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Then should I start listing things that small niche groups of people enjoy that most of you would never touch with a 10' poll?
Does that make that niche group of people more "right" than most of us?
If 5 people hate Lady gaga and 1000 people love her then should those 1000 people hang their heads because 5 people have a differening opinion?
If that's the case then you might support plato's assertion that the only group of people who know best are the philosophers and they should be raised to kings because they know better.
of course, some think this mode of thinking led to totalitarianism.
Truth of the matter is that most of us will at times be a niche and at times fall into the masses.
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These are legitmate concerns that should be discussed. However, that is not what the OP is talking about. When someone constantly posts things about the makeup of the game(it isn't a sandbox), the features (I hate voiceovers) and everything else we have already known which can never be changed, then yeah, they have a clear case of a troubled person that needs to move on.
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Dear OP, if you have a good time playing, you and your guild: well good on you, just continue, I sincerely hope you enjoy the game.
Meanwhile, some of us are less lucky if you can call it luck. Ask some of the Australians for instance.
And while it is easy to be negative
, with all big statements of the companies: the general "hooray" and everything is perfect stories, things are sometimes not as it should be.
If I get a screen which says the digital pc-download is "sold out", well obviously this is not what it should be at a launch day.
For anything else being marked as "whining" about certain aspect or mechanic of the game: most of the players will stay silent, in fact for one communicative player there are ten which you will never hear or read. If companies want to get an idea of what the playerbase is thinking it will start with a survey of possible issues.
If there are some stupid remarks, or it is obvious somebody is out of line, ignore it.
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Isn't that one of the prerequisites for being a fanboy?
Alot of us got told TOR was the second coming of Jesus, Ultima Online, and DAoC so we are interested to see how it is doing! Also it would kill WoW and every other themepark on day 1 and have the most perfect launch ever.
Thing is, a large part of the active posters on mmorpg.com are ex SWG players. Its a historic thing - before my time actually - but apparently they all came here to talk about SWG going down the pan during the CU and NGE debacle and are a part of the reason mmorpg.com grew into the success it is today.
This is a problem for SWTOR because SWG fans are generally sandbox fans and so hate on themepark games, are pissed that SWG has closed down, are still pissed about CU and NGE, and see SWTOR as replacing SWG with something they dont like.
Add to this the large contingent of GW2 fans that just wanna hate on SWTOR because GW2 is releasing soon and wanna big up GW2, and you have a rather skewed version of reality.....
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The hate threads and negative reviews concerning SWTOR are due to the fact that a lot of people would like to see a new sandbox style game come out and are taking it out on the latest themepark. SWTOR is a pretty well done themepark, if that is what you are into. If people don't attack the themepark style of game then developers won't know that there are people who would like to see something different. There is a big group of people who enjoy sandbox games but don't have many options to choose from. Anyone who says there isn't a market for sandbox or hardcore style of games is either trolling or misinformed. It's the same type of thing we see people posting about concerning "western gamers" Western Gamers apparently want easy games, from what I have heard. Which is, of course, bullshit. Lots of western gamers enjoy challenge, sandbox style, and more hardcore styles of games with nasty death penalties. If you don't believe me then maybe check the sales for Dark Souls. It has sold a ton of copies in the West, despite the belief that Western Gamers are some sort of mentally challenged people who need to be spoonfed victory. Of course there are these types of gamers in the west, but there are plenty of gamers who grew up playing nintendo and sega consoles and moved on to games like UO. These gamers long for a challenging game and a sandbox world. They are only attacking their natural enemy, the themepark mmo. SWTOR is just a big target right now as the latest release. It's nothing personal.
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I will play no more MMORPGs until somethign good comes out!
LOL we know better what makes a game truly good or not ?
In your case, I have to agree with the OP. You have to wake up and face reality.
Your opinion, my opinion, anyone else's opinion, are just that, opinions.
Wow lol Well here is my 2 cents. I like al kinds of games , I like all kinds of styles (primarily sandbox), I like alot of companies (not so much actishit or failcom)
I guess at the end of the day for SWTOR I am loving it oddly enough. Now I could explain myself or blah blah but I will just say that I am loving it and if it bothers you that I am loving it to fucking bad for you eh?
If you like try an experiment. Take someone you know or your child or wife and sit there look them in their eye and tell them they must be stupid cause they like something you don't lol. See what happens. Now try it with a stranger. See what happens. I predict the people that you know will tolerate you being a dipshit and the strangers will punch your teeth in.
How many peopole do you know in the forums you post in?
Who did you get told that by? And why were you so gullible to believe it? Or are you just highly exaggerating to make a point?
Here is what is pissing people off. You see threads like this
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=65771
The guy list like 14 different legitamate complaints. Every comment after that is telling he is lying, then you have sites like MMORPG saying the biggest issue is mirroring or the UI?
TOR is getting a free pass right now. I wish to god you people would hold TOR's ass to the fire like you did with Rift. If Rift was missing that stuff you guys had pitch forks and were in the streets.
OP, the tone of your post makes you sound very thin skinned and sensitive.
Also, your kind of post never works. You're not the first person on the internet to complain about complainers.
This must be your first time on the internet.
Some advice...
Keep playing the game you enjoy and stop worrying about what other people think of it.
If you're having fun, how does someone else's opinion factor into that?
I find it down right mystifying that people who are annoyed by negativity on forums keep reading it!
But neither does niche.
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@OP: Reason that you will normally see more bad comments about games than good is that players who love playing won't post much while doing so. Another one is that generally people tend to post about things they dislike than about things they like.
Some people even state that according to the bad posts on the official forum etc. SWTOR won't last long, but seem to miss the point that judging by the same criteria, WoW (and many other MMOs) would have died years ago
I haven't played an MMO since... Aion?
Anyway, people were saying the same thing OP is saying for Aion within its first week. Look how that ended up.
To be clear here Aion went down the crapper thanks to NCSoft not giving the game a local dev team and they sat on content and never communicated basically anything ever.
I doubt Bioware will be like that, but they could always suprise. They are proving to be useless on fixing the pve and pvp exploits...btw guy you can turn your weeklies in at end game multiple times. <---pretty sure that deserves a hotfix, but no mention of it
True, and also for most, if not all, major releases in these last couple of years, WAR, AoC, LotRO, AION, RIFT...all very "pretty please and with sugar on top" but we all know what happened next.
That doesnt mean it will happen to SWTOR, and i hope it is successful, but we have to considerer the possibility that this game may take a nose dive in the next couple of weeks. Too many upcoming games in the line. If SWTOR not good enough to handle them, it will eventually break down the sub base, and the funniest thing is, if that happens it will probably not be because of SWTOR itself...
It's the old "I don't know anybody who voted for X" syndrome and it really cuts both ways...
Essentialy people tend to congregate with others who have like tastes and intrests....especialy in venues dedicated to a particular interest or hobby which have developed a certain culture or slant. So that often leads them to fail to recognize that their impression of the "general consensus" on any particular issue can be highly localized to the environment where they hang out.
If you went over to the TOR boards or a TOR fansite you'd probably have alot of people express an opinion to the effect of...
"EVE....I can't see how anyone could possibly like playing that?" or "Lineage.....I can't see how it keeps any players what-so-ever?" even though both games have pretty healthy subscriber bases.
All you are really seeing is people express thier personal preferences.......and then sometimes make the mistake of trying to ascribe those opinions to the general populace.
I actualy like MMORPG because it draws in people with very diverse tastes in gaming.....and it doesn't seem to try to censor or bury expressions of those tastes.
Personaly, it's difficult for me to comprehend why people like/are interested in TOR (just like it's difficult for me to comprehend why anyone likes liverwurst) since very little of what it offers has much draw for my tastes....and some of what it offers, I actively dislike. However, I do recognize that ALOT of gamers with different tastes then me do seem to enjoy/are interested in TOR.
It is possible, but from what Im seeing while actually in game and the feedback among the guild, no one has any intention of leaving any time soon...except those who perhaps powerlevel to 50 by hitting the space bar and then wonder why there are not more levels.
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agreed, and whats really sad about all of this is that there are newbies who come to these forums who might actually want to learn about the game, first time MMOers...and then they read some of these crap threads and get turned off..which is probably the intention of several folks here.
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@OP - It's not worth the aggravation, mate. You can't win with these people, I mean look at the logic that's been deployed on this thread alone - a lot of people like Lady Gaga, a lot of people like TOR, therefore proving that TOR is rubbish.
Generally speaking, people will only believe whatever confirms their prejudices. It's always been so but the internet age amplifies it.
I'm all for people expressing their opinions. But if you're posting something negative in every thread you can find, it becomes less of an opinion and more of a protest. Which is not ok. If you want people to respect your opinion, then respect the fact that we heard you the first time.
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I actually love tor have no intention of leaving anytime soon, im intend to play tor till its dying day. i love it that much the more i play it the more i love it.
That said this thread really isnt gonna accomplish anything, the reason they bash tor is one they dont like that others are having fun in a game when they cant seem to enjjoy any game on the market,
They dont want u to have fun in games if they cant , and theye xpect gw 2 to reinvent every aspect of mmos and as such all other games suck compared to a game they know next to nothing about.
It doesnt really matter if gw 2 is a great game or not, if gw 2 doesnt reinvent mmo gaming for these folks they will flame it also, unfortunalty its not gonna totally reinvent the mmo genre and so after that releases u will see those same ffoks flaming tor flaming gw 2
its a sad cycle they cant enjoy games so they dont want anyone else to either.
ok defenders of the light...do not think i have seen one positive thing listed about TOR..you are all just happily bashing people who do not like the game...
Want to list all the GREAT things that this game has please? so those mmo newbies can see the great features before spending their money..i mean if i want to buy something i do not look at just the good things..if it breaks down in 2 weeks then i would like to know that..
Seen tons of valid negative aspects but really not many positive ones.......so please list them and why they are so great?