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MO update 2011-11-15
deathshroud
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http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/68704-update-2011-11-15-a.html#post1231903
Update from henrik on the current status of TC and the beta version of the territorial map and player statistics launched.
IMO both are a welcome addition to the game, i think it will be interesting to see who tops the leader boards after TC launch.
there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.
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Just in case there was ANY doubt left that what is left of Mortal Online is much closer to a FPS shooter/deathmatch than a sandbox... Henrick brings us THE LEADERBOARD:
I really don't know what else to say except... WTF!?!?!
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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WTF? More like "what's the big deal"?
This is a non sequitur: data mining and publishing of this type has nothing to do with whether or not a game is a sandbox. As an example, the support CCP provides to making killboards does not invalidate EvE as a sandbox either. Same with these boards and MO. The conclusion simply does not follow from the premise. This goes without even mentioning that several of the categories listed on the page have nothing to do with a deathmatch (i.e. Sophistication, Mercantile, etc).
I agree with Deathshroud, in that it should be interesting to be able to see the results on the Chronicle once this goes live. I'm probably even more interested in watching as the Political Map takes shape, and changes over time.
Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.
Kind of reminds me of Darkfalls leaderboards, but without the hackers always on top of the list.
Anyways, This is going to be THE patch. I mean this will probably be more important to Mortal than the Dawn expansion.
Never trust a screenshot or a youtube video without a version stamp!
Agree that its almsot a guarantee its gonig to be better than the dawn expansion but the horse gene system is ingame horses have different stats and physical appearance based on what species they are. But it certainly needs more work. I remember the devs saying itwould be like shadow of the collosus but in reality its a very poor imitation due to how buggy the animations are.
I disagree though that these "leader" boards will result in an increase in mindless griefing since most require pp points earned through guild activites and many non pvp focused stats like crafting and sofistication. Its a simple tool to promote more player driven content in MO setting yourself you own goals. Something that is prefectly welcome i cant see a single way it could influence the game in a bad way.
there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.
I guess the real question here is not how many cool features TCis going to bring to the table- The REAL question is how many of them will be turned off or not working a week after it releases? SV's track record tells me there will be many features not properly working which will have to be fixed at a later date.
The problem is, the back burner is filled with "features" that are waiting to be fixed at a later date... So anything that does not work right will not really make it in "game" until UI is fixed, Ai and pathfinding implemented, FAILED bug fixed, Mail system fixed, breeding (that "revolutionary" system DAWN was going to bring us, etc, etc,.
Now, SV told us that TC would be the quickest feature to add. So assume that everything else will take much longer. Some might never make it in game (like a Certain Capital city).
So Sv can hype TC with a million features, great ideas and glorious honey coated sugar cakes... But what is REALLY going to be there a week from TC's launch? That , my friends, is the question. =P
Yeah its THE patch, is it going to be MO 3.0 ?
No, its nothing at all, just another patched which has been hyped beyond reason and will utterly fail after being delayed for months...
You never learn do ya?
sv never said the breeding system would be released with the dawn expansion to my knowledge. They did say it would come after dawn but luckily they realised theres more important features needed urgently if the game is to survive until its next expansion.
If this patch was simply adding the breeding system mo would probably be dead and buried
-raff your th one saying it might be mo 3.0 nobody else. Its just a content patch with a highly requested feature.
there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.
Oh god. They stil haven't released Tindrem or whatever that city was called? Come on, really?
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SV and the fanboys have a very selectve memory..They also love to play word games and semantics . They also love to take quotes from Devs and claim 'that wasnt official because..." excuse after excuse after excuse.
Yes, breeding (which Henrik hyped the hell out of and called revolutionary) was the whole point behind the "genetic system". There is no need for a "genetic system" without breding. Its easy to give random stats to horses/animals within a certain spec without needing genetics.
It was another "its coming soon"/ "must be done in a certain order"/ "gunna be epic"/ "wait and see" moment when it was being hyped...Now that it isnt in after MONTHS it is being "forgortten" and "not really that important" and "there are other things we need to work on"....In another few month (if MO survives) it will be "what breeding system?" or "yeah, he said it but it wasnt official"
These patterns of behavior by SV and its fans/bots is very easy to spot after a bit. Its the same song and dance since release.
you claim its people like me who are blind, but it wasnt me who was fooled it was you guys because i never take a developers word as gospel. There is no denying that SV have alot of stuff to work on and many of it more important than breeding. Theres certainly a good chance that breeding would never get added to the game along with things like hot and cold systems etc that are ambitious but unrealistic given the current state of the game and always will be a possibility but never a dead cert.
With so many features to add the best thing to do is add those that have an effect and will be enjoyed by the largest % of the population and not the ones that affect a small few. So some play styles will get burned or felt a little left out but its crucnh time for mo and the devs have to start thinking smart if they want it to survive. I was never under any sort of impression or pretence that everything they claimed was coming would ever get implemented. That was you guys....
Tindrem still hasnt been added and quite honestly it isnt something i particularly care about, im skeptical that it will ever get implemented or not but im not gonig to feel burned over it, theres plenty of other content like Territory Control that most look forward to more.
its a safe bet to say territroy control will be buggy, but unlike dawn once its patched there is actually some content there for palyers to stay entertained with for a long time.
there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.
Death buddy- First off, a simple question. IF there is "so many things to work on which are more important than breeding" (I agree, btw) WHY for the love of God, did they waste time hyping breeding and making a now useless Genetic system????
This is kinda the whole point- Tons of shit needs to be worked on , tons of features turned off/not implemented/ tons and tons of bugs and the descision was made to put in a super complex genetic system which is entiorely useless. How many manhours do you think went into that genetic system which is never going to be used....
Never said YOU were blind either... The point is, look at how much time was wasted and hype given about the geneic system which is useless without breeding (and there is "more important things to fix/add than breeding")- Now we are adding another complex system which IF/when it doesnt work, will it ALSO be put on the back burner with the other features which do not work???????
EDIT: The "back burner" is so piled up with things which either are not woprking or need fixed that its insane to keep trying to pump out complex shit when the basics are not fixed or working... All that will happen with TC is that the "back burner" will get more issues which will be fixed "sometime"....
Dude, the FAILED bug is STILL THERE. Sv is adding TC when players STILL die to invisible players during 20 man combat.
Looks like Massively.com has picked up on the update, though they have wrongly attributed it to the Dawn expansion:
http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/11/16/mortal-online-introduces-political-map-chronicles-of-nave/
Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.
they made around 2 unoffical posts on breeding, i wouldnt call it hype tbh but your interpretation of hype is your own i guess. But i guess they didnt expect to be fixing all the bugs from dawn for the next 2 months thats probably why they thought there would be time to add breeding in. Regardless though ive dealt with plenty of indie companies before when buying their products and i was expecting the worst from the minute i pressed the pre-order button in beta i have to say i had hopes for it as something akin to elder scrolls but i wasnt completely disapointed when it wasnt upon playing it. I never baught into all the hype before release so i wasnt disapointed.
I enjoy playing the game when i play it and i look forward to the game getting better and theres plenty of room for that. Im not distraught over their past mistakes becuase i expect them to make mistakes. I play because i enjoy it and when i stop enjoying it ill stop playing.
there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.
There goes the "unofficial" excuse.
Henrik the CEO tells us that breeding is going to be "revolutionary" but...It was unofficial, lolz. SV has had bugs to fix after every single patch. SV has put bugs/features they could not fix on hold after every patch... But they didnt "know" they would be bug fixing after DAWN? They put a complex mechanic for genetics into the expansion and wasted their time, why???
Oh, and it wont happen again, right? This time its being tested right??? Heard that before (but maybe it was not "official")
it is going to happen again tc will be buggy, maybe indie developed mmos are somthing you should stay away from in future picklebeast.
there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.
I love indie game brother. I can deal with bugs...
This is another "word game" you guys like to play- Your statement makes it sound as if MO's failure is totally normal for "indie games"- Another word game you guys use is "All MMO's have bugs" or "An MMO is never finished"... All these points are valid BUT we are talking about extremes the likes of which I have never seen- Indie game or otherwise.
MO is in a category of suck- All by itself. Not because its an "indie" game, or a "sandbox" (which it isnt btw) or "hardcore"- Its in its own category of suck because of the extreme incompetence and bad descisions by its staff and CEO coupled with the inability to program a working game by its devs.
why would i be making it up, or using key words? it doesnt make sense. Am i misleading people by tricking them into playing a free trial? and if this should lead to them actually liking the game are my evil plans complete? you make it out as if im in the wrong defending a game i enjoy playing. Theres no secret to the current state of the game and those tempted to try it can easily check the forums, reviews, youtube videos, screenshots and the free trial. There is no trick there are no key words its all just me liking a game and you disliking a game. You claim them to be key words because they actually do have at least some small relevance behind them and you dont want to hear it.
yet i have had more fun playing mo, than 5 or more polished well made mmo titles that fail to make a game that offers something i havent seen already. Its a sad world were only indie developers take risks whilst the big companies sit back and wait for some small indie company to have some success before copying it. Not saying anynoe is going to copy MO but its a game that took risks and one i enjoy regardless of the plethora of bugs and the incompetance of its developrs they actually made something fun for a change.
there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.
I agree completely.
There simply isn't any other game that does what Mortal Online does. It's awesome.
Never trust a screenshot or a youtube video without a version stamp!
Personally quite excited about all of this.
I guess when the first Red walks down the main street of Meduli - unimpeded - we'll have a different game on our hands.
Can't think of another game where there are Player controlled cities in this way. As in you can switch off guards and turn it Red or re-capture a town and ejoect a whole guild.. the mind boggles.
I wonder if they'll change Meduli as a starting location for noobs. Would be tough to log in and get yer head chopped off.
Guess they're thinking about that tho.
Page looks like it could do with some art on it - ti's too plain.
Another Issue with MO is ppl think it's empty - there was like a 35 player zerg riding around couple of days ago.. I only saw it 'cos one of them was kind enough to stop, get off his horse and splut-kill me. So I think stats is a good idea because ppl will be able to see what's happening when they can't be there themsleves, that the world is not empty and there is action going on - even if they're not good enough or in the right place to be involved in it yet.
Nice, no?
"In MO, even the haters are hardcore!" - ltank
As bad as DF is MO is in no position to shittalk it.
The only possibly unique thing in MO is forced first person view, and that is because there is no demand for it. Every other feature is available in other games, in a form that actually works - unlike in MO.If you think there are a myriad of unique features in MO, please list them. You have tried before and have failed every time. Oh, and a feature is something that is actually ingame, so things like the gene system are out.
I can, even a game where city control is done by elections with the Mayor able to do a LOT more than just turn guards on and off.
Happy to be able to enlighten you on yet another non-unique feature in MO. Oh and of course those features work in other games, let's wait and see if SV has learnt to properly develop software yet.
It's not the absolute uniqueness of individual features, it's the combination that's unique, and is what gives MO a signature sandbox feel. Nothing else is quite like it. TC will make it better.
Every time I've seen the attempted debunking, systems from multiple games are pulled. This would be fine, if games worked like a buffet, where a player could pick and choose systems from several games and mash them together. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way.
MO rolls FPV, FPS-style combat, full loot, meaningful crafting, building, taming, thieving, hunger, and other elements together in a sandbox context in a way that no other single MMORPG does. Enhancing the territorial control system in the way they are planning should just make that sandbox experience better.
Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.
Heres a list of features that together provide a unique gaming experience
mo has multiple hit boxes 5 in total (cant think of another mmo with it tbh)
mo has directional blocking and attacking, no mmo has a similar melee combat system to mo (imo its superior to any other mmo)
mo has first person view only
mo is seamless (allthough those annoying nodelines would have you beleive otherwise) and has full loot full pvp, but with guard zones providing some relative safety to those who do not wish to fight,
mo has actual skill restrictions on characters meaning you cant be a jack of all trades and must rely on other people to fully have access to all aspects of the game. Something darkfall would of been better off with.
MO has non combat focused proffesions, like structure building, resource gathering, armor, weapon shield or bow crafting, taming, cooking, alchemy, fishing. thievery.
MO has good looking 3d graphics that rival even high production mmos.
Show the community another mmo with all that in it and we will stop saying mo is a nuique gaming experience.
there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.
I know!
Just look at what leaderboards did to City of Heroes, wtf was SV thinking.
I mean, I can't even play city of heroes anymore because of the leaderboards, it's nothing but a shooter now!
Nevermind the fact that a lot of what the chronicle tracks has nothing to do with PvP. But I'll fall for it, obviously MO is just another shooter. Activision better look out.
so i spend all my time not being subbed to it? and henrik is rolling in my money? dont you see the contradiction there? i have as of yet not had a month were i havent had an active subscription in MO. I have howerver had 2 free months for winning contests on the offical forums.
im not saying any individual feature is unique (which there are some) but that the features together create a very unique gaming experience and according to you the best thing i should do is play, huxley, wurm, wow, eve and darkfall combined to sate my desire for MO's unique gaming experience erm no thanks.
Often you make it out as if i havent been playing the game since early beta. I know the game i know what i like about it and what i dont and i have played quite alot of fantasy and sandbox mmos to know that MO as a game is unique. So please dont tell me how the game plays like as if i dont know. Most of oyu havent played for over a year raff.
Im also very vocal on the game and most people respect me for telling it how it is, im actually quite critical of it but in a constructive way and anyone reading my regular posts on the offical forums would see that, you all try to write me off as a fanboy which is not true in order to continue your hate campaign un-challenged. But i find it easy to side with those being wronged and i beleive its gone way past you being disatisfied with a product you purchased considering many of you were refunded.
Now your using any excuse to try to justify someone liking a game you detest, Stockholm syndrome
, i guess you cant understand the thought of people being different and that we arent all clones of each other forced to enjoy the exact same things.
there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.