more work then a WoW toon 60), at least if each WoW servers would have a difficulty setting and this was noobish setting, then maybe the game could have some interest...I have to find 1 nice thing in WoW beside it ''noob friendly'' approach, I see none, WoW can die and I will not shed a tear.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
See, this is the point I was making before in another thread. I have been playing WoW for over a month and I only have 2 characters in the high teens, and none have even hit 20. My husband has played slightly more and has one character that's 26 or 27. If you're the kind of person who is going to play hard and plow through, then it really isn't the game for you. If you are casual, don't play all that much, and just want to do some quests and feel good about finishing them, then WoW might be your game.
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This is where I draw the line: __________________.
But...you can please the noobs and make them feel uber without screwing everything else!
To me, a game that cost $15 a month and that is easier then Diablo, that I complete faster then Diablo, is really not worth it! WoW would be fine, as a single RPG with no monthlee fees. I feel insulted about that monthlee fees on something I would have complete within the free month trial period, especially if you add high end out of solo or group reach that is equally fast to obtain! And I dont talk about peoples who powerlevel, I dont believe in powerleveling at the expense of fun, but I do play 80 hours a week, so if I am done with your game content within 320 hours, there is a serious issue there if you plan on charging monthlee fees! And I hate raiding and PvP, so nothing you put about raiding or PvP will keep me busy 1 moment, it need to be solo or grouping and letting me pick if possible between those 2. After 15 hours I was level 10 and level 8, this is 1 day, from reading others, it was clear I would have hit the 60 way before the month and come clashing with a must raid dimwit setting LOL.
To many devs think in a bypolar way, please 1 group or the other, Vanguard is the only game with server rules, the only game that can please to more then 1 group of players.
Vanguard is thereby, 1 league ahead of everyone else. They may fail miserably and I may turn to hate their game eventually, but they may succeed. I will be pretty happy to see a ''Noob'' server in Vanguard where everyone level 20 times faster and see noobish features, I would not care, I would not play there(maybe would test stuff there however), and so good if they have 50 such servers, all the better for the noobs and for me! Why would I play on the harder server? 1 - challenge, 2 - I will need a tiny motivation, I admit, not in raw stats and powers, maybe the noobish server dont have a hardcore very hellish set of mobs and dungeons or something, so if you want to kill mobs of a type, you cant do it on the noobish server, or something, it dont need to be big, it dont need to make a noob feel shafted, but it need to give me that little extra motivation. Would the noobs complain? Yeah prolly, but they have the same items and stats, the same uberness, much faster, they dont have access to some features on the noobs servers. Nicest thing of all, put raiding at the other end and I wont enter those features and I will rule outside of the raiding world. Would hardcore folks like me complain? Likely. Will raiders complain, likely. Will everyone find it worth their time and investment and feel accomplishing things, YES!
As long as everyone have the same gear inside the game, the harder setting server could freely be allowed to hop to easier setting servers to play with friends there under particuliar rules. So every servers could be linked together, so your noobs friends know on which noob server they can hope to see you hop from time to time, been no stronger then them there(same gear but on harder stuff to earn it, but they level 20 times faster hehe)...and you can talk about the crazy extra zones on the harder servers in the same time...
You can even send an obligation to everyone to start on a noobish server before opening the others more hardcores servers...and upon entering those new hardcores servers, you have a description as to why it is hardcore and casuals shoudl be weary about trying those seriously. Yup, the undermountain is not availale except on some precise servers, which is all the reason for some folks to go and level up there. As long as the noobish server have plenty content, I will never cry myself if I cant access dragonlands where raiding is king, so a noob that complain about not reaching the hard undermountain(or whatever the zones of hardcores to be), is only a cry baby that you should not really bother with, they have 90% of the content of the game, they have every item on those noobs servers, they want the hardcore stuff, now it is gonna be a hell of a challenge, they really want it bad? They can be hardcore, or be quiet. Heck, Hardcores raiding and grouping servers could be different and self exclusive of each other zones if you want and developp it nicely, althought I would not mind at all if raiders are just higher the chain, the more challenge(and pain) to them, whatever way they want, I will be happy and uber in undermountain myself! But please, oh please...make it so that n those hardcore grouping servers(and/or soloing, I love both, love the option to solo when I cant find a group or dont have time to find a group) I can always grind more and enjoy it!!! Dont make me reach a point where I am maxed, no matter how much raiders want a limit, a limit kill my grouping interest, you can make a partial limit, beyond that it dont help in raiding zones, fine, but no limit in grouping and soloing please!
When you put features at the expenses of others is when you make a mistake that will cost you dearly. WoW is already on the decreased! No availability of the boxs is a nice way to put it in for decline.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
All, I can say is that I'm giving WoW the good ol' two-fisted go around once again and it's turning out to be quite a blast to play. I'd say WoW is the better game after playing both, casual or hard-core. This is from someone who was biased toward the EQ2 camp not too long ago.
SOE looks to be really trying hard to retain people, though, with the latest announcements and code updates already pushed out to Test. So I'd imagine in a couple months both games will be quite compelling in their own ways, if they aren't compelling to you already.
SOE have good marketing. But after few months then you won't see any EQ2 on the shelves because nobody want to buy this game.
I bought EQ2 from a shop they have only 3 copies to sale at that time. I bought it after two weeks after released. The shop sold me the last copy.
Since then until now, this shop do not have any EQ2 on shelf.
I heard EQ2 new price is $29,95. I paid $70 to buy a basic version.
This was my first time playing SOE game and I think it will be also my last time playing SOE game.
But playing MMO is cheaper than to buy 1-2 games to play every month. I bought Leisure Suit Larry 7 $70 but the game only have 6-7 hours playing time.
I bought Grand Theft Auto-San Andereas $90 but I don't like the game so much.
I bought Total War-Rome $70 the cheat code only able to use one time then I have to restart the game to use cheat code again. I found if I play one hour, there were 45 minutes spent on restarting the game.
I am looking forward to play some repuated company like Ensemble Studio, Turbine ...to produce a fun and quality game. If you want to see truly amazing graphics go take a look at
http://www.ensemblestudios.com/Age3SS0.html
Enlarge the picture then you can see what is the latest graphics technology adapt to PC game. They are the leader in PC game graphics, I believed.
[quote]Originally posted by Larry2298
[b]SOE have good marketing. But after few months then you won't see any EQ2 on the shelves because nobody want to buy this game.
I bought EQ2 from a shop they have only 3 copies to sale at that time. I bought it after two weeks after released. The shop sold me the last copy.
Since then until now, this shop do not have any EQ2 on shelf.
I heard EQ2 new price is $29,95. I paid $70 to buy a basic version.
This was my first time playing SOE game and I think it will be also my last time playing SOE game.
But playing MMO is cheaper than to buy 1-2 games to play every month. I bought Leisure Suit Larry 7 $70 but the game only have 6-7 hours playing time.
I bought Grand Theft Auto-San Andereas $90 but I don't like the game so much.
I bought Total War-Rome $70 the cheat code only able to use one time then I have to restart the game to use cheat code again. I found if I play one hour, there were 45 minutes spent on restarting the game.
I am looking forward to play some repuated company like Ensemble Studio, Turbine ...to produce a fun and quality game. If you want to see truly amazing graphics go take a look at
[url=http://www.ensemblestudios.com/Age3SS0.html]
Enlarge the picture then you can see what is the latest graphics technology adapt to PC game. They are the leader in PC game graphics, I believed.
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whatever you are on, I suggest you quit very soon before it completely kills your brain. Soon it won't be on the shelves cause no one wants it? Are you kidding me, does that even SOUND realistic for any even MODERATLY successful MMO? How old is UO now, just had an expansion pack put out for it? There are PLENTY of EQ II boxes on shelves in stores here in america, and they aren't going away anytime soon.
BTW, its down to $30 USD (america dollars). If you paid $70 for it in america money I am very sorry, but you got robbed.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Hiya all..
thx for replying to my topic!
I see that it depends on what kind of style ur into for a game to be fun for u or not... From what I can gather, WoW is for the kids and newbies who wants a game to be as easy and tender as possible. Personaly I like harder games and games wich encourage grouping, but also enable solo playing and give a clear view of what to do next.
For instance.. I recently played Ragnarok online and I must say that in the beginning it was pretty darn fun except for the fact that if ur not a part of a decent group, u will expierence a world of hurt. I couldn't find a decent group so the fun ended early for me. Also u have no idea what to do next and where everything might be, but nevermind this.
Oke that was all I have to say.. well bu bey!!!
I've noticed the phrases "hard" and "group is required" are often thrown around as reasons that a game is good. I don't think this is a coincidence. The funny thing is that if you put them together, you have defined the entire challenge of these types of games: "The hard part is that a group is required."
Nothing like taking someone's words and rearranging them to say what you want to dispute
What he actually said was "Personaly I like harder games and games wich encourage grouping, but also enable solo playing and give a clear view of what to do next." Note the "and".
dont be an asshole and call people who play WoW noobs or kids....i'm neither....just because i'm not like you dosnt mean i'm beneath you....
and i do like my games tender....and WoW isnt necessarily that "easy"....try doing yur quests on horde side in Tarren Mill PvP server....getting ganked by a pally while yur killing something.....getting lost on yur first trip to badlands....raiding...earning 90g for yur mount at lvl 40...
dont mistaken accesibility for weakness....
I played WoW for 2.5 months and have played EQ2 for about three weeks now.
I would say that WoW is designed for casual gamers who want to play 15 or so hours a week and still make progress, as well as for gamers that are new to the MMO genre. Blizzard designed it this way so as to make it accessible for their large WC fanbase (which is not mostly an MMO player fanbase). it is a lot of fun at the earlier levels, it gets less fun (or at least it did for me) at the higher levels, and there is less complexity to the game than in many other MMOs I have played (not just EQ2 but also EVE and others). So I wouldn't say that WoW is all kids and newbies ... it's designed to be accessible to newbies to MMOs, and there are a lot of kid carryovers from WC3 and battle.net, but there are also casual gamers there who play 2-3 hours a day or only a few days a week who like the game because in a 2-3 hour session they can get a sense of achievement, which is harder to do in games that are geared towards more dedicated gamers.
EQ2 so far is much more involved and harder than WoW was. Does that mean it is better? Not necessarily. I like it more because I like the complexity of the game and the world, and I also like guilds and grouping ... but some people may prefer WoW because it is simpler and less involved and easier to progress without a group. It depends on what you are looking for.
What irritates me is people who come along and say that WoW is an uber game, far better than any other MMO and the like because I think this is not true objectively. It is a very fun game, but that kind of gushing review often reflects that the game is easier to advance in, therefore the speaker enjoys it more, more than it reflects a great game design and a game that has staying power, in my own opinion. I think both games are good, but they are each designed for a different kind of player in terms of time commitment, interest in/tolerance for complexity, interest in/tolerance for grouping and so forth.
I was being more general than anything. Had nothing to do with that person's point. I just seem to hear that a lot.
EDIT: To clarify, hard doesn't have to always mean needing a group. That tends to be what folks think, though. If you can solo, then the game must be easy. The word mincing was just a fun thing.
Yeah, I understand your point
I was having fun too 
For some people I do think there's sort of a presumption that the more people it takes to do something, the tougher it must be. This, of course, is not true. I've been on innumerable 70+ person raids that boiled down to being a lot easier that some soloing I've done. Hell I was on plenty of them where I put my cleric on auto-follow and sat back drinking and chatting until we hit the boss mob.
My friend told me he has very good time playing WOW especially PvP. We were talking about WOW yesterday. He said it's really tricky in PvP.
He encounting a horde rouge who was 5 levels below him, he play druid. I think he is level 38 something. So the rougue wave him from distant and he response with bow then left.
He fought with mobs but he did not pay attention to the neighborhood, after he kill the mobs, he found the rougue sneak behind him while his health left than half.
Just when he turn around, the rougue backstab him and following with combo hit and finishing move, he can't even resist or get time to healing himself. He died.
He is druid so he has very good stealth so he often hide in certain area to ambush the other people passing by. When the other people see him, he hit with dazzling spell to stun them for 4 seconds then with few hits they died.
The crafting in WoW is guaranteed as long as you have the resources then you will not fail in crafting. But it is difficult to get resources.
I am crafting in EQ2 everyday and I barely get pristine item. It is really piss me off. I found the crafting is even more difficulty after Feb 1 updates.
I know more than half of AC2 player went to WOW. And believe me, AC2 players are mostly hardcore and veteran players and the guild is really strong.
AC2 is either solo or group play all up to you at the time I played. And, there was a quest taking about 6-8 hours to be finished to make sure everyone get their loot. We all make sure everyone got his loot, no one left. No excuse. This is normal in AC2 group play. Most people help each other.
You want to meet hardcore players then you might need to try WOW.
Well the PvP servers in WoW are a different animal. You can't compare them really to EQ2 because EQ2 is not a PvP game and won't be soon. If you like PvP and want PvP WoW is probably a better choice because it has PvP! Also, if you choose a PvP server in WoW expect to be ganked repeatedly when you leave the newbie zones, because that is a major part of the game on the PvP servers, and a reason why people are attracted to them. I'm not knocking that (it's not generally my cup of tea but it's okay from time to time) but it's a very different game than the typical MMORPG because it is much more focused on ganking. Also the classes are not well balanced for PvP at the moment ... rogues have a significant advantage on "offiensive PvP" due to stealth and backstab and general ability to DPS in a very unbalanced way, while Paladins have a significant advantage in "dcefensive PvP" because they have several skills that make them very, very hard to kill. So on the PvP servers you tend to see a lot of rogues and Paladins. :-)
It's not reallly difficult to get resources. Skinners can get resources easily when they hunt ... the only issue is inventory space, not getting resources. Herbalism (my gathering skill) was also easy enough if you keep- your herb radar on when you are questing you will find a lot of herbs here and there ... and mining is the same. And if you actually go on a herb hunting and/or mining trip to gather for a few hours once you've played a bit and know where the resources are, you can gather a ton of them in a few hours. Secondaries are the same ... I had saved a bunch of different kinds of cloth as drops from mobs for a while, and as a result when I wanted to do it I was able to go from "0" to "artisan" in first aid in about 3-4 hours one Saturday morning. I was like "Give me a break, Blizzard". Honestly the crafting system in WoW was very, very easy and involved no interaction, no thought or complexity at all. Get the materials, place them in your inventory, hit "create all" and have a sandwich. That aspect of the game was one of the most disappointing for me, really. Blizzard made it that way because they wanted to make the game accessible to a wider audience and knew that most of that wider audience was interested in killing mobs, not crafting (at least not a complex crafting system type crafting) so they gave the game an easy crafting system. Very disappointing for a player like me, but for most players who don't want to get that into crafting anyway it's no big deal ... probably a good decision by Blizzard but to me it made the game more dumbed-down.