My first Beta weekend I decided to cancel my pre-order.
This last weekend I decided I would not. Nothing noticeable to have changed my mind really. In fact after an hour or so I would just log out and take off for a couple hours. When I would return home I would have the urge again to play further. Not the best feeling an MMO can produce but non the less there it is. I won't list the mistakes I think they made or the positive things.
If they are serious about the longevity of the game and making it better we will know very quickly. If this is the case me investment will have been well worth it. If this isn't the case then I will again have been stabbed in the back by a MMO that just wanted box sales and 3-4 months of solid subs to make it's money. If your gonna play MMO's this is something you just have to except because that just the way things are done now.
##Best SWTOR of 2011 Posted by I_Return - SWTOR - "Forget the UI the characters and all ofhe nitpicking bullshit" "Greatest MMO Ever Created"
##Fail Thread Title of 2011 Originally posted by daveospice "this game looks like crap?"
I loved every minute of the weekend beta, and I'm sad I will have to wait until the end of December to log back in.
Automatically ran to get my pre-purchase. I enjoy MMOs and love SW so this game hit close to the heart, but since I'm a "Red Zoner", I was looking for chance to try it out and see if there really was a lag/latency problem for us before taking the plunge.
The game actually ran soooooo smoothly - can't say I wasn't surprised. Wasn't expecting such low ping (around 150-170). Those who live in my region (South America) will definitely understand where I'm coming from, and will be pleasantly surprised as I was with the game's performance
Definitely try it out for yourselves and draw your own conclusions. In my case, it surpased my expectations.
I am strongly considering cancelling my pre-order and pick it up after 1-2 patch instead.
I played two beta week-end. I first went in thinking I wouldn't like the game, but it was quite fun to play a bounty hunter, the movie style was nice.
However last week-end, despite the game being enjoyable, I found myself feeling not bored, but forced myself to play at times. The cutscenes were becoming tedious to go through. Then what kileld it a bit for me was in a cutscene, I chose the dark side option and my companion got a -40 affection rating and I just wanted to skip the cutscene, when I pressed Esc, I saw that it had erased the whole conversation to be redone.
I got beta invite, but I didn't try it. I removed the mail. Pre-order has been canceled.
When I look at this game I see DC Universe Online. Big hype, nice looking trailers, lots of talk from Dev team... and then fail when it's out.
Not trying to troll. Just what I think about this game now.
I hope Planetside 2 is better.
Funny how the game was promising enough to preorder and since its only gotten better over time, the fact you don't like it now without any reason makes it quite obvious you are trolling. I really don't care, but just wanted to point out the obvious.
Ok, do you want some reasons?
Animations look bad.
Characters look like Pixlar characters, small legs huge chest and big heads. Clone Wars serie look 150 times better.
Combat look boring.
Combat effects.... hate what I see. Star, lights, numbers... too much crap for me. Look like a game for 3 years olds.
And i don't like that the game force you to go here and there and do this and that. The freedom to explore seem to be poor. And when you blow up something to change the world it don't change anything, someone else will do the same 1 min later... and evil or good seem useless.
I don't like the Huttball and the other PvP areas I have seen, seem boring.
I don't like the cloths and the weapons are freaking huge and ulgy. Also the monsters look like poo and the AI seem to be a bit stupid.
Too much fluff in this game. Look too childish for me.
I think Bioware are doing same misstake like Funcom did with AoC. They talk and talk about how great and epic everything is... then it will fail.
Gotcha. So.. you didn't play it in beta, but you're fully willing to judge the s*** out of it?
Makes. Perfect. Sense.
That's like saying I've never met your mom, but I saw a 5 year old picture of her, and she looks like she's bad in bed.
i beta tested. its not perfect but i still liked it. i am still buying and subscribing. its certainly no worse than WOW and i lived that game for a long time. . will re evaluate after 6 months.
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Where the hell did that 120+ million dollars in dev cost go!?
Actually it's over 300 million and most of it went directly to mister George Lucas.
Amidoinitrite?
Dude, unless you work there (which I doubt you do, based upon the fact that you're in the Netherlands) quit spouting out the same old tired crap that has already been proven to be wrong. EA has already stated (on an investor call I think?) that the dev costs were less than 1/2 of that crap that some disgruntled ex-EA employee lied about.
And I seriously doubt that George Lucas saw a penny of the development costs, duh... he'll see royalties sure, but not development costs.
I thought some of the animations for saber fights were very impressive, for instance the times when my character would flick the saber behind their back to block or spin it to deflect a blaster. What get's missed is that at level 6 for instance you don't have a high block skill so it's going to be rare.
I played an agent to 4 and hated it, went and played a consular til 10 learned a lot and then going back to the agent and it just clicked, much more fun and felt right.
Group content is a blast, the conversations and the heroic/flashpoints are very well done. Yes we only got to 15 but a lot of people seem to be judging the game on the starting zone anyway.
I played WoW for nearly 5 years if I had to judge that on the first 10 levels I would have quit after 5 hours, I stuck with it and regretted nothing. (maybe cataclysm but even that had it's moments)
It's an immersive WoW/et al clone with a driving story and smooth graphics. Much better than AoC's beta was at this stage. Far beta than STO was at this point (they owe me a cpu and graphics card) and I found it much more enjoyable than Rifts beta.
Group content is a blast, the conversations and the heroic/flashpoints are very well done. Yes we only got to 15 but a lot of people seem to be judging the game on the starting zone anyway.
After doing Black Talon 10 times and choosing every dialog option, the Conversation VO became mind numbing for me. Eventually everyone's gona see every outcome for the Flash point and space bar through it.
Kind of the same if you roll a Sith warrior twice to get one of each advanced class, most of the content between 1-10 you have already seen before.
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Me, I changed my mind. Just trying to cancel my pre-order. It's rubbish, what a let down.
I know a lot of people that are canceling after testing the beta, it's pretty hilarious because those people were fanbois of the game. That's why it isn't good to have blind faith on something because of the hype, have to test it for yourself.
I changed my mind from rolling smuggler to trooper as my first character. I don't know, maybe my expectations of what it is or what it should be weren't as high as some others. I really enjoyed it.
Glad you like the game man. Never EVER use MMORPG.com forums to decide if you should try a game or not....if the posters here had any say, we would all be bitter trolls with nothing to play.
Totally agree. Just a shame everytime anyone has a valid and informed opinion on here (from over fifteen years of playing mmos from UO onwards) they get called a Troll.
Funny thing is the idiots calling people trolls and classifying anything as trolling don't even realize that trolling is an art form that isn't easily learned from 4chan and other websites. I was there during the inception of the art form known as trolling on Usenet, the majority of these kids attempting to troll aren't respected by real trolls or the actual trolling community. Too much idiots on the internet calling everyone and their mom a troll. There's a difference between an idiot spammer trying to increase his post count and a troll, don't classify them as trolls if you don't know what trolls are. Actual trolls are usually very creative, articulate, not blatantly obvious on their true intentions, and so deceptive that it takes pages upon pages of posts for people to realize that it's a troll post. That is what I classify as trolling.
I got beta invite, but I didn't try it. I removed the mail. Pre-order has been canceled.
When I look at this game I see DC Universe Online. Big hype, nice looking trailers, lots of talk from Dev team... and then fail when it's out.
Not trying to troll. Just what I think about this game now.
I hope Planetside 2 is better.
Funny how the game was promising enough to preorder and since its only gotten better over time, the fact you don't like it now without any reason makes it quite obvious you are trolling. I really don't care, but just wanted to point out the obvious.
Ok, do you want some reasons?
Animations look bad.
Characters look like Pixlar characters, small legs huge chest and big heads. Clone Wars serie look 150 times better.
Combat look boring.
Combat effects.... hate what I see. Star, lights, numbers... too much crap for me. Look like a game for 3 years olds.
And i don't like that the game force you to go here and there and do this and that. The freedom to explore seem to be poor. And when you blow up something to change the world it don't change anything, someone else will do the same 1 min later... and evil or good seem useless.
I don't like the Huttball and the other PvP areas I have seen, seem boring.
I don't like the cloths and the weapons are freaking huge and ulgy. Also the monsters look like poo and the AI seem to be a bit stupid.
Too much fluff in this game. Look too childish for me.
I think Bioware are doing same misstake like Funcom did with AoC. They talk and talk about how great and epic everything is... then it will fail.
Okay, I did play it. The entire 4 day weekend. And I think Mr. Shredder's assessment is pretty accurate. I was very disappointed. You can't go anyplace without having a fight. And enemies attack in fours (4). You can't draw off one at a time they are linked together. The female characters all have the same body with different clothes and hair. There is no freedom to explore. I was hoping for an open world. The ONLY thing I liked about the game was the companion. That was a good idea. I prefer to play solo so my assessment is all based on solo play.
I can't speak for the latest build, but based on the weekend I played last month I also agree with his assessment. The game is a very bland themepark, and simply having lightsabers in the game isn't nerdgasm-inducing enough to hide that. Now, I can't say that I'm looking for a sandbox because I've never played one- never played SWG, never played UO so don't just brush it off as oh, he's another one of those butthurt guys that it isn't a sandbox because that isn't it at all, TOR at it's design is nothing different than I have already played which is why I'd never pay full price for it.
Hell, for the short time I watched my friend play this build it still fails in a co-op aspect just as other poorly thought out themeparks do- players on the same faction have to race each other for spawns and many don't even give a thought to grouping so as not to f*ck over their fellow player, and again with more quest chains so that unless you're at the same point in a particular story, you still have to wait for friends to catch up, or them wait for you- any MMO that is still prohibitive of on the fly grouping in this way is just really, really sad for a AAA game over 10 years into the genre.
If at some point they radically lower box cost (not because I can't afford it but because to me as it is is not worth even $30 for the client then $15 per month as well) then I'd likely play it through for a couple of alts but well after launch once population settles and they've had time to burn through the harshest of the balancings. MMOs at launch are inherently terrible even if they have a smooth, crashless, relatively bug-free launch because of the other players more than the aspects of the game. Once the "OMG it's launch I have to first ALL THE THINGS!" crowd races through the content and either gets to cap and gets into their raid and daily grind, the hardcore PVPers realize that this is yet another game not intended for them, and others that just got sucked in by hype have quit these games become far more tolerable.
I had my first taste of SWTOR in this past weekend's beta play.
It might have gone a lot better if it wasn't for the fact that I forced myself to stop playing Skyrim so that I could "try out" SWTOR...
I'm afraid the transition from being immersed in a totally freeform game that I was thoroughly enjoying, to be being thrust into a standard linear themepark with cartoony graphics was just more than my sensibilities could tolerate
I managed a whole 2 hours in SWTOR, then fled back to the tundra of Skyrim and happily started stalking elks with my bow ! Ah, bliss...
Yes, I know it's a totally unfair comparison, but it made me realise just how bland most "mainstream" mmo's are these days. It will probably be many years yet before an MMO will engage me as thoroughly as the world of Skyrim does. I will wait, ever hopefull
Personnally the game don't run really smooth. Thats the first impression. Then we need to get used to this.
holding mouse right click to do rotation is very bad handled and jerky, we need to learn using WASD/QZSD
I'm happy someone noticed this too!
Adding to this:
Crude animations.
Stupid two first quests.
Not playable in my computer.
Childish questions and answers (first few) in the story.
Same old mobs doing the same old thing, just standing there waiting to be killed.
Dediced me to cancel preorder, or trying to.
Wow, sounds like you didn't even give the game a chance, you have to play a bit more for it to open up. Sounds like you need a new computer if you can't play and the animations were crude. I had no problems on my computer. I played Sith side, Inquisitor specifically , and I absolutely loved it ****SPOILER AHEAD**** when I got to torture a prisioner with my lightning or let him live...hehe I killed him. I also ****MORE SPOILER*** loved that I could send my first companion to eat people if I chose to. Awesomesauce! It's to bad you can't play it, it really is an emmersive game.
To answer the question in the topic, yes I tried it and liked it and plan on playing. Had not their been a beta or trial I wouldn't have considered it. (btw I didn't read any posts other than the thread starters)
I had a lot of fun and can't hardly wait for release.
Me, I changed my mind. Just trying to cancel my pre-order. It's rubbish, what a let down.
This guys sig should tell you everything you need to know.
Is it because he has a GW2 signature? WTF does him having a GW2 sig have anything to do with him posting his dislikes about the game, rofl? Are you serious?
I played Warhammer and AION because I liked the games even with their major flaws, that still doesn't change the fact that the games sucked, even though I like them. I can admit that because I am unbiased and have played nearly every MMO since 1997 UO. I will probably play SWTOR but I won't deny that it's just another themepark/boring MMO with the same over used concepts. Stop denying that it's a subpar MMO at best because it is.
I really enjoyed the flashpoints, they had the best combat and the best storylines that Ive seen so far, but The spaces inbetween the storylines with the douzen mini quests and the long trecks to finish those mini quests; its dull as hell. They made the experience out to be something new and refreshing what with the storyline element, but at the same time they fall into the trap of so many MMO's where your always spending large chunks of time grinding through side quests while doing the main quest, just to aproach the right level to get into the content you actually care about.
The story lines are good, but it doesnt work well with the cookie cutter nature of the rest of the game.
I thought the story added reason to the quests, both side, bonus, and main; however, I'm the type who doesn't skip any cutscenes and actually tries to understand the mission / task - not that you, or anyone who doesn't are bad for choosing to play the way you do.
The grind was definitely made easy for me by the nature of the main quest, which all others are in some way linked. They did well with this in 10+, and I'm not finding myself drawn back at level 25 - and I've been to about four planets already.
I never skipped a cutscene or a diologue, What Im on about is the time it takes inbetween these peices of diologue to get the story rolling again. I spent more time running to GET to the objectives then I did trying to complete them. The longer I stay out of combat, story or buying and training, the less inclined I feel to continue, since I'll be doin the same thing to get back to where I was I feel like Im forcing myself through the long waiting periods to get to the good bits; and how is that any different to WoW's system?
THIS!!!!!
When wil lgame companys understand that time spent doing the menial is wasted time. I want quests that last more then the time it takes to travel to get to it. Nothing kills immersion like being told to: Run halfway across the Map to take care of the Man in Black then when you get there you find he is a Imperial big shot on vacation so you spend 5 mins runnign to him, 30 secs finsihing quest and 5 mins running back. That crap is ludacris.
....ummm, you do know you can teleport, ride speeder, and eventually get your own speeder to free fly right? You don't have to walk...
The first game that i uninstalled after 5 minutes.It looks just horrible,it feels horrible,and MY opinion "this game IS horrible"
If Bioware and EA would pay me 15 $/month to play this game,i would pay them 20 $ just let me NOT to play this.
I am no troll, not at all, but i think this game is not quality in the 21.th century.
Looks like troll....smells like troll...must be troll. Only a troll would look at the game 5 mins and uninstall without experiencing any content, then go to public forums and bash the game without playing it.
I had a blast, was on the fence about pre-order, but I am getting it now after 3 beta weekends.
Stop denying that it's a subpar MMO at best because it is.
Folks, this type of logical deduction cannot be denied. Since you say it sucks, it truly must suck, right? Never mind the millions of people who feel differently, it's YOU that has the true answer to the question.
OK for a beta it ran very smooth. I do realize that we are only a couple weeks from release but I didn't find any game breaking bugs, only experienced lag a couple times, I had one UI freeze where I had to crtl alt del and force the game to close and zero boots to desktop. I played 5 of the classes and seemed to have a decent enough time playing each. But all in all didn't have as great a time as I was expecting. I wasn't planning on getting the game unless I was blown away with it in beta. Like most here I play my game of choice out of habit and am waiting for that next game to just GRAB me and say HEY look what you have been missing....SW:TOR is not that game for me. Guess now I am waiting for TSW and then EQ:NEXT....or the BIG Sandbox game that SOE is supposed to have in Development.
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yup changed my mind, i was gonna wait till jan-feb to pick the game up, but i've decided to by it on launch day.
My first Beta weekend I decided to cancel my pre-order.
This last weekend I decided I would not. Nothing noticeable to have changed my mind really. In fact after an hour or so I would just log out and take off for a couple hours. When I would return home I would have the urge again to play further. Not the best feeling an MMO can produce but non the less there it is. I won't list the mistakes I think they made or the positive things.
If they are serious about the longevity of the game and making it better we will know very quickly. If this is the case me investment will have been well worth it. If this isn't the case then I will again have been stabbed in the back by a MMO that just wanted box sales and 3-4 months of solid subs to make it's money. If your gonna play MMO's this is something you just have to except because that just the way things are done now.
##Best SWTOR of 2011
Posted by I_Return - SWTOR - "Forget the UI the characters and all ofhe nitpicking bullshit" "Greatest MMO Ever Created"
##Fail Thread Title of 2011
Originally posted by daveospice
"this game looks like crap?"
I loved every minute of the weekend beta, and I'm sad I will have to wait until the end of December to log back in.
Automatically ran to get my pre-purchase. I enjoy MMOs and love SW so this game hit close to the heart, but since I'm a "Red Zoner", I was looking for chance to try it out and see if there really was a lag/latency problem for us before taking the plunge.
The game actually ran soooooo smoothly - can't say I wasn't surprised. Wasn't expecting such low ping (around 150-170). Those who live in my region (South America) will definitely understand where I'm coming from, and will be pleasantly surprised as I was with the game's performance
Definitely try it out for yourselves and draw your own conclusions. In my case, it surpased my expectations.
I am strongly considering cancelling my pre-order and pick it up after 1-2 patch instead.
I played two beta week-end. I first went in thinking I wouldn't like the game, but it was quite fun to play a bounty hunter, the movie style was nice.
However last week-end, despite the game being enjoyable, I found myself feeling not bored, but forced myself to play at times. The cutscenes were becoming tedious to go through. Then what kileld it a bit for me was in a cutscene, I chose the dark side option and my companion got a -40 affection rating and I just wanted to skip the cutscene, when I pressed Esc, I saw that it had erased the whole conversation to be redone.
Just about all MMOs have the same base. Its a standard now. SWTOR is just like every other MMO with a Star Wars twist.
I love it, I'm buying it.
^^^^^^ That's hilarious.
i beta tested. its not perfect but i still liked it. i am still buying and subscribing. its certainly no worse than WOW and i lived that game for a long time. . will re evaluate after 6 months.
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Dude, unless you work there (which I doubt you do, based upon the fact that you're in the Netherlands) quit spouting out the same old tired crap that has already been proven to be wrong. EA has already stated (on an investor call I think?) that the dev costs were less than 1/2 of that crap that some disgruntled ex-EA employee lied about.
And I seriously doubt that George Lucas saw a penny of the development costs, duh... he'll see royalties sure, but not development costs.
I changed my mind, from "maybe i'll get it at some point, maybe not" to "HELL YES! Putting an order in on friday (payday)"
Pre-ordered and staying pre-ordered.
I thought some of the animations for saber fights were very impressive, for instance the times when my character would flick the saber behind their back to block or spin it to deflect a blaster. What get's missed is that at level 6 for instance you don't have a high block skill so it's going to be rare.
I played an agent to 4 and hated it, went and played a consular til 10 learned a lot and then going back to the agent and it just clicked, much more fun and felt right.
Group content is a blast, the conversations and the heroic/flashpoints are very well done. Yes we only got to 15 but a lot of people seem to be judging the game on the starting zone anyway.
I played WoW for nearly 5 years if I had to judge that on the first 10 levels I would have quit after 5 hours, I stuck with it and regretted nothing. (maybe cataclysm but even that had it's moments)
It's an immersive WoW/et al clone with a driving story and smooth graphics. Much better than AoC's beta was at this stage. Far beta than STO was at this point (they owe me a cpu and graphics card) and I found it much more enjoyable than Rifts beta.
After doing Black Talon 10 times and choosing every dialog option, the Conversation VO became mind numbing for me. Eventually everyone's gona see every outcome for the Flash point and space bar through it.
Kind of the same if you roll a Sith warrior twice to get one of each advanced class, most of the content between 1-10 you have already seen before.
TSW - AoC - Aion - WOW - EVE - Fallen Earth - Co - Rift - || XNA C# Java Development
I changed my mind from not buying in it....to actually pre order it
Loved everything in this game except one thing wich i guess most ppl would agree with me...wich is the horrible customization
I know a lot of people that are canceling after testing the beta, it's pretty hilarious because those people were fanbois of the game. That's why it isn't good to have blind faith on something because of the hype, have to test it for yourself.
I changed my mind from rolling smuggler to trooper as my first character. I don't know, maybe my expectations of what it is or what it should be weren't as high as some others. I really enjoyed it.
I can't speak for the latest build, but based on the weekend I played last month I also agree with his assessment. The game is a very bland themepark, and simply having lightsabers in the game isn't nerdgasm-inducing enough to hide that. Now, I can't say that I'm looking for a sandbox because I've never played one- never played SWG, never played UO so don't just brush it off as oh, he's another one of those butthurt guys that it isn't a sandbox because that isn't it at all, TOR at it's design is nothing different than I have already played which is why I'd never pay full price for it.
Hell, for the short time I watched my friend play this build it still fails in a co-op aspect just as other poorly thought out themeparks do- players on the same faction have to race each other for spawns and many don't even give a thought to grouping so as not to f*ck over their fellow player, and again with more quest chains so that unless you're at the same point in a particular story, you still have to wait for friends to catch up, or them wait for you- any MMO that is still prohibitive of on the fly grouping in this way is just really, really sad for a AAA game over 10 years into the genre.
If at some point they radically lower box cost (not because I can't afford it but because to me as it is is not worth even $30 for the client then $15 per month as well) then I'd likely play it through for a couple of alts but well after launch once population settles and they've had time to burn through the harshest of the balancings. MMOs at launch are inherently terrible even if they have a smooth, crashless, relatively bug-free launch because of the other players more than the aspects of the game. Once the "OMG it's launch I have to first ALL THE THINGS!" crowd races through the content and either gets to cap and gets into their raid and daily grind, the hardcore PVPers realize that this is yet another game not intended for them, and others that just got sucked in by hype have quit these games become far more tolerable.
Yeah, I changed my mind.
Instead of buying a copy for both my wife and I, I'm going to buy three for myself, and multibox a three man team while she heals on the fourth.
Win.
I had my first taste of SWTOR in this past weekend's beta play.
It might have gone a lot better if it wasn't for the fact that I forced myself to stop playing Skyrim so that I could "try out" SWTOR...
I'm afraid the transition from being immersed in a totally freeform game that I was thoroughly enjoying, to be being thrust into a standard linear themepark with cartoony graphics was just more than my sensibilities could tolerate
I managed a whole 2 hours in SWTOR, then fled back to the tundra of Skyrim and happily started stalking elks with my bow ! Ah, bliss...
Yes, I know it's a totally unfair comparison, but it made me realise just how bland most "mainstream" mmo's are these days. It will probably be many years yet before an MMO will engage me as thoroughly as the world of Skyrim does. I will wait, ever hopefull
To answer the question in the topic, yes I tried it and liked it and plan on playing. Had not their been a beta or trial I wouldn't have considered it. (btw I didn't read any posts other than the thread starters)
I had a lot of fun and can't hardly wait for release.
Is it because he has a GW2 signature? WTF does him having a GW2 sig have anything to do with him posting his dislikes about the game, rofl? Are you serious?
I played Warhammer and AION because I liked the games even with their major flaws, that still doesn't change the fact that the games sucked, even though I like them. I can admit that because I am unbiased and have played nearly every MMO since 1997 UO. I will probably play SWTOR but I won't deny that it's just another themepark/boring MMO with the same over used concepts. Stop denying that it's a subpar MMO at best because it is.
Folks, this type of logical deduction cannot be denied. Since you say it sucks, it truly must suck, right? Never mind the millions of people who feel differently, it's YOU that has the true answer to the question.
Sigh.
OK for a beta it ran very smooth. I do realize that we are only a couple weeks from release but I didn't find any game breaking bugs, only experienced lag a couple times, I had one UI freeze where I had to crtl alt del and force the game to close and zero boots to desktop. I played 5 of the classes and seemed to have a decent enough time playing each. But all in all didn't have as great a time as I was expecting. I wasn't planning on getting the game unless I was blown away with it in beta. Like most here I play my game of choice out of habit and am waiting for that next game to just GRAB me and say HEY look what you have been missing....SW:TOR is not that game for me. Guess now I am waiting for TSW and then EQ:NEXT....or the BIG Sandbox game that SOE is supposed to have in Development.