Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what
it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience
because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in
the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you
playing an MMORPG?"
Yeah, me too. But that's a feature of competition that is completely independant of any point I was trying to make in my post. My post had little to do about the pros and cons of competition.
Sometimes I think we--myself included--get too caught up in scanning posts for things we can refute that we hone in on auxiliary sub-topics at the complete expense of the real points that were being made.
Those posts seemed tame compared to what I read on this site every day.
Seriously.
Considering all the nerd rage and constant whining on these boards day in day out by a bunch of jaded, bitter drama queens, the comments over there are fairly tame.
People reaching cap in 3 days... well even I could not forsee that.
Now the "No endgame" complains will start.
Let see how that unfolds...
End game is to roll new toons and watch the new movies.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
Judging from that thread the TOR community is much better then the MMORPG.com community.
I shudder to think what would happen if he posted it here.
Originally posted by nethaniah
Seriously Farmville? Yeah I think it's great. In a World where half our population is dying of hunger the more fortunate half is spending their time harvesting food that doesn't exist.
I've done the whole server first thing before, it was fun while doing it, but I'll NEVER EVER do it again.
I didn't go on the forums to flex my epeen, not how I'm wired.
I do play in a guild that does go out of it's way to cause Sh1t I let others talk smack while I get on playing the game.
And racing in SwTor is a massive waste a large part of the game is the journey , it just seems pointless much like raging against a game or how others choose to enjoy it.
What's the "console generation"?.....Consoles have been around since around 1972 (magnavox odyssey)....not as old as the original computer games played on units the size of a small house but certainly longer than the first wide-scale PC distribution around early 1980's. I myself like them both for gaming ..having been fortunate enough to experience the dawn of both.
You haven't lived until you've set up an oscilloscope to play Pong.
Seen it done. Alas...not by me. Just the small pong set (think it had 4 games on it..all basically pong.) on a wood panelled old-school television. The kind of TV that looked like a liquor cabinet with tube screen built in.lol. I do remember it having overlays you could put on the tv screen....they were like colored acetate.
Yeah, me too. But that's a feature of competition that is completely independant of any point I was trying to make in my post. My post had little to do about the pros and cons of competition.
Sometimes I think we--myself included--get too caught up in scanning posts for things we can refute that we hone in on auxiliary sub-topics at the complete expense of the real points that were being made.
By no means was it an intended refute to your post. Just a commentary, basically.
Level cap during headstart lol... What have mmo's turned into?
I thought Rift was bad but this is pathetic...
I dunno, Rift did it a few hours faster, so I guess Rift was first/worse? I still don't see how they did it, I am level 17 after about 18 hours played and the levels are coming slower and slower. Anybody know how many hours played it took?
EA BioWare have already put out an announcement of the accusations from beta testers that exploits that were still in at early access are the reasons why people are leveling so fast are being watched. When they made that statement like 2-3 days ago, people were only in their low 30's when the community was claiming 40's. At any rate, the only people this kind of ridiculous gaming affects are those playing on PvP or RP-PvP servers where competition is on steroids.
Doesn't matter how you adjust the leveling speed in an MMO, because the slower you make it, the longer it takes the casuals to max out, while powerleveling gets their first every time.
If you want to stop this from happening, do what Eve Online does and give everyone the same amount of "XP" rate constantly, on or offline.
The real problem is games are being release now with nothing to do other then lvl. Besides leveling and grinding end game instances for gear theres nothing else to do.
Sad really....
Oh my god.... the leveling in swtor IS the game. You follow a story while you level up and get stronger. What you want else ?
If people skip the story fine... its like they would go in a movie, take their iPhone, read the summary of the movie within 2 minutes and go out... nonsence... but if they like it, who cares. Im fine with it, they give their money to the company so I will see more updates, good for me.
SWTOR dont feel like grind for me. And damn 59 hours is still more then I played on skyrim and fallout 3 together.
I find it humerous that people actually think the community would be better behaved than any other MMO..
here's a warning for you now - The Community will be just as bad in GW2, TSW,Planetside 2,Wildstar and just about every other MMO coming out after that.
Calm down, Stewie, they're called human beings. They're everywhere.
Exaclty, people simply refuse to remember/acknowlege the same people existed in EQ/UO/Whatever "oldschool" community even MUDS.
The main difference, to me, is that we don't have 100s of different small games and a different forums for each little group within a game.
I agree, but there should greater community corruption. That's something I fear in MMO gaming, because it remind me of TBC WoW when the corruption hit my server and killed many guilds and friendships.
With the rate mmo's are heading there will never be another mmo people play for more then a year.
That's because most people don't want to play a mmo for more than a year.
For me, for example, two months are more than enough of any game. If I can't max out a character in two months of leisurely playing, I'm just dropping the game half-way. I'm not paying to grind.
Aaaaaand there you have it. The fundamental rift between what an MMO used to be, and what it is now.
See, these people don't even know that a really good, deep MMO doesn't feel much like a grind as it does an ongoing adventure, and playing one for 2+ years was very common. While all games have some grind, some are worth it and some arent, and some feel like mindless grinding, and some feel like "playing a fun game".
I feel bad for people who never really played an MMO prior to WoW. They have no clue how things could be. I guess they could go pick up Skyrim and play that though. While it is a single player RPG, it gives you a bit more of the approximation of depth an MMO should really have.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
I find it humerous that people actually think the community would be better behaved than any other MMO..
here's a warning for you now - The Community will be just as bad in GW2, TSW,Planetside 2,Wildstar and just about every other MMO coming out after that.
I agree with you with all except one of those. TSW will likely scare off a lot of mouth-breathers. It's going to be a bit too cerebral for them.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
I find it humerous that people actually think the community would be better behaved than any other MMO..
here's a warning for you now - The Community will be just as bad in GW2, TSW,Planetside 2,Wildstar and just about every other MMO coming out after that.
I agree with you with all except one of those. TSW will likely scare off a lot of mouth-breathers. It's going to be a bit too cerebral for them.
Thats why I'm completely fine if TSW has under 300.000 players, may it have more and live long and prosper, but dear god I hope it stays niché.
Judging from the activity of the sub-forums here, there is not really any fear though.
Even though this isn't Star Wars related I just wanted to comment on those who mentioned TF 2 as being shallow.
PVP fps games are only as shallow as your skill level dictates. Sure anyone can pick up any of the classes and play, but for example to master a spy and routinely pull off something like 10 backstabs and several turret saps for each of your deaths takes a very high skill level and time to develop.
I would be more interested in the time it takes to complete a character's storyline. In fact, I might start a thread with that question in mind.
So far I haven't skipped any VO content, currently still in the teens. But I'm not playing it voraciously either, just enjoying the setting.
Too old for the powerleveling speed race; that's for college kids who can stay awake for three days. These old bones would just collapse if I tried anything like that again ;P
I'm with you there, though my bones could probably stand it
I'm enjoying TOR for what it is and wasn't expecting it to be anything it's not. My hardcore days are well over and I don't miss 'em. I've been gaming too long to get massively drawn into any game, and I'm old enough to appreciate the value of time. TOR's a great game but not as good as walking up a remote hill on a bright winter's day.
If you follow the OP's post history you'll see he follows the standard recipe of posting just to trash The Old Republic while lamenting Guild Wars 2 as the second coming of Christ.
From what I've read of GW2 fans coming over to the SWTOR forums just to bash it is a good "look at the community" moment. Every thread has them. I had planned on buying GW2 to play since it is sub-less but I'm having serious doubts due to the community I've seen going to other forums just to trash the game.
I mean really? look at it read the posts, the SWTOR community it self is hating one someones achievent rather than saying hey good job mate and best wishes on what ever you do next.
But instead you get NERD/no life/etc etc hate.
You call that a good community?>
Then no game since the mid 2000s has had a good community. I remember the LOTRO forums when the first level capped people hit in a week and the forums were outraged that they weren't playing it right, etc. Rift, same thing, Champions, same thing, GW2 will likely have the same thing if their comments in threads over the last 6 months are any indication, every game has some form of this.
Edit: I will tend to agree with the argument that others have made in other games and that is the forum community doesn't represent the ingame community. At least it hasn't in any of the games I've played over the last few years. If the forum community was truley indicitive of the ingame community, I would have quit mmos a long time ago.
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Don't think this is just the wow/tor community. It's the gamer community.
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Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
Yeah, me too. But that's a feature of competition that is completely independant of any point I was trying to make in my post. My post had little to do about the pros and cons of competition.
Sometimes I think we--myself included--get too caught up in scanning posts for things we can refute that we hone in on auxiliary sub-topics at the complete expense of the real points that were being made.
Seriously.
Considering all the nerd rage and constant whining on these boards day in day out by a bunch of jaded, bitter drama queens, the comments over there are fairly tame.
End game is to roll new toons and watch the new movies.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
Judging from that thread the TOR community is much better then the MMORPG.com community.
I shudder to think what would happen if he posted it here.
Fixed that for you.
I've done the whole server first thing before, it was fun while doing it, but I'll NEVER EVER do it again.
I didn't go on the forums to flex my epeen, not how I'm wired.
I do play in a guild that does go out of it's way to cause Sh1t I let others talk smack while I get on playing the game.
And racing in SwTor is a massive waste a large part of the game is the journey , it just seems pointless much like raging against a game or how others choose to enjoy it.
Going that fast, he just skipped all the conversations.
Joke's on him, paying full price for half a game xD. Oh well. I'm taking my sweet time (and enjoying it).
EDIT: That said, I don't see how this guy represents the community.
Seen it done. Alas...not by me. Just the small pong set (think it had 4 games on it..all basically pong.) on a wood panelled old-school television. The kind of TV that looked like a liquor cabinet with tube screen built in.lol. I do remember it having overlays you could put on the tv screen....they were like colored acetate.
By no means was it an intended refute to your post. Just a commentary, basically.
Oh my god.... the leveling in swtor IS the game. You follow a story while you level up and get stronger. What you want else ?
If people skip the story fine... its like they would go in a movie, take their iPhone, read the summary of the movie within 2 minutes and go out... nonsence... but if they like it, who cares. Im fine with it, they give their money to the company so I will see more updates, good for me.
SWTOR dont feel like grind for me. And damn 59 hours is still more then I played on skyrim and fallout 3 together.
I find it humerous that people actually think the community would be better behaved than any other MMO..
here's a warning for you now - The Community will be just as bad in GW2, TSW,Planetside 2,Wildstar and just about every other MMO coming out after that.
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Exaclty, people simply refuse to remember/acknowlege the same people existed in EQ/UO/Whatever "oldschool" community even MUDS.
The main difference, to me, is that we don't have 100s of different small games and a different forums for each little group within a game.
I agree, but there should greater community corruption. That's something I fear in MMO gaming, because it remind me of TBC WoW when the corruption hit my server and killed many guilds and friendships.Philosophy of MMO Game Design
Aaaaaand there you have it. The fundamental rift between what an MMO used to be, and what it is now.
See, these people don't even know that a really good, deep MMO doesn't feel much like a grind as it does an ongoing adventure, and playing one for 2+ years was very common. While all games have some grind, some are worth it and some arent, and some feel like mindless grinding, and some feel like "playing a fun game".
I feel bad for people who never really played an MMO prior to WoW. They have no clue how things could be. I guess they could go pick up Skyrim and play that though. While it is a single player RPG, it gives you a bit more of the approximation of depth an MMO should really have.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
I agree with you with all except one of those. TSW will likely scare off a lot of mouth-breathers. It's going to be a bit too cerebral for them.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
Thats why I'm completely fine if TSW has under 300.000 players, may it have more and live long and prosper, but dear god I hope it stays niché.
Judging from the activity of the sub-forums here, there is not really any fear though.
Even though this isn't Star Wars related I just wanted to comment on those who mentioned TF 2 as being shallow.
PVP fps games are only as shallow as your skill level dictates. Sure anyone can pick up any of the classes and play, but for example to master a spy and routinely pull off something like 10 backstabs and several turret saps for each of your deaths takes a very high skill level and time to develop.
I'm with you there, though my bones could probably stand it
I'm enjoying TOR for what it is and wasn't expecting it to be anything it's not. My hardcore days are well over and I don't miss 'em. I've been gaming too long to get massively drawn into any game, and I'm old enough to appreciate the value of time. TOR's a great game but not as good as walking up a remote hill on a bright winter's day.
Then no game since the mid 2000s has had a good community. I remember the LOTRO forums when the first level capped people hit in a week and the forums were outraged that they weren't playing it right, etc. Rift, same thing, Champions, same thing, GW2 will likely have the same thing if their comments in threads over the last 6 months are any indication, every game has some form of this.
Edit: I will tend to agree with the argument that others have made in other games and that is the forum community doesn't represent the ingame community. At least it hasn't in any of the games I've played over the last few years. If the forum community was truley indicitive of the ingame community, I would have quit mmos a long time ago.