1. The valid reason. They dont like the effect its had on the MMO market
2. Because its popular. This is probably the most common one.
One thing thiugh, if I see someone saying 'WoW sucks' (as opposed to 'I did not like WoW', big difference) I know they are pretty ignorant and to not take anything they say seriously.
1. The valid reason. They dont like the effect its had on the MMO market
2. Because its popular. This is probably the most common one.
One thing thiugh, if I see someone saying 'WoW sucks' (as opposed to 'I did not like WoW', big difference) I know they are pretty ignorant and to not take anything they say seriously.
I'm gonna piggy back this comment because your correct,
People also hate it because other people say they hate it, it seems to me players read there opinion instead of establishing there own, so thats why you have more players hating it and not having a valid reason to do so.
Having played the SWTOR beta for over 5 months, I just subscribed back to WoW, there is nothing out there worth wild to play, gonna have t hold my breath for guild wars 2 and FFXIV 2.0
That reminds me of my best friend. He won't play WoW for a few of the reasons on the list. He actually tried the game but was complaining before he even created a character about how ugly it was. Not that I completely disagree there, I also thought it showed a lot of immaturity to constantly "are we there yet?" the whole time without even trying to see what the fuss was about. Even if I'm a harsh critic of a game, I will eventually try it and give as honest an appraisal of it as I can. He and I used to play GW1 together, until I tried WoW and got hooked on it for a few years. Since he figured WoW was for nerds with no life (once again, I may not completely disagree lol), it was dead in the water to him.
It made me so mad for years. I don't really care who does or doesn't play a game, or who does or doesn't bitch about ones they haven't even tried, but for a close friend to refuse to play something with me because of what other people are saying is a real dick move.
For further reference, he started out as a tauren and stood there complaining how dumb he looked for most of the duration. Ugh.
And now if he wanted to play it with me, I would refuse just because I'm past WoW.
1) wow adam, you're quite a polished writer for age 20. i always thought you were in your late 20s or early 30s. keep it up, man.
2) you're right about the fact that "nothing beats the first time" but i admit that, although EQ1 is my nostalgia game, i certainly did LOVE wow when i began to play it. I loved it up until I met Eve, at that point, it was like a kid who's only drank coors light finally getting their hands on something really full maybe a sam adams.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaand, now i'm thirsty.
RIP Ribbitribbitt you are missed, kid.
Currently Playing EVE, ESO
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed.
Also I dont know about everyone but I thought Vanilla WoW was a blast. Then TBC came out and it was like " man they just replaced the old formula with different item names and increased the stats on stuff. Most of the "new" mobs were just re-skinned versions of old mobs. I stopped playing just before Lich King came out so idk what that was like but I feel like people hate WoW without ever experiencing the original game. Back when it was hard to get Grand Marshal/ High Warlord, back when raids were actually challenging (ever try C'thun?), back when gear wasnt handed to you. It took me a couple weeks of raiding to get one epic (executioners blade or something, it was a 2h sword from MC) and the feeling of getting that first epic was awesome. Now? you can afk and come back to a full Tier whatever they're at now set
People knock thes egames because as long as big corps think the money is with them, that's all they will make. We (the people who paid the money first) were the original MMO'ers, and now we are being tossed to the curb. We aren't asking for much, just that WoW falls at some point so we can have some progression in the genre on multiple levels. So everyone gets what they want.
Soooo, alot of peaple are angry because before "WoW" mmo players were "rare", a special breed, non-conformists who were the free thinkers of computer gaming?
Now, since World of Warcraft came along they are common, ordinary, dime a dozen, no longer special, is that what I am hearing?
While your points hold SOME truth, mostly they are missing and just trying to spin reality to support thesis you made yourself.
So nah I don't agree in general.
Besides it does not matter, for better or worse WoW is slowly going down because of it's age if not for other reasons. Will other games be able to hold interest in mmorpg's in player's crowd that is not interested in mmorpg's just because they are mmorpg's or will they leave to other type of games - > that's another matter and thb I don't care that much , they can leave or stay for all I care.
People knock thes egames because as long as big corps think the money is with them, that's all they will make. We (the people who paid the money first) were the original MMO'ers, and now we are being tossed to the curb. We aren't asking for much, just that WoW falls at some point so we can have some progression in the genre on multiple levels. So everyone gets what they want.
Except that WoW falling has absoultely zero meaning, in fact you should want WoW to NOT fall.
WoW is already going to go down is one the most successful MMORPG of all time, and everyone quitting tomorrow wouldnt change that. The reason to not want WoW to fail is to keep people there instead of making other similar games successes.
The 'damage' is done, that gameplay got an awful lot of people to play for an awful long time and made an awful lot of money. No game that has tried to mimic WoW has succeeded, yet. Rift made a minor splash and came the closest, but I cant see most people wanting to emulate Rift's 'success'. Big initial interest, big drop off, struggling to grow again by putting in a TON of work.
If SWTOR isa big successthen the WoW gameplay will stick around longer. It wil most definitely make a HUGE initial splash and will likely be at worst a moderate success. More important is to have an outside the box thinker succeed. GW2 looks to be the hope, maybe TSW. Those games succeeding, as opposed to WoW-influenced themeparks failing, is what will move the genre again.
Or maybe some of the people who "hate" on WoW are people who previously played and loved the game, but have grown tired of it due to the direction Blizzard has taken the game. They continue to voice their displeasure because they're passionate about the game, and deep down they long for WoW to be the way it was in it's "golden" period for them, and lament the fact that the game has become to X, Y, and/or Z compared to what it once was.
That's the reason I "hate" on WoW, anyways.
Welcome to every single MMORPG in the history of the industry that has been out more than 2 years. I dont think there is even an exception to this.
Yes, and, what's your point?
Welcome to the history of the world.
Yes, everything changes eventually and there will always be people unhappy about it. That doesn't mean that their opinion is invalid and that they have no right to voice it.
I wouldn't necessarily interpret it that way. Like someone else said, I think old school MMO players are not so much mad about WoW as they are about how it's changed into something more lucrative and less challenging, to appeal to a wider audience, losing its appeal to the people who once saw it as a great step up from EQ and now have little alternative but to play the same game with people they feel are "hand fed", or just move on entirely.
WoW is a solid game, but it's a different game than it used to be, and it's spawned a great number of copycats trying to jump on the money train. Even reading my last sentence back to myself, I get slightly irritated.
I think Blizzard has bred the "entitlement mentality" into the majority of MMO-gamers and we should blame them.
When I played EQ in '99 you were in their world.(Slogan=Your in our world now), and you respected it and didnt get much in return, Alot of Corpse runs etc, but every once in a while you were rewarded with that rare weapon that shined magically. But you had to work hard for that weapon or rare drop over a long period of time.*
* not saying Sony hasnt trivialized their games over the years now either.
I am sick of WoW because ever since WOTLK the patches have been more or less the same. New patch comes with a daily quest hub (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz) a new raid, a new dungeon or two and nothing "new" in terms of features. The only arguably new feature WoW has come up with since WotlK is arguably Rated Battlegrounds. New races are neat and so are new classes, but the game needs new avenues of gameplay rather then just do bgs until you can do arenas, do arenas until your geared,do raids until you can do hard mode raids, do hard mode raids. New gameplay avenues would include: World PvP, Housing, Boats, Mini-games, dynamic content,ect.
Probably the biggest reason that I am sick of it and love to hate on it is because its OLD and is pretty much canibilizing the entire MMO genre.
OK, now I am straying off topic abit but the measuring stick for a successful mmo is not millions of subscribers, before WoW nobody had that and no one else ever has.
Any mmo that holds 250,000 or more active subs is usually considered a success and having said that I realize that it is WoW that has skewed the way we judge which games are successful.
Another problem is that we never get to see actual sub #s measured in a standard format, they all count things differently, damn accountants!
SWTOR is just like KOTOR where choices make a difference
The choices didnt make a difference in my game play. I went out of my way tobe the biggest prick I could be but the republic still loved me all the same.The choices are nice and change some of the sidequests, but for the main storyline dont seem to matter at all
I wouldn't necessarily interpret it that way. Like someone else said, I think old school MMO players are not so much mad about WoW as they are about how it's changed into something more lucrative and less challenging, to appeal to a wider audience, losing its appeal to the people who once saw it as a great step up from EQ and now have little alternative but to play the same game with people they feel are "hand fed", or just move on entirely.
WoW is a solid game, but it's a different game than it used to be, and it's spawned a great number of copycats trying to jump on the money train. Even reading my last sentence back to myself, I get slightly irritated.
Ya, I was being a bit smarmy, I apologize.
But in all reality gamers have a pretty nice choice of games because of WoW and eventually each of us will find a game to replace it.
Soooo, alot of peaple are angry because before "WoW" mmo players were "rare", a special breed, non-conformists who were the free thinkers of computer gaming?
Now, since World of Warcraft came along they are common, ordinary, dime a dozen, no longer special, is that what I am hearing?
Since that is all you gathered from my post, I doubt you will listen now, but I'll try.
I said we don't want to be special, or the majority. We just want a situation in which all parties are represented equally. I don't think this is hard to ask for. The large elephant in the room makes it difficult for other peoples opinions/ideas to be heard.
I am sick of WoW because ever since WOTLK the patches have been more or less the same. New patch comes with a daily quest hub (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz) a new raid, a new dungeon or two and nothing "new" in terms of features. The only arguably new feature WoW has come up with since WotlK is arguably Rated Battlegrounds. New races are neat and so are new classes, but the game needs new avenues of gameplay rather then just do bgs until you can do arenas, do arenas until your geared,do raids until you can do hard mode raids, do hard mode raids. New gameplay avenues would include: World PvP, Housing, Boats, Mini-games, dynamic content,ect.
Probably the biggest reason that I am sick of it and love to hate on it is because its OLD and is pretty much canibilizing the entire MMO genre.
This is mostly fair, the game took a sharp downward swing after Ulduar. At least MoP is trying to add in stuff like you were asking for. It might be too little too late.
For a game that makes a bajillion dollars its rarely updated. A game with millions of subs should have lots of different playstyles. It focuses on one - end game PVE, and makes a mockery out of another PvP. Probably my biggest gripe. Its unconscienable for a game this size to have far fewer updates than DDO.
There is no economy in WoW. Outside of enchanting an economy is doesn't exist.
Boring quest that put me to sleep. How did this catch on? How does anyone put up with it? I've reached max level once, and that is only because someone powerleveled me. I would have never lasted. Its not that the world is dull. But its not so vibrant that I can handle spending days in one area running to and fro at a snail's pace.
If one isn't in an exclusive guild one is failing. OK, most games share this problem, sadly.
Healer and tank? No? Go do some boring quest. If you don't have 2 of the least played classes in your group you have no options but to do dumb fedex quest.
I wouldn't necessarily interpret it that way. Like someone else said, I think old school MMO players are not so much mad about WoW as they are about how it's changed into something more lucrative and less challenging, to appeal to a wider audience, losing its appeal to the people who once saw it as a great step up from EQ and now have little alternative but to play the same game with people they feel are "hand fed", or just move on entirely.
WoW is a solid game, but it's a different game than it used to be, and it's spawned a great number of copycats trying to jump on the money train. Even reading my last sentence back to myself, I get slightly irritated.
I am sick of WoW because ever since WOTLK the patches have been more or less the same. New patch comes with a daily quest hub (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz) a new raid, a new dungeon or two and nothing "new" in terms of features. The only arguably new feature WoW has come up with since WotlK is arguably Rated Battlegrounds. New races are neat and so are new classes, but the game needs new avenues of gameplay rather then just do bgs until you can do arenas, do arenas until your geared,do raids until you can do hard mode raids, do hard mode raids. New gameplay avenues would include: World PvP, Housing, Boats, Mini-games, dynamic content,ect.
Probably the biggest reason that I am sick of it and love to hate on it is because its OLD and is pretty much canibilizing the entire MMO genre.
This is mostly fair, the game took a sharp downward swing after Ulduar. At least MoP is trying to add in stuff like you were asking for. It might be too little too late.
Yeah, if some of those features were in Cata I would have maybe stuck around. One other thing is all my friends quit over time.
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There are two main reasons people hate WoW
1. The valid reason. They dont like the effect its had on the MMO market
2. Because its popular. This is probably the most common one.
One thing thiugh, if I see someone saying 'WoW sucks' (as opposed to 'I did not like WoW', big difference) I know they are pretty ignorant and to not take anything they say seriously.
I'm gonna piggy back this comment because your correct,
People also hate it because other people say they hate it, it seems to me players read there opinion instead of establishing there own, so thats why you have more players hating it and not having a valid reason to do so.
Having played the SWTOR beta for over 5 months, I just subscribed back to WoW, there is nothing out there worth wild to play, gonna have t hold my breath for guild wars 2 and FFXIV 2.0
That reminds me of my best friend. He won't play WoW for a few of the reasons on the list. He actually tried the game but was complaining before he even created a character about how ugly it was. Not that I completely disagree there, I also thought it showed a lot of immaturity to constantly "are we there yet?" the whole time without even trying to see what the fuss was about. Even if I'm a harsh critic of a game, I will eventually try it and give as honest an appraisal of it as I can. He and I used to play GW1 together, until I tried WoW and got hooked on it for a few years. Since he figured WoW was for nerds with no life (once again, I may not completely disagree lol), it was dead in the water to him.
It made me so mad for years. I don't really care who does or doesn't play a game, or who does or doesn't bitch about ones they haven't even tried, but for a close friend to refuse to play something with me because of what other people are saying is a real dick move.
For further reference, he started out as a tauren and stood there complaining how dumb he looked for most of the duration. Ugh.
And now if he wanted to play it with me, I would refuse just because I'm past WoW.
1) wow adam, you're quite a polished writer for age 20. i always thought you were in your late 20s or early 30s. keep it up, man.
2) you're right about the fact that "nothing beats the first time" but i admit that, although EQ1 is my nostalgia game, i certainly did LOVE wow when i began to play it. I loved it up until I met Eve, at that point, it was like a kid who's only drank coors light finally getting their hands on something really full maybe a sam adams.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaand, now i'm thirsty.
RIP Ribbitribbitt you are missed, kid.
Currently Playing EVE, ESO
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed.
Dwight D Eisenhower
My optimism wears heavy boots and is loud.
Henry Rollins
Dude, no way, was that the boss that had that eye that wiped the raid if it saw you?
And yeah Eir_S that would be it ( not sure if its male/female) haha
People knock thes egames because as long as big corps think the money is with them, that's all they will make. We (the people who paid the money first) were the original MMO'ers, and now we are being tossed to the curb. We aren't asking for much, just that WoW falls at some point so we can have some progression in the genre on multiple levels. So everyone gets what they want.
Soooo, alot of peaple are angry because before "WoW" mmo players were "rare", a special breed, non-conformists who were the free thinkers of computer gaming?
Now, since World of Warcraft came along they are common, ordinary, dime a dozen, no longer special, is that what I am hearing?
@OP
To cut story short : NO.
While your points hold SOME truth, mostly they are missing and just trying to spin reality to support thesis you made yourself.
So nah I don't agree in general.
Besides it does not matter, for better or worse WoW is slowly going down because of it's age if not for other reasons. Will other games be able to hold interest in mmorpg's in player's crowd that is not interested in mmorpg's just because they are mmorpg's or will they leave to other type of games - > that's another matter and thb I don't care that much , they can leave or stay for all I care.
Except that WoW falling has absoultely zero meaning, in fact you should want WoW to NOT fall.
WoW is already going to go down is one the most successful MMORPG of all time, and everyone quitting tomorrow wouldnt change that. The reason to not want WoW to fail is to keep people there instead of making other similar games successes.
The 'damage' is done, that gameplay got an awful lot of people to play for an awful long time and made an awful lot of money. No game that has tried to mimic WoW has succeeded, yet. Rift made a minor splash and came the closest, but I cant see most people wanting to emulate Rift's 'success'. Big initial interest, big drop off, struggling to grow again by putting in a TON of work.
If SWTOR isa big successthen the WoW gameplay will stick around longer. It wil most definitely make a HUGE initial splash and will likely be at worst a moderate success. More important is to have an outside the box thinker succeed. GW2 looks to be the hope, maybe TSW. Those games succeeding, as opposed to WoW-influenced themeparks failing, is what will move the genre again.
Yes, and, what's your point?
Welcome to the history of the world.
Yes, everything changes eventually and there will always be people unhappy about it. That doesn't mean that their opinion is invalid and that they have no right to voice it.
@ Pest138
I wouldn't necessarily interpret it that way. Like someone else said, I think old school MMO players are not so much mad about WoW as they are about how it's changed into something more lucrative and less challenging, to appeal to a wider audience, losing its appeal to the people who once saw it as a great step up from EQ and now have little alternative but to play the same game with people they feel are "hand fed", or just move on entirely.
WoW is a solid game, but it's a different game than it used to be, and it's spawned a great number of copycats trying to jump on the money train. Even reading my last sentence back to myself, I get slightly irritated.
I think Blizzard has bred the "entitlement mentality" into the majority of MMO-gamers and we should blame them.
When I played EQ in '99 you were in their world.(Slogan=Your in our world now), and you respected it and didnt get much in return, Alot of Corpse runs etc, but every once in a while you were rewarded with that rare weapon that shined magically. But you had to work hard for that weapon or rare drop over a long period of time.*
* not saying Sony hasnt trivialized their games over the years now either.
I am sick of WoW because ever since WOTLK the patches have been more or less the same. New patch comes with a daily quest hub (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz) a new raid, a new dungeon or two and nothing "new" in terms of features. The only arguably new feature WoW has come up with since WotlK is arguably Rated Battlegrounds. New races are neat and so are new classes, but the game needs new avenues of gameplay rather then just do bgs until you can do arenas, do arenas until your geared,do raids until you can do hard mode raids, do hard mode raids. New gameplay avenues would include: World PvP, Housing, Boats, Mini-games, dynamic content,ect.
Probably the biggest reason that I am sick of it and love to hate on it is because its OLD and is pretty much canibilizing the entire MMO genre.
OK, now I am straying off topic abit but the measuring stick for a successful mmo is not millions of subscribers, before WoW nobody had that and no one else ever has.
Any mmo that holds 250,000 or more active subs is usually considered a success and having said that I realize that it is WoW that has skewed the way we judge which games are successful.
Another problem is that we never get to see actual sub #s measured in a standard format, they all count things differently, damn accountants!
The choices didnt make a difference in my game play. I went out of my way tobe the biggest prick I could be but the republic still loved me all the same.The choices are nice and change some of the sidequests, but for the main storyline dont seem to matter at all
Ya, I was being a bit smarmy, I apologize.
But in all reality gamers have a pretty nice choice of games because of WoW and eventually each of us will find a game to replace it.
I like World of Warcraft well enough. I just knock some of the things it's done that I'm sick of seeing from all of it's spawn since its release.
I think they tell great stories in WoW and it's eccentric mix of fantasy means I still want to see the franchise continue (RTS please).
I just can't play another MMO like it again. 3 years was enough. Something new please.
I used to play MMOs like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee.
Since that is all you gathered from my post, I doubt you will listen now, but I'll try.
I said we don't want to be special, or the majority. We just want a situation in which all parties are represented equally. I don't think this is hard to ask for. The large elephant in the room makes it difficult for other peoples opinions/ideas to be heard.
This is mostly fair, the game took a sharp downward swing after Ulduar. At least MoP is trying to add in stuff like you were asking for. It might be too little too late.
Why knock it?
For a game that makes a bajillion dollars its rarely updated. A game with millions of subs should have lots of different playstyles. It focuses on one - end game PVE, and makes a mockery out of another PvP. Probably my biggest gripe. Its unconscienable for a game this size to have far fewer updates than DDO.
There is no economy in WoW. Outside of enchanting an economy is doesn't exist.
Boring quest that put me to sleep. How did this catch on? How does anyone put up with it? I've reached max level once, and that is only because someone powerleveled me. I would have never lasted. Its not that the world is dull. But its not so vibrant that I can handle spending days in one area running to and fro at a snail's pace.
If one isn't in an exclusive guild one is failing. OK, most games share this problem, sadly.
Healer and tank? No? Go do some boring quest. If you don't have 2 of the least played classes in your group you have no options but to do dumb fedex quest.
The game itself is quite good.
I'm just tired of all the people who come to other game and say:
"wtf, trolls are looking so weird and stupid in this game"
"whisper me"
"where's AH?"
"Talent tree"
"what? warlocks can't leech life? stupid game"
"graphics sucks in this game, compared to wow"
"druid can't become a cat?"
"party"
and i really dislike the cartoon graphics.
This is exactly how I feel.
Yeah, if some of those features were in Cata I would have maybe stuck around. One other thing is all my friends quit over time.