Pretty good. I wonder how many people bought the game though. I expected that number to be much, much higher.
Hmmm, since people have to subscribe to get their free 30 days (after grace period) that would mean that there are over 1M people that have registered their purchase. Some could be putting off starting to play until after the holidays, and there could be another boost after new year. But with the inevitable drop in subs after the first free month coming, these numbers aren't as great as they were undoubtedly hoping for. They're shooting for a minimum of 1M paying subscribers and they're obviously not there yet.
After the first month they could still announce 2M registered users, even if by then 1M players cancelled their sub. The title is a bit misleading. Even the people that registered, but did not manage to set up a sub (yet?), can be counted as registered.
no one has paid the 15 bucks a month yet so 1 million subs have not been reached. come back and tell us this news after the 30 days free period. 1 million is not a great number for one of the most anticipated mmo's of al time, at this rate the game might end up with about 500k subs in 3 to 6 months time.
no one has paid the 15 bucks a month yet so 1 million subs have not been reached. come back and tell us this news after the 30 days free period. 1 million is not a great number for one of the most anticipated mmo's of al time, at this rate the game might end up with about 500k subs in 3 to 6 months time.
The statement above is not a true statement. Not everyone registered their product code using a credit card. Game Time Cards were used too.
I prefer using game time cards. There are 3 GameStop stores in my local area and I purchased the last two SWTOR Game Time Cards they had on the 22 Dec.
So I, and others have paid for 90 days already.
"Don't corpse-camp that idea. Its never gonna rez" Bladezz (The Guild)
saying 10 million sub or 100 million in the free zone part?(first time card plus the free month?)how silly !this doesnt mean fuck all since it is a requirement to play the game!come back wit number in say 4 month!then we ll have better sub number!right now the only number they have reliable is sale number!
no one has paid the 15 bucks a month yet so 1 million subs have not been reached. come back and tell us this news after the 30 days free period. 1 million is not a great number for one of the most anticipated mmo's of al time, at this rate the game might end up with about 500k subs in 3 to 6 months time.
1 Million is a great number, consider all the MMO's on the market and the hundreds of F2P.
If you don't like a game don't play it, and quit running to MMORPG.com to trash it.
oh i dont doubt they have a lot of player on usa server alone 2/3 of them are heavy or more (50% are full with queu)that is for usa alone!so it probably is 2 million +
So they have more than a million players right now..? Its still early release though, so they will no doubt increase for a few weeks but still...
I thought they would get 3 million sales the first month, and this looks like they might not reach that before the free month is up and people will start dropping out.
Maybe they will reach 2 millions before 20 january though..? They will no doubt let us know if that happens, so we'll have to wait and see. And wait for 2-3 months down the road to see how the retention will go.
According to xfire Star Wars has about 50% of WoWs number of xfire player playing the game.
(of course xfire will be happily dismissed by certain games fans as inaccurate and unrepresentative either for this case)
But just assuming it is accurate and representative (it almost hurts)
Then we have to ignore increased activity due to the recent release of SW (which is inflating the counted daily active player without increasing the actual playerbase)
That would put Star Wars at about 50% of WoW daily active playerbase. Either WoW lost another million player and its down to 2 Million player in the West or Star Wars already exceeded the 1 Million mark by large margin.
Then why would EA not announce it?
Maybe they learned from previous releases about the obsession of both the gamer and media about the "numbers game". By disclosing the fact they already have much more than 1 Millioon they do not raise the bar unneccesary on their own. "More than 1 Million" is already fine enough to announce and safe to tell it is certainly a popular game. Now as for any game in the retentionphase kicks in after the first months. At this point player either expect a new announcement about "numbers" or they already expect them to have dropped below the first announced "record".
Now at this point the bar is still set at 1 Million because thats what they last announced. If they where at 2 Millions and dropped back to 1 Million and announced 1 Million player the reception is not "hurr massive loss" no the reception is "stable playbase even after one month". The last official number is linked to the most recent, whatever inbetween happend is almost irrelevant. The masses simply are as gullible and easily to manipulate. The bars of success are however raised to impossible scales and trends which simply do not happen without tricks and deceit.You just have to respect the grace time until player expect new "numbers" which differs from the last perception the PR could establish. Better off if they could fake a minor "increase" from 1M to (unnannounced i.e. 2M then back to) 1.1M or similar. Then the perception amongst non-player and potential buyer is actually "growth" no matter if the game is actually declining like all games after time.
The third or fourth month can be overbridged with a major contentupdate and ad campaigns, drawing back player whom already consumed the contents in the first months and didnt resubscribe and drawing new player overall with new hype about "that successfull game with stable playerbase". If they remain stable again and able to announce "stable numbers" for atleast half a year before anything else happens this can easily boost this game into the position of the "new big thing" instead of the "last big one besides WoW" without even announcing any new "numbers" anymore for the rest of the year and further.
That would be just one way to approach it. There are others, but several reasons exist why they would not disclose their biggest record as their new trumphcard even if they reached it. The fact no one takes large launchrecords too seriously anymore anyways is one of them.
PS. And please for gods sake stop comparing "shipped boxes" of WAR of which thousands never even got sold to TORs registered player, and then go bashing the earlier announcement about TORs numbers of "shipped" boxes as inflated hype. As if one isnt dumb enough, the second is borderline retarded. I dont want to protect SWTOR but this is just dumb...
I find it very hard to believe that a company would hide 1 milion copies sold. Even more when it would mean a 100% increase in sales.
According to xfire Star Wars has about 50% of WoWs number of xfire player playing the game.
(of course xfire will be happily dismissed by certain games fans as inaccurate and unrepresentative either for this case)
But just assuming it is accurate and representative (it almost hurts)
Then we have to ignore increased activity due to the recent release of SW (which is inflating the counted daily active player without increasing the actual playerbase)
That would put Star Wars at about 50% of WoW daily active playerbase. Either WoW lost another million player and its down to 2 Million player in the West or Star Wars already exceeded the 1 Million mark by large margin.
Then why would EA not announce it?
Maybe they learned from previous releases about the obsession of both the gamer and media about the "numbers game". By disclosing the fact they already have much more than 1 Millioon they do not raise the bar unneccesary on their own. "More than 1 Million" is already fine enough to announce and safe to tell it is certainly a popular game. Now as for any game in the retentionphase kicks in after the first months. At this point player either expect a new announcement about "numbers" or they already expect them to have dropped below the first announced "record".
Now at this point the bar is still set at 1 Million because thats what they last announced. If they where at 2 Millions and dropped back to 1 Million and announced 1 Million player the reception is not "hurr massive loss" no the reception is "stable playbase even after one month". The last official number is linked to the most recent, whatever inbetween happend is almost irrelevant. The masses simply are as gullible and easily to manipulate. The bars of success are however raised to impossible scales and trends which simply do not happen without tricks and deceit.You just have to respect the grace time until player expect new "numbers" which differs from the last perception the PR could establish. Better off if they could fake a minor "increase" from 1M to (unnannounced i.e. 2M then back to) 1.1M or similar. Then the perception amongst non-player and potential buyer is actually "growth" no matter if the game is actually declining like all games after time.
The third or fourth month can be overbridged with a major contentupdate and ad campaigns, drawing back player whom already consumed the contents in the first months and didnt resubscribe and drawing new player overall with new hype about "that successfull game with stable playerbase". If they remain stable again and able to announce "stable numbers" for atleast half a year before anything else happens this can easily boost this game into the position of the "new big thing" instead of the "last big one besides WoW" without even announcing any new "numbers" anymore for the rest of the year and further.
That would be just one way to approach it. There are others, but several reasons exist why they would not disclose their biggest record as their new trumphcard even if they reached it. The fact no one takes large launchrecords too seriously anymore anyways is one of them.
PS. And please for gods sake stop comparing "shipped boxes" of WAR of which thousands never even got sold to TORs registered player, and then go bashing the earlier announcement about TORs numbers of "shipped" boxes as inflated hype. As if one isnt dumb enough, the second is borderline retarded. I dont want to protect SWTOR but this is just dumb...
I think the doubters will be in for a huge shock in month two . This is the fastest selling mmo in history . The majority of people seem to like it so retention rate will be pretty high . The thing is it shows no signs of slowing down in terms of sales and there could easily be two million before the first month is out . Even if some of them leave the frenzy around this game is such now they will replaced by even more players in month two . I think this is great for mmos . It shows Warcraft can be taken on and in fact ToR has beaten some records set by it already .
Someone on Ventrilo last night said they may be close to 2 million subs, we'll have to wait and see.
SOMEONE on ventrilo said they MAY be close to 2M subs? Uhm, ok.
Haters will hate, if/when SWTOR reaches two million how does that affect you?
People need to stop throwing around the term "hater" so much. I would think JoeyMMO's comment was more indicative of a "what proof is that" than a "you lie! TOR sucks" because seriously, if someone on the street tells you the Cubs may be the best hockey players ever to throw a football, it doesn't mean anything in reality. My response to someone randomly spouting possible facts would probably be "Uhm, ok" too. lol
Someone on Ventrilo last night said they may be close to 2 million subs, we'll have to wait and see.
SOMEONE on ventrilo said they MAY be close to 2M subs? Uhm, ok.
Haters will hate, if/when SWTOR reaches two million how does that affect you?
It doesn't in the slightest way affect me. I suppose you find the above post very informative and a good reason to think that they'll hit 2M any day now. Ok fine, but you don't have to call me a hater for not being impressed by vague statements like that.
People need to stop throwing around the term "hater" so much.
I agree but I must say it goes both ways, the term fanboi is just as annoying.
Like statements like this as an example.
"I've seen far more rabid Star Wars fanbois carrying on that GW2 sucks without even having played it."
As if only TOR loyalists are doing this?
Or this one.
"I don't know anyone that prefers VO's over solid gameplay", and people disagreed, then I'd have said they're just being fanbois or idiots. Some of them already are"
How does someones preference in a game make them a fanboi or an idiot?
Just showing a few examples nothing more, I won't go into who wrote them.
if people stopped throwing around one insult maybe just maybe others would stop with the other.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Big difference. Fanboi has more contextual relevance than "hater" and always will, even if there's a 0.01% chance of the person in quesiton actually being a fanboi. Hater suggests there's some kind of deep-rooted emotional involvement that has led to hatred of a game or that game's followers, and then there's something seriously wrong with the person/people in question, and I'm giving the majority of forum goers the benefit of the doubt that they're not that serious about games. Fans or fanbois are typically ill-informed about things that are not their preferred game or franchise, but it doesn't necessarily make them raging sociopaths. If I put down a game, that doesn't mean I hate it, nor does it mean the sole purpose in doing so is because I'm a fan of another game. But it certainly lends more credence to me being a fan than a hater.
As for the post where I made the comment in the first place, JoeyMMO was called a hater for a stupid reason. It was just one example.
Considering all the hype surrounding this game and they've only got 1 million subs and thats not even after the first 30 days of free play are over?
Age of Conan sold over a million boxes, and had 900k subs AFTER the first month had passed, and that dwindled quickly. Rift has been over a million subs for a while now, and thats a completely new IP and a game that was hated on from every possible angle. The WOW fanbois came out of the woodwork with an organized hate campaign against it. It was like the MMO equivalent of Israel in the 6 day war.
Anybody who thinks this game is going to *grow* subs in the next 2-3 months have their heads firmly seated in their asses. The only way that will be possible is if Bioware manages to release a HUGE amount of endgame content, and within the next 2-3 weeks at that, and even then its suspect.
With people reaching max level in 60-70 hours, (100-110 or so if you're anal and read every bit of story line), they're going to exhaust what little content the game has in far less than a month. Even the most casual of players is going to take out the current content in 1-2 months max.
The reality is you have a bunch of A. SW Fans buying the game, and B. Biodrones. Most of these people aren't even MMO people and will get fed up with the few MMO mechanics the game has in it. They'll blast through the storyline, maybe make 1 or 2 alts, blast through those storylines, and then realize they dont want to pay $15/mo and /quit.
I'll be surprised if this game retains 500k subs by March.
Edit: BTW, it seems like every page in every thread on this forum has some imbecile making the "These people havent even played it, so their comments are meaningless" or some variation of that post.
Do you people not realize that this isnt food we're talking about. Its not a piece of candy. I don't need to partake in a little bit of anal gangbang sex in order to determine that i'm not going to enjoy it. I don't need to watch the entire twilight series to know that i won't enjoy it. Im so sick of that card getting pulled in threads. Its a completely bunk argument and has no bearing on the discussion.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
Considering all the hype surrounding this game and they've only got 1 million subs and thats not even after the first 30 days of free play are over?
Age of Conan sold over a million boxes, and had 900k subs AFTER the first month had passed, and that dwindled quickly. Rift has been over a million subs for a while now, and thats a completely new IP and a game that was hated on from every possible angle. The WOW fanbois came out of the woodwork with an organized hate campaign against it. It was like the MMO equivalent of Israel in the 6 day war.
Anybody who thinks this game is going to *grow* subs in the next 2-3 months have their heads firmly seated in their asses. The only way that will be possible is if Bioware manages to release a HUGE amount of endgame content, and within the next 2-3 weeks at that, and even then its suspect.
With people reaching max level in 60-70 hours, (100-110 or so if you're anal and read every bit of story line), they're going to exhaust what little content the game has in far less than a month. Even the most casual of players is going to take out the current content in 1-2 months max.
The reality is you have a bunch of A. SW Fans buying the game, and B. Biodrones. Most of these people aren't even MMO people and will get fed up with the few MMO mechanics the game has in it. They'll blast through the storyline, maybe make 1 or 2 alts, blast through those storylines, and then realize they dont want to pay $15/mo and /quit.
I'll be surprised if this game retains 500k subs by March.
Edit: BTW, it seems like every page in every thread on this forum has some imbecile making the "These people havent even played it, so their comments are meaningless" or some variation of that post.
Do you people not realize that this isnt food we're talking about. Its not a piece of candy. I don't need to partake in a little bit of anal gangbang sex in order to determine that i'm not going to enjoy it. I don't need to watch the entire twilight series to know that i won't enjoy it. Im so sick of that card getting pulled in threads. Its a completely bunk argument and has no bearing on the discussion.
ha very true.. while im enjoying my playtime for now I really don't see it lasting more than a month or so for me.. just way to much deja vu going on... to bad though was really hoping this one would be the next big one for me..
I think the doubters will be in for a huge shock in month two . This is the fastest selling mmo in history . The majority of people seem to like it so retention rate will be pretty high . The thing is it shows no signs of slowing down in terms of sales and there could easily be two million before the first month is out . Even if some of them leave the frenzy around this game is such now they will replaced by even more players in month two . I think this is great for mmos . It shows Warcraft can be taken on and in fact ToR has beaten some records set by it already .
Both Warhammer and AoC had cleared over million subscribers in the first 7 days of their launch. Based on the best figures I can find SWTOR is actually 4th.
Someone on Ventrilo last night said they may be close to 2 million subs, we'll have to wait and see.
SOMEONE on ventrilo said they MAY be close to 2M subs? Uhm, ok.
Haters will hate, if/when SWTOR reaches two million how does that affect you?
People need to stop throwing around the term "hater" so much. I would think JoeyMMO's comment was more indicative of a "what proof is that" than a "you lie! TOR sucks" because seriously, if someone on the street tells you the Cubs may be the best hockey players ever to throw a football, it doesn't mean anything in reality. My response to someone randomly spouting possible facts would probably be "Uhm, ok" too. lol
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Hmmm, since people have to subscribe to get their free 30 days (after grace period) that would mean that there are over 1M people that have registered their purchase. Some could be putting off starting to play until after the holidays, and there could be another boost after new year. But with the inevitable drop in subs after the first free month coming, these numbers aren't as great as they were undoubtedly hoping for. They're shooting for a minimum of 1M paying subscribers and they're obviously not there yet.
After the first month they could still announce 2M registered users, even if by then 1M players cancelled their sub. The title is a bit misleading. Even the people that registered, but did not manage to set up a sub (yet?), can be counted as registered.
no one has paid the 15 bucks a month yet so 1 million subs have not been reached. come back and tell us this news after the 30 days free period. 1 million is not a great number for one of the most anticipated mmo's of al time, at this rate the game might end up with about 500k subs in 3 to 6 months time.
Wow! One Million?! They only have 3 million more units to sell to match Minecraft, lol...a game developed by one dude.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/minecraft-beta-cracks-4-million-6344310
The statement above is not a true statement. Not everyone registered their product code using a credit card. Game Time Cards were used too.
I prefer using game time cards. There are 3 GameStop stores in my local area and I purchased the last two SWTOR Game Time Cards they had on the 22 Dec.
So I, and others have paid for 90 days already.
"Don't corpse-camp that idea. Its never gonna rez"
Bladezz (The Guild)
saying 10 million sub or 100 million in the free zone part?(first time card plus the free month?)how silly !this doesnt mean fuck all since it is a requirement to play the game!come back wit number in say 4 month!then we ll have better sub number!right now the only number they have reliable is sale number!
SOMEONE on ventrilo said they MAY be close to 2M subs? Uhm, ok.
1 Million is a great number, consider all the MMO's on the market and the hundreds of F2P.
If you don't like a game don't play it, and quit running to MMORPG.com to trash it.
Haters will hate, if/when SWTOR reaches two million how does that affect you?
If you don't like a game don't play it, and quit running to MMORPG.com to trash it.
oh i dont doubt they have a lot of player on usa server alone 2/3 of them are heavy or more (50% are full with queu)that is for usa alone!so it probably is 2 million +
So they have more than a million players right now..? Its still early release though, so they will no doubt increase for a few weeks but still...
I thought they would get 3 million sales the first month, and this looks like they might not reach that before the free month is up and people will start dropping out.
Maybe they will reach 2 millions before 20 january though..? They will no doubt let us know if that happens, so we'll have to wait and see. And wait for 2-3 months down the road to see how the retention will go.
Rift hit a million box sales in the first month then by month 3 they merged servers...
We really have to wait a bit to see how SWTOR pans out in the future guys, this pattern has been seen before over and over in the MMO industry..
I am not sure what all the clamoring is about
I find it very hard to believe that a company would hide 1 milion copies sold. Even more when it would mean a 100% increase in sales.
An honest review of SW:TOR 6/10 (Danny Wojcicki)
What is xfire?
I read somewhere that they had 2 mil for beta
EA won't be hiding anything... they are a public company.
Whether or not that would violate any legal reporting requirements, they would get pounded by investors the moment they seemed less than forthcoming.
TOR is a big deal.
I think the doubters will be in for a huge shock in month two . This is the fastest selling mmo in history . The majority of people seem to like it so retention rate will be pretty high . The thing is it shows no signs of slowing down in terms of sales and there could easily be two million before the first month is out . Even if some of them leave the frenzy around this game is such now they will replaced by even more players in month two . I think this is great for mmos . It shows Warcraft can be taken on and in fact ToR has beaten some records set by it already .
People need to stop throwing around the term "hater" so much. I would think JoeyMMO's comment was more indicative of a "what proof is that" than a "you lie! TOR sucks" because seriously, if someone on the street tells you the Cubs may be the best hockey players ever to throw a football, it doesn't mean anything in reality. My response to someone randomly spouting possible facts would probably be "Uhm, ok" too. lol
It doesn't in the slightest way affect me. I suppose you find the above post very informative and a good reason to think that they'll hit 2M any day now. Ok fine, but you don't have to call me a hater for not being impressed by vague statements like that.
I agree but I must say it goes both ways, the term fanboi is just as annoying.
Like statements like this as an example.
"I've seen far more rabid Star Wars fanbois carrying on that GW2 sucks without even having played it."
As if only TOR loyalists are doing this?
Or this one.
"I don't know anyone that prefers VO's over solid gameplay", and people disagreed, then I'd have said they're just being fanbois or idiots. Some of them already are"
How does someones preference in a game make them a fanboi or an idiot?
Just showing a few examples nothing more, I won't go into who wrote them.
if people stopped throwing around one insult maybe just maybe others would stop with the other.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Big difference. Fanboi has more contextual relevance than "hater" and always will, even if there's a 0.01% chance of the person in quesiton actually being a fanboi. Hater suggests there's some kind of deep-rooted emotional involvement that has led to hatred of a game or that game's followers, and then there's something seriously wrong with the person/people in question, and I'm giving the majority of forum goers the benefit of the doubt that they're not that serious about games. Fans or fanbois are typically ill-informed about things that are not their preferred game or franchise, but it doesn't necessarily make them raging sociopaths. If I put down a game, that doesn't mean I hate it, nor does it mean the sole purpose in doing so is because I'm a fan of another game. But it certainly lends more credence to me being a fan than a hater.
As for the post where I made the comment in the first place, JoeyMMO was called a hater for a stupid reason. It was just one example.
Considering all the hype surrounding this game and they've only got 1 million subs and thats not even after the first 30 days of free play are over?
Age of Conan sold over a million boxes, and had 900k subs AFTER the first month had passed, and that dwindled quickly. Rift has been over a million subs for a while now, and thats a completely new IP and a game that was hated on from every possible angle. The WOW fanbois came out of the woodwork with an organized hate campaign against it. It was like the MMO equivalent of Israel in the 6 day war.
Anybody who thinks this game is going to *grow* subs in the next 2-3 months have their heads firmly seated in their asses. The only way that will be possible is if Bioware manages to release a HUGE amount of endgame content, and within the next 2-3 weeks at that, and even then its suspect.
With people reaching max level in 60-70 hours, (100-110 or so if you're anal and read every bit of story line), they're going to exhaust what little content the game has in far less than a month. Even the most casual of players is going to take out the current content in 1-2 months max.
The reality is you have a bunch of A. SW Fans buying the game, and B. Biodrones. Most of these people aren't even MMO people and will get fed up with the few MMO mechanics the game has in it. They'll blast through the storyline, maybe make 1 or 2 alts, blast through those storylines, and then realize they dont want to pay $15/mo and /quit.
I'll be surprised if this game retains 500k subs by March.
Edit: BTW, it seems like every page in every thread on this forum has some imbecile making the "These people havent even played it, so their comments are meaningless" or some variation of that post.
Do you people not realize that this isnt food we're talking about. Its not a piece of candy. I don't need to partake in a little bit of anal gangbang sex in order to determine that i'm not going to enjoy it. I don't need to watch the entire twilight series to know that i won't enjoy it. Im so sick of that card getting pulled in threads. Its a completely bunk argument and has no bearing on the discussion.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
ha very true.. while im enjoying my playtime for now I really don't see it lasting more than a month or so for me.. just way to much deja vu going on... to bad though was really hoping this one would be the next big one for me..
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
Both Warhammer and AoC had cleared over million subscribers in the first 7 days of their launch. Based on the best figures I can find SWTOR is actually 4th.
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