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Its funny how many of you dont understand my post. I am not trying to tell you not to play the game, if you enjoy it you should play it. This thread was born because so many ppl deny that SWTOR is pretty much another Wow experience. Just read this thread, lot of you already acknowledged that it is in fact feels like another wow (or any other themepark mmo before it). I just wanted ppl to admit this so that noone gets their hopes up too high that this game is much different than the rest, because it is not.
doesn't matter if it's WoW clone or not. SWTOR is great themepark mmo. if you love theme park and good story and star wars then this game is for you. but if you hate thempark or skip dialogue you are asking for trouble even trying it. i understand just like everything in life you either hate it or love it pure and simple.
No we understand your post that is why find it funny. Putting 'wake up call' in title as some kind of declaration for those who are waiting for SWTOR and repeating the same old done to death 'it is just like WOW' argument...jeeez wonder why so many are not taking your post seriously. Here is an idea, beta weekend is coming up and anyone can grab a key and try it and see it for themselves.
%100 agreed
It is actually different than the rest, otherwise we'd just be playing "the rest." That's what you don't seem to understand. A game can be modeled after another tried and true formula and still be "different." WoW doesn't deliver a story. WoW doesn't allow you to make choices on how you complete quests. WoW doesn't have companions that you can actually gear up like regular player characters, craft for you, send to sell of your vendor trash items, send on missions for you. WoW doesn't have open world dungeon areas. WoW doesn't have heroic areas in every zone filled with elites. WoW doesn't have the feeling of immersion that comes from having massive, sprawling cities with spaceships flying through the air and things happening all over. WoW doesn't have FFA PvP zones. WoW doesn't have dungeons and raids with an actual storyline to them, and where the players can affect the way things play out by the decisions they make. I could go on and on and on.
That's what you don't seem to understand, and what the "WoW clone" crowd can't seem to get through their heads: A game can be similar to another game in terms of mechanics, but be completely different in how it's designed. All those things I pointed out in the above paragraph may seem like small things to you, but all those small things are actually IMPROVEMENTS over the standard themepark formula, even if they are small improvements. And all those small improvements add up to make a damn good game.
And btw, when you use the phrase "wake up call" in your title, you ARE attempting to qualify the game in some way and label it. And you most certainly are trying to sway our opinion, or at the very least, de-value it.
And playing the game for a month...is any different? Unless you are planning on playing on someone elses account, are you not still giving money to these terrible game developers?
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
i think the op is spot on with this one. the only unique thing this game has to offer is the voice acting and that is enough for about the 1st 20 hours, after that it starts to become tiresome. Other than that this game has nothing new to offer. i will be playing it as all my RL friends are going to it but i dont expect to last longer than the 1st month
If someone is talking in general chat in a language you dont understand, chances are they're not talking to you. So chill out and stop bitching about it!
Do you guys remember the hype about Warhammer, Age of Conan, Rift? A cpuple months ago everyone was like " SWTOR will be the next big mmo", check the forums now, lot of ppl who played beta started to say, "it will be a good filler", "star wars fans will play it because of the sw universe", "its like wow in space". Deja Vu for me.
One more thing, im not a hater, never said I hate the game or themepark mmos, in fact I expected a lot from Bioware and EA and this game to be exact, just didnt happen. My problem is still the ppl who will not admit that this game should be a lot more then it turned out to be.
Bah, you're all losing sight of the truth here. I mean, seriously, how can you all fail to see the obvious solution to all of this?
Clearly, what we need is a new MMO. One that utilises an extremely popular movie / literary / previous franchise IP to draw in a wider audience, one that strips away all the flaws of previous games, process this and then pumps out a refined "equation of fun". Then, we need to blanket this product in mystery and hype, during which time we will receive million of preorders and culimate in the ultimate, groundbreaking, event-of-the-millenium release.
People, /storytelling mode.
The current media anomaly present in SW:TOR is extremely similar to that which could be seen during the pre-release times of World of Warcraft. With a few minor exceptions, WoW took the flawed plans of other games and edited and mixed it all into one grand addictive "hamster wheel" formula which was scientifically proven to work (google "Skinner Box" - its a pretty 'interesting' science experiment).
However, I am afraid that it seems this anomaly can only work once. The whole concept of WoW Clone originated due to the fact that other companies, upon seeing WoW's success, not only tried to replicate this profit with smaller budgets and less polish, but basically tried to refine a refinement.
Lets look at Mathematics for our example: once you have reached the simplest form of a fraction (eg. 2/8 to 1/4], you cannot break it down into a simpler whole solution. You can break it down into decimals, but that's another mathematical sector.
The point is, EA and Bioware, despite having massive budgets and advanced technology and personell, are falling for the same catch as others have before them: they are trying to recreate and add their own personal flair to an equation that has already been perfected and used to its end - like a lifeguard trying to give CPR to a guy who's been dead for a month, if you will.
I see tons of people on this website putting this quote in their signatures, wearing it like a badge of dedication and pride -
"And if [new MMO's] break any of the WoW rules, in my book that's pretty dumb"
--Bioware Founder--
How does this make your arguments any more valid, concerning the uniqueness and innovation of TOR? If anything, this quote, coming from Bioware's FOUNDER, simply solidifies the above case: they are putting all their resources towards trying to resurrect a marketing and design strategy which has even begun to fail for the people who created it. (Blizzard itself has stated it is designing Titan to overcome WoW, and believe me, it will. Blizzard has its own legions, Bioware fans).
I also see many people in this article trying to bring the concepts of "Asian ports" and Guild Wars 2 into this discussion. The OP never stated those as the main topics of his post. They were simply comparisions: trying to draw attention away from the main topics does not paint you in a good light, flame generals.
All of you are missing one key fact: many SWTOR promoters consistently state that the opinion of someone is instantly worthless if they have not played as a Beta Tester. This is a fallacy. As stated above, one of the pillars of SWTOR's marketing power is to draw in fans of the Star Wars IP that would not normally invest time and money into MMOs. This will be a major part of TOR's potential playerbase, and ultimately, even if their views may be slightly uninformed...
IF A CUSTOMER DOES NOT LIKE THEIR IMPRESSIONS OR INFORMATION ON A GAME, THEY WILL NOT GENERALLY BOTHER TO INVEST MONEY INTO IT. The videos, news articles and interactive website have all been constructed to try and sell the best possible image to consumers. If a person does not like the look or info of a game, then the gameplay is irrelevant: a person must have interest before they will invest in a product.
Please, my above points are valid: you simply need to look at this from an unbiased view. "The customer is always right", IS not a bulletproof concept, but if the potential customer says a game is bad, this is not a good sign. There are only so many starstruck Beta Testers and investigative gamers in the world: casuals are the key to success, and that is economic fact.
Sincerely,
Zillen
I'm really sick of the whole "There's a massive fanbase for X", or "Y would be a WoW-killer if it just had a chance".
There is no massive conspiracy waiting in the MMO playerbase.
There are no "sleeper-agent fans" waiting to convert once the X or Y is unleashed on the world.
Yeah your post is also a deja vu for me. And never said you are a hater but please esxcuse me if you find it strange that many are not taking your psot seriously. Pretty much anyone can make up their own mind by testing the game this weekend. And that is what intelligent people do make up their own decisions.
why i love how it is. i fell in love with it after testing. why expect more or less when i'm happy with current product am i missing something here. you dont like the game fine go play something else while those like myself who love it will laugh at the post and being enjoying our game dec 20th i mean dec 15th yup
Ummm, what forums are you talking about, Felyx? The mmorpg forums? I wouldn't take those too seriously. If you have access to the actual beta forums on swtor.com, you'd be getting a completely different story from people who have actually tested the game long-term. The reviews have been overwhelminly positive.
So stop spreading misinformation please. Thanks.
i'm starting to think felyx was trolling all along to be honest
So the problem is then that YOU had too high of an expectation and are now a sad little puppy because of it? Wouldn't that be YOUR fault for not realising that every single company out there over hypes there product in order to sell it? I don't label you a hater, but I can not help but label you niave here after this post.
Let me ask you this - Did you believe all the commercials about how wonderful OxyClean (or whatever is your favorite cleaning agent) is and then get disappointed when it wasn't the miracle cure for every stain out there? I didn't. I was expecting a decent product and then was very pleasantly surprised when it turned out to be a very good product and so far, the same goes for SWTOR. BioWare was pretty clear all along in what they said they were giving us. They said a traditional MMO, with some twists and a darned good story. Just so happens that I personally think the game is better than what they were actually promising.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
Well, considering this game is going to have 2.5 to 3 million units sold at launch AND has been receiving a very positive response from its beta testers, I'd say odds are pretty good that Bioware's formula is going to be pretty successful, despite your contention that something can only be improved upon and refined once (which is bullshit, btw).
That being said, the longevity of this game will be determined on what Bioware does post launch.
.... and just when i thought you have a capability of holding a decent discussion you get down to low blows. I am sorry if it disappointed you that a lot of people refuse to take your 'wake up call' seriously. But that is hardly a reason for name calling.
Haha, anyone can start a "WoW clone!" thread and get tons of haters to jump on board and agree with you on this site. Big accomplishment there, Felyx. Those two magical words are like catnip to those people. Meanwhile, the game will be a huge success despite it's lack of "innovation."
And yeah, that's gonna sting a bit.
Gotta love the "Didnt like GW1 so GW2 will be the same" answers that always crop up in these threads. How about do some research before you speak of something you dont like.
If GW2 looks like crap then I dont know what to tell you. I am not saying GW2 has the best graphics EVAR, but they most certainly dont look like crap. But again your defenition of looking good is cartoonish blocky low res character models made standard by games like WoW and SWToR so I cant help but feel like ive been trolled.
Everything you need to know about Elder Scrolls Online
Playing: GW2
Waiting on: TESO
Next Flop: Planetside 2
Best MMO of all time: Asheron's Call - The first company to recreate AC will be the next greatest MMO.
I was just wondering how come someone didn't jump in to defend GW2's honor. Thank you for not disappointing. But i find it really amusing that how fast you jump to defend GW2 but call others fanbois when they do the same with SWTOR.
Every fanboy is a hater and every hater is a fanboy when it comes to their favorite games.
Cya in GW2 when you realize half the MMO population realizes what a true immersive, ground-breaking, innovative, exporable, and content driven MMO is like.......ohh did I mention it has no sub fees?
Everything you need to know about Elder Scrolls Online
Playing: GW2
Waiting on: TESO
Next Flop: Planetside 2
Best MMO of all time: Asheron's Call - The first company to recreate AC will be the next greatest MMO.
Yeha it has no sub fees that is why i am going to play it along with SWTOR.
*chuckles*
So, do you have like a bat phone that rings every time someone has something impolite to say about GW2? You sure do show up quickly when you feel that game has been disrespected. This isn't a GW2 thread, man. There have been about 2-3 posts about GW2 on this thread, and here you are still feeling the need to jump over to a game's forum you have no intention of playing just to defend it. Sad. Thanks for the attempted hi-jack, but you should probably be heading back over to the GW2 forum to talk about non-trinity stuff and over rambunctious particle effects or whatever you guys talk about.
Alright guys, who's starting the next 100 reply post....this one's about to get locked.
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It is easy just put 'wake up call' or 'wow clone' in title. it will hit 100 posts quite easily.
lol