You are a perfect example of the console generation.
Not sure if you know this but mmo's used to have depth and content. Now there just single player online console games.
I'm 35 years old. I've started playing mmorpgs with text-based games, the one that first sucked me in was full-pvp ArcticMud, and I've played them through all the years, all the different mmorpgs.
Obviously, I'm a member of console generation who doesn't know anything about anything and who's opinion is automatically invalid if it does not agree with your majestic True Opinion(C).
*rolls eyes*
At least in action-based games I don't have to socialize with the like of you other than through the barrel of my gun.
Sounds good you win...
"It would be awesome if you could duel your companion. Then you could solo pvp".--Thanes
If you follow the OP's post history you'll see he follows the standard recipe of posting just to trash The Old Republic while lamenting Guild Wars 2 as the second coming of Christ.
From what I've read of GW2 fans coming over to the SWTOR forums just to bash it is a good "look at the community" moment. Every thread has them. I had planned on buying GW2 to play since it is sub-less but I'm having serious doubts due to the community I've seen going to other forums just to trash the game.
GW2 is definitely going to have a lot of crappy people playing as well. This is, unfortunately, a problem with modern MMO's in general. No one is immune; least of all the MMO's that have the most players and largest "mainstream" appeal (of which WoW, TOR, and GW2 apply).
The best you can do is find a good guild with nice people and play with them.
If you follow the OP's post history you'll see he follows the standard recipe of posting just to trash The Old Republic while lamenting Guild Wars 2 as the second coming of Christ.
From what I've read of GW2 fans coming over to the SWTOR forums just to bash it is a good "look at the community" moment. Every thread has them. I had planned on buying GW2 to play since it is sub-less but I'm having serious doubts due to the community I've seen going to other forums just to trash the game.
I mean really? look at it read the posts, the SWTOR community it self is hating one someones achievent rather than saying hey good job mate and best wishes on what ever you do next.
But instead you get NERD/no life/etc etc hate.
You call that a good community?>
The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true.
The real problem is games are being release now with nothing to do other then lvl. Besides leveling and grinding end game instances for gear theres nothing else to do.
Sad really....
That's because there is nothing to do in mmorpgs, period. There is only one thing worthy of my attention, that's pvp, and action games do it better than mmorpgs.
You are a perfect example of the console generation.
Not sure if you know this but mmo's used to have depth and content. Now there just single player online console games.
What's the "console generation"?.....Consoles have been around since around 1972 (magnavox odyssey)....not as old as the original computer games played on units the size of a small house but certainly longer than the first wide-scale PC distribution around early 1980's. I myself like them both for gaming ..having been fortunate enough to experience the dawn of both.
As for the SW:TOR community..I have had nothing but helpful and generally well-mannered experiences while grouping or otherwise. Sure there is the occasional arsehat in chat but that's what ignore is for.....hell..i'm even an arsehat in chat from time to time. Everyone has their bad days.lol.
Maybe it's due to my time here, but I guess I've built a tolerance to this crap, it really doesn't have an effect on me anymore. Write just about anything here, and the above is the reaction you get.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by sammyeli Originally posted by niceguy3978
Originally posted by Omali
If you follow the OP's post history you'll see he follows the standard recipe of posting just to trash The Old Republic while lamenting Guild Wars 2 as the second coming of Christ.
From what I've read of GW2 fans coming over to the SWTOR forums just to bash it is a good "look at the community" moment. Every thread has them. I had planned on buying GW2 to play since it is sub-less but I'm having serious doubts due to the community I've seen going to other forums just to trash the game. I mean really? look at it read the posts, the SWTOR community it self is hating one someones achievent rather than saying hey good job mate and best wishes on what ever you do next.
But instead you get NERD/no life/etc etc hate.
You call that a good community?>
The same thing applies to the SWToR forums as it does here - small, vocal minority. If you take every isolated incident as representative of the whole community, then you'll never have a good idea of what the community is actually like.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Since EGA started I have barely even been on the boards. I am too busy playing and enjoying the game. Chat in game is extremely civil too. There is actually less of it than beta but mainly because experienced beta players make the majority of early invites.
Most of the boards are filled with whiners who couldn't understand how EGA worked and are bitching about it.
Since EGA started I have barely even been on the boards. I am too busy playing and enjoying the game. Chat in game is extremely civil too. There is actually less of it than beta but mainly because experienced beta players make the majority of early invites.
Most of the boards are filled with whiners who couldn't understand how EGA worked and are bitching about it.
Wait till after the holidays and see if that changes when all the kiddos get their SWTOR present.
People reaching cap in 3 days... well even I could not forsee that.
Now the "No endgame" complains will start.
Let see how that unfolds...
Oh boy. I'll copy and paste what I wrote in another thread: The guy did nothing but quests, skipped all the VO's, knew beforehand where the quests were, what he had to do, the order in which he would do them, had tremendous amounts of experience with the class he was playing, and had a friend to help him out. Hey, just saying.
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Originally posted by BarCrow
What's the "console generation"?.....Consoles have been around since around 1972 (magnavox odyssey)....not as old as the original computer games played on units the size of a small house but certainly longer than the first wide-scale PC distribution around early 1980's. I myself like them both for gaming ..having been fortunate enough to experience the dawn of both.
You haven't lived until you've set up an oscilloscope to play Pong.
That thread resembles hundreds of threads that can be found in pretty much every game's forum section ever. Calling one game's community worse than another is ridiculous as virtually the same exact demographics of people play every game. People of every profession, political ideology, religious belief, educational background, criminal background, maturity level, age, gender, sexual orientation, temperment, and level of sociability (among other traits) all play all of these games.
The entity that has any power at all to make a game's community behave more civilly toward each other--not to be confused with making the community better or worse, since, remember they are still the same players--is the game's developers. They can make a game that rewards positive interaction with other players, a game that stresses cooperation over competition, and provide heavy moderation for reported problems (just to give a few highly generalized examples.) But even their power is extremely limitted. People will be people.
They can make a game that rewards positive interaction with other players, a game that stresses cooperation over competition
..and you will still have the two percenters doing their normal routine. It's what they do.
One of the drawbacks of extended beta tests is that the outliers have all the time in the world to plan their assault for maximum efficiency. But you can't exactly not test the game, we know what the result of minimal testing is.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
That thread resembles hundreds of threads that can be found in pretty much every game's forum section ever. Calling one game's community worse than another is ridiculous as virtually the same exact demographics of people play every game. People of every profession, political ideology, religious belief, educational background, criminal background, maturity level, age, gender, sexual orientation, temperment, and level of sociability (among other traits) all play all of these games. The entity that has any power at all to make a game's community behave more civilly toward each other--not to be confused with making the community better or worse, since, remember they are still the same players--is the game's developers. They can make a game that rewards positive interaction with other players, a game that stresses cooperation over competition, and provide heavy moderation for reported problems (just to give a few highly generalized examples.) But even their power is extremely limitted. People will be people.
Originally posted by Icewhite Originally posted by HomituThey can make a game that rewards positive interaction with other players, a game that stresses cooperation over competition
..and you will still have the two percenters doing their normal routine. It's what they do. One of the drawbacks of extended beta tests is that the outliers have all the time in the world to plan their assault for maximum efficiency. But you can't exactly not test the game, we know what the result of minimal testing is.
I don't see that as an actual problem. It's good to see how well the turbo levelers do their thing. You can compare the turbo levelers in SWToR to the turbo levelers in Rift and WoW. It's like comparing the people who completed the story line in Skyrim in a couple hours. It sounds crazy, but if you compare it to the same people completing the storyline in Fallout 3 in 45 minutes, it looks pretty good.
I would be more interested in the time it takes to complete a character's storyline. In fact, I might start a thread with that question in mind.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I would be more interested in the time it takes to complete a character's storyline. In fact, I might start a thread with that question in mind.
So far I haven't skipped any VO content, currently still in the teens. But I'm not playing it voraciously either, just enjoying the setting.
Too old for the powerleveling speed race; that's for college kids who can stay awake for three days. These old bones would just collapse if I tried anything like that again ;P
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Originally posted by BlackUhuru Originally posted by niceguy3978
Originally posted by BlackUhuru
Level cap during headstart lol... What have mmo's turned into? I thought Rift was bad but this is pathetic...
I dunno, Rift did it a few hours faster, so I guess Rift was first/worse? I still don't see how they did it, I am level 17 after about 18 hours played and the levels are coming slower and slower. Anybody know how many hours played it took? EU player first did it in 2 days 11 hours play time, so about 59 hours total i think is the first 50. Thats just pathetic...
With the rate mmo's are heading there will never be another mmo people play for more then a year. They don't care about game they just wanne be fast lvl cap and they move on going to forums saying how bored they are lol
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No it's because theres nothing to do in any of these games.
Exactly. What can they offer a gamer? Nothing but grind. Only pvp is interesting, and action-type and twitch-based games do it better. For example, I'm playing WoT and TF2 for years and years, and they are as fun as they were first month.
You're really speaking the words of wisdom bro.
I PvP in MMOs when I'm too drunk to manage in FPS. And when I don't remember what I've done last night, I've most like been PvEing.
The first 50 that I read about on here was about 72 hours after the EA launch, I wouldn't mind knowing how many played hours it took him
Fastest levellers I've known turned out to actually be roommates. They'd take turns playing the same character, so they were literally playing 24 hours a day.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
I remember those days when you could actually ask questions in channels in games without getting a learn to read or google it.. type of answer.
In old days it was the pen and paper people that played theese games.. .. bah, enough said. Miss days when people had manners and were helpful
You mean back when MMOs had actual server communities? When people didn't think being part of a MMO community meant "joining a guild" or "hanging with people you know"?
You mean back when most players regarded others (except for the rare, inevitable idiot) as fellow gamers and would actually communicate with them like reasonable human beings, and not like juvenile dipshits who think being as much of a jerk to others as they can makes them the ultimate badass, so long as they have the safe monitor glow of internet anonymity to hide behind?
Yep, I remember those days, too.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
communicate with them like reasonable human beings, and not like juvenile dipshits
Maybe it's the rush to judgement and label that destroyed it, in fact.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
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Sounds good you win...
"It would be awesome if you could duel your companion. Then you could solo pvp".--Thanes
GW2 is definitely going to have a lot of crappy people playing as well. This is, unfortunately, a problem with modern MMO's in general. No one is immune; least of all the MMO's that have the most players and largest "mainstream" appeal (of which WoW, TOR, and GW2 apply).
The best you can do is find a good guild with nice people and play with them.
I mean really? look at it read the posts, the SWTOR community it self is hating one someones achievent rather than saying hey good job mate and best wishes on what ever you do next.
But instead you get NERD/no life/etc etc hate.
You call that a good community?>
The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true.
Carl Sagan-
What's the "console generation"?.....Consoles have been around since around 1972 (magnavox odyssey)....not as old as the original computer games played on units the size of a small house but certainly longer than the first wide-scale PC distribution around early 1980's. I myself like them both for gaming ..having been fortunate enough to experience the dawn of both.
As for the SW:TOR community..I have had nothing but helpful and generally well-mannered experiences while grouping or otherwise. Sure there is the occasional arsehat in chat but that's what ignore is for.....hell..i'm even an arsehat in chat from time to time. Everyone has their bad days.lol.
Maybe it's due to my time here, but I guess I've built a tolerance to this crap, it really doesn't have an effect on me anymore. Write just about anything here, and the above is the reaction you get.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I mean really? look at it read the posts, the SWTOR community it self is hating one someones achievent rather than saying hey good job mate and best wishes on what ever you do next.
But instead you get NERD/no life/etc etc hate.
You call that a good community?>
The same thing applies to the SWToR forums as it does here - small, vocal minority. If you take every isolated incident as representative of the whole community, then you'll never have a good idea of what the community is actually like.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Calm down, Stewie, they're called human beings. They're everywhere.
Exaclty, people simply refuse to remember/acknowlege the same people existed in EQ/UO/Whatever "oldschool" community even MUDS.
The main difference, to me, is that we don't have 100s of different small games and a different forums for each little group within a game.
Forever looking for employment. Life is rather dull without it.
Exactly what I said will happen.
People reaching cap in 3 days... well even I could not forsee that.
Now the "No endgame" complains will start.
Let see how that unfolds...
Extreme vocal minority.
Since EGA started I have barely even been on the boards. I am too busy playing and enjoying the game. Chat in game is extremely civil too. There is actually less of it than beta but mainly because experienced beta players make the majority of early invites.
Most of the boards are filled with whiners who couldn't understand how EGA worked and are bitching about it.
You stay sassy!
Wait till after the holidays and see if that changes when all the kiddos get their SWTOR present.
Oh boy. I'll copy and paste what I wrote in another thread: The guy did nothing but quests, skipped all the VO's, knew beforehand where the quests were, what he had to do, the order in which he would do them, had tremendous amounts of experience with the class he was playing, and had a friend to help him out. Hey, just saying.
You haven't lived until you've set up an oscilloscope to play Pong.
That thread resembles hundreds of threads that can be found in pretty much every game's forum section ever. Calling one game's community worse than another is ridiculous as virtually the same exact demographics of people play every game. People of every profession, political ideology, religious belief, educational background, criminal background, maturity level, age, gender, sexual orientation, temperment, and level of sociability (among other traits) all play all of these games.
The entity that has any power at all to make a game's community behave more civilly toward each other--not to be confused with making the community better or worse, since, remember they are still the same players--is the game's developers. They can make a game that rewards positive interaction with other players, a game that stresses cooperation over competition, and provide heavy moderation for reported problems (just to give a few highly generalized examples.) But even their power is extremely limitted. People will be people.
..and you will still have the two percenters doing their normal routine. It's what they do.
One of the drawbacks of extended beta tests is that the outliers have all the time in the world to plan their assault for maximum efficiency. But you can't exactly not test the game, we know what the result of minimal testing is.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Competition drives me to become better.
One of the drawbacks of extended beta tests is that the outliers have all the time in the world to plan their assault for maximum efficiency. But you can't exactly not test the game, we know what the result of minimal testing is.
I don't see that as an actual problem. It's good to see how well the turbo levelers do their thing. You can compare the turbo levelers in SWToR to the turbo levelers in Rift and WoW. It's like comparing the people who completed the story line in Skyrim in a couple hours. It sounds crazy, but if you compare it to the same people completing the storyline in Fallout 3 in 45 minutes, it looks pretty good.
I would be more interested in the time it takes to complete a character's storyline. In fact, I might start a thread with that question in mind.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
So far I haven't skipped any VO content, currently still in the teens. But I'm not playing it voraciously either, just enjoying the setting.
Too old for the powerleveling speed race; that's for college kids who can stay awake for three days. These old bones would just collapse if I tried anything like that again ;P
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
EU player first did it in 2 days 11 hours play time, so about 59 hours total i think is the first 50.
Thats just pathetic...
With the rate mmo's are heading there will never be another mmo people play for more then a year.
They don't care about game they just wanne be fast lvl cap and they move on going to forums saying how bored they are lol
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You're really speaking the words of wisdom bro.
I PvP in MMOs when I'm too drunk to manage in FPS. And when I don't remember what I've done last night, I've most like been PvEing.
Fastest levellers I've known turned out to actually be roommates. They'd take turns playing the same character, so they were literally playing 24 hours a day.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
You mean back when MMOs had actual server communities? When people didn't think being part of a MMO community meant "joining a guild" or "hanging with people you know"?
You mean back when most players regarded others (except for the rare, inevitable idiot) as fellow gamers and would actually communicate with them like reasonable human beings, and not like juvenile dipshits who think being as much of a jerk to others as they can makes them the ultimate badass, so long as they have the safe monitor glow of internet anonymity to hide behind?
Yep, I remember those days, too.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
$5 that he quits the game in a month realizing he bypassed all the content of the game to max out.
$10 that he blames it 100% on the game and Bioware and takes 0% accountability for himself choosing to rush through it.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Maybe it's the rush to judgement and label that destroyed it, in fact.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.